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RCA
12-23-2007, 09:04 PM
Dad thinks the Huck X-mas add came out BEFORE Ron Pauls!

speciallyblend
12-23-2007, 09:07 PM
hmmm ,my question is why does it matter.

I know someone will post proof,but i know paul did first;) just no source that i know of

hellah10
12-23-2007, 09:09 PM
i dont know when Huckabees add came out.. but if check out the video from the campaign, youll see that it was uploaded on december 11th... so theres half the proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZPCWGtIupE

dircha
12-23-2007, 09:10 PM
Dad thinks the Huck X-mas add came out BEFORE Ron Pauls!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZPCWGtIupE
Added: December 11, 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xn7uSHtkuA
Added: December 17, 2007

Best I think we can do.

Nothlit
12-23-2007, 09:11 PM
Well, this may not exactly correspond to when they first aired on TV, but the Huckabee ad was posted to YouTube on 12/17. Ron Paul's ad was posted to YouTube on 12/11.

Huckabee ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xn7uSHtkuA
Paul ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZPCWGtIupE

Jobarra
12-23-2007, 09:11 PM
Oldest Huckabee ad posted by what looks like Huck's presence on Youtube(explorehuckabee)
December 17, 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xn7uSHtkuA)

Date that ronpaul2008dotcom(official Ron Paul presence on Youtube) posted their ad:
December 11, 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZPCWGtIupE)

Ron was a full week ahead of the other candidates as far as I know.

webber53
12-23-2007, 09:13 PM
Dad thinks the Huck X-mas add came out BEFORE Ron Pauls!

Youtube states that Ron Paul's Christmas message was added December 11th

Mike Huckabee's was added December the 17th.

FACT;)

RCA
12-23-2007, 09:14 PM
I already showed the YouTube dates before I started this thread, it wasn't enough "proof".

webber53
12-23-2007, 09:14 PM
Youtube states that Ron Paul's Christmas message was added December 11th

Mike Huckabee's was added December the 17th.

FACT;)

Man, I'm slow!:confused:

webber53
12-23-2007, 09:16 PM
I already showed the YouTube dates before I started this thread, it wasn't enough "proof".

Write both campaign offices and ask them to show you
the dates they submitted the ads.

european
12-23-2007, 09:17 PM
if you really want to know, call both campaigns and ask them for the public release date of the videos :)

Nothlit
12-23-2007, 09:19 PM
I already showed the YouTube dates before I started this thread, it wasn't enough "proof".

Call each campaign and ask them? It may be worth a shot. I do know that Ron Paul's ad was shot at his home in Texas over Thanksgiving, so it was easily "in the can" and ready to air probably the first or second week of December.

RCA
12-23-2007, 09:19 PM
I'm afraid even that wouldn't be enough proof. My Dad needs to see MSM proof.

AtomiC
12-23-2007, 09:20 PM
I'm afraid even that wouldn't be enough proof. My Dad needs to see MSM proof.

Tell him "You can't handle the truth!!!"

RCA
12-23-2007, 09:21 PM
Tell him "You can't HANDLE the truth!!!"

He can if it comes from the MSM.

wstrucke
12-23-2007, 09:22 PM
frankly if that's the only thing your dad cares about you're probably not going to get him to vote for RP.

RCA
12-23-2007, 09:24 PM
frankly if that's the only thing your dad cares about you're probably not going to get him to vote for RP.

I've got to win the small battles before I even think about winning the big battle!

:rolleyes:

all J's in IL for RP
12-23-2007, 09:26 PM
What's the point? Huckabee didn't rip off the idea of a christmas add. Everyone does a christmas add. Ron Paul didn't break new ground here, even though his was the first this election cycle from what I could tell. I'm going by the Youtube release dates as well as everyone else.

RCA
12-23-2007, 09:29 PM
Oh well, thanks anyway!

Corydoras
12-23-2007, 09:34 PM
OK, here's the official word on Huck's ad:

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Newsroom.PressRelease&ID=450
Says Huck's ad began running 12/18

dircha
12-23-2007, 09:34 PM
Fox & Friends clip saying that Huckabee's ad started running "today" and has Catholic League president Bill Donahue on to comment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcp-_QR04rY

Fox News story from Tuesday, December 18th referencing Donahue's appearance and commentary on it on Fox & Friends that same Tuesday the 18th:
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Dec18/0,4670,HuckabeeChristmasAd,00.html

This clearly shows that Huckabee's ad starting airing on the 18th. Where we see that Paul's ad was clearly already on YouTube on the 11th.

Finding reference to Paul's ad before the Tucker mention on the 21st will be difficult due simply to the fact that it was mostly ignored, but I don't see why we should have to do that. Because we have already dated the Huckabee ad via Fox News - who would never lie - to the 18th, well after the Google/YouTube date for Paul's.

all J's in IL for RP
12-23-2007, 09:35 PM
This is an important point for some people, evidently.

http://www.wdef.com/blog/republican_presidential_candidate_mike_huckabee_sa ys_merry_christmas_god_bless/12/2007

Note the correction at the bottom of the article.

dircha
12-23-2007, 09:37 PM
This is an important point for some people, evidently.

http://www.wdef.com/blog/republican_presidential_candidate_mike_huckabee_sa ys_merry_christmas_god_bless/12/2007

Note the correction at the bottom of the article.

Awesome. That should do it. This is a CBS affiliate. That's MSM.

quantized
12-23-2007, 09:40 PM
I've got to win the small battles before I even think about winning the big battle!

:rolleyes:

good luck :D

joshdvm
12-23-2007, 09:45 PM
I'm afraid even that wouldn't be enough proof. My Dad needs to see MSM proof.

You've presented valid evidence so why is the burden still on you to prove this? Seems to me the burden is now on him if he still insists Schmuck's came out first. If MSM proof is all he accepts, then the burden is on him to provide it in support of his claim. As it stands now, the the preponderance of evidence is on your side as he has nothing even backing his claim.

Of course, if he's your typical father, none of this matters because apparently the 'because- I'm-your-father' argument trumps rational discourse. Sounds like you did a good job choosing your parents. :) Good luck.

lasenorita
12-23-2007, 09:47 PM
CNN reported the release of Huckabee's ad on December 17th:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/17/huckabee-launches-christmas-ad/

Funny how they didn't bother to report Ron Paul's Christmas ad which was released a full week before. See the first comment:


Like everything else, Huckabee copies Ron Paul, who put his Christmas greeting out over a week ago. The difference is the biased main stream media covers Huckabee and pretends his idea is original.

Ron Paul, the only man with original ideas and the only man who doesn't need a think tank to tell him what to say.
Posted By Derek Grand Rapids, MI : December 17, 2007 7:34 pm

RlxdN10sity
12-23-2007, 09:47 PM
Why have we not commented on this articles page? I am.

Highstreet
12-23-2007, 09:48 PM
Dad thinks the Huck X-mas add came out BEFORE Ron Pauls!

Look at the "Add" date for the Youtube vids.

RlxdN10sity
12-23-2007, 09:49 PM
Does anyone know offhand the quote that says something like "you can't lead a nation if you can't lead a strong loving family" ?

dircha
12-23-2007, 09:58 PM
Does anyone know offhand the quote that says something like "you can't lead a nation if you can't lead a strong loving family" ?

I don't know any quote that applies particularly to leader of a nation.

However, the general principle is set forth in 1 Timothy 3:1-13 for qualifications to serve as leaders within the church:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%203%20;&version=31;

RlxdN10sity
12-23-2007, 10:12 PM
I was thinking about posting this under that article - does anyone think it is too strong? It is in response to someone else saying that "why does it matter if Ron Paul's ad came out first. So if Ron Paul does something first no one else can too?" There are loads of comments gushing on the Huckster, apparently they are ignorant of the facts or they are on the payroll.

It does not mean that other candidates should not do it. It just points to the fact that Huckabee among others tend to take cues from the Paul campaign. An interesting observation is that the self proclaimed christian leader, Mike Huckabee, who's son David hung a stray dog by a rope from a rail, tortured it, slit its throat and then stoned it to death is delivering his warm holiday wishes all by himself in his ad, while Ron Paul is joined by a signifiacant number of his immediate family (wife of 50 yrs., 5 children, and 18 grandchildren) who warmly gather together to sing to us as a family. 1 Timothy 3 NIV - "Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task.....He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?"

dircha
12-23-2007, 10:22 PM
I don't see any problem with that. What he did was deeply disturbing.

I think that reference will certainly make Huckabee supporters think, and it should, because they are basing their support of him on his alleged religious virtue.

RlxdN10sity
12-23-2007, 10:38 PM
That was my thinking. I know someone of significance, somwhere said something to the effect "a leader of a nation should be a good leader of his family" or something like that. I'm sure it was drawn from the biblical reference you pointed me too though. It is probably better that the bible passage is used as source in the context of addressing Hickabee supporters though. Hehe...Hickabee was a typo, but then I kinda liked it.

scbissler
12-23-2007, 10:47 PM
Has RP's ad played on TV anywhere or just on Youtube. Just curious.

dircha
12-23-2007, 10:54 PM
Has RP's ad played on TV anywhere or just on Youtube. Just curious.

Yes, it aired in Iowa at least. It's a very good ad for Iowa.

pacelli
12-23-2007, 10:57 PM
I'm afraid even that wouldn't be enough proof. My Dad needs to see MSM proof.

Have your dad call the campaigns for you and find out for himself. At that point he would need no MSM intermediary.

Shavenyak
12-23-2007, 11:12 PM
I'm afraid even that wouldn't be enough proof. My Dad needs to see MSM proof.

"MSM proof" is an oxymoron.