Help! My mother-in-law is voting for Huckabee...

[paul_v]

I just got this e-mail from my mother-in-law:

"Huckabee Talks about Christmas Ad and Jesus in Iowa - The Brody File: David Brody Blog - CBN News https://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/290420.aspx


This clip wins my vote! lbp kg"



I responded to her:

"Be careful...just because he's a Christian doesn't make him a good leader. "


Now my mother-in-law is a devout Christian (as am I) so I know she's probably going to ask what makes him a bad leader. Could you all give me some ammo to respond with?


Thanks!

[rory096]

Tell her he raised taxes $500 million dollars while in office, vastly increased spending, was cited multiple times by his state's Ethics Commission for ethics violations, and his son tortures dogs.

[TheConstitutionLives]

I just got this e-mail from my mother-in-law:

"Huckabee Talks about Christmas Ad and Jesus in Iowa - The Brody File: David Brody Blog - CBN News https://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/290420.aspx


This clip wins my vote! lbp kg"



I responded to her:

"Be careful...just because he's a Christian doesn't make him a good leader. "


Now my mother-in-law is a devout Christian (as am I) so I know she's probably going to ask what makes him a bad leader. Could you all give me some ammo to respond with?


Thanks!

Send her this for starters.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59047

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I just got this e-mail from my mother-in-law:

"Huckabee Talks about Christmas Ad and Jesus in Iowa - The Brody File: David Brody Blog - CBN News https://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/290420.aspx


This clip wins my vote! lbp kg"



I responded to her:

"Be careful...just because he's a Christian doesn't make him a good leader. "


Now my mother-in-law is a devout Christian (as am I) so I know she's probably going to ask what makes him a bad leader. Could you all give me some ammo to respond with?


Thanks!

Just because he SAYS he's a Christian doesn't make him one either. I am a follower of Christ. I also firmly believe Huckabee is a pawn from the pitt of hell. he's a fascist and could become tomorrow's Hitler.

.

[daikonv]

you could link the judicial review's 10 most corrupt politicians. Talk about the various scandals he has been involved with and how he would lose very easily to the democrats in 2008. Also, talk about Dr. Paul's faith and his views on abortion if that would help.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

And... http://www.ChristiansForRonPaul.com

[TheConstitutionLives]

Send her Paul's "Statement of Faith". he wrote it a few months ago. It's online somewhere. Just google it and mail her a copy.

[drexhex]

And... http://www.ChristianForRonPaul.com

add the 's' to Christian:
www.ChristiansForRonPaul.com

Also, feel free to send her my site with videos of his big stances:
www.RonPaulStances.com

[kushaze]

Thats the worst possible scenario. If she absolutely doesn't want to vote for Ron Paul than tell her anyone but Huckabee. Huckabee winning the nomination is my biggest fear for what could happen to America if he wins. If she is open to Ron Paul, keep trying to change her mind to vote for Ron Paul.

[jordie]

And... http://www.ChristianForRonPaul.com

Add an 's' into there... http://www.christiansforronpaul.com/

[rory096]

www.taxhikemike.com

[JordanL]

I just got this e-mail from my mother-in-law:

"Huckabee Talks about Christmas Ad and Jesus in Iowa - The Brody File: David Brody Blog - CBN News https://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/290420.aspx


This clip wins my vote! lbp kg"



I responded to her:

"Be careful...just because he's a Christian doesn't make him a good leader. "


Now my mother-in-law is a devout Christian (as am I) so I know she's probably going to ask what makes him a bad leader. Could you all give me some ammo to respond with?


Thanks!

When dealing with a Christian who is voting for Huckabee because of the Christian thing, it's almost always because they want the "god guy". So the mentality in convincing them is not always "he's a bad leader" as "why vote for the God guy" or "what makes Huck the God guy".

I would use this point as my starting place:

Huckabee has said numerous times that he supports things like national bans on smoking, or other things that he deems without virtue. But the greatest achievement God ever had was creating the free will that he endowed us with, and that our nation was founded on. Things like national bans on smoking seem like a small thing, but it reveals a mentality of the person advocating it that is very un-God-like. God calls us to lead by example, and yes, point out what is wrong. But God is also very clear that he intends each of us to be able to make our own mistakes, because that choice is the only thing that makes coming to God willingly such a righteous and spiritual thing.

Things like national bans on choices that are poor, but don't directly affect someone elses choice, like smoking, show complete disrespect for the free will and trust in that will that God gave us. God didn't just give us that free will, he put his trust in us to be strong enough to make such decisions on our own.

In Romans, (chapter 12 I think), Paul talks about the arrogance of challenging your government when it doesn't ask something unGodly of you. Paul explains that people are only in positions of power because God allows them to be, and that as long as any request is not unGodly, disregard for it is like saying you know better than God does.

Passing laws like this says to me that Huckabee isn't the "God guy", he's the "God" guy. Huckabee, through his policies, his character with his family and his tenure in Arkansaw, tell me that he doesn't allow God's will to flourish, he demands that God's will be spread as he sees it. The flaw of course being that it's very difficult for people to see God's will for themselves, let alone an entire society.

Huckabee is misguided. He thinks he is being compassionate and Christian, but in reality he works to deprive people of the most important thing the Creator gave us: the power to make our mistakes and discover the beauty and grace of the Lord for ourselves.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I would rather have 8 years of Clinton than 4 years of Huckabee.

[drexhex]

I would rather have 8 years of Clinton than 4 years of Huckabee.

Clinton gets in, I get out. I don't want to be around when the next depression hits.

(she won't leave Iraq and will get Universal Healthcare... how the FUCK is she going to pay for all that? Hello 70% taxes.)

[eloquensanity]

Huckabee is misguided. He thinks he is being compassionate and Christian, but in reality he works to deprive people of the most important thing the Creator gave us: the power to make our mistakes and discover the beauty and grace of the Lord for ourselves.

I think he falls into this category

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[Alan84]

You're mother reminds me of my mother and though we have significant disagreements, we're both Christian and not in the least to admit that we are. However, I would always try to be utmost respectful when trying to talk to her about these things.

Maybe ask her the question, would you vote for a "devoted" but nonetheless sincere Christian who espoused communism rather than an atheist who believed in the principles and policies (with the voting record to prove it) that your mother totally agrees with... I'm not saying that Huckabee is a communist or that RP is an atheist (he's a regular church attending Christian as well), but the point of the question is that the entire focus should be on the positions of the candidate.

If your mother can agree to that, then you can start talking about the positions since it seems she is willing to support anyone who looks, seems, talks like a Christian - which can be a big mistake, if you don't do the research.

[literatim]

Government cannot do a Church's job. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=65022&page=2)
"Pro-Life" canididates should put up or shut up. (http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin415.htm)
More reasons to beware of Mike Huckabee. (http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin414.htm)
Christians need to beware of Mike Huckabee. (http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin411.htm)
Christians should support Constitutional government. (http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin410.htm)

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwina.htm

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Chuck Baldwin Endorsement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW_sp3Hymac

Pat Robertson on Ron Paul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opEM8tKdOLM

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[ronpaulfan]

If she smokes, have her watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFLNWAtD7zA

[rory096]

Clinton gets in, I get out. I don't want to be around when the next depression hits.

(she won't leave Iraq and will get Universal Healthcare... how the FUCK is she going to pay for all that? Hello 70% taxes.)
Unfortunately, in today's modern society, the whole world will be adversely affected by her socialist policies :(

[paul_v]

Thanks for the responses, all. These are great! I'll let you know what happens.

[bbachtung]

If she's into the whole Christmas is under attack by secular leftists schtick, then send her to Ron Paul's 2003 column, "Christmas in Secular America" (sensitive atheists beware; I am a not-so-sensitive atheist / agnostic):



Christmas in Secular America

As we celebrate another Yuletide season, it’s hard not to notice that Christmas in America simply doesn’t feel the same anymore. Although an overwhelming majority of Americans celebrate Christmas, and those who don’t celebrate it overwhelmingly accept and respect our nation’s Christmas traditions, a certain shared public sentiment slowly has disappeared. The Christmas spirit, marked by a wonderful feeling of goodwill among men, is in danger of being lost in the ongoing war against religion.

Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.

This growing bias explains why many of our wonderful Christmas traditions have been lost. Christmas pageants and plays, including Handel’s Messiah, have been banned from schools and community halls. Nativity scenes have been ordered removed from town squares, and even criticized as offensive when placed on private church lawns. Office Christmas parties have become taboo, replaced by colorless seasonal parties to ensure no employees feel threatened by a “hostile environment.” Even wholly non-religious decorations featuring Santa Claus, snowmen, and the like have been called into question as Christmas symbols that might cause discomfort. Earlier this month, firemen near Chicago reluctantly removed Christmas decorations from their firehouse after a complaint by some embittered busybody. Most noticeably, however, the once commonplace refrain of “Merry Christmas” has been replaced by the vague, ubiquitous “Happy Holidays.” But what holiday? Is Christmas some kind of secret, a word that cannot be uttered in public? Why have we allowed the secularists to intimidate us into downplaying our most cherished and meaningful Christian celebration?

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=337

[coffeewithchess]

www.TaxHikeMike.com
Under Mike Huckabee more taxes were raised in 10 years than under Bill Clinton.
We are $9 trillion in debt and he doesn't have a record of cutting spending...only increasing taxes and increasing spending.
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin415.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin411.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58629
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58430

[Troyhand]

Listen for those four magic words..

"Don't Taze me, Son!"

Nah, too drastic.

[mortepa]

This is what I sent to my Huckabee supporting friend:

I have to disagree xxxxx,

I think Huckabee is a GREAT man, but he is not presidential material. After researching him more and more, I have come to the decision that even Thompson and Mitt are more favorable to me than Huckabee (for president, not as a person).

Huckabee wants to put forth his agenda based on his own personal beliefs instead of basing his decisions on the constitution and law. Prime example is: Huckabee pushed for a pardon of a person convicted of rape. He wrote to the person in prison: "My desire is that you be released from prison." However, the best he could do is get the person released early. This person left to another state, where he sexually assulted and murdered someone. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...t-murderer/?hp Huckabee has always been known to be easily influenced by working him over emotionally and religiously, and these rape pardons are a prime example.

Government spending went up 60% under his term due in part to several tax hikes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLOC4krZI4
www.taxhikemike.com

His tax record is one of his biggest problems: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316496,00.html

Huckabee raised taxes more during his 10 year term as governor than Clinton did during his 12 year as governor.

He wants to further erode our personal freedoms and liberties. For example, a national smoking ban.

He is not experienced or knowledgeable on foreign policy. When asked quesitons during the formal debates and interviews about todays foreign happenings, his responses have either been to joke about it or to throw out rhetoric. For example, Huckabee didn't know about what was in the NIE report 31 hours after it was released. (the National Intelligence Estimate report that Iran was not working on producing nukes) http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1207/Huckabee_not_aware_of_NIE_report_on_Iran.html

Huckabee was able to recover from a financial responsibility grade of F, and graduated office with a D from the CATO institute.

A babtist minister that lies. One of his most publicized issues is that he will not admit to past mistakes and lies about it, blatently. For example, the rapist pardons. He claims the judge released the rapist. True, but Huckabee was the one "pressuring" the judge to do this...by the judges own statements. There are many other lesser incidents that you can find if you do some heavy research on Huck.

Huckabee has been approached by the CFR and is now known as the "CFR's new baby". Council of Foreign Relations is an elitist group of political thugs that push their agendas on our nation and others. Other members are Hillary, Bill, Obama, Biden, Bush, Cheney, Fred Thompson, and hundreds of other politicians that are influenced by this group.

Ron vs Mike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q5tgbbTTuw
On the "fair tax": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS3BxggBTa8

There is only ONE straight shooter in this election, and he has steadily been gaining ground. Unlike EVERY other candidate, his record PROVES what he says is how he will act as president. There is a reason only ONE candidate that has support signs out there right now...and grassroots supporters having rally's for. Even in liberal Madison! This is only the beginning too...

This is the local Ron Paul grassroots group on University Ave. Last night. It is amazing the amount of honks, waves, and whistles we got. Truly amazing...
http://photos2.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/5/7/c/6/highres_2842470.jpeg
http://photos2.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/5/7/c/7/highres_2842471.jpeg
http://photos2.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/5/7/c/8/highres_2842472.jpeg

This is gonna be one exciting Election! I hope I didn't sound over the edge, because I tend to go overboard on this stuff. xxxxx, I realize your email probably didn't deserve a long response like this...it's my political diarrhea I guess... ;-)

Your friend,
xxxx

[RonPaulVolunteer]

This is what I sent to my Huckabee supporting friend:

I have to disagree xxxxx,

Your friend,
xxxx

Good stuff, though I strongly disagree about him being a GREAT person.

.

[JohnnyWrath]

My mother-in-law is voting for Huckabee...

You're going to have to put her down.








disclaimer, j/k please don't....never know what strangers on message boards might do. LOL

[JAM824A]

Thanks for the responses, all. These are great! I'll let you know what happens.

Is "He's a dirty, lying sack of shit" too mean...?

[derdy]

When dealing with a Christian who is voting for Huckabee because of the Christian thing, it's almost always because they want the "god guy". So the mentality in convincing them is not always "he's a bad leader" as "why vote for the God guy" or "what makes Huck the God guy".

I would use this point as my starting place:

Huckabee has said numerous times that he supports things like national bans on smoking, or other things that he deems without virtue. But the greatest achievement God ever had was creating the free will that he endowed us with, and that our nation was founded on. Things like national bans on smoking seem like a small thing, but it reveals a mentality of the person advocating it that is very un-God-like. God calls us to lead by example, and yes, point out what is wrong. But God is also very clear that he intends each of us to be able to make our own mistakes, because that choice is the only thing that makes coming to God willingly such a righteous and spiritual thing.

Things like national bans on choices that are poor, but don't directly affect someone elses choice, like smoking, show complete disrespect for the free will and trust in that will that God gave us. God didn't just give us that free will, he put his trust in us to be strong enough to make such decisions on our own.

In Romans, (chapter 12 I think), Paul talks about the arrogance of challenging your government when it doesn't ask something unGodly of you. Paul explains that people are only in positions of power because God allows them to be, and that as long as any request is not unGodly, disregard for it is like saying you know better than God does.

Passing laws like this says to me that Huckabee isn't the "God guy", he's the "God" guy. Huckabee, through his policies, his character with his family and his tenure in Arkansaw, tell me that he doesn't allow God's will to flourish, he demands that God's will be spread as he sees it. The flaw of course being that it's very difficult for people to see God's will for themselves, let alone an entire society.

Huckabee is misguided. He thinks he is being compassionate and Christian, but in reality he works to deprive people of the most important thing the Creator gave us: the power to make our mistakes and discover the beauty and grace of the Lord for ourselves.

Wow. Excellent breakdown and I'm an atheist!

[angrydragon]

Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR): Governor Huckabee enjoyed a meteoric rise in the polls in December 2007, which prompted a more thorough review of his ethics record. According to The Associated Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office.” And what was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics allegations? Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p-2Sb7dFsvM

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Tell her how dumb she is.

j/k

[smartguy911]

I just got this e-mail from my mother-in-law:

"Huckabee Talks about Christmas Ad and Jesus in Iowa - The Brody File: David Brody Blog - CBN News https://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/290420.aspx


This clip wins my vote! lbp kg"



I responded to her:

"Be careful...just because he's a Christian doesn't make him a good leader. "


Now my mother-in-law is a devout Christian (as am I) so I know she's probably going to ask what makes him a bad leader. Could you all give me some ammo to respond with?


Thanks!

yes show her this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2Sb7dFsvM

[idiom]

This impressed me and a lot of other hard to impress Christians (who are actual evangelists):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXZpuIXEzWk

That is the best fast articulation of the complexities of abortion I have ever seen. The guy is so much deeper than the Huckster, it's like night and day.

[speciallyblend]

if all else fails,release her tire pressure?? shes your mom, you can do it for her to save her from her mistakes,teasin maybe;)

[constituent]

Just because he SAYS he's a Christian doesn't make him one either. I am a follower of Christ. I also firmly believe Huckabee is a pawn from the pitt of hell. he's a fascist and could become tomorrow's Hitler.

.

+1

minus the 'christ' thing.

typical mother in law b.s. i'd say. :: so glad we're not visiting this year for xmas ::

[TheNewYorker]

Never talk politics with people you care about.

Unless it's your mother in-law.

lol.

[kahvi]

I would say, tell her to watch the upcomming Meet the Press. That way you dont have to force anything on her

[OferNave]

Divorce!

Oh, wait... it's your mom. Hm. Disown, but only *after* Christmas.

[werdd]

sinclair lewis quote: When facism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag carrying a cross.

[max]

I just got this e-mail from my mother-in-law:

"Huckabee Talks about Christmas Ad and Jesus in Iowa - The Brody File: David Brody Blog - CBN News https://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/290420.aspx


This clip wins my vote! lbp kg"



I responded to her:

"Be careful...just because he's a Christian doesn't make him a good leader. "


Now my mother-in-law is a devout Christian (as am I) so I know she's probably going to ask what makes him a bad leader. Could you all give me some ammo to respond with?


Thanks!
ask your mom how she would have reacted if a man brutally raped her and then got to walk free because pastor Huckabee thinks he can play God...

then ask her how she would feel if said rapist then went on to murder two other women...

and finally, Huckabee then LIED about his role in pardoning this monster...

Hucksster is NOT a chrsiotian...He is exactly the type of sanctimonius , self righteous hypocrite that Jesus spoke out against.

Ron Paul is a REAL christian because he practices humility.

[goldenequity]

My Father is now 87..... (OMG!)

I just got this self composed "broadcast" email from him....


VOTE FOR RON PAUL

RON PAUL IS A TRUE "AMERICAN" AND HIS GOAL IS TO "BEEF' UP AMERICA BASED UPON THE FOUNDATIONS THAT ONCE MADE AMERICA GREAT.

THE OTHER CANDIDATES ARE TRUE"POLITICIANS"
WHOSE ONLY DESIRE ARE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE "PORK".

VOTE FOR RON PAUL

PRESIDENT RON PAUL

THAT SOUNDS REAL AMERICAN

YOU GOTTA VOTE FOR THE GUY


I was on his list of "friends" .... he's NEVER done anything like this..... mostly
just passes on the occasional joke or Clinton bash thing...

It almost made me weep.... he's never been "political"... ever.... as long as
I can remember...... He is a gentle quiet person.... red cross volunteer, Sunday go to Episcopal church.... life long republican....
Anyway.... I started early with him.... Aaron Russo's film etc.... now he "sees" the chirade...... think's Bush is a traitor etc...

You've got to give her the red pill first:
Get your mom to watch this video and educate her.....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3051024550497129264&q=ohio+world+church+irs&total=1&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3051024550497129264&q=ohio+world+church+irs&total=1&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)
This is a film clip of an Evang Pastor educating his Flock on the Federal Reserve...... he does a really GOOD job!
This is an E-Z way to give Christians the RED PILL ! :D

[LibertyEagle]

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/speech.html

Note: He has some articles in here that expose Huckabee too.

[BlimpityBlimp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF0k8wWoDqk#rSVbOmqGLo8

Check out this guys other videos, he exposes Huckster pretty well.

[Akus]

Help! My mother-in-law is voting for Huckabee...
Didn't he lie about his divinity degree?
Didn't he also raised whole bunch of taxes?
Didn't he pardon some criminal, who, when pardoned, went out and killed?

[hatefalseweight]

This has been covered many times. Search for 'stubborn christians ' thread or others

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=456213&highlight=hatefalseweight#post456213

Statement of Faith is very good.

Anything by chuck Baldwin ... Lawrence vance's "open letter to protestants on behalf of ron paul" at the lew rockwell cite

Make sure you brin up the sanctity of life legislation which uses art 3 sxn 2 of the constitution to exclude fed judges from ruling on abortion , thus overturning roe by legislative majority , not waiting and hoping for some court ruling - by the way, these bush appointees flatly stated they would not overturn roe.

Also, the Fed is against the concept of 'just weights and measures." show her a chart of the dollar. I like the Proverbs 11:1 reference:

"A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight."

Tell her about Peter Schiff, Jim Rogers and all the finance guys who support him. Clips of him yellig at Ben or the traders cheering him in the pits.

As for Federal enformcement of morals, have her read Deut 18 and 1 Sam 8 .... the law is supposed to be enforced locally - big govt. / fascism / "a king" is immoral use of looking to man instead of God and personal responsibility of local people to enforce law.

As for "support " of Israel - consider that God fought for Israel himself in the old testament and will again in Revelation. We give Arabs 3 times what we give Israel and prevented them from wiping out the palestinians in 1982 for instance. G HW Bush procalaimed a "new world order." This is not christian foreign policy. It is a forerunner to the false world government of the anitchrist according to the bible. The Iraq war / invasion of our southern borders / NAU has nothing to do with securing america. Both the mideast and america are being bankrupted and setup up for regional governments and currencies (i.e the amero in NAU) which w ill then be rolled into a world govt. You could probably explain LOSTreaty in those terms too, showing how the UN is looking for any way they can to tax and control the world. The UN will just be a front for the ruling Luciferian / corporate oligarchy.

Mike Huckabee talks about none of these things. He cozies up to Richard Haass of the CFR, a leading advocate of the UN and loss of sovreignty. Do not attack Huck on the ethical and spending issues. They are largely petty smears, especially the spending. These other t hings can be pointed out right in the bible. She should be embarrassed at her lack of understanding if she is really serious.

[hellah10]

the fact that Huckabee let go of a rapist (who murdered someone in another state) is good enough to not vote for him

[LynnB]

My mother (84) is the WORST!!! She's voting for McCain, because she knew his parents (we're ex-military) and because, when he was a POW, he refused to leave before his men were freed-- and THAT, in her rheumy eyes, qualifies him for president??? Jeezz--it's all I can do not to scream when she says that!!
I told her, no one doubts his bravery, etc. but it says nothing about presidential qualities..
I asked her, where does he stand on taxes? immigration? etc.. She said she didn't know, it didn't matter...he's a very brave man! Oh boy.......

[hellah10]

...he's a very brave man! Oh boy.......

bo thompson is a brave man as well....11 purple hearts :D

[Revolution9]

bo thompson is a brave man as well....11 purple hearts :D

On his wifes charm bracelet? Or did he actually get his ass shot up or hurt 11 times? and Where? In the Tennessee Senate?

:confused:
Randy

[ggibson1]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3051024550497129264&q=ohio+world+church+irs&total=1&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[JordanL]

Wow. Excellent breakdown and I'm an atheist!

I used to be an atheist. ;)

[literatim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuWUdUDUIDQ

[Sey.Naci]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007Yes, have her check out Judicial Watch. Being on their Ten Most Corrupt Politicians list is a ringing anti-endorsement.

BTW, there appears to be a problem with the Judicial Watch website, which wasn't there yesterday.

[trispear]

Paul's brother is a Lutheran Pastor. Ron Paul's statement of faith is also nice.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-treul/an-interview-with-ron-pau_b_71108.html

http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm

[jesshwarren]

Let her know the 25% tax increase Huck offers.

[hellah10]

On his wifes charm bracelet? Or did he actually get his ass shot up or hurt 11 times? and Where? In the Tennessee Senate?

:confused:
Randy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIR-gWz28Us