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Antonius Stone
12-19-2007, 10:01 PM
to cut off all the "controversy" about MLK at the head, why don't we have a vigil to commemorate Gandhi, who was his Inspiration. I personally think Gandhi is an even greater hero than Dr. King and is an even better representative of the struggle that we the Revolution are currently faced with

IMO, i think a Celebration of Gandhi and his ideas has the potential to overtake any of the other currently proposed days because Gandhi is even more respected and adored internationally than MLK or any of the other American Heroes mentioned. Gandhi is an international hero and RP has time and time again identified with Gandhi's methods and message.

Remember how big the Ron Paul Movement is growing internationally, and If we were to promote a celebration of Gandhi's life and message of peaceful resistance (we are the LOVE REVOLUTION, after all...) I think we could really bank on our international supporters to help us storm the press.

Alex Libman
12-19-2007, 10:10 PM
Assassination = bad.

If we really wanted to make a Gandhi reference, the start (March 12) or end (April 6th) of the Salt March (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Satyagraha) would be better...

pdavis
12-19-2007, 10:25 PM
You guys are getting all worked up about MLK's political views, yet Mahatma Gandhi was an admitted socialist.

Antonius Stone
12-19-2007, 10:25 PM
Assassination = bad.

I disagree. Gandhi's death is observed in many countries and in schools as a day of Non-Violence and Peace. What would be a better day to commemorate Gandhi's life and his message and how that message applies to us and the situation we find ourselves in now?

I've heard many people say of this '08 election that it is our last chance to make change through peace... Gandhi was one of the first to employ peace to bring about change. This is the man who set in place the blueprint for our "Love" Revolution. What better time to honor him than on the anniversary of his death?

Troyhand
12-19-2007, 10:30 PM
Gandhi Assassination Day Rally? I don't think so. Bad idea.
Celebrate his life by celebrating his birthday - not the day he got popped.
You don't see any parades happening on November 22 for JFK, do you?

fyi Gandhi birthdate: October 2, 1869

edit: plus, a day of remembrance to perhaps have another money bomb should have more to do with a day celebrating an action or event, not a specific man. Like Paul says, it's not about the man, it's about the message.

Antonius Stone
12-19-2007, 10:51 PM
edit: plus, a day of remembrance to perhaps have another money bomb should have more to do with a day celebrating an action or event, not a specific man. Like Paul says, it's not about the man, it's about the message.

didn't I specifically say in my last post that this is exactly about Gandhi's message of peaceful, non-violent disobedience and protest?

Why are you guys so endlessly negative? It goes without saying that demonstrations on the day of Gandhi's death would certainly be more somber than the rallies we had on Teaparty Day- but certainly doesn't make it a bad idea. We could just organize a nation-wide candlelight vigil where people just march- no Signs, no banners, at the most just Ron Paul shirts & buttons- and remember just what we (ie: the World) lost when Gandhi was assassinated and show that are still here to carry his message

Antonius Stone
12-19-2007, 11:20 PM
let me frame it this way:

why is it a bad idea to have a candlelight vigil in honor of Gandhi on his death anniversary?

wealeat
12-19-2007, 11:22 PM
A candlelight vigil would be fine, but not fundraising.

parocks
12-19-2007, 11:29 PM
Assassination = bad.

If we really wanted to make a Gandhi reference, the start (March 12) or end (April 6th) of the Salt March (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Satyagraha) would be better...

Agreed. let's start making a list of stuff.
Some of the stuff I'm posting won't make the cut, that's cool.
As long as we're all thinking along the same lines.

Events of rebellion, civil disobedience. Actually, any events we liked - or didn't like.

On September 2, 1989, four days before South Africa's racially segregated parliament
held its elections, Burg Street in Cape Town rained purple. A police water cannon with
purple dye was turned on thousands of Mass Democratic Movement supporters who poured
into the city in an attempt to march on South Africa's Parliament.

The Salt Satyagraha, also known as the Salt March to Dandi, was an act of non-violent protest
against the British salt tax in colonial India from March 12, 1930, to April 6th, 1930. It was
the first act of organized opposition to British rule after Purna Swaraj, or the Declaration of
Independence by the Indian National Congress. Mahatma Gandhi led the march from Sabarmati Ashram to
Dandi, Gujarat to make salt, with growing numbers of Indians joining him along the way.

The Kent State shootings, also known as the May 4 massacre or Kent State massacre, occurred at Kent
State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of students by members of the
Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. Four students were killed and nine others wounded, one
of whom suffered permanent paralysis.

On February 28, 1993, the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)
attempted to execute a search warrant at the Branch Davidian ranch at Mount Carmel, a property located
nine miles (14 km) east-northeast of Waco, Texas. An exchange of gunfire resulted in the deaths of
four agents and six Davidians. A subsequent 51-day siege by the Federal Bureau of Investigation
ended on April 19 when the complex was destroyed by fire. Seventy-six people, including 21 children
and two pregnant women, along with Davidian leader David Koresh, died in the incident. This has come to
be known as the Waco Siege or the Waco Massacre.

The Letter from Birmingham Jail or Letter from Birmingham City Jail, was an open letter written on
April 16, 1963 by Martin Luther King, Jr., an American civil rights leader. King wrote the letter
from the city jail in Birmingham, Alabama, after a peaceful protest against segregation.
The letter includes the frequently-quoted lines that "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere,"
as well as the words of Thurgood Marshall quoted by King that "justice too long delayed is justice denied."

The Stonewall riots were a series of violent conflicts between New York City police officers and groups
of gay and transgender people that began during the early morning of June 28, 1969, and lasted several
days. Also called the Stonewall Rebellion or simply Stonewall, the clash was a watershed for the worldwide
gay rights movement, as gay and transgender people had never before acted together in such large numbers
to forcibly resist police harassment directed towards their community.

The Battle of Fort Sumter (April 12, 1861 – April 13, 1861) was the bombardment and surrender of Fort Sumter
near Charleston, South Carolina that began the American Civil War.

Ruby Ridge refers to a violent confrontation and siege involving Randy Weaver, his family, Weaver's friend
Kevin Harris, federal agents from the United States Marshals Service and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
The events took place on August 21, 1992 on the Weaver family property, located on a hillside between
Caribou Ridge and Ruby Creek near Naples in northern Idaho.

The Montgomery Bus Boycott was a political and social protest campaign started in 1955 in Montgomery, Alabama, intended to oppose the city's policy of racial segregation on its public transit system. The ensuing struggle lasted from December 5, 1955, to December 20, 1956, and led to a United States Supreme Court decision that declared the Alabama and Montgomery laws requiring segregated buses unconstitutional.

Artsy74
12-19-2007, 11:31 PM
Bad idea to have it on his death anniversary. The media would be all over THAT one...

Twisting it, telling everyone we were celebrating the assassination of a peace loving guy. You know they would, we all know it.

They emphasize bomb in money bomb, play up the terrorist angle on Nov 5th.
Blowing up parliament blah,blah,blah.

If you do it, don't attach Ron Paul's name to it, I'm telling you BAD IDEA.

I'm not going anywhere near that one.

Antonius Stone
12-19-2007, 11:33 PM
Bad idea to have it on his death anniversary. The media would be all over THAT one...

Twisting it, telling everyone we were celebrating the assassination of a peace loving guy. You know they would, we all know it.

They emphasize bomb in money bomb, play up the terrorist angle on Nov 5th.
Blowing up parliament blah,blah,blah.

If you do it, don't attach Ron Paul's name to it, I'm telling you BAD IDEA.

I'm not going anywhere near that one.

would it be a bad idea to have a vigil on 9/11 then? because I don't see how having a vigil for Gandhi is any different...

Artsy74
12-19-2007, 11:38 PM
I just think we need to be careful, is all. We know how the media reacts to what we do, and how they angle it for their own means/agenda.

If it were done it would have to be solidly shown that we were respecting and honoring Ghandi, so that there would be no way it could be twisted for anyones knock RP campaign.

NewEnd
12-19-2007, 11:41 PM
Assassination = bad.




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