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acmegeek
12-24-2007, 02:23 PM
We are truly in the attack phase of the ignore/ridicule/attack/win scenario.

I'm sure that Ron has fully expected this. He has been saying the same things for 30+ years.

Here are the possible scenarios...

First, a RP supporter will see through these smears and not be affected.

Second, those who haven't heard of him will either be in one of two camps. They will either take the media's opinion at face value and not support RP or they will look into him more now that they know about him and most likely become supporters.

Third, those who knew about him before this and didn't support him will most likely not be swayed, except for maybe those who notice the blatant bias and smearing and choose to research it further.

So, in the end, these attacks are a NET POSITIVE! Keep that in mind! Being attacked for truth and principles is a good thing.

Please be aware of these different types of people and address them accordingly. Be on the defensive, but don't lose perspective.

InRonWeTrust
12-24-2007, 02:24 PM
Yep.

MsDoodahs
12-24-2007, 02:26 PM
It is exciting to hit this phase, isn't it?

:D

romeo2
12-24-2007, 02:27 PM
dont know why people are saying its good for the good doctor to get 3rd in iowa.
hes gonna get 1st suckas!

Triton
12-24-2007, 02:27 PM
I was expecting this, too. Just remember that the voters we are wooing - the independents - have seen all this before, and can probably smell a big fat rat like Kristol when they see it.

Adamsa
12-24-2007, 02:28 PM
Damn, I hate this phase, I always get rashses.

N13
12-24-2007, 02:30 PM
Kristol was a reverse psychology endorsement for RP.

Thanks Neo-Con Loser.

voytechs
12-24-2007, 02:30 PM
2 more weeks and shit will hit the fan. I was thinking same thing about the attacks.

Myerz
12-24-2007, 02:56 PM
DO WE JUST SIT BACK AND TAKE IT THOUGH?

OR DO WE FIGHT BACK WITH SOME TRUTH?

NEWTON'S 3rd LAW of MOTION: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

SO SINCE THEY ARE LYING WE NEED AN EQUAL REACTION OF THE TRUTH!!!!

paulitics
12-24-2007, 03:06 PM
Yes finally we are in the attack phase. I don't think we were before this, unless you call ignoring, and calling you a kook an attack. I considered that an ignore and marginalize phase. Now its full assault. Lets see how thick our skin is, so far so good.

literatim
12-24-2007, 03:07 PM
I think the other candidates have proven that there is no such thing as bad publicity.

iloveronpaul
12-24-2007, 03:35 PM
This is great! I thought it would have come earlier but better late than never. :D

Bring it on old media, you don't have a leg to stand on!

Anti Federalist
12-24-2007, 03:47 PM
Stay on Target!!
http://www.starwars.com/community/news/family/img/20051025_1.jpg

Alex Libman
12-24-2007, 03:58 PM
Damn, I hate this phase, I always get rashses.

Me too... :(

The next phase is Rudy McRomneysonabee go negative against Paul.

Then they get the Democrats to go negative.

Then it gets even worse, unfortunately - they cheat.

Then they bus in fake protesters to call us fascists and cheats and whatever insults should really be directed at them instead of us.

Then they stage a fake assassination attempt on our opposition and blame it on Paul supporters.

Then they stage even bigger terrorist attacks and blame it on "the Ron Paul branch of Al-Qaeda".

Then they plant drugs or weapons on people close to the Ron Paul campaign and put them in Federal prison.

Then the IRS starts an immediate audit of everyone who donated to Ron Paul or even visited this forum.

Then some top Ron Paul sites get shut down for promoting terrorism, perhaps after a patsy posts some incriminating evidence.

Then Ron Paul is captured and given a heart attack causing injection, no more Dr. Paul.

Then 1-2% of the American population, almost 5,000,000 people, become active dissidents - stop paying taxes, join something like the Free State Project, get unplugged from the grid.

Then they put 2 of those 5 million in jail, straining the prison infrastructure, while 10 million more join the movement.

Then they put 5 million more in jails and improvised concentration camps, and 15 million more join the movement, with international opinion being clearly on our side. American products and services are boycotted around the world. Similar revolutions spark up in previously socialist countries on every continent. Some are put down, but new ones are started. Some of small countries become successful in implementing a minimal constitution-bound government like the America of 1776 and become the Galt's Gulch for the top dissidents across the world. With top brains and capital leaving them, the socialist governments roll in the tanks but are challenged through non-violent resistance that turns the tide of public opinion against them. The centralized Internet is shut down, but it is quickly replaced with a mesh of locally-run volunteer networks of wireless routers and people copying information between them through whatever means are available. Then they stage more terrorist attacks, perhaps detonate a nuke or two, but the public no longer believes in Al-CIAda. No one pays taxes anymore. Half the police force quits, two thirds of the military goes AWOL. Even though all highways are shut down, five million people are nonetheless able to converge on Washington DC, and even though thousands are gunned down they eventually succeed in shutting down all regular functions of the Federal government. The chains are broken! A dozen states declares secession, and others join in multi-state unions of their own. Order is restored, media resumes operation under new ownership just in time to bring reports of similar revolutions taking place in China, Russia, and many other countries. Dictators that were previously able to stay in power by keeping their people in fear of "the American threat" are overthrown and are replaced with milder socialist systems that can gradually shift toward capitalism. A popular decentralized movement takes place to replace the United Nations and its collectivist agenda with a new philosophy based on individual sovereignty, liberty, and absolute property rights.

And then we win!

MsDoodahs
12-24-2007, 04:04 PM
Go easy on the eggnog, okay?

:)

Alex Libman
12-24-2007, 04:12 PM
Beer actually. ;)

But the point is - they more the establishment will cheat, the more dedicated the libertarian / objectivist base in this country will become. The harder they crack down, the more the public opinion will turn to our favor. Sooner or later, Atlas will shrug!

Paulitician
12-24-2007, 04:12 PM
What attacks are you guys talking about?

AtomiC
12-24-2007, 04:14 PM
Me too... :(

The next phase is Rudy McRomneysonabee go negative against Paul.

Then they get the Democrats to go negative.

Then it gets even worse, unfortunately - they cheat.

Then they bus in fake protesters to call us fascists and cheats and whatever insults should really be directed at them instead of us.

Then they stage a fake assassination attempt on our opposition and blame it on Paul supporters.

Then they stage even bigger terrorist attacks and blame it on "the Ron Paul branch of Al-Qaeda".

Then they plant drugs or weapons on people close to the Ron Paul campaign and put them in Federal prison.

Then the IRS starts an immediate audit of everyone who donated to Ron Paul or even visited this forum.

Then some top Ron Paul sites get shut down for promoting terrorism, perhaps after a patsy posts some incriminating evidence.

Then Ron Paul is captured and given a heart attack causing injection, no more Dr. Paul.

Then 1-2% of the American population, almost 5,000,000 people, become active dissidents - stop paying taxes, join something like the Free State Project, get unplugged from the grid.

Then they put 2 of those 5 million in jail, straining the prison infrastructure, while 10 million more join the movement.

Then they put 5 million more in jails and improvised concentration camps, and 15 million more join the movement, with international opinion being clearly on our side. American products and services are boycotted around the world. Similar revolutions spark up in previously socialist countries on every continent. Some are put down, but new ones are started. Some of small countries become successful in implementing a minimal constitution-bound government like the America of 1776 and become the Galt's Gulch for the top dissidents across the world. With top brains and capital leaving them, the socialist governments roll in the tanks but are challenged through non-violent resistance that turns the tide of public opinion against them. The centralized Internet is shut down, but it is quickly replaced with a mesh of locally-run volunteer networks of wireless routers and people copying information between them through whatever means are available. Then they stage more terrorist attacks, perhaps detonate a nuke or two, but the public no longer believes in Al-CIAda. No one pays taxes anymore. Half the police force quits, two thirds of the military goes AWOL. Even though all highways are shut down, five million people are nonetheless able to converge on Washington DC, and even though thousands are gunned down they eventually succeed in shutting down all regular functions of the Federal government. The chains are broken! A dozen states declares secession, and others join in multi-state unions of their own. Order is restored, media resumes operation under new ownership just in time to bring reports of similar revolutions taking place in China, Russia, and many other countries. Dictators that were previously able to stay in power by keeping their people in fear of "the American threat" are overthrown and are replaced with milder socialist systems that can gradually shift toward capitalism. A popular decentralized movement takes place to replace the United Nations and its collectivist agenda with a new philosophy based on individual sovereignty, liberty, and absolute property rights.

And then we win!

I lol'd. :p

Vaughn
12-24-2007, 04:19 PM
dont know why people are saying its good for the good doctor to get 3rd in iowa.
hes gonna get 1st suckas!

Oh man I hope so!!!

I also hope that the campaign is taking notice, if we place 3rd or better in Iowa then the attacks are going to intensify like crazy. If we can turn the attacks around on the media then we will be good going into New Hampshire.

JSutter
12-25-2007, 11:33 AM
This is great! I thought it would have come earlier but better late than never. :D

Bring it on old media, you don't have a leg to stand on!


Actually it comes at a very good time. Too much of something and people get bored and start ignoring it so if we had hit this phase earlier like the other candidates people would have gotten tired of hearing about Ron Paul like they're tired of hearing about the other candidates already. It's better to come out of nowhere right at the end and surprise everyone which looks to be happening.

There was a video of the Iowa campaign director giving a motivational speech I saw on YouTube about two weeks ago and he was talking about the campaign was right where it should be and that as we kept climbing the curve the support would grow and not to be worried. That is what looks to be happening.

Better to peak at the end than prematurely and fall by the wayside like all the other "hopefuls".

wgadget
12-25-2007, 11:38 AM
And, my, what an AWESOME discovery these people will be making when they are introduced to Dr. Paul!

It was May 9 for me...I'll never forget the date.

slamhead
12-25-2007, 11:45 AM
Me too... :(

The next phase is Rudy McRomneysonabee go negative against Paul.

Then they get the Democrats to go negative.

***snip***

And then we win!

LOL'd you should be crossing the picket line in the writers strike.

fuzzybekool
12-25-2007, 12:00 PM
The attack phase is both exciting and dangerous. It signals to the movement how far we have advanced in the cause for freedom, but at the same time, we must be prepared for a massive on-slaught never before witnessed in American presidential politics. I personally have never seen such a vicious orchestrated campaign of dis-information and slander as I have seen directed towards Dr. Paul's candidacy. If he is not as popular as the Neo Con media would have us believe, why attack so hard even before one vote is cast ?

There is something big going on. That is for sure. An epic struggle will ensue. A struggle worthy of its place in the annals of history. The battles are being fought and only one side can win. This is the dilemma we face. The America we know, proud and free against those who would keep us enslaved. Reminiscent of the civil rights movement of the 60's, we are in the liberty rights movement of this new American century. We fight with words, thoughts, and ideas. They fight with lies, hatred, and bitter souls. Good against Evil. The people against a corrupted Government. The corrupt want to maintain the status quo. The people have awoken from their deep sleep of despair politics, and demand a change to end political enslavement.

The attack phase. Exciting indeed.

smtwngrl
12-25-2007, 01:17 PM
The attack phase is both exciting and dangerous.


I hate the attack phase. The good thing about it is that it is not just attack. Good things are going on, too. Or, in other words, the attacks are increasing because of Ron Paul's increasing popularity and support. On bad days, I have to go back and watch encouraging youtube videos like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB3khd3MhLo :) and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vza4p71X6g8 :) to keep from being discouraged.

DisabledCombatVet4change
12-25-2007, 01:19 PM
bump

me3
12-25-2007, 01:30 PM
The important thing is to remember not to get bogged down fighting back. Peaceful revolutions in the manner of Gandhi and Martin Luther King resisted attacks, but did not strike back.

The "opposition" would like nothing better than for us to stop campaigning, and getting hung up on defending our candidate, or fighting them. It will diminish our momentum.

Stay focused and keep working hard. Good things will come from that approach.

ecliptic
12-25-2007, 01:30 PM
Damn, I hate this phase, I always get rashes.

Yeah... and P.T.S.D. on the arches of my feet!

smtwngrl
12-25-2007, 01:36 PM
DO WE JUST SIT BACK AND TAKE IT THOUGH?

OR DO WE FIGHT BACK WITH SOME TRUTH?

NEWTON'S 3rd LAW of MOTION: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

SO SINCE THEY ARE LYING WE NEED AN EQUAL REACTION OF THE TRUTH!!!!

Well, I think we have to have some balance. Yes, some injection of truth is needed. But we can't spend to much time just responding to attacks, so that it takes away from time we could be spending on something more productive.

This past summer I read the book "The Real Thomas Jefferson", and I saw many parallels between Thomas Jefferson and Ron Paul. When Thomas Jefferson was running for President, he had to deal with so many attacks that he decided not to answer any of them. He told James Monroe, "It has been so impossible to contradict all their lies that I have determined to contradict none, for while I should be engaged with one, they would publish twenty new ones."

If there many attacks against Ron Paul, we can't afford to spend all of our time defending against them.

adpierce
12-25-2007, 01:52 PM
I think the other candidates have proven that there is no such thing as bad publicity.

At least not for Ron Paul... he's got principled integrity so the more exposure he gets the better we look. The attacks come off looking like attacks, which makes the attacker look bad not Ron Paul.

Laja
12-25-2007, 02:05 PM
Indeed, I've been shocked a couple of times by these attacks, but Malcolm Anderson (I think that's his name), the blogger from the LA Times, warned that RP supporters better be ready for some really heavy hitting attacks in the near future. In fact, he implied that we ain't seen nothin' yet.

I think we need to always remember not to take the attacks personally. These are really angry people whose status quo is threatened by the rEVOLutionaries. It's very scary for them and there's nothing they can do to stop it. So, just like a little kid who doesn't get his way, they have a tantrum...a very public tantrum.

We absolutely must stay cool, calm, collected, determined, and focused on our goal. We can learn from the attacks, discuss the issues in question, and become more educated about our candidate, his philosophy, and what we really want in government.

If we begin to attack back or get defensive, we've lowered ourselves to their level and we become ineffective in achieving our goals. We've got to become like teflon pans--when the shit hits, it slides right off. I know it's hard because we tend to take attacks on Ron Paul or his philosophy as personal attacks, but they're not. They're simply the emotional responses of someone who is either scared or frustrated because they've lost control. It's really their problem, not ours. Let's not get sucked into it.

Thanks for "listening".

pacelli
12-25-2007, 02:18 PM
I think they are vacillating between completely ignoring Dr. Paul, attacking him directly, and attacking him indirectly.

I do believe that there is a good deal planned for the attack once he starts winning in early primaries. I predict they will use the Morton Downey show from 1988, they will probably dredge up something about his medical practice (perhaps cart out a fake former patient), and they will plug the hell out of the neo-nazi donation and fraudulent allegations about the 'dinners in DC'. I also believe they are waiting for the blimp project to either FAIL completely, or be investigated by the FEC. I think they will cast a negative shadow on the intent of the blimp to skirt the FEC laws as we've already seen in some preliminary MSM hit pieces.

While we are sick and tired of hearing about all of this, we are on the front line of slanders against Dr. Paul. Most americans haven't heard about it, and I think we're just a single FoxNews internal memo away from it getting on the airwaves.

Liberty Star
12-25-2007, 02:20 PM
Yep.

These are good signs, RP threat to status quo dogmas and establishment is gathering steam and more attacks should be coming. Some of these are good free publicity. No one kicks a dead dog.

Sey.Naci
12-25-2007, 04:32 PM
Well, I think we have to have some balance. Yes, some injection of truth is needed. But we can't spend to much time just responding to attacks, so that it takes away from time we could be spending on something more productive.

This past summer I read the book "The Real Thomas Jefferson", and I saw many parallels between Thomas Jefferson and Ron Paul. When Thomas Jefferson was running for President, he had to deal with so many attacks that he decided not to answer any of them. He told James Monroe, "It has been so impossible to contradict all their lies that I have determined to contradict none, for while I should be engaged with one, they would publish twenty new ones."Think this is why the campaign is ignoring the attacks. By responding to them, you help keep them circulating and your time is taken up in less valuable pursuits.

Vaughn
12-25-2007, 05:53 PM
Think this is why the campaign is ignoring the attacks. By responding to them, you help keep them circulating and your time is taken up in less valuable pursuits.

Depends, responding to these scattered attacks might inadvertently draw more attention to them so it is best for the campaign to leave them alone. But I have a feeling that after Iowa, if we place 3rd, the media is going to do its best to throw as much mud at us as possible. With such little time between Iowa and New Hampshire this could hurt us if we are unprepared. If this happens the campaign better have some pretty heavy fire power lined up (spokespeople, ads, etc.) to combat the lies. As long as HQ is ready for it we will be able to fight it back, but we just cannot be caught off guard.

smtwngrl
12-26-2007, 12:41 AM
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xCakex
12-26-2007, 12:49 AM
We must keep up this good fight everyday to save our world! Show them our strength on the 31st. http://www.ronpaulmarch.com It's up to you to spread this message!!!

Thom1776
12-26-2007, 12:51 AM
F' them!

BRING IT ON!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9107823578095746289&q=rocky+balboa+son&total=204&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2