Protest at NewOrleans, RP Banners

[conner_condor]

Housing protest is going on and people getting peppered sprayed. I seen couple RP revolution banners . On MSNBC

[Ethek]

wow

[rollingpig]

youtube plz!!!!

[anarchy]

youtube anyone? this could be huge

[DXDoug]

Its events like these we gotta be at !

Freedom is a need for all people no matter where they are at, and we need ron paul in these movements.

[Patrick_Henry]

Wait, what are they protesting?

[familydog]

Wait, what are they protesting?

Tearing down of public housing I believe.

[Rahl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4cZJ8KdpE

[uncloned21]

more info

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8TLBH8G0&show_article=1

[RP 247]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4cZJ8KdpE could the commentator be any more dramatic?

[rollingpig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4cZJ8KdpE

wow...America..what happened to you....

[mcgraw_wv]

FYI, Free market says you do whatever it is you want to do with your land... Sometimes the price of freedom isnt pretty.

[querty]

WTF happened?

[azminuteman]

I didn't seen any RP banners

[mcgraw_wv]

It's public housing, so I guess its pu the the Government to make this decision...

Another example of how the Government has no clue what it is doing in managing housing and land.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22344261/

[rollingpig]

FYI, Free market says you do whatever it is you want to do with your land... Sometimes the price of freedom isnt pretty.

what did free market say about people getting tasered and pepper sprayed

[RonPaulJunkie]

Why are the taking away public housing at a time like this? I need more information before I can even understand where I stand on this issue.

[Bison]

"Don't tase me bro"

[integrity]

could the commentator be any more dramatic?

was that Richard Simmons?

[rollingpig]

another vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jvhp4iZFd0

[u2canbfmj]

oh the humanity and colms

[kylejack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4cZJ8KdpE

Edit: my bad, it was already posted.

[Lucid American]

Whoa . . . crazy.

[tron paul]

People demanding to be housed in an area they can't afford, at other people's expense,
deserve worse than tazers, pepper spray, and clubs.

This is extortion by a mob, under color of democracy.

Release the hounds.

[LibertyForAll]

Update? What is happening and why? Related to Katrina?

[DaneKirk]

People demanding to be housed in an area they can't afford, at other people's expense,
deserve worse than tazers, pepper spray, and clubs.

This is extortion by a mob, under color of democracy.

Release the hounds.

+1

[ross11988]

Its a revolution people. This is only the beginning

[ross11988]

another vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jvhp4iZFd0

Wow crazy lady with the taser

[torchbearer]

People demanding to be housed in an area they can't afford, at other people's expense,
deserve worse than tazers, pepper spray, and clubs.

This is extortion by a mob, under color of democracy.

Release the hounds.

You don't know the full story, they are taking the welfare houses of the poor, to give corporate welfare to the rich, the city was turning over the property freely to condo developers. The city officials need to hung, drawn, and quartered. This is the society we will have nationwide if Ron isn't elected.

[torchbearer]

Its a revolution people. This is only the beginning

There will be blood in the streets if they don't let this revolution happen peacefully...

[torchbearer]

^^^

[torchbearer]

//

[ItsTime]

I saw a woman being tasered and pepper sprayed at the same time on MSNBC :( Im glad my daughter was not in the room

[torchbearer]

the dam is about to burst....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBCiF9tPn9I

just keep pounding, pounding, pounding... drop after drop after drop...

[ladyliberty]

Ron Paul is in the ticker at the bottom of the screen on that first youtube saying he was given $500 by a white supremeist but refuses to give the money back...:( subliminal message? this at the same time white police officers are tazering and pepper spraying black people....

[torchbearer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4cZJ8KdpE

:eek:

[torchbearer]

Ron Paul is in the ticker at the bottom of the screen on that first youtube saying he was given $500 by a white supremeist but refuses to give the money back...:( subliminal message? this at the same time white police officers are tazering and pepper spraying black people....

The media needs to be careful, if they don't watch it.. it will be their studios that are crashed by rioters next time around.

[Spike Kojima]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b6zGunXBas

http://video.ap.org/vws/search/aspx/ap.aspx?t=s60&p=ENAPus_ENAPus&g=1220dv_new_orleans_riots&f=advno

[jenninlouisiana]

I'm from New Orleans and have lived (briefly) across the interstate from one of them and have driven by another numerous times.

The physical plants are so much worse than "unlivable". And then they were damaged by Katrina.

These are rat infested, drug infested, murder infested shanties.

When I lived near one, as soon as dusk came, the gunfire would start and keep up *all night* until dawn. It happened *every night*.

What the city wants to do is tear them down and then develop the new type of public housings where there are multi-income houses, townhouses, etc.

I am, for one, DELIGHTED these blighted, sub-human shelters (not homes) are getting torn down.

[torchbearer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b6zGunXBas

http://video.ap.org/vws/search/aspx/ap.aspx?t=s60&p=ENAPus_ENAPus&g=1220dv_new_orleans_riots&f=advno

the revolution is beginning in louisiana.

[ChelC]

The difference is that most of the people in the projects are just getting by. Yes government welfare is a huge problem, but corporate interests are making huge profits from our tax dollars. IMO they both need to go. We need to stop Eminent Domain, we need to stop robbing Peter to pay Paul... all of it needs to stop, but we also need to stop being so quick to blame the little guy while giving a pass to corporate welfare which is much much worse.

[hellah10]

this is the america we live in... what a shame

[jenninlouisiana]

These people are truly better off in FEMA shelters, etc.

Those activists are fighting the wrong fight.

Try to google " BD Cooper Housing project + Photo" and see if you can find a picture. It's totally 3rd world.

[torchbearer]

New Orleans is nothing but a corrupt fascist city-state ran by a fascist mayor...propped up by corporatism. period.

[jenninlouisiana]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean these blighted-mold infested-rat infested-drug infested dangers to the city need to stay up. Until you've seen one... or driven through one, as I have (God, one of the most frightening experiences of my life... and yeah, it was BW Cooper)... the only thing that matters is that these disgusting facades are torn down and these people are actually transitioned to liveable places.


Edited: haa haa I keep saying BD Cooper and it is BW Cooper.

[Pimpin Turtle Dot Com]

another vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jvhp4iZFd0

wow... that is f-ing crazy...

[Drknows]

They had this planned from day one thats why they took their sweet time after Katrina.

[torchbearer]

^^^

[kherty]

Here are some photos of BW Cooper Housing...not pretty, but if these people felt it was their home, they should have had a right to stay there. Who are we or our Government to tell people to leave their home. Sad situation...

http://www.viewimages.com/Search.aspx?mid=74539300&epmid=1&partner=Google

[torchbearer]

THis is a preview of what will happen when our economy collapses.

[torchbearer]

^^^

[StateofTrance]

Louisiana is run by fucked up politicians - both Dems and Reps. Nobody gives a shit about Louisiana anymore. What a sad truth.

That's why we need Ron Paul!

[torchbearer]

Louisiana is run by fucked up politicians - both Dems and Reps. Nobody gives a shit about Louisiana anymore. What a sad truth.

That's why we need Ron Paul!

Let's start to name them... I'll get some biggies out of the way:

EDWIN EDWARDS (who is actually distantly related to me)
William Jefferson (the cold cash $90000 man)
Rodney Alexander, (Covered up inappropriate encounters between Foley and one of his 17 year old male interms)
Ray Nagin - current Mayor of New Orleans, ex-pres of cox communications, mayor of the "chocolate city"....

[ThomasJ]

I think the most important part is this.
I am not the creator of this but quoting it from a comment on youtube.

"I dont understand why these people thought they could get into a PUBLIC building and have a voice in PUBLIC proceedings. The nerve of them. The police had every right to use VIOLENT force to silence their grievence. The nerve of these people being upset because the OFFICIALS want to demolish slightly damaged housing. It's better for EVERYONE that these folks are homeless. Some people just have no common sense."

I think this is the key issue. People wanting to be represented by the representatives that is their job. On public land at a Public hearing yet they are not allowed to be represented.

This is the problem with our whole system right now. It is really the definition of Fascism. Corporate interests are represented and the people that those corporations are raping are not. The system is tilted, the game is rigged.

[torchbearer]

I think the most important part is this.
I am not the creator of this but quoting it from a comment on youtube.

"I dont understand why these people thought they could get into a PUBLIC building and have a voice in PUBLIC proceedings. The nerve of them. The police had every right to use VIOLENT force to silence their grievence. The nerve of these people being upset because the OFFICIALS want to demolish slightly damaged housing. It's better for EVERYONE that these folks are homeless. Some people just have no common sense."

I think this is the key issue. People wanting to be represented by the representatives that is their job. On public land at a Public hearing yet they are not allowed to be represented.

This is the problem with our whole system right now. It is really the definition of Fascism. Corporate interests are represented and the people that those corporations are raping are not. The system is tilted, the game is rigged.

+5 internets.

[ThomasJ]

Only 5? And internets at that..... I like interwebs so much better

[the_oco]

I'm from New Orleans and have lived (briefly) across the interstate from one of them and have driven by another numerous times.

The physical plants are so much worse than "unlivable". And then they were damaged by Katrina.

These are rat infested, drug infested, murder infested shanties.

When I lived near one, as soon as dusk came, the gunfire would start and keep up *all night* until dawn. It happened *every night*.

What the city wants to do is tear them down and then develop the new type of public housings where there are multi-income houses, townhouses, etc.

I am, for one, DELIGHTED these blighted, sub-human shelters (not homes) are getting torn down.


Great, but notice how you just got your point across without having to tazer and chemical spray people? The whole point is these people were denied access to a meeting that determines their futures.

They looked a lil unruly yes, but I'm sure if someone would have spoken with them, or let them in in the first place, then the GED graduates with guns wouldn't need to be brought in at all

[torchbearer]

Only 5? And internets at that..... I like interwebs so much better

That's all I got left right now... I gave the rest of my interwebs to the thumbs up guy from Missouri. He earned 'um.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2265/2126157274_0902689cf9_o.jpg

+999 Interwebs!

[Sandra]

Not to mention these people living in these rat infested shanties stand a hell of a lot better chance than in the formaldehyde gassed FEMA trailers.

[Sandra]

People are dying like crazy in those shelters, so EPA is condemning them.

[torchbearer]

Not to mention these people living in these rat infested shanties stand a hell of a lot better chance than in the chloroform gassed FEMA trailers.

I thought it was the formaldehyde coming up from the carpet glue that was killing people in the FEMA trailers?

[torchbearer]

Article about it here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14011193/from/ET/

BAY ST. LOUIS, Miss. — For nearly a year now, the ubiquitous FEMA trailer has sheltered tens of thousands of Gulf Coast residents left homeless by Hurricane Katrina. But there is growing concern that even as it staved off the elements, it was exposing its inhabitants to a toxic gas that could pose both immediate and long-term health risks.

The gas is formaldehyde, the airborne form of a chemical used in a wide variety of products, including composite wood and plywood panels in the thousands of travel trailers that the Federal Emergency Management Agency purchased after Katrina to house hurricane victims. It also is considered a human carcinogen, or cancer-causing substance, by the International Agency for Research on Cancer and a probable human carcinogen by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Air quality tests of 44 FEMA trailers conducted by the Sierra Club since April have found formaldehyde concentrations as high as 0.34 parts per million – a level nearly equal to what a professional embalmer would be exposed to on the job, according to one study of the chemical’s workplace effects.

[Sandra]

Why is formaldehyde still used even though they know it's deadly? I did say chloroform but I corrected it.

[torchbearer]

Why is formaldehyde still used even though they know it's deadly? I did say chloroform but I corrected it.

Good Question. I can assume they get away with it, because these trailers were not initially made for long term living...and their testing could be done for short term stays in which the accumulation of carcinogens would be very low to non-existent.

[Dieseler]

All new mobile homes come with a warning from the plant to air them out for a few days, just open the doors and windows, not deadly, not gonna make ya sick, I have lived in them all my life, the one I'm in now is a 3 year old titan/Champion double wide, came straight from the plant to my lot.
It had the formaldehyde warning in the house when we moved in it.

[Dieseler]

By the way, that new car smell everyone loves, is Formaldehyde.

[bclemms]

Great, but notice how you just got your point across without having to tazer and chemical spray people? The whole point is these people were denied access to a meeting that determines their futures.

They looked a lil unruly yes, but I'm sure if someone would have spoken with them, or let them in in the first place, then the GED graduates with guns wouldn't need to be brought in at all

Look at this article and picture and tell me what is wrong.

Regardless of the conditions, many former public housing residents avoid privately owned apartments because they typically face utility and deposit expenses not charged in public housing.

Sharon Jasper, a former St. Bernard complex resident presented by activists Tuesday as a victim of changing public housing policies, took a moment before the start of the City Hall protest to complain about her subsidized private apartment, which she called a "slum." A HANO voucher covers her rent on a unit in an old Faubourg St. John home, but she said she faced several hundred dollars in deposit charges and now faces a steep utility bill.

"I'm tired of the slum landlords, and I'm tired of the slum houses," she said.

Pointing across the street to an encampment of homeless people at Duncan Plaza, Jasper said, "I might do better out here with one of these tents."

Jasper, who later allowed a photographer to tour the subsidized apartment, also complained about missing window screens, a slow leak in a sink, a warped back door and a few other details of a residence that otherwise appeared to have been recently renovated.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/bclemms/housing.jpg

These projects are a haven for crime most of us can't imagine. There is a reason that NOLA is in top 3 of just about every major crime statistic every year and that reason is these projects.

Want to see what a lot of these projects are about watch this video but BE WARNED, STRONG LANGUAGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QGon3B0FJc

The city council, which is easily the best New Orleans has had in 40 years, has voted to tear them down. The vote wasn't close, the mayor agreed they should come down, the people of the city wanted them down. These projects were shit holes to put it mildly and the only reason many of these people are complaining is because to move into new public housing they will be mandated to have vocational and employment training, and be employed, in order to return to public housing.

This is the problem with social welfare, I'm personally glad these places are going down and I would think Ron Paul would be standing there cheering it on.

If you want to read how New Orleans residents feel about this then check this thread out.
http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55267

It is amazing how the MSM can get the attention of millions with a couple videos of pepper spray hitting a crowd when those watching are not aware of the circumstances behind it.

This same group protesting has also vowed to burn down a "rich white persons" condo for every public housing unit destroyed. Not the best way to go about things don't ya think?

I personally don't see how Ron Paul would support the social welfare problem in New Orleans.

[torchbearer]

THis is a preview of what will happen when our economy collapses.

:cool:

[RSLudlum]

The media and our government better re-access what they're doing to the country or these kinda scenes will become quite frequent. Our founders gave us a Constitution with civil means to avoid such situations but alas you see what happens when those with power do not abide by such rules.

[torchbearer]

The Failure of city planning (the projects)

http://www.ohiostatepress.org/index.htm?/books/book%20pages/hogan%20failure.html

The Failure of Planning
Permitting Sprawl in San Diego Suburbs, 1970–1999
Richard Hogan

“[Hogan's] study is extraordinarily valuable because it reveals a process in which grotesque results emerge from the rational behavior of actors bound together in a particular kind of market. . . . Across the country we are building settlements without community—corporate designed, mass produced, profit maximizing, uniformly boxy, bare, townless, unaffordable, SUV settlements that are life-centered only in the sense of requiring a lifetime of commuting. Hogan's frustration shows, but maybe that is because he is in touch with the mood of many Americans.” —Contemporary Sociology

“The Failure of Planning is a literate and cogent study of a major U.S. city and its suburban and exurban areas. It uses class analysis and other highly respected paradigms in a way to help us profoundly understand how planning under the present structure of 'republican capitalism' rewards those who learn how to engage and use the planning system, those who can afford to be patient and who can finesse planners and politicians alike, and those who understand that popular citizen initiatives can actually be used to frustrate the search for viable solutions to community problems that will be sustainable, fair, environmentally sensitive and sensible, and just. This is an important post-modernist critique of contemporary urban/regional planning.” —Mark Lapping, Edmund S. Muskie School of Public Service, University of Southern Maine

By 1970, uncontrolled growth plagued San Diego County suburbs and threatened to destroy the “paradise” of postwar San Diego, which had attracted a flood of immigrants since 1945. Fortunately, Mayor Pete Wilson, fresh from a Rockefeller Brothers land-use policy forum and armed with the latest progressive planning vision, sponsored a “big picture” planning solution, which has since been institutionalized as “smart growth.” Despite the triumph of progressive planning, however, and the multimillion-dollar-planning effort that continues to characterize suburban development, suburban sprawl continues. Freeway gridlock continues. Already exorbitant housing costs keep rising. In short, progressive planning has failed. This book explains how and why this has happened, not only in San Diego but more generally, and considers conservative, liberal, and radical paths toward a more successful future.

[torchbearer]

By the way, this is one of my professions... sociology. I've studied these problems for many years... they didn't just start happening... and they will only get worse.

Instead of allowing areas to develop naturally (which works), city planning forces cities to develop in certain ways, unleashing a host of unintended consequences (blowback)

[torchbearer]

^^^

[mokkan88]

Um, they were fighting over public housing in hazardous areas. The city plans to build new housing in the area. The protesters were in the wrong.

Remember, we're limited government, not anti-government.

[tron paul]

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/bclemms/housing.jpg

Maybe the welfare people own the houses by adverse possession or homesteading.

But that TV was paid for by taxpayers subsidies to her housing expenses.

Make sure the hounds have bees in their mouths...

[torchbearer]

Um, they were fighting over public housing in hazardous areas. The city plans to build new housing in the area. The protesters were in the wrong.

Remember, we're limited government, not anti-government.

They were pissed because they weren't allowed into the public meeting. Not because they would get new homes...

[torchbearer]

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/bclemms/housing.jpg

Maybe the welfare people own the houses by adverse possession or homesteading.

But that TV was paid for by taxpayers subsidies to her housing expenses.

Make sure the hounds have bees in their mouths...

You should look at the 100,000 Fema trailers you paid for that are just rotting in large lots....

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

This is extortion by a mob, under color of democracy.

This part of your statement I agree with.


People demanding to be housed in an area they can't afford, at other people's expense,
deserve worse than tazers, pepper spray, and clubs.

This part I don't. These people have the right to assemble and speak their opinions, no matter how unlibertarian they are. They don't have the right to act violently against police or others, but it seems like many or most of them were being peaceable in their demonstration.

However, it seems like it's also another example of policing run amok. I'm especially disturbed by the story I read on Breitbart earlier today, how the one woman who was Tazed was just an innocent bystander who was trying to get to a meeting who wasn't even doing anything. They said she had gotten Tazed so badly, the Tazer wire had fused itself to her shirt.

[torchbearer]

Your tax money....

http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/10/01/imageb05e07ce-2a2f-4e72-98f5-1a74f89f7365.jpg

[bclemms]

This part of your statement I agree with.



This part I don't. These people have the right to assemble and speak their opinions, no matter how unlibertarian they are. They don't have the right to act violently against police or others, but it seems like many or most of them were being peaceable in their demonstration.

However, it seems like it's also another example of policing run amok. I'm especially disturbed by the story I read on Breitbart earlier today, how the one woman who was Tazed was just an innocent bystander who was trying to get to a meeting who wasn't even doing anything. They said she had gotten Tazed so badly, the Tazer wire had fused itself to her shirt.


I usually find myself on the front lines of a protest in one of the most violent areas in the country when I am on the way to meetings too. Yeah, I'm sure she had no clue what was going on when she was standing between an angry mob and two dozen cops on horses, a swat team, crowd control officers and behind a fence with a huge chain and lock on it.

You just don't happen to walk into that situation.

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

I usually find myself on the front lines of a protest in one of the most violent areas in the country when I am on the way to meetings too. Yeah, I'm sure she had no clue what was going on when she was standing between an angry mob and two dozen cops on horses, a swat team, crowd control officers and behind a fence with a huge chain and lock on it.

You just don't happen to walk into that situation.

She was trying to get into a meeting she had to be at in City Hall and apparently the police just assumed she was a protestor trying to break through the barricade, despite her explanations to the contrary. I maintain: police power run amok.

[nevildev]

You don't know the full story, they are taking the welfare houses of the poor, to give corporate welfare to the rich, the city was turning over the property freely to condo developers. The city officials need to hung, drawn, and quartered. This is the society we will have nationwide if Ron isn't elected.

"hung, drawn, and quartered"....and we wonder why the media attacks Ron Paul supporters.

[Scott Wilson]

The government ought to have no business in housing full stop.

This is an example of how socialism breeds dependency and when the people are going to lose their freebies they don't like it.

Welcome to the Union of Socialist States of Amerika.

[Crickett]

I didn't see any banners either..but on the ticker under the thing after it said Tan threw in the towel it said RP got a $500 donation from a white supremecist and is not giving it back..LOL!! Can you believe that came up on the news ticker? It looked so stupid there, I just about died laughing..LOL

[ChooseLiberty]

Sorry, but the videos look like the "protest" was staged by the same white people from the Worker's Party that do all the illegal alien gigs - not residents of the housing project.

Don't get why Ron Paul people would want to be associated with it. Yeah the police state is close, but those people are just full time whacko agitators trying to get the police to mace and taser them for some air time.

Under President Paul I imagine most public housing would disappear since it is all subsidized by the Feds, unless the States want to support it.

[torchbearer]

"hung, drawn, and quartered"....and we wonder why the media attacks Ron Paul supporters.

That is the traditional punishment for treason. Lock people out of our public meetings and use the police to protect the state...
Protect our constitution from enemies... foreign and domestic...

What part of that statement don't you understand? Perhaps I should use smaller words?

[louisiana4liberty]

These protesters should have chosen non-violence.

They had a chance to elect the council members that sided with their point of view. This is democracy in action folks. These former public housing residents have and had the same LIBERTIES as everyone else in society. They unfortunately embraced the past status quo which was government handouts. The residents actually believed they had a right to government housing and on their terms. In case they didn't notice, the government in NO collapsed under Katrina. And when government collapsed so went the handouts.

This was old New Orleans. The rebirth has changed some things. New Orleans is slowly changing for the better. The public housing will be rebuilt with some housing in different neighborhoods and on less useful/valuable land. :) They should be thankful they're being rebuilt.

[EvilEngineer]

Curious why that gate wasn't a prime target for a Molotov cocktail, it's very hard to hold a gate when your face is on fire. Oh well, the police did their jobs and not many people got hurt. Sadly the day is still a loss for the people as big business is the winner in this.

[nevildev]

That is the traditional punishment for treason. Lock people out of our public meetings and use the police to protect the state...
Protect our constitution from enemies... foreign and domestic...

What part of that statement don't you understand? Perhaps I should use smaller words?

nope i can handle the big words and admit when I get schooled. I got schooled, didn't think of the historical significance, just looked at it face value and reacted to the big words.

[daviddee]

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[daviddee]

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