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StateofTrance
12-23-2007, 06:31 AM
Live Video Streaming ? - Couldn't find one yet. Sorry.




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StateofTrance
12-23-2007, 06:31 AM
Check your local NBC affialites' listing for MTP.

StateofTrance
12-23-2007, 06:37 AM
The show is sponsored by Boeing. Although I don't want anybody to take this seriously, but Boeing would love to have Ron Paul as the next president because further good relations with "West-hating" countries would lead to open market for more defense equipments. Neo-cons are controlling these defense industries badly.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
12-23-2007, 07:12 AM
I'm under the impression that Boeing would wind up with a huge net loss if we stop providing milatary equipment to countries all over the world and curb federal spending in general. I have absolutely no figures to back that up.

Captain Shays
12-23-2007, 07:20 AM
What time is the friggin show on?

Lois
12-23-2007, 07:21 AM
9:00 ET.

(You don't have to swear):rolleyes:

Nihilist23
12-23-2007, 07:24 AM
The airtime is different everywhere. It's 10:30 EST where I live.

OferNave
12-23-2007, 07:25 AM
9:00 ET.

(You don't have to swear):rolleyes:

no, but he chooses to. and not really, since he said 'friggin'.

conner_condor
12-23-2007, 07:32 AM
This in the AM? I usually sleep in on sundays but up early today.

conner_condor
12-23-2007, 07:37 AM
:oHow did I not see the am post?

Seth M.
12-23-2007, 07:56 AM
Here in Houston its airing on channel 2 KPRC and will be on at 9:00am that is cst

I have dish network and it shows it will be on again: channel 209 MSNBC at 5:00pm

Falseflagop
12-23-2007, 08:04 AM
here in NYC at 10:30 am that sucks!

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:05 AM
Hey, am I the only one watchng this right now? Or is there another thread to critique it?

scottincr
12-23-2007, 08:05 AM
Florida 10:00 am

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:06 AM
"So if Iran invaded Israel, what would we do?" It's all about Israel and Iran now. Israel love fest right now.

orion846
12-23-2007, 08:07 AM
it's on at 10:30am for me in NJ

Falseflagop
12-23-2007, 08:07 AM
I sure hope he mentions ISRAEL has 300 nukes and can defend herself!

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:07 AM
"So Israel want's us to bomb Iran"

"So would you give up all foreign aid to Israel"

All the world is Israel.

Falseflagop
12-23-2007, 08:08 AM
SO TIM isowned by AIPAC too?

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:09 AM
Yes, he definitely said that and said how Iran can't attack anybody and saying Iran can bomb Israrel is like saying Iran can bomb Mars.

He's doing great.

Ozwest
12-23-2007, 08:10 AM
Thanks for the blow by blow guys.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:10 AM
"So you think the problem is the United States, not Al Queda?"

Really attacking him.

"Do you think....Islamofascists want to take over the world?"

BLS
12-23-2007, 08:10 AM
WTF? It's on in your area already??

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:11 AM
Now they're quoting Eric Dondero -- sheesh :rolleyes:

hazek
12-23-2007, 08:12 AM
Great! The more they try to paint him as this bad big crazy monster of a candidate the more he shines with logic and common sense.

I can't wait to see this.

mrchubbs
12-23-2007, 08:13 AM
Dondero??? Is that the best they can do? Jeez.

Bowie
12-23-2007, 08:13 AM
Yes, he definitely said that and said how Iran can't attack anybody and saying Iran can bomb Israrel is like saying Iran can bomb Mars.

He's doing great.
A nice pithy retort, but I'm not sure that was the best analogy -- I mean, Iran could attack Israel, but Israel would retaliate... whereas Mars can neither be attacked nor retaliate. :confused: Or did I miss something clever?

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:13 AM
Yes, I'm in Charlottesville, and it's on now. Ron Paul's doing great, and they're really throwing it at him, I think.

Ron Paul's on the defensive.

TheEvilDetector
12-23-2007, 08:13 AM
Tim is tough on everybody, you guys remember the grilling he gave to Julie Crossdressiani?

This is normal for Tim and Ron has a lot of experience dealing with difficult questions.

Pharoah
12-23-2007, 08:14 AM
Does the Israel lobby own EVERYBODY?

TheEvilDetector
12-23-2007, 08:14 AM
A nice pithy retort, but I'm not sure that was the best analogy -- I mean, Iran could attack Israel, but Israel would retaliate... whereas Mars can neither be attacked nor retaliate. :confused: Or did I miss something clever?

I think he meant to imply that it is futile.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:15 AM
Talking about what he wants to abolish -- talking about Social Security right now.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:17 AM
Talkng about how his district is getting Federal funds and earmarks, but how Ron Paul criticized Katrina aid.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:17 AM
Ron is getting a bit tense.

hazek
12-23-2007, 08:17 AM
Tell us how he's defending him self?

TheEvilDetector
12-23-2007, 08:19 AM
Ron is getting a bit tense.

This is going to be tough for Ron, Tim is mild but deadly.

rancher89
12-23-2007, 08:20 AM
updates??? this is killing me, not on here until 11:00 am

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:20 AM
But he's smiling - they're interrupting each other.

Talking about term limits now.

Ron Paul said he supports term limits.

Now asking about immigration.

Dary
12-23-2007, 08:21 AM
Like always, Ron's brain is going faster than his mouth.

mrchubbs
12-23-2007, 08:22 AM
Lois,

What is your opinion of Ron Paul's responses to these attacks???

USCLaw2010
12-23-2007, 08:22 AM
Russert is raking him over the coals.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:22 AM
"You want to amend the Constritution to say that children born here can't become citizens"

Talking about legalizing drugs now.

hazek
12-23-2007, 08:22 AM
Yea tell us, how is he doing in your opinion?

krott5333
12-23-2007, 08:22 AM
well, hows it going?

Bowie
12-23-2007, 08:23 AM
Like always, Ron's brain is going faster than his mouth.
It's objectively a good sign for a politician, but unfortunately it doesn't come off well for the uneducated; he really ought to hire a Charisma Advisor when he wins the nomination. :p

Ozwest
12-23-2007, 08:24 AM
well, hows it going?
+1:confused:

mrchubbs
12-23-2007, 08:24 AM
I need to know if this is something that I should let my "on the fence" in-laws watch.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:24 AM
Talking about Ron Paul criticiziing the Civil Rights Act.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:25 AM
He's doing great, defending himself, very articulate, regained his composure, he's on a roll.

Talking about Ron criticizing Abe Lincoln and Civil War.
Wow. This is great.

"Slavery was phased out in every other country of the world" "Come on, Tim"...

quickmike
12-23-2007, 08:26 AM
OMG!!!!!!

Ron just called Tim a SMARMY PUNK!!!!!!


jk

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:27 AM
Showing Slim Jims with Ronald Regan and saying that Paul now is criticizing Ron Regan and saying that Ron says Ronald Regan is a failure. Wow.

RJB
12-23-2007, 08:27 AM
So far I don't think any politician came out looking good after getting interviewed by Russert. Huckabee wouldn't even go on...

I don't get to see it for another 30 minutes but I can't see Ron Paul doing worse than flip flop Romney or giggling Giuliani.

Bowie
12-23-2007, 08:27 AM
Talking about Ron Paul criticiziing the Civil Rights Act.


Russert seems to be covering a LOT of ground pretty swiftly! (So he's clearly done his homework.) Is it Ron Paul's succinct and logical answers that are moving the questions forward, or is Russert ruthlessly trying to overwhelm him and not giving him enough time to formulate decent responses?

bclemms
12-23-2007, 08:27 AM
He is handling himself well but this is not an interview that is going to win anyone over. Tim is doing everything he can to try and make him look bad.

JoshLowry
12-23-2007, 08:28 AM
I need to know if this is something that I should let my "on the fence" in-laws watch.

qft, thanks for the play by play

Cyclone177
12-23-2007, 08:28 AM
Russert is tough. Anyone watch him disembowel Giuliani? Hopefully Ron won't be letting out any uncomfortable school girl laughs before he answers.

If they are going back to Abe Lincoln's era to get tough with Ron, this should be rwnage to the max.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:28 AM
"Why are you using his picture in your brochure?"

Saying that Ron said "Bush is a bumb" and telling how he criticizes Bush, etc. "Bush is a bumb"

This is too much.

quickmike
12-23-2007, 08:29 AM
He is handling himself well but this is not an interview that is going to win anyone over. Tim is doing everything he can to try and make him look bad.

Of course he is. He does that to every candidate. Why would Ron be any different?
Everyone needs to relax and realize that Tim isnt going to softball questions to anyone.

hazek
12-23-2007, 08:29 AM
Lois, omg please don't just say what they talk about, but how Ron is doing as well!!

GoRon2008
12-23-2007, 08:30 AM
youtube?!?

hypnagogue
12-23-2007, 08:30 AM
youtube?!? It'd be wonderful if we could youtube while something happened. Maybe someday!

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:31 AM
He's wearing Ron down a bit.

Will you run as an independent in 2008? Absolute promise?

No, he won't promise. "99.9999%. I don't like absolutist terms in politics."

"Have you asked the other candidates that? Ask them, too"

Asking about Mike Huckabee Cross commercial now.

Showing Ron being asked about the commercial and saying how "when Fascism comes, it will be wrapped in a cross, etc..."

Ozwest
12-23-2007, 08:31 AM
Lois, omg please don't just say what they talk about, but how Ron is doing as well!!
+1:confused:

kevinblack
12-23-2007, 08:31 AM
The tougher the questions the better. At least now Ron has a chance to defend himself.

Any of the issues posted so far in this forum could have been really bad if they appeared out of thin air the day before the election.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:32 AM
"This was not personal..." (commercial of Huckabee)

"Do you think we're close to Fascism?"

"I think we're very close, we're moving in that direction"

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:33 AM
To be continued, next Sunday Huckabee and Obama on Meet the Press next Sunday.

krott5333
12-23-2007, 08:34 AM
its over?

tyler477
12-23-2007, 08:34 AM
ha!
"ask the other candidates that too!"
way to stick it to him Paul!:p

pacelli
12-23-2007, 08:34 AM
He got 30 minutes? WTF ?

PINN4CL3
12-23-2007, 08:34 AM
He is handling himself well but this is not an interview that is going to win anyone over. Tim is doing everything he can to try and make him look bad.


Oh I disagree. This is the best interview of any of the candidates that I've seen, and I've been watching meet the press for years. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone go after Tim on the quotes like Ron has. He was absolutely fearless, and answered every question.

He also came up with a huge highlight reel speech earlier, talking about how "we don't need the patriot act, we don't need surveillance...etc." I think that resonated with alot of people.

I am incredibly impressed.

azminuteman
12-23-2007, 08:35 AM
30 minutes for the Dr. Now to break him down by the pundits.

Tim didn't give him enough time to respond to the earmarks either.

Rex
12-23-2007, 08:35 AM
All Tim did was quote Newspaper articles like they were truth....

Terrible interview IMO

Forefall
12-23-2007, 08:35 AM
Ron Paul was awesome.

Ozwest
12-23-2007, 08:35 AM
That's all the time he got?

tyler477
12-23-2007, 08:35 AM
hey guys! put it on youtuuuuuube!

sluggo
12-23-2007, 08:36 AM
Ron Paul handled himself very well. I feel better about this interview than I did about Beck's.

RPatTheBeach
12-23-2007, 08:36 AM
qft, thanks for the play by play

If the in-laws are thinkers, it won't hurt.

If they are susceptible to sensationalism, steer clear!

Cyclone177
12-23-2007, 08:36 AM
Oh I disagree. This is the best interview of any of the candidates that I've seen, and I've been watching meet the press for years. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone go after Tim on the quotes like Ron has. He was absolutely fearless, and answered every question.

He also came up with a huge highlight reel speech earlier, talking about how "we don't need the patriot act, we don't need surveillance...etc." I think that resonated with alot of people.

I am incredibly impressed.


Yes!! This is the perfect way to start my Sunday. MTP is just right for Ron.

Trassin
12-23-2007, 08:36 AM
That's all the time he got?

Yeah but sounds like Huck and Obama will only get a 1/2 hour each next week too.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:36 AM
Sorry, but it was hard to type and listen and watch at the same time.

It's on a commercial now. Ron Paul did great, except for he was a bit thrown for a loop at the beginning when Russert started in straight away attacking him -- wow.

You're gonna love this. I did.

Anyway, like I said, he quickly regained his composure and started to defend himself very well and kept in lock step answering each accusation greatly.:)

RPatTheBeach
12-23-2007, 08:37 AM
Quote of the interview

"How many other candidates have you asked this question to? Have you asked John McCain if HE'S going to run as independent?"

tyler477
12-23-2007, 08:37 AM
Oh I disagree. This is the best interview of any of the candidates that I've seen, and I've been watching meet the press for years. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone go after Tim on the quotes like Ron has. He was absolutely fearless, and answered every question.

He also came up with a huge highlight reel speech earlier, talking about how "we don't need the patriot act, we don't need surveillance...etc." I think that resonated with alot of people.

I am incredibly impressed.

sounds to me like a good interview...... this from the guy that asked bush and kerry about skull n bones!

Eponym_mi
12-23-2007, 08:37 AM
UGH...very high winds today and my cable has been out. Its a conspiracy!!

Ozwest
12-23-2007, 08:37 AM
Oh I disagree. This is the best interview of any of the candidates that I've seen, and I've been watching meet the press for years. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone go after Tim on the quotes like Ron has. He was absolutely fearless, and answered every question.

He also came up with a huge highlight reel speech earlier, talking about how "we don't need the patriot act, we don't need surveillance...etc." I think that resonated with alot of people.

I am incredibly impressed.

Relief!!!

Thank you.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:37 AM
Russert said they're going to discuss the various candidates commercials when they come back.

ne1buthilary
12-23-2007, 08:37 AM
only caught the second half but RP did excellent!!! my family was sitting around watching it and they all agreed

JMO
12-23-2007, 08:37 AM
I felt Ron Paul did very well. I don't think Tim understood what Ron Paul was saying about earmarks and then Tim cut him off without letting him finish.

shadow26
12-23-2007, 08:38 AM
Yes!! This is the perfect way to start my Sunday. MTP is just right for Ron.

Now they'll spend half an hour ripping him apart without Paul in place to defend himself...

Cyclone177
12-23-2007, 08:38 AM
You want to watch something Ugly and uncomforatble? Wath next week when Huckster meets his maker. THOSE are going to be some tough tough questions.

tyler477
12-23-2007, 08:38 AM
Quote of the interview

"How many other candidates have you asked this question to? Have you asked John McCain if HE'S going to run as independent?"

HAHAHAH!!! this is so freakin' CLASSIC
WAY 2 GO PAUL!!!:):):):):)

Jimmy
12-23-2007, 08:39 AM
He did EVERYTHING he could tto make Ron Paul look bad.....every question was a hard ball.....Ron handled it all pretty well....I'll say this, if the other candiates would have been drilled like that they would have been up under the table....but Ron answered everything pretty well. Nothing that would win sheep over but I thought it was pretty good overall.

kimosabi
12-23-2007, 08:40 AM
Live Feed ==> http://www.justin.tv/ronpaulcolorado

evadmurd
12-23-2007, 08:40 AM
I felt Ron Paul did very well. I don't think Tim understood what Ron Paul was saying about earmarks and then Tim cut him off without letting him finish.

Oh, I'm sure he understood. Russert is an expert at realizing what is getting traction and what is not. Sounds like that may be why they are moving so quickly through the topics. I can't wait to see it.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:40 AM
Yes, it was a great interview.

Showing all the numbers of the various polls now.

New Hampshure - 10% Huckabee, Ron - 8%

"No Frontrunner" says the red headed guy.

bclemms
12-23-2007, 08:40 AM
Oh I disagree. This is the best interview of any of the candidates that I've seen, and I've been watching meet the press for years. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone go after Tim on the quotes like Ron has. He was absolutely fearless, and answered every question.

He also came up with a huge highlight reel speech earlier, talking about how "we don't need the patriot act, we don't need surveillance...etc." I think that resonated with alot of people.

I am incredibly impressed.


I don't watch Meet the Press so you may be right. However, he had Dr. Paul on the ropes several times. He got him to say he was misquoted several times. He had Paul say Reagan was a complete failure then Tim asked Paul why he tries to associate himself with Reagan if he was a complete failure.

I'm not saying Dr. Paul will lose votes over this but I don't see him gaining any ground.

I may have just higher expectations after watching the Politics and Eggs meeting the other day where Paul was the best I have seen him.

It was a very tough interview and Paul handled it well I just think he hit a sacrifice fly instead of the home run I am used to seeing.

JMO
12-23-2007, 08:40 AM
I felt the quote of the interview was when Tim Russert pressed him on "whether we would defend Israel if Iran attacked them". In Paul response he said that it isn't going to happen, that's like saying what if Iran attacks Mars.

USCLaw2010
12-23-2007, 08:40 AM
The staff should have done a better job in prepping Ron for Russert's attacks. Obviously you can't prepare for everything, but you knew some of that stuff was gonna be used. Ron did good, but it woulda been better to refute the attacks with concrete facts.

krott5333
12-23-2007, 08:41 AM
You want to watch something Ugly and uncomforatble? Wath next week when Huckster meets his maker. THOSE are going to be some tough tough questions.

Huckabee has so much dirt on him that if Russert actually does his homework, Huckabee is DONE

MindStalker
12-23-2007, 08:42 AM
30 Minutes was what was given to the other canidates as well. Calm down

Watch the other interviews at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

familydog
12-23-2007, 08:44 AM
I wouldn't suggest showing this interview to people in order to get them to know Paul's position on issues. This is more of showing it to someone incase they think Paul is inconssistent on some issues. This is good to show to refute those inconsistancies. I'm not suprised by the interview. This is the way Russert does all of his segments so it's not just some anti-Ron Paul thing. I can't say that it hurt him, and it might have helped him to get some things aired out. Overall, good job.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:44 AM
They're criticizing Romney now -- said Romney will say anything to get the nomination...


Showing Democrat polls

Xanax Nation
12-23-2007, 08:45 AM
Frustrating that Tim wouldn't let Ron get some of his points across... :mad:

TheEvilDetector
12-23-2007, 08:46 AM
Huckabee has so much dirt on him that if Russert actually does his homework, Huckabee is DONE

Huckabee will self-destruct.

rightcoast
12-23-2007, 08:47 AM
This is not an interview to let "on the fence" relatives watch. I watch MTP on occasion, and you never, ever send anyone to a Russert interview if you want them to have a good impression of your guy.

Paul handled himself fairly, but I don't think he had the benefit of knowing some of those quotes were from 88, though some he did know that.

He should have hammered the Dondero point home more. Fired. I fired him because he was a bad employee, and he is now very bitter.

He should have stuck to Reagan more. Something like "People need to understand, when you are mad at a friend you will be more direct than with people you don't agree with or know. I was very mad at Ron and it showed." then went on to explain why he said those things.

A fair interview. I think before anyone gets to bent out of shape ... wait until you see what this guy does to Huckabee. Huckabee is toast.

Mike S.
12-23-2007, 08:47 AM
I guess it is what I expected. Russert digging up stuff and confronting. But that is what he does with all the candidates.

literatim
12-23-2007, 08:47 AM
The kinda people that watch Meet the Press are the kind that are used to this maliciousness of Russert. I believe he gained ground. It showed Ron Paul's mental agility in answering unexpected questions.

webber53
12-23-2007, 08:47 AM
I think in light of our candidates age, the schedule that he has
maintained and the endless onslaught of negative mainstream
media, I just witnessed our champion just slay another dragon!
This man never ceases to amaze me. Everyone please keep
Ron Paul in your prayers. We would also do well in sending
Dr. Paul a note telling him how proud we are of him!

ifthenwouldi
12-23-2007, 08:48 AM
The staff should have done a better job in prepping Ron for Russert's attacks. Obviously you can't prepare for everything, but you knew some of that stuff was gonna be used. Ron did good, but it woulda been better to refute the attacks with concrete facts.

You don't have to prepare Ron Paul because he actually believes in his answers.

This was an "okay" interview for Paul, and I think it made Russert look worse. If I were running for president, I would refuse to answer a four-word quote (not even a complete sentence, much less a paragraph) from over a decade ago. That's not journalism.

Ron took a hit on the "earmark" question because he didn't articulate his stand on that as well as he should have. Not sure I agree with him there, either.

Dieseler
12-23-2007, 08:48 AM
Anyone have a youtube link?

kevinblack
12-23-2007, 08:49 AM
I am listening to the live feed now, it seems to be going AWESOME by Meet the Press standards!

Alabama Supporter
12-23-2007, 08:49 AM
I'll bet the quotes about facism/corporatism won't make the headlines. He hit the medical, miliary, communications, and government industrial complex square on the head this morning with a great couple of sentences.

IHaveaDream
12-23-2007, 08:49 AM
Dr. Paul has the right idea, but he simply does not convey "leadership" quality. He was not as prepared for Russert's questions as he should have been. For instance, when asked how many troops he would bring home, or how much the total income tax revenue is, RP didn't know...but Russert did.

In the post-interview discussions, the pundits haven't even mentioned RP's name so far. As far as they're concerned, he's a joke.

Dr. Paul has the right message, and I respect his integrity, but they will eat him alive if he doesn't improve his ability to communicate his thoughts and ideas.

werdd
12-23-2007, 08:50 AM
Youtubbeeee

PINN4CL3
12-23-2007, 08:50 AM
The kinda people that watch Meet the Press are the kind that are used to this maliciousness of Russert. I believe he gained ground. It showed Ron Paul's mental agility in answering unexpected questions.

I agree, I'm not sure what people are expecting. Tim is a tough interviewer. People that are watching are watching how Paul recovers, and continues to get his points across.


He did very well at that. I've literally seen candidates self-destruct on that show - just this year alone Giuliani, Romney, and Richardson. Paul had reasons behind all of his choices, and showed that he actually had a platform worth running on.


That's what people who watch MTP are going to take away from this.

literatim
12-23-2007, 08:51 AM
This is great because I am sure those neocons were salivating over what Russert would dig up. They've got no dirt on the good doctor, but what they fabricate in your own collective mind. :)

familydog
12-23-2007, 08:51 AM
The kinda people that watch Meet the Press are the kind that are used to this maliciousness of Russert. I believe he gained ground. It showed Ron Paul's mental agility in answering unexpected questions.

Yes, it made Paul look like he can handle these tough questions. I've seen Russert completely melt down other candidates (i.e. Santorum last year for Senate) when Russert asked if you believe life begins at conception and abortion is the murder of a human being why don't you arrest the pregnant women who have them and charge them with murder. It's art, really it is.

JMO
12-23-2007, 08:51 AM
Two questions I was surprised he did not ask were about the racist quotes that showed up 17 years ago in Texas Straight Talk, and the $500 donated by Don Black.

Lois
12-23-2007, 08:52 AM
Oh, sh** - the guys are saying Huckabee's commercial was the first and the best. :eek:

Ozwest
12-23-2007, 08:53 AM
Live Feed ==> http://www.justin.tv/ronpaulcolorado
Thanks for that kimosabi.

He sounded pretty good to me. Spirited.

Alabama Supporter
12-23-2007, 08:53 AM
If you are interested MTP does have a video and audio podcast they will release today or tomorrow maybe.

kevinblack
12-23-2007, 08:54 AM
For instance, when asked how many troops he would bring home, or how much the total income tax revenue is, RP didn't know...but Russert did.
.

I worry about this too, the numbers are so good that it is surprising that he does not whip them out whenever he can.

1999 Budget 1800 billion
2006 budget 2700 billion
________________________
difference: 900 billion

2006 Income Tax 900billion

If all we do is roll back budgets to 1999 levels we can cut income tax.

kimosabi
12-23-2007, 08:54 AM
Thanks for that kimosabi.

He sounded pretty good to me. Spirited.
No Problemo...

garrettwombat
12-23-2007, 08:54 AM
its coming on for me in 10 minutes at 10am... i didnt want to read the thread for spoil alert reasons. but is it a good interview? i dont want to watch it if its a ron paul smear parade.

JMO
12-23-2007, 08:54 AM
Dr. Paul has the right idea, but he simply does not convey "leadership" quality. He was not as prepared for Russert's questions as he should have been. For instance, when asked how many troops he would bring home, or how much the total income tax revenue is, RP didn't know...but Russert did.

In the post-interview discussions, the pundits haven't even mentioned RP's name so far. As far as they're concerned, he's a joke.

Dr. Paul has the right message, and I respect his integrity, but they will eat him alive if he doesn't improve his ability to communicate his thoughts and ideas.

It is always easy to know the answer if you know exactly what you are going to ask
and research it. I doubt many if any candidates know the answer to that question. You will never know the answer to every question.The only remark I can ever fault Ron Paul for not knowing was when he didn't know who Johnny Sutton was, and that wouldn't be a big deal if he was the congressmen for New York, but the Sutton situation was in Texas.

JMO
12-23-2007, 08:56 AM
its coming on for me in 10 minutes at 10am... i didnt want to read the thread for spoil alert reasons. but is it a good interview? i dont want to watch it if its a ron paul smear parade.

I enjoyed it and I think Ron Paul did well, better than Romney and Rudy G.

i2ambler
12-23-2007, 08:57 AM
Dr. Paul has the right idea, but he simply does not convey "leadership" quality. He was not as prepared for Russert's questions as he should have been. For instance, when asked how many troops he would bring home, or how much the total income tax revenue is, RP didn't know...but Russert did.

In the post-interview discussions, the pundits haven't even mentioned RP's name so far. As far as they're concerned, he's a joke.

Dr. Paul has the right message, and I respect his integrity, but they will eat him alive if he doesn't improve his ability to communicate his thoughts and ideas.


Yes, Im unsure why RP would not know how many troops are overseas, or how much our income tax revenue is, especially when that is a big part of his platform. Hell, I knew how many troops were overseas, and Im not running for president. He has great ideas, he just needs to solidify this stuff. This interview was not impressive, for me. if I wanted to bring the troops home, and cut the IRS - i would know some facts. He REALLY should have known those numbers. I think he is a bit too abstract in his thinking - its ok on one side, but he needs FACTS to back up this abstract stuff.

TheEvilDetector
12-23-2007, 08:57 AM
Dr. Paul has the right idea, but he simply does not convey "leadership" quality. He was not as prepared for Russert's questions as he should have been. For instance, when asked how many troops he would bring home, or how much the total income tax revenue is, RP didn't know...but Russert did.

In the post-interview discussions, the pundits haven't even mentioned RP's name so far. As far as they're concerned, he's a joke.

Dr. Paul has the right message, and I respect his integrity, but they will eat him alive if he doesn't improve his ability to communicate his thoughts and ideas.

I think your post touches upon a fundamental point.

In the beginning Paul's main concern was to simply provide the message, which is essentially a philosophical shift in governance.

Having established traction and gained a healthy measure of support, he ought to now move into phase 2 where he starts to grapple with some specifics applicable to his policies.

I do not blame him for lacking certain specifics during the interview because you have to remember, all this time his main concern was to provide the philosophical fundamentals.

You are right, he now ought to bring some specifics to the discourse (although not too much, since this can also work against you) to help solidify his stances.

General Budget numbers, troop numbers, federal department staffing numbers and other things of similar nature would help his argument.

CAT5 Cane
12-23-2007, 08:58 AM
It was a vintage hard-hitting interview by Tim Russert. He must have had his researchers working overtime to dig up dirt on Ron. Sickening, but not surprising. Ron is now being treated as a threat by the corporate establishment and their media mouthpieces.

Paul handled himself well under Russert's bright-light interrogation. They did not pull out his fingernails on camera.

CAT5 Cane

Rob
12-23-2007, 08:58 AM
It'd be wonderful if we could youtube while something happened. Maybe someday!

Oh great we've got another toaster on these forums. This one looks like it's of the old-school variety though. If there's anything these forums have taught me, it's that Cylons are surprisingly individualistic. Maybe that's good news for Adama & co; I'll make sure I send the Admiral the memo.

wfd40
12-23-2007, 08:59 AM
I think this interview will show us what the heck HQ has been up to (or not been up to) for the past week or so...

(I swear to god, if they did not prepare the good dr. well enough, I will go awall)

USCLaw2010
12-23-2007, 08:59 AM
You don't have to prepare Ron Paul because he actually believes in his answers.

This was an "okay" interview for Paul, and I think it made Russert look worse. If I were running for president, I would refuse to answer a four-word quote (not even a complete sentence, much less a paragraph) from over a decade ago. That's not journalism.

Ron took a hit on the "earmark" question because he didn't articulate his stand on that as well as he should have. Not sure I agree with him there, either.

What I mean by prepping is by working with the candidate to make sure he has accurate information at his fingertips to refute attacks. Nobody can remember every quote and stat thrown at them. The reason you get a staff is so they can give that stuff to you.

kimosabi
12-23-2007, 09:00 AM
It was a vintage hard-hitting interview by Tim Russert. He must have had his researchers working overtime to dig up dirt on Ron. Sickening, but not surprising. Ron is now being treated as a threat by the corporate establishment and their media mouthpieces.

Paul handled himself well under Russert's bright-light interrogation. They did not pull out his fingernails on camera.

CAT5 Cane
It was great how Ron Paul associated Corporatism with Fascism at the end.

I love it when the F Bomb is Dropped...

FrankRep
12-23-2007, 09:01 AM
It was great how Ron Paul associated Corporatism with Fascism at the end.

I love it when the F Bomb is Dropped...

Who dropped it?

TheEvilDetector
12-23-2007, 09:02 AM
Oh great we've got another toaster on these forums. This one looks like it's of the old-school variety though. If there's anything these forums have taught me, it's that Cylons are surprisingly individualistic. Maybe that's good news for Adama & co; I'll make sure I send the Admiral the memo.

I am sorry, but can you please translate your post for me?

kimosabi
12-23-2007, 09:02 AM
Who dropped it?
Fascism Bomb, not the other F Bomb...

MsDoodahs
12-23-2007, 09:02 AM
Watching it now.

PINN4CL3
12-23-2007, 09:03 AM
Oh man, some guy is shouting out Ron on the Chris Matthews show!


Chris has a segment on "best move" of 2007. Ron Paul was not given as a choice, but the last guy went out on his own, and said Ron anyway!

Props to that guy, whoever he is.

hypnagogue
12-23-2007, 09:03 AM
I am sorry, but can you please translate your post for me? It's nerd speak ;)

azminuteman
12-23-2007, 09:03 AM
30 Minutes was what was given to the other canidates as well. Calm down

Watch the other interviews at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

I watched the Guiliani one and he had about 50 minutes

ValidusCustodiae
12-23-2007, 09:05 AM
Go Dr. Paul! He is so polite, he knows just how to get his point across without being rude. Some of Dr. Paul's responses this morning were obviously more than Russert could comprehend. Hell, Russert was assuming lonely newspaper quotes were 100% factual.

While I agree this interview probably didn't win many people over (especially anti-pauls) I'm sure it exposed him to a lot of people who were previously unaware of him. We'll get a little more support thanks to this one.

I, too, am surprised that white supremacy or abortion didn't come up.

FrankRep
12-23-2007, 09:06 AM
Go Dr. Paul! He is so polite, he knows just how to get his point across without being rude. Some of Dr. Paul's responses this morning were obviously more than Russert could comprehend. Hell, Russert was assuming lonely newspaper quotes were 100% factual.

While I agree this interview probably didn't win many people over (especially anti-pauls) I'm sure it exposed him to a lot of people who were previously unaware of him. We'll get a little more support thanks to this one.

I, too, am surprised that white supremacy or abortion didn't come up.

Ron Paul's secret weapon is his humbleness.

ValidusCustodiae
12-23-2007, 09:06 AM
Oh man, some guy is shouting out Ron on the Chris Matthews show!


Chris has a segment on "best move" of 2007. Ron Paul was not given as a choice, but the last guy went out on his own, and said Ron anyway!

Props to that guy, whoever he is.

Youtoob, er it didnae happ'n laddie!

Libertarian
12-23-2007, 09:06 AM
Youtube? pleeeeeeeeeeze! :)

bighairycaveman
12-23-2007, 09:06 AM
That interview was sooooo intense... my armpits were sweating and I couldn't stop shaking. But, as always...Ron Paul pulled through and made Russet look like an idiot. (especially about amending the constitution)

Ozwest
12-23-2007, 09:07 AM
I watched the Guiliani one and he had about 50 minutes

And he got "carved up" in that 50 minutes.:D

MsDoodahs
12-23-2007, 09:07 AM
I think Ron is doing fine, they are now on the Israel question.

hocaltar
12-23-2007, 09:07 AM
youtube??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????

ValidusCustodiae
12-23-2007, 09:07 AM
By the way, Russert did mention Ron Paul's Christmas ad with all the singing grandkids.

Someone should politely inform them, though, that Mike Huckabee's Christmas ad wasn't the first one.

ValidusCustodiae
12-23-2007, 09:09 AM
That interview was sooooo intense... my armpits were sweating and I couldn't stop shaking. But, as always...Ron Paul pulled through and made Russet look like an idiot. (especially about amending the constitution)

Yes, that was classic. "You're a strict Constitutionalist, but you'd amend the Constitution?" "Well yes, amending the Constitution is Constitutional!" (((DUh Tim Get with the program!)))

MsDoodahs
12-23-2007, 09:09 AM
This is really good so far IMO.

I may be too familiar with the ideas, but honestly, Ron is speaking TRUTH and that RINGS inside humans.

ValidusCustodiae
12-23-2007, 09:10 AM
Looks like Central is getting to watch now.

kylejack
12-23-2007, 09:11 AM
I can't believe Dondero got quoted.

Rex
12-23-2007, 09:11 AM
Already came on Central.

runderwo
12-23-2007, 09:12 AM
Yes, Im unsure why RP would not know how many troops are overseas, or how much our income tax revenue is, especially when that is a big part of his platform. Hell, I knew how many troops were overseas, and Im not running for president. He has great ideas, he just needs to solidify this stuff. This interview was not impressive, for me. if I wanted to bring the troops home, and cut the IRS - i would know some facts. He REALLY should have known those numbers. I think he is a bit too abstract in his thinking - its ok on one side, but he needs FACTS to back up this abstract stuff.

On the other hand, if he quotes a figure, the media will find some other equally plausible figure and use it to "show" that he doesn't know his numbers...

MsDoodahs
12-23-2007, 09:12 AM
Ron is BRILLIANT.

I swear to God that man is BRILLIANT.

krott5333
12-23-2007, 09:12 AM
im watching it now, it started at 10..

so far, Ron Paul is on FIRE! woooohooooo

llepard
12-23-2007, 09:13 AM
This is killing me.

It doesn't start here for another 10 minutes.

Dondero, ugh, they are out to smear him.

Overall, someone summarize.

Is this good for RP or bad. One to ten scale how did RP do?

stefans
12-23-2007, 09:13 AM
is anyone youtubing it?

Rob
12-23-2007, 09:14 AM
It's nerd speak ;)

I intentionally made that as esoteric as possible, looks like I did a good job. ;)
It was interesting seeing the old school ones on Razor, wasn't it? Or are you not a fan of the new series?

parocks
12-23-2007, 09:14 AM
Two questions I was surprised he did not ask were about the racist quotes that showed up 17 years ago in Texas Straight Talk, and the $500 donated by Don Black.

They're gonna need that for later. It ain't too bad though.

AMack
12-23-2007, 09:15 AM
James Ostrowski from LRC seems to think that Ron did fantastic. In his words, an A+++

jeff_from_VA
12-23-2007, 09:15 AM
I saw a lot of people say Ron did great. I thought he had his ass handed to him. I watched it in horror. It was the worst Ron Paul interview I have seen to date. I have not watched Tim before, so don't know if that is par for the course, but he seemed brutal.

hypnagogue
12-23-2007, 09:15 AM
I haven't had cable in years, so I haven't seen much of the new series. I hear good things mostly.

MsDoodahs
12-23-2007, 09:16 AM
Now they're doing earmarks.

RPFTW!
12-23-2007, 09:16 AM
So how did Ron do and how did the interview go on a scale of 1-10?

DealzOnWheelz
12-23-2007, 09:16 AM
youtube anyone?

LibertyRevolution
12-23-2007, 09:17 AM
Yeah this interview is very pushy. and they are trying to rape him. pointing out his earmarks

LinearChaos
12-23-2007, 09:17 AM
I shook my head when I saw a quote from Dondero, lol. What a joke that guy is.

Dr. Paul did fine. It was a tough interview.

I really liked when Russert pressed him about the independent run, and the last thing Paul got out was, "Why don't you ask John McCain that question when he comes on." That was awesome because there are whispers of McCain/Leiberman trying something like that.

MsDoodahs
12-23-2007, 09:17 AM
Ron defended the earmark issue perfectly.

LinearChaos
12-23-2007, 09:17 AM
I would score it 8/10, and not because of Dr. Paul, because of the questions russert asked.

stevedasbach
12-23-2007, 09:17 AM
Oh man, some guy is shouting out Ron on the Chris Matthews show!


Chris has a segment on "best move" of 2007. Ron Paul was not given as a choice, but the last guy went out on his own, and said Ron anyway!

Props to that guy, whoever he is.

Andrew Sullivan. He endorsed Ron for the Republican nomination.

ValidusCustodiae
12-23-2007, 09:18 AM
He knocked the curve balls out of the park and left Tim scurrying to throw the next ones. Tim tried to make him look incompetent, but while Ron Paul may be getting on in years he is far from ready for the pasture. Unless it's the White House lawn, that is. :D

rooteroa
12-23-2007, 09:19 AM
No, he made Ron Paul look pretty bad. My parents who are undecided think it's going bad so far. We're just biased.

jeff_from_VA
12-23-2007, 09:19 AM
Ron defended the earmark issue perfectly.

What? He got owned on the earmark issue.

Trassin
12-23-2007, 09:19 AM
So how did Ron do and how did the interview go on a scale of 1-10?

I don't think you are going to be able to find any two people who will give you the same score. It is by far RP's most "forceful" interview but at the same time Tim is a professional and very very good at his job. RP takes a lot of hits from things he is quoted as saying during the '88 campaign.

One plus is that he gets plenty of time to explain why he takes the positions he does.

LinearChaos
12-23-2007, 09:19 AM
Yes, by the end of the Interview Russert looked wierd.

Bossobass
12-23-2007, 09:20 AM
Hell, I knew how many troops were overseas, and Im not running for president.

Since Blackwater's mercenaries, the CIA and other civilian subcontractors are not included in any estimates of the total US occupation force, no, you don't know the numbers. You're probably off by 6 figures.

Black ops money, oil companies' involvement, details of the 14 permanent bases, the total number of the American presence, troops from other countries that are there at the behest of the US, etc., etc., are not common knowledge. When RP says we should come home, he means we should come home. As commander-in-chief he would deal with the withdrawal in detail with the joint chiefs and the various intelligence agencies involved to make that happen.

His knowing the exact numbers or the exact withdrawal plans for Tim Russert's (or anyone else's) gratification is irrelevant, and not an appropriate question, IMHO.

The same goes for the elimination of the IRS. Since the military's massive budget is intertwined with many agencies and includes trillions of 'lost' dollars, it would be lunacy to describe the exact timetables for such an historic achievement.

It suffices to say that the plan would be to drastically cut military and other Empire expenditures (which a President can move unilaterally to do) before turning to domestic spending cuts which can only be achieved by consensus and working with Congress.

Do you really think Russert would have allowed the proper time to discuss these issues?

Bosso

whutaboutbob
12-23-2007, 09:20 AM
Mixed feelings really, Russert had his facts in front of him.. Ron did not?

:confused:

Rob
12-23-2007, 09:20 AM
I haven't had cable in years, so I haven't seen much of the new series. I hear good things mostly.

Did you know the last 2-hour special was all about the old Cylons?

Trassin
12-23-2007, 09:21 AM
What? He got owned on the earmark issue.

I think he did a good job considering there isn't really a good way to handle that.

He laughed about it and basically said that he is just trying to get his constituents money back for them.

ValidusCustodiae
12-23-2007, 09:21 AM
What? He got owned on the earmark issue.

How did he get owned? If anything, he defended his position perfectly. Tim didn't really give him a chance to explain himself, but he got it in anyway.

rooteroa
12-23-2007, 09:21 AM
Is Russert stupid? He implies amending the constitution is unconstitutional?

merrimac
12-23-2007, 09:22 AM
I haven't seen it yet (can't wait) but if there's anyone who has seen and wishes he had done better, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35s17704Qsw

It will make you feel better. :)

i2ambler
12-23-2007, 09:22 AM
What? He got owned on the earmark issue.

I dont know, I thought Ron got his ass kicked on that one too, but my girlfriend isnt political and said his answer made sense.. use the earmark like a tax credit and try and give back to his constituents.

krott5333
12-23-2007, 09:22 AM
So how did Ron do and how did the interview go on a scale of 1-10?


so far? 7

wfd40
12-23-2007, 09:23 AM
anyone else notice the color totally return to Paul's face???

He was waaaaay off in the early 5-10 minutes... but then, THE COLOR Returned...

And he's been on ever since.. AMAZING

werdd
12-23-2007, 09:23 AM
we are likely much more critical than the average every weekend MTP viewer. 3 million of them mind you.

Trassin
12-23-2007, 09:23 AM
Is Russert stupid? He implies amending the constitution is unconstitutional?

That's not what he implied. What he was going for there was pushing RP towards the position of looking like he just wants to change the constitution when he doesn't agree with it.

Duckman
12-23-2007, 09:24 AM
Saw it... not sure if it was good or bad. I'll have to watch it again. It definitely started out good, but RP started stammering at a few points and contradicting things that I didn't think at the time he should contradict.

sunny
12-23-2007, 09:24 AM
the doc was brilliant - again! he handled himself just fine.
he was spirited and got me chuckling quite a few times.
he was at the top of his game i think and came back well with all the barbs.
i loved it when he waved his hand and told russert a few times
he was confused. he was right.

russert was trying to slime with msm media quotes - what a joke!
newsflash tim - it's msm bs.

i really loved the one "iran invading israel is like iran invading mars..."
it ain't gonna happen...

Ozwest
12-23-2007, 09:24 AM
This interview has to be taken in context.

Compared to other Presidential candidates I've seen interviewed by Russert, Ron did extremely well.

He also came across as "genuine," which the other candidates did not achieve.

joelfarm
12-23-2007, 09:24 AM
Russert is like a D.A. attacking a defendant on the stand when he wants, gives puff-pieces when he wants. Fawned all over queen hillary, watch next week, Obama will not face half of what Dr. Paul withstood.
HE is a great Statesman and as all of us, learns from life and yes, sometimes we have to reavauate or thought process. THAT is what makes us human! Has none of the other Presidential candidates NEVER changed their position on an issue?? I hope they do not go up there and refuse to listen to someone with a belief different from theirs? The great thing is if we have a doubt, GO to the document. Go to the Constitution. THAT will answer your question as to if something is right.

Jimmy
12-23-2007, 09:24 AM
So how did Ron do and how did the interview go on a scale of 1-10?

It went as well as could considering ALL the questions were aimed at trying to paint Paul in a bad light. Paul handled it pretty well...especially when you consider he was cut off serveral times ...once Ron Paul started turning it around....he'd get cut off and Tim would move on to another smear attempt. I'd say it went very well...considering.

mavtek
12-23-2007, 09:24 AM
They're gonna need that for later. It ain't too bad though.

No, it's just nothing a real jounalist would use. These will never be used by a real newspaper or news agency as they are totally baseless and not confirmable.

jeff_from_VA
12-23-2007, 09:24 AM
How did he get owned? If anything, he defended his position perfectly. Tim didn't really give him a chance to explain himself, but he got it in anyway.


When someone who campaigns against earmarks is shown to have used them himself 65 times, and then tries to take the position that he was trying to relieve the taxes of his district by taking some back, I call it pure pwnage.

He got caught with his hand in the same cookie jar everyone else's hand is in. Only it's worse for Ron Paul to have his hand in that cookie jar, as he is campaigning that we need to be on a diet.

hocaltar
12-23-2007, 09:25 AM
Everyone send a thankyou note to Tim Russert. If all interviewers grilled politicians this hard, there would be a lot less shit bags in D.C.

LibertyRevolution
12-23-2007, 09:26 AM
what time did this orignally air?
im eastern time watching it at 10-11am.

Why didnt pual just say that you dont get your rights from being part of a group you get them from your creator as an individual and thus the 14th amendment is useless.

squandertime
12-23-2007, 09:26 AM
scale of 1 - 10
10 being the best

i give it a 9!!!!

he enjoyed it!
he knew the grilling he was going to get- and he knew tim would be in control and he knew it was intentional to try to get him to get angrty or trip up. he did get fustrated- but he was honest- HE WAS HONEST!!- it showed clearly. the end was the best the smile- that confident ron paul - sincere smile- telling everyone he enjoyed the interview.

i love it that he put forward freedom to facsism!!
how mant more wil see it now!!

:o)

LinearChaos
12-23-2007, 09:26 AM
Tim Russert Quoted Dumbdero. How Did Tim Russert Not Own Himself!?

parke
12-23-2007, 09:27 AM
Would Somebody Post A Link Please????

LibertyRevolution
12-23-2007, 09:27 AM
is there no comericals in this show?

stefans
12-23-2007, 09:28 AM
When someone who campaigns against earmarks is shown to have used them himself 65 times, and then tries to take the position that he was trying to relive the taxes of his district by taking some back, I call it pure pwnage.

He got caught with his hand in the same cookie jar everyone else's hand is in. Only it's worse for Ron Paul to have his hand in that cookie jar, as he is campaigning that we need to be on a diet.


I haven't seen the show yet, but ron paul never campaigned against earmarks.
he defended them, as long as they are discussed in the open and not inserted late at night, a short time before voting on the bill.

he thinks that getting rid of earmarks entirely transfers the decisions of how the money is spent in detail to the executive and he's against that.

jeff_from_VA
12-23-2007, 09:28 AM
is there no comericals in this show?

no

IHaveaDream
12-23-2007, 09:28 AM
A lot of supporters here just love Ron Paul and would rate that interview a 10 no matter what. I'm a Ron Paul supporter, but I'm also a long-time political observer with a strong tendency to avoid the "bandwagon" mindset.

In the real world of politics it was not a good interview. Maybe a 4 or 5 at best. He was completely ignored during the post-interview discussion. That says it all.

Ron Paul clearly has the best message, but people do not elect messages. They elect leaders, and RP does not convey leadership. You may not like these comments, but that's reality. He needs to sharpen his communication skills and go on offense with a noticable increase in strength and confidence.

Otherwise, he needs to pass the baton.

JMO
12-23-2007, 09:29 AM
I dont know, I thought Ron got his ass kicked on that one too, but my girlfriend isnt political and said his answer made sense.. use the earmark like a tax credit and try and give back to his constituents.

It made sense to me. Ron Paul was saying he was just trying to get back some of the money taken from the people he represents rather than have it taken from them and giving it to someone else. What Ron Paul wants is to make it so that no money is taken from anyone, so he won't be forced to work within the current corrupt system of trying to get the money back from the people he represents. Until then he has to work within the system, just like you and I, even though we don't believe in the income tax we claim our tax credits to get the money back that was taken from us, we don't claim 0 out of principle, that would be silly to claim 0 and let the government spend my money instead of me.

kevinblack
12-23-2007, 09:31 AM
When someone who campaigns against earmarks is shown to have used them himself 65 times, and then tries to take the position that he was trying to relive the taxes of his district by taking some back, I call it pure pwnage.

He got caught with his hand in the same cookie jar everyone else's hand is in. Only it's worse for Ron Paul to have his hand in that cookie jar, as he is campaigning that we need to be on a diet.

we need to look into this in more detail.

As far as I remember from the last time I looked at this earmark issue it goes something like this.

First the bill gets designed, at this time Ron Paul gets in earmarks that will help his constituents. This is his JOB.

Then the final bill is constructed and it gets passed out to vote. At this time Ron Paul looks at the whole bill and decides whether it is constitutional or not and votes accordingly. This is his JOB.

As far as I was able to see he ALWAYS voted against the bills with his earmarks. :)

To me this just makes him look good. Can somebody confirm I am not way off base here? If this is correct we need to market it for extra votes

Ozwest
12-23-2007, 09:31 AM
When someone who campaigns against earmarks is shown to have used them himself 65 times, and then tries to take the position that he was trying to relieve the taxes of his district by taking some back, I call it pure pwnage.

He got caught with his hand in the same cookie jar everyone else's hand is in. Only it's worse for Ron Paul to have his hand in that cookie jar, as he is campaigning that we need to be on a diet.

Go research Ron Pauls answer to that question, when he has the sufficient time needed to respond.

LinearChaos
12-23-2007, 09:31 AM
Otherwise, he needs to pass the baton.Who the hell are you? Exactly who is he going to be passing this baton to?

rp08orbust
12-23-2007, 09:32 AM
When someone who campaigns against earmarks is shown to have used them himself 65 times, and then tries to take the position that he was trying to relieve the taxes of his district by taking some back, I call it pure pwnage.

I haven't seen it yet, but did he point out that he ultimately votes against the earmarks by voting against the appropriations bill as a whole? If every Congressman voted like Ron Paul, then there would be no pork.

jeff_from_VA
12-23-2007, 09:32 AM
What Ron Paul wants is to make it so that no money is taken from anyone, so he won't be forced to work within the current corrupt system of trying to get the money back from the people he represents.

Had he used that as an answer, he would have done well with the question.

LibertyRevolution
12-23-2007, 09:32 AM
ok, 31mins i been agrevated by the host. now the fascism question. OMG GO RON GO! WAKE UP AMERICA!

mavtek
12-23-2007, 09:33 AM
When someone who campaigns against earmarks is shown to have used them himself 65 times, and then tries to take the position that he was trying to relieve the taxes of his district by taking some back, I call it pure pwnage.

He got caught with his hand in the same cookie jar everyone else's hand is in. Only it's worse for Ron Paul to have his hand in that cookie jar, as he is campaigning that we need to be on a diet.

You clearly don't understand what Earmarks are, or you aren't really a Ron Paul supporter. Earmarks is money pre set aside for districts, it's going to be used regardless of whether Ron Paul has any say in it. You let your constituents tell their Representative (Ron Paul) what they want them used for. Ron Paul always votes against them though, but he will forward the request of his constituents to congress, it is his job in essence.

wfd40
12-23-2007, 09:33 AM
DAMNNNN.. the end

jufreese
12-23-2007, 09:33 AM
cant believe they didnt show the polls

Edit: spoke too soon

LinearChaos
12-23-2007, 09:33 AM
Had he used that as an answer, he would have done well with the question.

Isn't that what he meant when he said that was ironic that Russert was trying to paint him as part of this corrupt system when that is what his campaigning against?

crasster
12-23-2007, 09:33 AM
That's not what he implied. What he was going for there was pushing RP towards the position of looking like he just wants to change the constitution when he doesn't agree with it.

That's fine, the constitution allows you to amend it if you don't agree with it. Ron advocates amending it correctly and constitutionally.

stefans
12-23-2007, 09:34 AM
we need to look into this in more detail.

As far as I remember from the last time I looked at this earmark issue it goes something like this.

First the bill gets designed, at this time Ron Paul gets in earmarks that will help his constituents. This is his JOB.

Then the final bill is constructed and it gets passed out to vote. At this time Ron Paul looks at the whole bill and decides whether it is constitutional or not and votes accordingly. This is his JOB.

As far as I was able to see he ALWAYS voted against the bills with his earmarks. :)

To me this just makes him look good. Can somebody confirm I am not way off base here?

that's how he explained it in the past. not this time?

Ozwest
12-23-2007, 09:34 AM
A lot of supporters here just love Ron Paul and would rate that interview a 10 no matter what. I'm a Ron Paul supporter, but I'm also a long-time political observer with a strong tendency to avoid the "bandwagon" mindset.

In the real world of politics it was not a good interview. Maybe a 4 or 5 at best. He was completely ignored during the post-interview discussion. That says it all.

Ron Paul clearly has the best message, but people do not elect messages. They elect leaders, and RP does not convey leadership. You may not like these comments, but that's reality. He needs to sharpen his communication skills and go on offense with a noticable increase in strength and confidence.

Otherwise, he needs to pass the baton.

I and many others would disagree with your analysis most vememently!

Lois
12-23-2007, 09:34 AM
Jeff From Va and I Have a Dream --

Who's side are you on, anyway??? :confused:

cska80
12-23-2007, 09:34 AM
Was there even one question that wasn't aimed for putting a negative spin on him the entire interview?

Dieseler
12-23-2007, 09:34 AM
Ron has to represent his district with those earmarks, if he doesn't his district would get screwed when it comes to money, He usually ends up voting no on the bills anyway, but knowing the pigs will pass it anyway he has to represent.

FrankRep
12-23-2007, 09:35 AM
I'm a Ron Paul junkie and I need my Youtube fix.

tsopranos
12-23-2007, 09:35 AM
Don't feed the trolls.

TheHand
12-23-2007, 09:35 AM
To be shown at 8:00am pacific time on NBC Ch. 11 on Directv. Bay Area.

AlexMerced
12-23-2007, 09:35 AM
Overall, I thought Ron Paul did an awesome job of being aggressive

krott5333
12-23-2007, 09:36 AM
Okay, the interview is over.

My overall thought? Very good!

alsis8xmy
12-23-2007, 09:36 AM
Wow he mentioned the freedom to fascism documentary! On balance, I thought it was a great interview, Ron hit all the major points and defended himself very well

jeff_from_VA
12-23-2007, 09:36 AM
Don't feed the trolls.

Who is trolling?

garrettwombat
12-23-2007, 09:36 AM
whats after the 30 minute interview??? worth watching???

JMO
12-23-2007, 09:36 AM
When someone who campaigns against earmarks is shown to have used them himself 65 times, and then tries to take the position that he was trying to relieve the taxes of his district by taking some back, I call it pure pwnage.

He got caught with his hand in the same cookie jar everyone else's hand is in. Only it's worse for Ron Paul to have his hand in that cookie jar, as he is campaigning that we need to be on a diet.

I think thats a very ignorant statement you made, and I fear many people who do not know better will think the same. The money has already been taken from the people, that won't change. It's a question of who will get the money, the people Ron Paul represents, or someone else. Ron Paul wants to change that system, using your example take away the cookie jar, until the cookie jar is gone he is going to make sure he gets money back for the people he represents. I think Ron Paul response was very good. I just wish Tim Russert didn't cut him off and move on to the next topic, so people could better understand how corrupt the system is and how he has to work within the system to get his local thier fair share of the money, that was stolen from them in the first place. Rons first choice would be no money taken from his local and no money given, but money taken from his local and given somewhere else is not acceptable.

MsDoodahs
12-23-2007, 09:36 AM
A lot of supporters here just love Ron Paul and would rate that interview a 10 no matter what. I'm a Ron Paul supporter, but I'm also a long-time political observer with a strong tendency to avoid the "bandwagon" mindset.

In the real world of politics it was not a good interview. Maybe a 4 or 5 at best. He was completely ignored during the post-interview discussion. That says it all.

Ron Paul clearly has the best message, but people do not elect messages. They elect leaders, and RP does not convey leadership. You may not like these comments, but that's reality. He needs to sharpen his communication skills and go on offense with a noticable increase in strength and confidence.

Otherwise, he needs to pass the baton.

You're wrong about that.

Americans do not like slickster politicians, and Americans have a history of electing men who are NOT slick and who are NOT seen as insiders, especially at points where people are looking for change...like now. :)

hypnagogue
12-23-2007, 09:36 AM
Ron Paul clearly has the best message, but people do not elect messages. They elect leaders, and RP does not convey leadership. You may not like these comments, but that's reality. He needs to sharpen his communication skills and go on offense with a noticable increase in strength and confidence. That is certainly a fair political assessment, however, there are reasons that I believe this election may not follow political wisdom. You say people elect leaders and not messages. I ask you then, when was the last time they had a message as an option?

While strength and confidence are noble qualities, there are still others. In the case of Dr. Paul thoughtfulness and honesty. Those are the things I see in his humble speech. I can not say what others see.

literatim
12-23-2007, 09:36 AM
Earmarks go on before they tack on all the other junk that makes the bill horrible. They are nothing but redirection of funds already in the system.

hocaltar
12-23-2007, 09:36 AM
THE YOUTUBE IS HERE!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saDw03JXigA

wfd40
12-23-2007, 09:36 AM
why not the full hour??

Again.. anyone else notice this..

there was a specific moment when the color returned to Dr. Paul's face and he began to take his stride.. pretty amazing to see how different Paul can be when he feels "confident/comfortable"

:)

kevinblack
12-23-2007, 09:37 AM
that's how he explained it in the past. not this time?

He was cut off :(
rather, he went off on a tangent and then he was cut off. It is hard to stay on message.

Still, it did not come out badly. He could have kicked it out of the park.

cska80
12-23-2007, 09:37 AM
So suprised he mentioned Aaron Russos film. I'm also not suprised the entire interview was basically set up to be some sort of hit piece. I think he navigated the minefield pretty well.

RlxdN10sity
12-23-2007, 09:37 AM
I thought it went really well. There did not seem to be any "got ya" moments that Russert is famous for. I was actually impressed to be honest.

Ozwest
12-23-2007, 09:37 AM
Had he used that as an answer, he would have done well with the question.
Well then, criticize his answer, instead of accusing him of wrong-doing!

AlexMerced
12-23-2007, 09:37 AM
Imean Russet job is to be a political hitman, this interview was very tame and positive compared tot he slaughter Romney and Giuliani suffered

MsDoodahs
12-23-2007, 09:38 AM
Was there even one question that wasn't aimed for putting a negative spin on him the entire interview?

No, the entire interview from the first question out of Russerts mouth was an attempted hit/smear.

theshadowranger
12-23-2007, 09:38 AM
Pretty good interview. I'm glad that Tim was tough on Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul handled himself quite well. The absolute best part is when he asked Tim how many other guys does he ask if they will run third party. Tim said that he would ask them that.

Suzu
12-23-2007, 09:38 AM
I thought he did very well. My only criticism is sometimes the way he speaks, it sounds like he doesn't have enough saliva, or maybe too much... whatever it is, keeps him from getting the words out smoothly.

stefans
12-23-2007, 09:38 AM
THE YOUTUBE IS HERE!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saDw03JXigA

I was almost sure this was rick roll...but thank you!

FreeTraveler
12-23-2007, 09:39 AM
I saw a lot of people say Ron did great. I thought he had his ass handed to him. I watched it in horror. It was the worst Ron Paul interview I have seen to date. I have not watched Tim before, so don't know if that is par for the course, but he seemed brutal.

LOL, yeah, you haven't watched MTP before. Tim Russert is probably the toughest interview out there. Go watch some of the other candidates roll over and play dead under Russert's withering glare. The good doctor did GREAT!

Saying it was the worst Ron Paul interview to date is probably very accurate though... but there's no such thing as a good interview with Russert! :D

wfd40
12-23-2007, 09:39 AM
Overall, I thought Ron Paul did an awesome job of being aggressive

right on man... when Tim came at him for the classic 3rd Party question, Paul's aggressive response had me up on my feet.

I've been waiting for that for quite some time.. and whats more, he was rather charming with his answer

ValidusCustodiae
12-23-2007, 09:40 AM
When someone who campaigns against earmarks is shown to have used them himself 65 times, and then tries to take the position that he was trying to relieve the taxes of his district by taking some back, I call it pure pwnage.

He got caught with his hand in the same cookie jar everyone else's hand is in. Only it's worse for Ron Paul to have his hand in that cookie jar, as he is campaigning that we need to be on a diet.

No, because it's not fair for all the other earmarks for all the other districts in all the other states to get funding while his district gets taxed just like the rest and receives none. He runs against earmarks AND federal income tax, you take care of both and they cancel each other out.

IHaveaDream
12-23-2007, 09:40 AM
Who the hell are you? Exactly who is he going to be passing this baton to?

I'm a voter who believes in Ron Paul's message. Dr. Paul is an exceptional man, but unfortunately, he is not a good communicator. If he can't find a way to sell himself more effectively, he should consider finding someone who enthusiatically shares his message and let them carry the torch for this movement.

Driftar
12-23-2007, 09:40 AM
Don't feed the trolls.

Yeah, seriously. The earmark issue is so obvious. If anyone dislikes him for that, go join hannity forums perhaps.

Example: I dislike the idea of federally sponsered WIC checks (women/infant/children). My wife and i have a combined income of 50,000+ (not bad for students working part time). The federal govermerment sends us WIC checks for free babyfood, saving us tons of money. Are we going to take advantage of it even though we disagree with the program? HECK YES!!! Why? Because we pay tons of income tax/social security/medicare.

Incrimsonias
12-23-2007, 09:41 AM
Anyone else think it was a bit eerie how Russert said Be Safe on the campaign trail?