The death of Bhutto and the election in the usa who will benefit from this

[Give me liberty]

I saw a fox news report that

This attack proves rudy is strong on his 9/11 stand and issue
and also it could help hillary on the dem side.


but i was thinking, what will happen on jan 3, the iowa caucuse? what will happen to ron paul? i am still postive about jan 3 but with this attack on Bhutto. I am a bit

worried :(

[Mark Rushmore]

It'll likely help some "strong on terror" candidate at the expense of Ron Paul UNLESS THE CAMPAIGN CAN PLACE a concise and erudite press release in the hands of the media explaining how this validates his POV and shows others to be living in the past.

I'm not holding my breath...

[JAlli41]

I don't get how it helps Rudy, it just emphasizes the lunacy of middle eastern politics

[synthetic]

It'll be another case of the old media vs. the new media. The old is going to sell the story as terrorism and invoke 9/11 and the usual fear tactics. The new media's job is to educate people on what really happened to Bhutto and why it happened. That includes the politics behind it and how the US plays a role in standing up puppet dictators like Musharraf.

[pickfair]

I think it'll prove very beneficial for Hillary Clinton. Don't know about the Republicans, though...

[Johnnybags]

prop up dictators and cause unrest.

[Micahyah]

it may make more people interested in policing the hornet's nest of middle eastern politics, if the campaign can effectively spin it as such.

[drulay]

It should be prime time to talk about why we shouldn't meddle in other's business. This hit has an "intelligence agency" reeking on it. Bhutto shared many of the extremists views and blamed other attempted attacks against the military dictator, whom I might add the extremists hate - he is secular.

So, why do we back him? Why do we send so much in aid to them? They do have nukes.... Hmmmm... A secular military dictator, whom al qaida hates, but he has nukes. That's like Sadam on steroids.

Unfortunately at the expense of (what I"ve read at least) a great humans life should we point out with efficiency why our foreign policy needs to change so much. She stood for freedom over there. We aided her enemy.

:(

[speciallyblend]

i wouldnt be surprised to see our government and cia has knowledge of this attack but they were never taught how to deliver the info.

[Ernest]

I know I will be called names but the timing of this and the effect it could have on our own elections i.e IA & NH is just an incredible coincidence.

[LibertyEagle]

it may make more people interested in policing the hornet's nest of middle eastern politics, if the campaign can effectively spin it as such.

It doesn't require spin. All it requires is the truth. I hope the campaign gets on this.

[Dorfsmith]

Average guy on the street sees the middle east as one giant group of the same people. I think the impression the average person will get is that the war on terror is failing. I think Ron Paul will benefit a little but for the most part I don't think this event will have any impact on the election.

[Oliver]

I know I will be called names but the timing of this and the effect it could have on our own elections i.e IA & NH is just an incredible coincidence.

NAMES! :mad:

[fortilite]

Obama, he is the only interventionist who doesn't kiss Pakistan's ass.

Although Paul can benefit too. My dad was just saying 2 days ago how 'sane' the Pakistani government is (he is a Ron Paul opponent). I kept explaining to him that Pakistan isn't any better than Iran, and Pakistan hasn't started a nuclear war.

[user]

You all know that Pakistan isn't usually considered to be in the Middle East, right? Not that it will matter to most Americans.

[Liberty]

No nation building.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_pakistan;_ylt=AgDnda9CTAuJ0Pv4u0vaXkKs0NUE

[Gimpster]

Not sure if this hurts or helps anyone.

It seems like everyone forgot why Bhutto and her husband got the boot from Pakistan. They were corrupt as all sin.

[fortilite]

This is an excellent talking point for us and why we shouldn't be so close to Pakistan.

1) Musharraf kills Bhutto
2) Most of our aid money gets 'diverted'
3) Musharraf doesn't do much of anything to stop Taliban from crossing his border.

People need to realize that she was killed by our ally. Her blood is partly on our hands. Don't word it like that, obviously, because that makes people defensive. But she was killed by our ally.

[JMO]

This in my opinion will help the pro war candidates. The reason is they will prey on the fear of terrorist being one step away from a nuclear weapon. I think the borderline afraid voters will be more likely to move to a pro war candidate because of this.

[Liberty Star]

Military dictatorship creates an environment that increases radicalism, we need to reevaluate our support for military dictator there.



The New York Times then cited the results of the latest poll conducted by the International Republican Institute (IRI) that showed Musharraf's approval ratings in Pakistan as being lower even than those of Bush in the United States. 67 percent of Pakistanis want him to resign immediately whereas 70 percent believe his party does not deserve re-election. Benazir Bhutto's Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), with 30 percent support, emerges as the single largest party in Pakistan's multi-party system. Conservative former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's Pakistan Muslim League-N (PML-N) is in second position with 25 percent support. Most people would prefer a Bhutto-Sharif coalition to rule the country rather then the Musharraf-Bhutto alliance favored in Washington.


Bhutto's supporters at the hospital exploded in anger, smashing the glass door at the main entrance of the emergency unit. Others burst into tears. One man with a flag of Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party tied around his head was beating his chest.

No one claimed responsibility for the attack. But some of Bhutto's supporters at the hospital began chanting, "Killer, Killer, Musharraf," referring to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, Bhutto's main political opponent. A few began stoning cars outside.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/husain-haqqani/will-bush-endorse-musharr_b_76967.html

[ionlyknowy]

I know I will be called names but the timing of this and the effect it could have on our own elections i.e IA & NH is just an incredible coincidence.

yeah guys, we really should have called this one...

I know I was thinking something would go down right before election time..

[ionlyknowy]

all we have to do is prove that Musharaf was involved in some sort of way, or the US was...

Then we can make the connection between US and Musharaf by way of billions in aid.

Then say that the people of Pakistan know this and now hate the US more...

Then this validates RP's message of nonintervention

[ChooseLiberty]

Ever see comics try to do a Middle East accent? They use an Indian accent. Especially the black comics. Draw your own conclusion.


Average guy on the street sees the middle east as one giant group of the same people. I think the impression the average person will get is that the war on terror is failing. I think Ron Paul will benefit a little but for the most part I don't think this event will have any impact on the election.

[jumpyg1258]

The media is trying to sway voters to campaigns such as Hillarys and Rudys by its typical fear mongering tactics. They will claim that terrorism will strike us if you do not vote for one of these people. Already saw some of it this morning on MSNBC.

[pickfair]

The media is trying to sway voters to campaigns such as Hillarys and Rudys by its typical fear mongering tactics. They will claim that terrorism will strike us if you do not vote for one of these people. Already saw some of it this morning on MSNBC.

Seeing plenty on Fox. It's very bad news... the last thing we need is another overclouding.

[luckystars]

By the Pakistani people Bhutto was seen as a corrupt dictator. The top three candidates in Pakistan are all the same, just like our top tier.

[MsDoodahs]

I was just about to ask how FoxNewsPorn was spinning this. Thanks.

[Dorfsmith]

Seeing plenty on Fox. It's very bad news... the last thing we need is another overclouding.

But the people who watch Fox News and believe it are pretty brainwashed anyway.

[LynnB]

The media is trying to sway voters to campaigns such as Hillarys and Rudys by its typical fear mongering tactics. They will claim that terrorism will strike us if you do not vote for one of these people. Already saw some of it this morning on MSNBC.

Yes, Blitzer is already spinning an Al Qaeda liink even tho the scroll beneath says her supporters were screaming musharref killed her

[paulitics]

By the Pakistani people Bhutto was seen as a corrupt dictator.

Source?

[Thomas Paine]

The neocons have made an alliance with the military dictatorship in Pakistan. In exchange for not pushing for democracy and letting the military dictatorship remain in charge of Pakistan, the military dictatorship must not let the Jihadists get their hands on Pakistan's nuclear weapons. Bhutto's anticipated popular election was going to upset this convenient arrangement. Hence, I would not be surprised if years later someone publishes the equivalent of the Pentagon Papers that disclose how Bhutto was taken out by the Pakistani military with a wink and a nod from the neocons in charge of the White House and the CIA.

By the way, the above arrangement explains why Bin Laden has not been captured even though he is known to be hiding in NW Pakistan. The Pakistani military extracted a quid pro quo from the Bush White House whereby Bin Laden would remain free in NW Pakistan in exchange for the Pakistani military remaining in firm control of the country and its nuclear arsenal. This way the Pakistani military can assuage the Jihadists' hatred for the Pakistani military by letting Bin Laden live in exchange for the Jihadists murdering any advocates of democracy in Pakistan. In essence, an axis of power has developed between the Neocons within the Beltway, the Pakistani military, and the Pakistani Jihadists.

[Give me liberty]

The neocons have made an alliance with the military dictatorship in Pakistan. In exchange for not pushing for democracy and letting the military dictatorship remain in charge of Pakistan, the military dictatorship must not let the Jihadists get their hands on Pakistan's nuclear weapons. Bhutto's anticipated popular election was going to upset this convenient arrangement. Hence, I would not be surprised if years later someone publishes the equivalent of the Pentagon Papers that disclose how Bhutto was taken out by the Pakistani military with a wink and a nod from the neocons in charge of the White House and the CIA.

By the way, the above arrangement explains why Bin Laden has not been captured even though he is known to be hiding in NW Pakistan. The Pakistani military extracted a quid pro quo from the Bush White House whereby Bin Laden would remain free in NW Pakistan in exchange for the Pakistani military remaining in firm control of the country and its nuclear arsenal. This way the Pakistani military can assuage the Jihadists' hatred for the Pakistani military by letting Bin Laden live in exchange for the Jihadists murdering any advocates of democracy in Pakistan. In essence, an axis of power has developed between the Neocons within the Beltway, the Pakistani military, and the Pakistani Jihadists.


But what if bin laden has already been dead for qutie some time?


You know i dont buy the new so called bin laden video or its audio.

[Thomas Paine]

But what if bin laden has already been dead for qutie some time?


You know i dont buy the new so called bin laden video or its audio.

What would be the benefit of not disclosing Bin Laden's death???

[dougkeenan]

What would be the benefit of not disclosing Bin Laden's death???

boogeyman in perpetuity

[luckystars]

Source?

My in laws born in Pakistan