Putting a stop to these racism claims

[Quick]

For months and months, we've been battling people with accusations claiming Ron Paul is a racist. Now, it has gotten worse. Some neo-Nazi has claimed that Ron Paul is a racist and he has had meetings with him.

First off, the most cited source is a newsletter put out back in 1992 (if not older) that had some less than thoughtful things to say about African-Americans.


"His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: “They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn’t come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that’s too confusing. ‘It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it.’” It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time."

Also, on December 6th with an interview on the Stephanie Miller show, he explained it again. (mp3 download (http://69.65.26.137/~ronpaula/RonPaulStephanieMillerShow120607.mp3))

Next, we've been combating the $500 donation from StormFronts.org "leader" Don Black. This has been known for awhile, though recently the AP picked it up. While the title of the articles have been negative, the article itself isn't.

Ron Paul addresses it here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=CrRtZaG63o8 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_UBMO9XPec

Now, we have this.


Comrades:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn't see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul's extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a "small ideology" and claim white activists are "wasting their money" trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don't know that it is necessarily good for Paul to "expose" this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous -- and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.

Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party

Source: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=63682 (btw, pretty hateful site, just a warning)

This is what has been spewed all over the internet. This person has no proof. He is just making this absurd claim. If you read the replies, even the members of that hateful site disagree with this person. They say that he isn't, and that they support him because they like his views on the role of government.

The only "proof" that sites like LittleGreenFootballs (h ttp://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28349& is the address to the garbage) only cite is this: http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00432914/B_PAYEE_C00432914.html

It shows that the campaign spent money at a place called Tara Thai. I guess, from my "research", this place is where these hate groups have meetings. Though, when I read the thread I found this.


"There may be some confusion here between two restaurants in Arlington with similar names. I know for a fact that at different times in the past, both David Irving/AMREN and the National Alliance held several meetings at SALA THAI restaurant in Arlington. I don't know whether AMREN or other alleged "racist" organizations hold "regular" meetings at TARA THAI."

I find it rather ironic that this was announced on the site the same day that the AP picked up the story regarding Don Black's donation.

---------------- racism

So why am I posting all this? It has to stop. If we are going to give these people even an inch in their campaign to smear Ron Paul, we need to fight back (not literally fight, but fight back by educating other people). These people have no proof, no pictures, no documentation. These are just wild claims meant to hurt Ron Paul.

Do what you can to fight these claims, use what I have provided you here if you need to.

[micahnelson]

Ron Paul needs to sue LGF for slander.

[Teflon Master]

I agree with you 100%. I don't want to see Ron Paul supporters split like Stalinists and Trotskyists, but this whole "if we cover our eyes and ignore them and sing la di da everything will be all right" is destructive to the campaign. The MSM WILL run with this. They've lied about Paul in the past, and they will in the future. Now with LGF trolling the blogosphere it can get only worse.

We need to take action.

[rfbz]

I really think this will blow over. the media is starting to realize it's not a big deal, and RP already explained himself a few times on his decision to keep it. That guy on that forum is an idiot, I wouldn't get worked up about it. Btw if you read the comments in that forum, even the guy's followers are starting to think he's a fraud. They think he's infiltrated the movement.

[Teflon Master]

I really think this will blow over. the media is starting to realize it's not a big deal, and RP already explained himself a few times on his decision to keep it. That guy on that forum is an idiot, I wouldn't get worked up about it.

Yeah that is what we said about Ron Paul being filmed receiving a business card from a 9/11 Truther, and the MSM ran with it. people still had the notion that Ron Paul was a 9/11 Truther until a couple nights ago when he laid it to rest. We can't play russian roulette. This is the sake of our country.

[ItsTime]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=61142 :D

[ronpaulitician]

I'm afraid there's no way to undo the mistake Paul made when he didn't immediately denounce the statements made in that newsletter. Paul listening to his political advisors back then was probably one of the biggest mistakes he's made in his career. I'm sure he regrets it now.

The new story about that restaurant, where Paul is supposed to have had weekly meetings ("usually on Wednesdays") should be fairly easy to debunk. If you ask me, someone wrote this after learning that Paul had a meeting there.

[sdczen]

Why doesn't someone contact this Bill White character to verify?

[NewEnd]

Here in washington state..

I Hillary meets with communists from Russia at a place called Bitchin' Burrito. I have seen her there on numerous occasions eating whith shin man choa and Peter Tchiliovisky.

They all get brruitos, and talk about how to turn America into a communist paradise. I even have recipets from the place, porving Hillary prefers a side of sour cream with her nachos.

[NewEnd]

Seriously, teh media has been pumping out big lies the whole time, about paul being fringe, no chance of winning, etc...

...who the hell thinks some two-bit blogger is going to come in and lie, and take Ron Paul down?

This is like people claiming they saw Bush engaging in cocaine sniffing and gay orgies while he was in Yale. there is no proof of it, besides some agenda-driven loser's drivel.

[Quick]

I don't believe hoping it will go away is the best way to approach it. I really do believe this is a concern that the main HQ needs to address. They need to release a statement or something or this is just going to snowball into something worse.

[Teflon Master]

I don't believe hoping it will go away is the best way to approach it. I really do believe this is a concern that the main HQ needs to address. They need to release a statement or something or this is just going to snowball into something worse.

This man knows what he is talking about.

[Menthol Patch]

We need to ignore all of this. The more we bring it up the more attention it gets.

[atilla]

So why am I posting all this? It has to stop. If we are going to give these people even an inch in their campaign to smear Ron Paul, we need to fight back (not literally fight, but fight back by educating other people). These people have no proof, no pictures, no documentation. These are just wild claims meant to hurt Ron Paul.

Do what you can to fight these claims, use what I have provided you here if you need to.

you, are the one promoting it.

[pacelli]

This issue is getting as old as the third party question.

[Quick]

you, are the one promoting it.

Have you not been on any social networking site? It's all over Digg, reddit, all the sites that helped make Ron Paul popular on the internet. I'm just bring it up now before it becomes headlines.

When Ron Paul makes $6 million in one day, wins straw polls, wins online polls, has huge rallies, etc -- no media coverage.

When he refers to fascism and Huckabee, receives donations from Don Black, is polling low, when his ideas are called "kooky" -- tons of media coverage.

I'll shut up about it, won't post again. I'd just hate to sit on my hands and let it get worse. I just get defensive against when I'm defending Ron Paul since he always gets the shaft from the media.

[TheNewYorker]

Black supremacists have donated to Obama. La Raza has donated to Hillary.

It's wrong because the ones that donated to Ron Paul are white?


/mainstream media.

Damn, curse those evil evil white people. They should all be exterminated, whites are just like rats. They are pests.

/mainstream media out.

[Teflon Master]

you, are the one promoting it.


We need to ignore all of this. The more we bring it up the more attention it gets.


Ok, lets play Russian Roulette. Yeah, because that strategy worked wonders with the 9/11 truth/isolationist/blame america angle too. Just be quiet and wait for it die off.

I'm embarrassed.

[Teflon Master]

Black supremacists have donated to Obama. La Raza has donated to Hillary.

It's wrong because the ones that donated to Ron Paul are white?


/mainstream media.

Damn, curse those evil evil white people. They should all be exterminated, whites are just like rats. They are pests.

/mainstream media out.


It's wrong because the MSM will run with it like none other. White supremacists are as equally vile as all of those, but being that the MSM is in the bag with the supposed "top tier" those allegations won't come out.

and lol@ your sig. I will kill myself the day I find pride in the amount of melanin I have in my skin. My skin and people with the same skin tone is nothing to be proud about. Treating folks as individuals is where the pride should come from. Individual pride all day.

[TheIndependent]

Like I've already said, it's really damned easy to fish through a disbursement sheet available online and concoct an entire story about some "secret white cabal" meeting there with Paul. For some attention-whoring, mentally deranged socialist to make it up doesn't surprise me one bit.

If nothing else, it smells an awful like a coordinated smear attempt by LGF and this guy. If you've been following LGF today you'd realize that their site is the one that draws a lot of these supremacists. The very same referer page they post has been blocked from receiving hits all of a sudden from those sites.

I mean, it doesn't even take 10 seconds to see this for what it is: Absolute bullshit.

[TheNewYorker]

and lol@ your sig. I will kill myself the day I find pride in the amount of melanin I have in my skin. My skin and people with the same skin tone is nothing to be proud about. Treating folks as individuals is where the pride should come from. Individual pride all day.

And you are echoing what your masters want you to believe.

Did it occur to you it has nothing to do with the color of skin? There's more to a race than skin color.

I'm proud of my heritage. My family comes from Scotland. I can even trace one of my forefathers about 16 generations ago to being the king of Scotland at one time. I'm proud of my heritage. But the media tells me because I'm white, I'm not allowed to be proud of who I am and where I came from?

Where's the justice in that?

[robpriv]

This story is second-from-top in the Fark politics section. This thing is ugly and about to go supernova. We are in deep trouble.

http://www.fark.com/politics/

[TheIndependent]

This story is second-from-top in the Fark politics section. This thing is ugly and about to go supernova. We are in deep trouble.

http://www.fark.com/politics/

You bet your ass we are, and it's obvious now that we're watching an attempted campaign hijack in progress. Just look at this thread and the numerous others that have cropped up all of a sudden from these 'white nationalists' coming out of the woodwork.

[idrake]

Trying to spread the word...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i97Ia1xMyBo

[videogeek]

There's a big difference between being proud of your heritage and advocating the creation of a state based solely on race. Racism is the lowest form of collectivism, it views individuals in the most simplistic and two dimensional terms of what culture or "color" they come from as opposed to what they are capable of achieving or contributing. Because racists refuse to see humans as individuals, they cannot understand the meaning of the word liberty.

[TheNewYorker]

There's a big difference between being proud of your heritage and advocating the creation of a state based solely on race..

And again, who advocates a state based solely on race? Or is that yet again another stereotype of white nationalists that the mainstream media has shoved down your throat?

[Teflon Master]

And you are echoing what your masters want you to believe.

Did it occur to you it has nothing to do with the color of skin? There's more to a race than skin color.

I'm proud of my heritage. My family comes from Scotland. I can even trace one of my forefathers about 16 generations ago to being the king of Scotland at one time. I'm proud of my heritage. But the media tells me because I'm white, I'm not allowed to be proud of who I am and where I came from?

Where's the justice in that?

What a load of BS. I do agree that the media attacks "white pride" more so than when people proclaim "black pride" or "brown pride". Being proud of your skin color is not inherently racist, but where is the fucking point. You proclaim in your sig that you are a white nationalist and that "white pride" should be accepted to. Sorry if I jumped the gun, but if my calculations are correct you are saying you are proud because of the color of your skin.

I say BS that just because you are white the media frowns on being proud of your heritage. We have fucking holidays celebrating Irish heritage. Lets say, for example, I walk outside and I yell "I AM PROUD OF MY ITALIAN HERITAGE". Most people probably wouldn't think much of it or they would say they are too. But if I go out and say "I AM PROUD OF MY FAIRER MELANIN TONE" people will look at me like I am fucking nuts. That would be because I am. Same thing with "black pride" too. Grouping the accomplishments of Africans together would be dishonest, because cultures and genetic differences are immense. It is ludicrous. On all ends. Being proud of your Scottish heritage is one thing, but being proud of your skin tone which has little to do with anything is another.

[TheNewYorker]

What a load of BS. I do agree that the media attacks "white pride" more so than when people proclaim "black pride" or "brown pride". Being proud of your skin color is not inherently racist, but where is the fucking point. You proclaim in your sig that you are a white nationalist and that "white pride" should be accepted to. Sorry if I jumped the gun, but if my calculations are correct you are saying you are proud because of the color of your skin.

I say BS that just because you are white the media frowns on being proud of your heritage. We have fucking holidays celebrating Irish heritage. Lets say, for example, I walk outside and I yell "I AM PROUD OF MY ITALIAN HERITAGE". Most people probably wouldn't think much of it or they would say they are too. But if I go out and say "I AM PROUD OF MY FAIRER MELANIN TONE" people will look at me like I am fucking nuts. That would be because I am. Same thing with "black pride" too. Grouping the accomplishments of Africans together would be dishonest, because cultures and genetic differences are immense. It is ludicrous. On all ends. Being proud of your Scottish heritage is one thing, but being proud of your skin tone which has little to do with anything is another.

You are truly lost.

[RSLudlum]

Stop fretting about this!!!! We all knew it was coming and if you have any ounce of confidence in our candidate, this is the time to make it stronger. They're trying to test the confidence of his supporters. I'm pretty sure the campaign knew it was gonna happen. I'm pretty sure they have 'disaster relief' plans for this smear stunt.

[Teflon Master]

You are truly lost.

Why? Honestly, tell me where I should find pride in a meaningless biological feature.

[Bob Spruill]

Libertarianism, by definition, is not compatible with racism.

Dr Paul has been a libertarian for even longer than I have been born.

The accusation is obvious garbage.

The scum that made the accusation is pretty much regarded as garbage by his peers. There is no real issue here.

But what if he did talk with people who are racists ?

I work with people who are racists. Should I quit ?

We cannot allow it to become a crime to talk with racists.

Freedom of association and speach is part of what we are about.

Dr Paul is loudly advocating the exact opposite of racism, he advocates individualism.

We should defend him on this from all the angles. Our enemies are evil.

[TheIndependent]

Why? Honestly, tell me where I should find pride in a meaningless biological feature.

Apparently 'white nationalists' can't get past the fact that melanin and location of birth are things none of us have the choice to determine at birth. It's the same for any other group that bases their pride not from individuality, but from a collectivism.

This 'white nationalist' BS is unbelievably antithetical to everything Ron Paul stands. There's no excuse for propagating such a myopic perspective of the world.

[Liberty Star]

We should go on the offensive against those who would try to smear Ron Paul with misleading distortions.


If they want to play dirty, we should ask neocon supporters of bloodshed of Iraq war to declare that they do not support killing of Iraqi people and declare that they are not racists and explain why they support war against a country that did not attack us.
If they want controversy, we should give it to them.



Stormfront founder Don Black endorsed Bush in 2004


Did these idiots write a similar smear piece on Bush or violent cohorts of same machine support Bush because he started Iraq war?

[familydog]

Burying our head in the sand about this issue will only make it worse. If the campaign has a plan for this, they sure need to come out with it now and nip it in the butt while it's still budding. The media loves to build people up only to tear them down. Look at Huckabee. Except in Paul's case, they are going straight for tearing him down.

[videogeek]

Anytime you're talking about nationalism that's white, black , jewish, or god damned purple, you're talking about the elimination of equality under the law and the re-instituting of privilege based on something as inconsequential as heredity. The entire history of western civilization has been one long slow process to throw off the constraints previously imposed on the individual by any factor other than intelligence and ability.

[robpriv]

Burying our head in the sand about this issue will only make it worse. If the campaign has a plan for this, they sure need to come out with it now and nip it in the butt while it's still budding. The media loves to build people up only to tear them down. Look at Huckabee. Except in Paul's case, they are going straight for tearing him down.

I agree. The campaign had better get out in front of this before Russert can use it in the ambush he's planning for Sunday.

[torchbearer]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=61934

claims debunked.

[Highstreet]

For months and months, we've been battling people with accusations claiming Ron Paul is a racist. Now, it has gotten worse. Some neo-Nazi has claimed that Ron Paul is a racist and he has had meetings with him.

First off, the most cited source is a newsletter put out back in 1992 (if not older) that had some less than thoughtful things to say about African-Americans.



Also, on December 6th with an interview on the Stephanie Miller show, he explained it again. (mp3 download (http://69.65.26.137/~ronpaula/RonPaulStephanieMillerShow120607.mp3))

Next, we've been combating the $500 donation from StormFronts.org "leader" Don Black. This has been known for awhile, though recently the AP picked it up. While the title of the articles have been negative, the article itself isn't.

Ron Paul addresses it here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=CrRtZaG63o8 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_UBMO9XPec

Now, we have this.



Source: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=63682 (btw, pretty hateful site, just a warning)

This is what has been spewed all over the internet. This person has no proof. He is just making this absurd claim. If you read the replies, even the members of that hateful site disagree with this person. They say that he isn't, and that they support him because they like his views on the role of government.

The only "proof" that sites like LittleGreenFootballs (h ttp://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28349& is the address to the garbage) only cite is this: http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00432914/B_PAYEE_C00432914.html

It shows that the campaign spent money at a place called Tara Thai. I guess, from my "research", this place is where these hate groups have meetings. Though, when I read the thread I found this.



I find it rather ironic that this was announced on the site the same day that the AP picked up the story regarding Don Black's donation.

---------------- racism

So why am I posting all this? It has to stop. If we are going to give these people even an inch in their campaign to smear Ron Paul, we need to fight back (not literally fight, but fight back by educating other people). These people have no proof, no pictures, no documentation. These are just wild claims meant to hurt Ron Paul.

Do what you can to fight these claims, use what I have provided you here if you need to.


Go here. Read the truth about Paul suggesting an African American VP back in May 2007. Then move on from this issue, or go post it in other forums to shut them up.

This is a non issue.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=61142 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=61142)

[user]

I don't think the VP suggestion is the right way to refute these claims.