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imbrians89
12-19-2007, 07:50 PM
For once think outside of your laptops and your computer chairs at home and think about how this White Supremacist donating 500 dollars to the campaign and Ron Paul REFUSING to give it back is going to BACKFIRE on all our efforts. Think for a second on how Main Stream Media just got a hold of this and will use it as pure fire power against our campaign and what we stand for.
Remember actions speak louder than words and in an election this close do we really want to risk losing ANY VOTES that'd it'd be Minority votes or any white people that are truly apposed to any kind of contact with a racist group. You also have to understand that this isn't just some random white supremacists nut that donated, this is one of there MAIN LEADERS that broadcasts on there radio. If you guys ever got a shot at going to there forums and seeing how fucking sick the majority of the people in there are then please go ahead and be my guest see how distorted there views are and ho diffrent they are from what we all stand for. If you want RON PAUL to win then you will demand that he please not go against massive outcry and go with his grass root folks that have raised millions for him and give the money BACK we don't fucking need hate money and I for one don't want the freedom that Ron Paul Advocates being endorsed or corrupted by sick fucks.
Thank you, Pardon my french btw.

Ozwest
12-19-2007, 07:52 PM
You need some more educating.

integrity
12-19-2007, 07:53 PM
stop making a mountain out of a molehill

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 07:54 PM
You need some more educating.
As a new Ron Paul supporter and part of the 25,000 new Donaters on December 16th i resent that. You obviously don't care about whether Ron Paul wins or not. I sir DO. He wins so much by just giving that hate money back And he can potentially loose so much in short term and long term by KEEPING the shitty five hundred dollars.

mmink15
12-19-2007, 07:55 PM
Considering how Ron Paul handled the direct questioning of Neil Cavuto on Fox today, I say bring it on. That money is spent already and I don't want 500 dollars I donate to Ron Paul to go to a white supremicist. Also, Dr Paul uses this kind of thing to pont out where media takes the focus off the issues. If you haven't seen this interview here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRtZaG63o8&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b

Chibioz
12-19-2007, 07:56 PM
Ron Paul shouldn't have to return money from anyone just because they are a member of a certain group. Like he says, if they are dumb enough to give it even when they know his position doesn't support theirs than so be it.

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 07:56 PM
stop making a mountain out of a molehill
MSM just got ahold of this TODAY. WATCH out for HEADLINES TOMMOROW. You will hear ENDLESS sound bytes msm smearing our candidates Message and him saying that no "I wont Give the money back" to people that if they had the chance would murder every single black/hispanic/asian/jewish/muslim/interacial person in this country and probably the world if they had the chance.

susano
12-19-2007, 07:57 PM
This has been circulating for months on globalist and hard core left/communist blogs. Anyone who is disuaded from voting for Ron Paul because of this garbage should get out now. This candidate and the Ron Paul r3VOLution are NOT about race baiting and divide and conquer - two tactics of the socialist left, and now the pro Israel/pro war neocons (whose roots are Bolshevism).

If Ron Paul got a contribution from a socialist or a neocon, should he return it? What about an Israeli American? Afterall, Israel is a racist apartheid state.

Get real. Under the constitution, there are no thought police.

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 07:58 PM
Ron Paul shouldn't have to return money from anyone just because they are a member of a certain group. Like he says, if they are dumb enough to give it even when they know his position doesn't support theirs than so be it.
Thats my point we all know this and cherish it because in part its OUR Message, But what are NEW potential voters going to get out of this when they hear the endless soundbytes? Think beyond these forums and beyond the internet and you will see my point.

user
12-19-2007, 07:59 PM
It's too late now either way. We can't flip-flop at this point.

susano
12-19-2007, 07:59 PM
MSM just got ahold of this TODAY. WATCH out for HEADLINES TOMMOROW. You will hear ENDLESS sound bytes msm smearing our candidates Message and him saying that no "I wont Give the money back" to people that if they had the chance would murder every single black/hispanic/asian/jewish/muslim/interacial person in this country and probably the world if they had the chance.


In case you haven't noticed, this is the Ron Paul Revolution, taking back the constitution, where we have a FIRST AMENDMENT. It is NOT the communist party.

Chibioz
12-19-2007, 08:02 PM
Considering how Ron Paul handled the direct questioning of Neil Cavuto on Fox today, I say bring it on. That money is spent already and I don't want 500 dollars I donate to Ron Paul to go to a white supremicist. Also, Dr Paul uses this kind of thing to pont out where media takes the focus off the issues. If you haven't seen this interview here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRtZaG63o8&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b

I just watched that video. I had a couple Rongasms. :o

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 08:02 PM
In case you haven't noticed, this is the Ron Paul Revolution, taking back the constitution, where we have a FIRST AMENDMENT. It is NOT the communist party.
And this is a PRIVATE Political Affiliated Establishment where his supporters (Me and so many others) are using that first amendment right to try to influence him to give the money back. This is why Ron Paul is rode off in the news and in so many other things. You guys don't understand that we will never win without the media and that sometimes things like this hurt people profoundly. How do you think some people that donated on the 16th (Including Myself) feel about sharing the same spotlight(MoneyWise) with a racist nut? How do you think new voters would feel?

Lost Myth
12-19-2007, 08:02 PM
Ron Paul does not pander. That's a major part of what makes him so attractive as a candidate -- regardless of how much pressure the old media puts on him to change his positions for the sake of political convenience, he will not do it.

rockwell
12-19-2007, 08:04 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=876674

I see you have only one topic on your mind.

Isn't that curious.

Hey, why don't you draw up a list of acceptable people and let us know who we can play with or talk to, mmkay?

Ozwest
12-19-2007, 08:04 PM
As a new Ron Paul supporter and part of the 25,000 new Donaters on December 16th i resent that. You obviously don't care about whether Ron Paul wins or not. I sir DO. He wins so much by just giving that hate money back And he can potentially loose so much in short term and long term by KEEPING the shitty five hundred dollars.

Stop crawling around on the kitchen floor, grab a hold of mommy's hand, and take one step at a time.

That's it... one step at a time...

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 08:05 PM
Ron Paul does not pander. That's a major part of what makes him so attractive as a candidate -- regardless of how much pressure the old media puts on him to change his positions for the sake of political convenience, he will not do it.
You guys I guess don't see it from my perspective, Wait for the BACKLASH it will speak for itself. If you can remember the 2006 senatorial race Jim Webb beat George Allin because George Allin said ONE Word. The entire Election lost over one dumb action. People do care and they do listen and most of the time they don't educate themselves enough to make an informed decision. All because we know why Ron Paul isn't giving the money back dosen't mean your avg. day Joe who dosen't follow politics and only tunes in once and a while WILL.

liberty_rp08
12-19-2007, 08:05 PM
Ron Paul shouldn't have to return money from anyone just because they are a member of a certain group. Like he says, if they are dumb enough to give it even when they know his position doesn't support theirs than so be it.

Absolutely. The media is so desperate now that they have to resurrect a months old smear attempt because they have nothing else. It's hilarious.

Flash
12-19-2007, 08:08 PM
1) This Don fellow just wants his name in the press so he can get more hits for his website. Thats it. He doesn't really support Paul, imo.

2) Ron Paul already said hes keeping it, do you realize how bad the press would smear him with him flip-flopping?

integrity
12-19-2007, 08:09 PM
I think Iranians who work for the Carlyle Group and donate to both Hillary and Giuliani are strange....

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?zip=10021&last=Arjomand&first=Siavosh

280Z28
12-19-2007, 08:09 PM
imbrians needs to review the person he supports for president...

susano
12-19-2007, 08:12 PM
Look, in case you don't know it, even racial separtists have constitutional rights. Oh, I know you hate that, but deal with it. A campaign donation is freedom of speech. Anyone from David Duke to Louis Farrakhan has an interest in liberty and the constituion. Don't like it? Vote for Hillary.

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 08:13 PM
imbrians needs to review the person he supports for president...
Ron Paul For 2008
Defender of LIBERTY something White Supremacist don't really advocate.

Defender of EQUALITY something the White Supremacist REALLY don't advocate

Defender of the Constitution something that White Supremacist would wipe with there own ass as long as it meant mass extinction of minority races. I know who I am supporting, don't try to spin that Bullshit on me.

ursamajor
12-19-2007, 08:13 PM
how would this be different from a 'thought police'? ron paul has nothing to do with racism or white supremacy. my guess is that everyone one of his donors believe... wait for it... different things!

tropicangela
12-19-2007, 08:13 PM
This is a really tough spot. I knew last week that this was going to happen, but I thought he would give the money back. He said on PBS on Friday night that he does not want money from a white supremacist. He has said he won't accept lobbyists money and he hasn't. Why is this different? School me please. Flip flopping? What he said Friday on PBS and what he did with the money are two different things. I KNOW that his intentions with the money are good, and I know that Mr. Black shouldn't have his money back... so what ELSE can RP legally do with the money if he doesn't use it for himself? School me! Can he donate it to a needy cause????

DarkLaw
12-19-2007, 08:14 PM
As the classic songs goes,

"...take the money and run..."


Who cares who donates? It's money.
Take it and use it for a good cause.
I don't agree with race supremacy
but if a Black Panther gave me $500
I'd still go spend it just as if the Salvation Army
or Red Cross gave it to me.

Once it's in Dr. Paul's hands,
it's just more paper money.
Spend it wisely, promote the Revolution,
and we all win, regardless of who's
hands gave it.

Ozwest
12-19-2007, 08:14 PM
This guys a joke.

mosquitobite
12-19-2007, 08:14 PM
Ron Paul For 2008
Defender of LIBERTY something White Supremacist don't really advocate.

Defender of EQUALITY something the White Supremacist REALLY don't advocate

Defender of the Constitution something that White Supremacist would wipe with there own ass as long as it meant mass extinction of minority races. I know who I am supporting, don't try to spin that Bullshit on me.

Good. Since you know Dr Paul supports liberty, equality, and the Constitution, can you point out how keeping this guy's money contradicts any of the above?

mmink15
12-19-2007, 08:16 PM
You guys I guess don't see it from my perspective, Wait for the BACKLASH it will speak for itself. If you can remember the 2006 senatorial race Jim Webb beat George Allin because George Allin said ONE Word. The entire Election lost over one dumb action. People do care and they do listen and most of the time they don't educate themselves enough to make an informed decision. All because we know why Ron Paul isn't giving the money back dosen't mean your avg. day Joe who dosen't follow politics and only tunes in once and a while WILL.

Here is why I don't fear a backlash. During the George Allen "macaca" incident, it wan't the word that brought Allen down. He couldn't keep his explanation for this straight, which looked very shady. If Ron Paul sticks to his guns, and he will, he will come out on top because his point is valid and they won't have conflicting sound bytes to spread as they would if he gave it back. The George Allen incident and this don't parallel as close as it seems. We have a candidate here that is bullet-proof. You can disagree with his ideas, but you can't argue that they are not well defined. Media simply isn't prepared for this and it's at a point where they can't ignore him. He comes out on top whether it's Bill Maher or Glenn Beck or Jay Leno or Jon Stewart interviewing him. Let them try to bring him down with an all out attack, he can come out on top I assure you.

FreedomWon
12-19-2007, 08:16 PM
Nice ....very nice!
This is Dr. Ron Paul at his best. Trust that resonable people will see the transparency of the MSM and that our Candidate will cut through the BS and speak the plain truth.

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 08:16 PM
Good. Since you know Dr Paul supports liberty, equality, and the Constitution, can you point out how keeping this guy's money contradicts any of the above?
It goes with the lines of Political Strategy more so then anything else. I really don't care where the money comes from as long as its there. But many people that would potentially vote for Paul would turn away if they found out that some of it came from a white supremacist leader.

Duckman
12-19-2007, 08:17 PM
Ron Paul should not and cannot give it back.

I hate white supremacists. I think the idea that a race should dominate another race is shit left over from an ignorant past. But his principle is correct. There is a privacy issue also with him snooping around like that. It's this kind of mentality that your privacy should be invaded that is part of the problem in this country today.

There are alot of groups that hurt Ron Paul. Freedom is scary to some people. Some people feel they need to be controlled by other people. I don't feel that way. I feel that the good ideas will eventually dominate. There is a whole way of thinking that says the bad in the world has to be changed now. That thinking led to us believing we could transform Iraq. But the truth is, the world has to slowly change into a better place, it can't be forced there. Not without giving up freedom.

susano
12-19-2007, 08:17 PM
This is a really tough spot. I knew last week that this was going to happen, but I thought he would give the money back. He said on PBS on Friday night that he does not want money from a white supremacist. He has said he won't accept lobbyists money and he hasn't. Why is this different? School me please. Flip flopping? What he said Friday on PBS and what he did with the money are two different things. I KNOW that his intentions with the money are good, and I know that Mr. Black shouldn't have his money back... so what ELSE can RP legally do with the money if he doesn't use it for himself? School me! Can he donate it to a needy cause????


You want to volunteer yourself to approve all of the beliefs of 100,000 donors? What if there are any Zionists in there? Zionism is predicated upon racial purity. Only Jews have rights in Israel. Care to attack Jews, too?

DarkLaw
12-19-2007, 08:18 PM
He said on PBS on Friday night that he does not want money from a white supremacist. He has said he won't accept lobbyists money and he hasn't. Why is this different?


This is different because Lobbyist groups give money
in order to get a 'favor' in return. It's how Washington works.

I give you $2300 and you help promote my agenda
when you take office. THAT's what is different.

If a racist gave Dr. Paul money, I have faith that RP
will spend it for the campaign, and not promoting
a racist agenda.

THAT is the difference, ma'dear.


Let's say a cigarette company donated tons of money
and support, threw a banquet in his honor, etc etc.
They would expect Ron Paul to help pass legislature
that makes them money or gives federal money to their industry.

Savvy?

We all know Ron Paul will spend the money where it needs to go.
He does not pander to nor listen to lobbyists, especially racist groups.

integrity
12-19-2007, 08:19 PM
look who the scumbag rockefeller supports....


http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=NY&last=rockefeller&first=david

tropicangela
12-19-2007, 08:19 PM
You want to volunteer yourself to approve all of the beliefs of 100,000 donors? What if there are any Zionists in there? Zionism is predicated upon racial purity. Only Jews have rights in Israel. Care to attack Jews, too?

No I am too busy volunteering myself to stand outside holding a Ron Paul sign.

Ozwest
12-19-2007, 08:19 PM
This is a really tough spot. I knew last week that this was going to happen, but I thought he would give the money back. He said on PBS on Friday night that he does not want money from a white supremacist. He has said he won't accept lobbyists money and he hasn't. Why is this different? School me please. Flip flopping? What he said Friday on PBS and what he did with the money are two different things. I KNOW that his intentions with the money are good, and I know that Mr. Black shouldn't have his money back... so what ELSE can RP legally do with the money if he doesn't use it for himself? School me! Can he donate it to a needy cause????
Watch the Fox interview with Neil Cavatu, tropicangela. It occured today and It was recorded by someone on this forum. A quick search should get you a positive result.:)

Keith
12-19-2007, 08:19 PM
The great thing is that we know that Ron Paul is not in anybody's back pocket. When the media favorite candidates accept millions of dollars from hundreds of people they owe them something. When Ron Paul accepts hundreds of dollars from millions of people he is still free to do the right thing.

susano
12-19-2007, 08:19 PM
It goes with the lines of Political Strategy more so then anything else. I really don't care where the money comes from as long as its there. But many people that would potentially vote for Paul would turn away if they found out that some of it came from a white supremacist leader.

Ron Paul doesn't play old style, lying and deceitful politics, pandeing to race baiters. This is a new pardigm. Get used to it. It's called freedom.

V-rod
12-19-2007, 08:21 PM
I would of preferred he gave it back, but the damage is done, and if he gave it back now it would make him look worse.

susano
12-19-2007, 08:24 PM
look who the scumbag rockefeller supports....


http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=NY&last=rockefeller&first=david


There you go. And, Rockefeller is not only a racist, but believes in eugenics, i.e., racial culling and genocide.

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 08:25 PM
You guys don't get the fact that online polls and forum board debates don't mean shit do you? In the end all that matters are sound bytes and smear campaigns. Every smear should be handled appropriately, Paul talks allot about blow back wait till the blow back on this one comes back to haunt us later in the election. Even if we do take NH by gods grace wait till you get to a state like South Carolina were primary's are OPEN and over HALF of the electorate there is BLACK. You guys don't seem to think do you?

fedup100
12-19-2007, 08:26 PM
As a new Ron Paul supporter and part of the 25,000 new Donaters on December 16th i resent that. You obviously don't care about whether Ron Paul wins or not. I sir DO. He wins so much by just giving that hate money back And he can potentially loose so much in short term and long term by KEEPING the shitty five hundred dollars.

Hate Money, boy that type of sound bite makes we want to spit. The corporate fascist schooling have turned out a bunch of little snotty brown shirts who don't have a clue what freedom is.

If the media only knew what or who was really making donations to these campaigns, then we could really clean it up, maybe not. Apparently it isn't the vileness of those donating so much as the hatred for the one that has received it.

Hillary and her slimy serial F*^%$ husband have coasted to and through the White House on communist Chinese money, I don't see the media complaining.

The Huckster will rake in the Zionist "bomb the shit" out of any enemy Israel points to, I don't see the media complaining.

I wonder how many pedophiles, masturbaters, wife beaters, tax cheaters, thieves, felons, rapists, thugs, gang members, nose pickers, peeping toms, whores, loan sharks, narcs, on and on ad nausem will be giving to all those running for the Presidency inluding Paul's........huh how many, are you one?

As far as white supremacist, please if I am black I can have the NAACP, but let someone in the white race try to organize the WAAAP and people in this Country shout racism!!!!!!!!!!

Unfreakin real. Get this strait Ron Paul lives his Constitutional values. He truly will bring real freedom to this Country if we are fortunate enough to have him put into Office. But you are going to be in shock when you discover that true freedom means just that. You and myself and our neighbors will be free to think and do as we please as long as we harm no one else.

These teachings that some thought is a cancer while other thought is not is not going to hold water in a free society.

He better keep the money or he is a hypocrite and that I know he isn't.

dfalken
12-19-2007, 08:30 PM
He handed Neil Cavuto his ass on a freaking platter!!! This is one of the most amazing interviews I have seen Ron in. He is throwing back some punches now. "give it back" please give me a break!!! Watch the interview and make sure you don't hit your head on the roof when you start jumping up and down in excitement... :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRtZaG63o8&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b

ladyjade3
12-19-2007, 08:32 PM
For once think outside of your laptops and your computer chairs at home and think about how this White Supremacist donating 500 dollars to the campaign and Ron Paul REFUSING to give it back is going to BACKFIRE on all our efforts. Think for a second on how Main Stream Media just got a hold of this and will use it as pure fire power against our campaign and what we stand for.
Remember actions speak louder than words and in an election this close do we really want to risk losing ANY VOTES that'd it'd be Minority votes or any white people that are truly apposed to any kind of contact with a racist group. You also have to understand that this isn't just some random white supremacists nut that donated, this is one of there MAIN LEADERS that broadcasts on there radio. If you guys ever got a shot at going to there forums and seeing how fucking sick the majority of the people in there are then please go ahead and be my guest see how distorted there views are and ho diffrent they are from what we all stand for. If you want RON PAUL to win then you will demand that he please not go against massive outcry and go with his grass root folks that have raised millions for him and give the money BACK we don't fucking need hate money and I for one don't want the freedom that Ron Paul Advocates being endorsed or corrupted by sick fucks.
Thank you, Pardon my french btw.

Why would you want a white supremacist to have that $500 and not Ron Paul? I don't get the logic.

Ozwest
12-19-2007, 08:34 PM
Tropicangela'

http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/news/ Here's the link to the interview that should answer all your questions.

liberty_rp08
12-19-2007, 08:36 PM
Most informed people know that Don Black is a crypto-Zionist. These stupid "white supremacist" groups work for the ADL. It's a symbiotic relationship.

tropicangela
12-19-2007, 08:37 PM
Thank you for posting, I saw the video on YouTube. I still wish he'd donate that measly $500 to sick kids for Christmas or something. Just get rid of it but don't give it back to the sleezebag.

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 08:37 PM
Why would you want a white supremacist to have that $500 and not Ron Paul? I don't get the logic.
Dumb Argument why would you want him to keep it? When he dosen't need hate money ?

christagious
12-19-2007, 08:38 PM
Nice ....very nice!
This is Dr. Ron Paul at his best. Trust that resonable people will see the transparency of the MSM and that our Candidate will cut through the BS and speak the plain truth.

Majority of the people who actually exercise their right to vote aren't reasonable and do not see the transparency of the MSM. That is what is dangerous. This is why we need to be out in full force to get the message out.

christagious
12-19-2007, 08:39 PM
Thank you for posting, I saw the video on YouTube. I still wish he'd donate that measly $500 to sick kids for Christmas or something. Just get rid of it but don't give it back to the sleezebag.

Why donate money to sick kids in a White Supremacist's name?

Ozwest
12-19-2007, 08:42 PM
Thank you for posting, I saw the video on YouTube. I still wish he'd donate that measly $500 to sick kids for Christmas or something. Just get rid of it but don't give it back to the sleezebag.
It's a tough call. I thought he defended his position well.

tropicangela
12-19-2007, 08:42 PM
Why donate money to sick kids in a White Supremacist's name?

Is the White Supremacist donating money to sick kids? No he's donating to Ron Paul and he says it's to end the war, but is it? How does that even make sense if he doesn't like people of color and people in Iraq are colored?

susano
12-19-2007, 08:46 PM
Is the White Supremacist donating money to sick kids? No he's donating to Ron Paul and he says it's to end the war, but is it? How does that even make sense if he doesn't like people of color and people in Iraq are colored?

Angie, don't worry about it. White and black separtists can be anti war, too. The only ones out there murdering the masses are the war machine, which this $500, will go toward ending. Stay on message and be possitive. This too shall pass :)

Goldwater Conservative
12-19-2007, 08:48 PM
They endorse him, not the other way around. Besides which, they're still Americans, with the same concerns many of us share about non-racial issues like fiscal policy and foreign affairs.

Even if Paul capitulated on this, the media would find some other BS to put us in the defensive about. You can't win against someone who controls the debate.

SimpleName
12-19-2007, 08:48 PM
Nah...Ron Paul definitely should not give back the money. It is ridiculous to think that if I gave a $500 donation, that would then be going back into the pocket of a white supremacist. Disgusting and without a doubt, the wrong path morally. Politically, if people take it the wrong way, Paul will have to deal with that. Those people who don't see the logic probably aren't going to be associated with the Paul campaign anyway, so I doubt it will have as big of an effect. And the idea of it being hate money is complete nonsense. Paul didn't use it for hate. He converted hate money into money used for an ultimate goal of freedom and liberty. Giving somebody else's donation for freedom and liberty to hate would be the worst idea. Taking money from honest, caring people and giving it to those who have extreme hatred (without reason) is beyond the meaning of TERRIBLE!

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 08:48 PM
Angie, don't worry about it. White and black separtists can be anti war, too. The only ones out there murdering the masses are the war machine, which this $500, will go toward ending. Stay on message and be possitive. This too shall pass :)
You are clouding the message, Positiveness will not win this campaign SHIT. Realism will and you guys are not being realist.

tropicangela
12-19-2007, 08:52 PM
I think grassroots should urge RP to donate it to a nonpolitical cause... like sick kids on chemo who have no hair as a result of the government mandating vaccines... or autism research from the same problem. Do I smell a positive headline?

Bossobass
12-19-2007, 08:53 PM
Many of the noobs seem to want to burst in the front door and play spin doctor.

Congressman Paul has been at this for decades. Back the hell up and let him do the interviews and stop second guessing what he wears, how he looks, what he says, what he 'shoulda' said, etc., etc., blah, blah.

Git offa yer can and drum up some support.

Black, white, yellow, brown, red and any other color...Ron Paul is your last best hope, regardless of this stupid $500 bullshit contribution...period.

Hillary, Obama and Guliani each received $500,000.00 from Wall Street Bankers in the FIRST QUARTER...why ain't you beatin' your drum about that in their various forums, demanding that they give the dough back? Why aren't you writing letters to Congress and to the editors of every newspaper in America decrying the ridiculous loophole afforded these Banksters by the FEC?

Fatso what's-his-name (the interviewer) should feel embarrassed enough that someone made him ask Ron that idiotic question. Don't be so anxious to join him in the same mistake.

Bosso

Ozwest
12-19-2007, 08:53 PM
You are clouding the message, Positiveness will not win this campaign SHIT. Realism will and you guys are not being realist.
You get my vote for the most boring and dumbass troll I've seen this week.

Yawn...

Pauliana
12-19-2007, 08:54 PM
The problem is, as I see it, if he gives it back, suddenly he's liable for ALL of his donors viewpoints. All the MSM has to do once he takes that position is go through his FEC filings and knock us down one by one and mire him down, instead of letting him talk about his message.

He's done the smart thing.

And it has been pointed out that he DOES accept money from lobbyists, if they are dumb enough to think they are buying something from him, which they aren't. He's not for sale. Thus... he doesn't get much.

VoluntaryMan
12-19-2007, 08:57 PM
I'm sorry, but if Don Black sent a check for $500,000.00 (a far more impactful amount than $500) to the United Negro College Fund, should they return it? Considering what we now know about Mr. Black (that he was one of the goons Bush's campaign mobilized to run Jesse Jackson out of FL, during the 2000 recount), isn't it likely that UNCF would put the money to better use than Mr. Black?

This is a non-issue.

susano
12-19-2007, 08:57 PM
You are clouding the message, Positiveness will not win this campaign SHIT. Realism will and you guys are not being realist.

I really think you should find yourself a good race baiting candidate to support. Bill Richardson might be a place to start. Hillary works, too. While you're at it, send a check to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Or, maybe, they should send YOU a check.

olehounddog
12-19-2007, 08:58 PM
The problem is, as I see it, if he gives it back, suddenly he's liable for ALL of his donors viewpoints. All the MSM has to do once he takes that position is go through his FEC filings and knock us down one by one and mire him down, instead of letting him talk about his message.

He's done the smart thing.

And it has been pointed out that he DOES accept money from lobbyists, if they are dumb enough to think they are buying something from him, which they aren't. He's not for sale. Thus... he doesn't get much.

I agree

susano
12-19-2007, 09:01 PM
You get my vote for the most boring and dumbass troll I've seen this week.

Yawn...


We seem to get our fair share of trolls, lol. They are TERRIFIED of the constitution and our POSSITIVE revolution! There is NO stopping this peace and freedom train!

partypooper
12-19-2007, 09:03 PM
absolutely not, don't return it, it would reinforce the absurd idea that random beliefs of assorted donors are somehow relevant to dr paul clearly stated beliefs and flawless record.

Dave Pedersen
12-19-2007, 09:05 PM
Do you really want Ron Paul to donate $500 to a white supremacist? That makes no sense.

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 09:06 PM
You get my vote for the most boring and dumbass troll I've seen this week.

Yawn...

You get my vote for the most close minded dumb ass I have EVER encountered on and off line. Thanks for trolling back you fucking jack ass. I made a Legitiment argument for my candidate that I have supported by turning from a democrat to a republican, converting a couple of friends, and donating Time and Money to this cause I believe in this message and I'm not going to let internet NERDS like you get the last word when it comes to issues like these that can potentially make or break this election. Thanks for keeping the debate legitimate Jack Ass

WilliamC
12-19-2007, 09:08 PM
Greetings All,


You guys I guess don't see it from my perspective, Wait for the BACKLASH it will speak for itself. If you can remember the 2006 senatorial race Jim Webb beat George Allin because George Allin said ONE Word. The entire Election lost over one dumb action. People do care and they do listen and most of the time they don't educate themselves enough to make an informed decision. All because we know why Ron Paul isn't giving the money back dosen't mean your avg. day Joe who dosen't follow politics and only tunes in once and a while WILL.

Difference is Ron Paul insulted no one by misspeaking, he is just running a campaign and accepting donations to it. Hey I've got a great idea, if you're so d@mn worried about this why don't you send $500 of your own money back to him for Ron Paul? I saw the interview and Neil Cavuto sounded like a FOOL harping on a single contribution out of over 100,000. If you think there is going to be backlash over this you're mistaken. Heck the fact that Ron Paul used a question about Huckabee's Christmas add to point out that America could be lulled into fascism through the flag and the cross didn't cause backlash should tell you that this $500 donation from a politically incorrect supporter won't. Ron Paul has the advantage that he is honest and has never in 10 terms of Congress compromised his integrity. If the media continues to try and use this against him he can merely point out where all of the other candidates money comes from, I'm sure they have scads of unsavory donors if anyone bothered to look.

William C Colley

partypooper
12-19-2007, 09:09 PM
You guys don't get the fact that online polls and forum board debates don't mean shit do you? In the end all that matters are sound bytes and smear campaigns.

if that is all that matters then let's pack our bags and leave. dr paul can not win that war regardless of whether he gives the money or not. his only chance is to change the rules of the game. he might not succeed in that either, but he has a hell of a better chance.

Ozwest
12-19-2007, 09:09 PM
You get my vote for the most close minded dumb ass I have EVER encountered on and off line. Thanks for trolling back you fucking jack ass. I made a Legitiment argument for my candidate that I have supported by turning from a democrat to a republican, converting a couple of friends, and donating Time and Money to this cause I believe in this message and I'm not going to let internet NERDS like you get the last word when it comes to issues like these that can potentially make or break this election. Thanks Jack Ass

Mmmm... Eloquent.

Yawn x 2.

tropicangela
12-19-2007, 09:10 PM
So no one else likes the idea of him donating the $500 to sick kids? LOL Tough crowd.

thisisgiparti
12-19-2007, 09:10 PM
He has said he won't accept lobbyists money and he hasn't. Why is this different? School me please.

Lobbyists "donate" money to see their political aims carried out. They are influencing the votes of their bought politicians.

Don Black donated money as an individual, not as the head of Storm Front. He never gave Ron Paul money with any expectation of Ron Paul promoting white supremacy. Ron Paul never accepted the money for that reason; giving it back would be admitting to some thing he never did.

Once you begin discriminating against people for their beliefs, especially while espousing such libertarian views as Ron Paul does, you look like a hypocrite and a self-righteous prig who panders for votes. There are some people who criticize Ron Paul for wanting to jail Scooter Libby! We all support Ron Paul for fighting for our civil liberties, regardless of who we are.

steph3n
12-19-2007, 09:11 PM
Thats my point we all know this and cherish it because in part its OUR Message, But what are NEW potential voters going to get out of this when they hear the endless soundbytes? Think beyond these forums and beyond the internet and you will see my point.

Check out the PBS NOW special it has a good answer in more detail. This matter has been on huffington post and others for a long time. What is worse, writing a check BACK to a white nationalist or spending that money along with yours and mine that goes for LIBERTY AND FREEDOM for ALL.

Begood
12-19-2007, 09:13 PM
Would YOU consider not voting for RP because of that?

Probably no, then why do you think others could be affected by that?

srmpass98
12-19-2007, 09:14 PM
So no one else likes the idea of him donating the $500 to sick kids? LOL Tough crowd.


Not really because the fundamentals are virtually the same, i.e. using the money. They are not really debating what channels the money goes to but rather the integrity and veracity of the money and if at all it should be accepted as a legitimate donation.

The real question is if this money should be accepted, and I thought Ron Paul's take on it with Cavuto was perhaps his best and strongest interview in a long time.

WilliamC
12-19-2007, 09:15 PM
So no one else likes the idea of him donating the $500 to sick kids? LOL Tough crowd.

Again, as others have pointed out, as soon as Ron Paul "takes responsibility" for a single donor by refunding their money or redirecting it from his campaign the media will use this against him with as many unsavory donors as they can find. It will put him on the defensive for the actions of his supporters, which is an absurd position to be in. If you want to make a gesture send $500 of your own money to charity in Ron Paul's name.
William C Colley

specsaregood
12-19-2007, 09:16 PM
MSM just got ahold of this TODAY. WATCH out for HEADLINES TOMMOROW. You will hear ENDLESS sound bytes msm smearing our candidates Message and him saying that no "I wont Give the money back" to people that if they had the chance would murder every single black/hispanic/asian/jewish/muslim/interacial person in this country and probably the world if they had the chance.

They got ahold of this over a month ago. They trotted it out after the Nov. 5th fundraiser. They decided to trot it out again. It is their tactic to make it look like all that money is coming from neo-nazis.

Ron Paul is right on the issue. Giving back the money is the equivalent of saying, "People that give me money, gain influence over my actions." Ron Paul doesn't roll like that. It is the same reason lobbyists don't bother him.

Instead of cowering before the media, you should honor him by spreading the word of his courage to stand up to special interests.

janeuner
12-19-2007, 09:23 PM
I'm absolutely convinced this "imbrians89" guy is a journalist (faux news?) trying to get one of us to say that we want him to give the $500 back. He'll then write a column about how Ron Paul's supporters want him to give the money back.

Go away troll =/

Ozwest
12-19-2007, 09:24 PM
There.s also the aspect of Individual freedom and liberty.

Whether we agree or disagree with someone's beliefs should be of no consequence, if that person is not disobeying any laws.

specsaregood
12-19-2007, 09:24 PM
If it comes up again on FOX, Ron Paul should point out that the same guy donated to Bush's presidential campaign and they didn't ask him to give the money back.

WilliamC
12-19-2007, 09:27 PM
It goes with the lines of Political Strategy more so then anything else. I really don't care where the money comes from as long as its there. But many people that would potentially vote for Paul would turn away if they found out that some of it came from a white supremacist leader.

Seems to me that it's just you who would turn away from voting for Ron Paul if he doesn't turn this money back.

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 09:28 PM
I'm absolutely convinced this "imbrians89" guy is a journalist (faux news?) trying to get one of us to say that we want him to give the $500 back. He'll then write a column about how Ron Paul's supporters want him to give the money back.

Go away troll =/
Lol I wish I was a high payed journalist ( well maybe not for fox) Redicolous accusation. Go look at my posts and go take a look at my intro post... or how about you take a look at my donation for the 16th? Don't accuse me of random BULL SHIT. K thx ?

Mr. Brian Santos,

Thank you very much for your donation of $50.00 to the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign.

Your donation will allow us to expand and grow our campaign.

We depend on donors like you to help us spread the message of freedom, peace and prosperity through Ron Paul’s candidacy.

Thanks for being a part of the campaign!

Your confirmation number:
T173785-106545915

Commander Yo
12-19-2007, 09:29 PM
Dr. Paul did the right thing. This is a first amendment issue, unfortunately racists have every right to exercise their free speech by donating to a political campaign. I watched the Cavuto interview and Dr. Paul did a great job, however he failed to walk through the open door with respect to Hillary's illegal ponsi scheme money.

A question to ponder:
If Ron Paul gave the money back, would the ALCU come in to defend the "Liberty" of these Racist Jerks to exercise their first Amendment rights?

All that said I hope the Smear Machine fails to exploit this...

imbrians89
12-19-2007, 09:31 PM
Dr. Paul did the right thing. This is a first amendment issue, unfortunately racists have every right to exercise their free speech by donating to a political campaign. I watched the Cavuto interview and Dr. Paul did a great job, however he failed to walk through the open door with respect to Hillary's illegal ponsi scheme money.

A question to ponder:
If Ron Paul gave the money back, would the ALCU come in to defend the "Liberty" of these Racist Jerks to exercise their first Amendment rights?

All that said I hope the Smear Machine fails to exploit this...
I agree with you, I prey that the MSM wont take this and blow it up :(.

Melissa
12-19-2007, 09:34 PM
For once think outside of your laptops and your computer chairs at home and think about how this White Supremacist donating 500 dollars to the campaign and Ron Paul REFUSING to give it back is going to BACKFIRE on all our efforts. Think for a second on how Main Stream Media just got a hold of this and will use it as pure fire power against our campaign and what we stand for.
Remember actions speak louder than words and in an election this close do we really want to risk losing ANY VOTES that'd it'd be Minority votes or any white people that are truly apposed to any kind of contact with a racist group. You also have to understand that this isn't just some random white supremacists nut that donated, this is one of there MAIN LEADERS that broadcasts on there radio. If you guys ever got a shot at going to there forums and seeing how fucking sick the majority of the people in there are then please go ahead and be my guest see how distorted there views are and ho diffrent they are from what we all stand for. If you want RON PAUL to win then you will demand that he please not go against massive outcry and go with his grass root folks that have raised millions for him and give the money BACK we don't fucking need hate money and I for one don't want the freedom that Ron Paul Advocates being endorsed or corrupted by sick fucks.
Thank you, Pardon my french btw.
Once again we have people that do not understand the full freedom message- yes I know it is alot to take in but if you keep trying it will become clear. 1st he WIL NOT pander and if he gives this money back then the next group or person someone does not like comes along we have to give that back - I know it is scary but freedom is for all and he does not have to look at the beliefs to find out if it is OK to take money.

2. You are assuming that we have to bury this to "protect" others from hearing this story --once again that is not freedom --that is someone else telling you what information you can have-- I know it is hard to accept the freedom message completly but once you do you will understand that these things are minor and not worth your time and I think you guys are the ones making this a big deal.

partypooper
12-19-2007, 09:36 PM
If it comes up again on FOX, Ron Paul should point out that the same guy donated to Bush's presidential campaign and they didn't ask him to give the money back.

he has much stronger response. even if bush had been asked to return the money that would have been wrong as well.

Dary
12-19-2007, 09:36 PM
Ron Paul takes money that would have gone for bad purposes (hate and fear) and converts it into money that will go for good purposes (freedom and peace).

Other politicians take money via taxes that would have gone towards good purposes (food and clothing) and they convert it into money that will be used for bad purposes (war and death).

ChristopherBearkat
12-19-2007, 09:43 PM
There are two ways to respond to a negative attack

A) Fight back - This includes spending time talking about how ridiculous the claim is.. How it's the desperation of the other camp for putting this out there ect ect. The downside is that you have to KEEP TALKING about it. Which will run the story into the next news cycle.

B) Ignore it and let it go through the news cycle. Once it's gone, it's old news and you can keep talking about your message. The danger in this is that if your opposition keeps hammering you with the same attack, then it goes through a whole cycle (or two or three) without a response.

I think ignoring it on the whole would be the better option. Dr. Paul stuck to message, which is the best thing he could have done in a hostile interview session. Cavuto wasn't interested in reporting on Dr. Paul so it was no use trying to win him over by backing down.

---

The whole "Give it back" play was originally done when some corrupt businessmen gave money to Obama campaign. Instead of using the money that came from sources linked to one of the scandals that was playing out at the time (and thus, being linked) he simply gave it back. Now, it's suddenly 'conventional wisdom' that you give back money to sources you don't like.

I think the campaigns reacting pretty well. Better get it out now VS when the media spotlight is REALLY burning on us. (Like it is with Huck right now)

knappz
12-19-2007, 09:46 PM
So no one else likes the idea of him donating the $500 to sick kids? LOL Tough crowd.

The idea is that a $500 donation (regardless where it came from) to the Ron Paul campaign, I believe, will help all kids in the long run....

Cigaboo
12-19-2007, 09:52 PM
First, I'm sure people who come from a lot of questionable backgrounds donated to this campaign. Do you want him to screen his thousands of donors and make arbitrary judgements based on them? How far do you take this - do you disclude homosexuals or atheists because fundamentalist christians disapprove of them? You can't please everyone, so why try?

He has already stated in interviews that he isn't going to give the money back simply because he or other people disapprove with the donor's affiliations. To change his mind now would send an even worse message - that he is indecisive.

mt4rp
12-19-2007, 09:59 PM
Even if the money was donated to charity do you think the MSM would report it?

liberty_rp08
12-19-2007, 10:02 PM
Ron responded to this on Neil Cavuto and really put these MSM smearmongers in their place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRtZaG63o8

Gorgy
12-19-2007, 10:05 PM
It's completely true (what Ron said): It hurts the racist guy MORE to take his money and spend it on something constructive than it does to give it back to him so he can use it to fund his website, buy KKK outfits, or distribute copies of Mein Kampf or something. People who say "give it back" are the ones who are supporting a racist, not Dr. Paul.

QuesoPantera
12-19-2007, 10:06 PM
&%(#! That this is Ron's Game and this is how he plays it. We had to wrench our way into the media on sound principles and you want to start waffling now that someone's turned up the heat a little bit? Should I place an order for Ron Paul flip flops now or do you think they'll still be in stock by Christmas?

garyallen59
12-19-2007, 10:10 PM
Ron Paul Will Be Just Fine Stop Running Around In A Fret Like Its The End Of His Campaign Do You Honestly Think Ron Doesn't Know What He's Doing

The Media Will Not Shake Him And It Will Not Shake Us!

sasha_2008
12-19-2007, 10:18 PM
It is actually an old story. It was reissued today as "news" and the "establishment/right wing blogs" went after it. It really is nothing more than dirty politics. It tells me somebody doesn't like his chances.

See also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gKXyBgr24c

elahewu
12-19-2007, 10:25 PM
Old story. Here is an article about this from October 25th. Not sure why they decided to bring it out again. It's been dealt with already.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/25/did-americas-greatest-patriot-get-a-500-donation-from-stormfronts-founder/

AisA1787
12-19-2007, 10:33 PM
Hey, did you guys hear that Ron Paul got money from a white supremacist?

dougkeenan
12-19-2007, 10:45 PM
If Ron Paul wants to accept donations from men who want to french kiss him, that's OK too. Doesn't mean he wants to french kiss back.

cosmeg
12-19-2007, 11:03 PM
Ron Paul For 2008
Defender of LIBERTY something White Supremacist don't really advocate.

Defender of EQUALITY something the White Supremacist REALLY don't advocate

Defender of the Constitution something that White Supremacist would wipe with there own ass as long as it meant mass extinction of minority races. I know who I am supporting, don't try to spin that Bullshit on me.

You do realize you're talking to a bunch of Ron Paul Grassroots Supporters, and not Ron Paul himself, right? If you want to convince him to give it back, email his campaign staff.

As for returning the money, I agree with Ron Paul on his position. Let's discuss something contructive, not destructive, returning the money would be considered flip-flop.

bmcosti
12-19-2007, 11:12 PM
Think about it. Do you really see the greatest champion of individual liberty this century cutting a check to a white supremacist individual. I would never write that check. I think that RP would rather stick needles in his eyes that write that check.

Original_Intent
12-19-2007, 11:14 PM
The campaign handled it perfectly.

NMCB3
12-19-2007, 11:45 PM
It`s impossible to screen every donor for "approved" beliefs. He did the right thing.

SPmachina033
12-20-2007, 12:42 AM
Look, in case you don't know it, even racial separtists have constitutional rights. Oh, I know you hate that, but deal with it. A campaign donation is freedom of speech. Anyone from David Duke to Louis Farrakhan has an interest in liberty and the constituion. Don't like it? Vote for Hillary.

Exactly!

Sorry Imbrians but I don't agree with you. The white supremacists still have the right to donate to whomever they wish. I am positive Ron Paul isn't the only candidate that has received money from that type. He just happened to get money from one who is very well known. The MSM already has it out for RP so it is easy to see why he is being targeted for this. Racism is a terrible thing but it does exist whether we like it or not. Think about how many racist people there are in this country. I know personally atleast a dozen (sadly). But the fact is they are not as open about it so therefore it does not draw as much attention. Not trying to be mean but get over it. If Ron Paul's message is freedom and getting out of people's personal lives then returning the $500 would contradict that...

Castrensis
12-20-2007, 12:52 AM
Considering how Ron Paul handled the direct questioning of Neil Cavuto on Fox today, I say bring it on. That money is spent already and I don't want 500 dollars I donate to Ron Paul to go to a white supremicist. Also, Dr Paul uses this kind of thing to pont out where media takes the focus off the issues. If you haven't seen this interview here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRtZaG63o8&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b

lolz! RP the HAWK! He took the Old Media to the washers with his reasoned rebuttal of a $500 donation amongst millions!

Thanks much for posting!

susano
12-20-2007, 01:01 AM
This story came from hard core left wing/communist blogs, who are way into race baiting. they are the same sources who say Ron is affiliated with the KKK. I won't even link to their sites. Justin Raimondo of AntiWar.com knows who they are. They are vile, anti USA, globalists, who are in over-drive to bring about the new world order. They detest ANYTHING that has to do with the constitution or American soveriegnty. They despise this country. Now, the neocons have dragged it out. IMPORTANT TO KNOW: neocons have communist roots. I'll bet a lot of people don't know that. They have everything in common with the socialist left, even though they appear to be at odds. It is the same animal.

Get educated: http://www.originaldissent.com/shpak051502.html

Aaron Zelman, of Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership, has already debunked attacks from the ADL neocons, on behalf of Ron Paul.

This is an OLD story. Do not give it any more concern.

BTW, is it not interesting that Neil Cavuto, who is supposed to be a finacial reporter, didn't interview Ron Paul, the most astute person in Washington when it comes to economics, about finance? It's because he's a Fox News neoCON with anti constitution, globalist agenda.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
12-20-2007, 01:29 AM
I saw the interview and Neil Cavuto sounded like a FOOL harping on a single contribution out of over 100,000. If you think there is going to be backlash over this you're mistaken. Heck the fact that Ron Paul used a question about Huckabee's Christmas add to point out that America could be lulled into fascism through the flag and the cross didn't cause backlash should tell you that this $500 donation from a politically incorrect supporter won't. Ron Paul has the advantage that he is honest and has never in 10 terms of Congress compromised his integrity. If the media continues to try and use this against him he can merely point out where all of the other candidates money comes from, I'm sure they have scads of unsavory donors if anyone bothered to look.

I agree completely.

And why would the media suggest that Paul should be writing checks to white supremacists? That's stupid.

Paul's fighting an uphill battle with the media anyway. I think he scored big with his response on Cavuto, and there's no reason to change his position. He arrived there by sound logic.

tomveil
12-20-2007, 01:33 AM
If the media continues to try and use this against him he can merely point out where all of the other candidates money comes from, I'm sure they have scads of unsavory donors if anyone bothered to look.

And Ron Paul won't even have to. Because we'll do it for them. Somebody mentioned this guy donated to Bush in 2000. Seems like a good enough place to start.

"Frankly, [idiot reporter], I'm getting tired of this ridiculous question. I used that $500 that was going to be used for evil, and I used it to spread the message of freedom and liberty. Why would I want him to have it? And secondly, why wasn't this a story in 2000 when he donated money to George Bush? We're not the thought police. We shouldn't be asked to screen out donors, because PEOPLE GIVING ME MONEY DOES NOT INFLUENCE MY POLITICS. Is that a problem with other campaigns?"

(As you can see, I like my Ron Paul in Kick Ass Against Stupidity mode)

Hope
12-20-2007, 01:33 AM
Dumb Argument why would you want him to keep it? When he dosen't need hate money ?

What next? Should Ron Paul not accept donations from atheists because he is Christian? Should he not accept donations from Truthers just because he doesn't think 9/11 wasn't orchestrated by the gov't? How about people who don't like Ayn Rand? Or the people who don't like chocolate chip cookies (Ron Paul's an avid fan, after all)?

liberty_rp08
12-20-2007, 01:36 AM
What next? Should Ron Paul not accept donations from atheists because he is Christian? Should he not accept donations from Truthers just because he doesn't think 9/11 wasn't orchestrated by the gov't? How about people who don't like Ayn Rand? Or the people who don't like chocolate chip cookies (Ron Paul's an avid fan, after all)?

Exactly! Ron Paul does not play along with the media's stupid politically correct 'guilt by association' game. He is a man of principle. That's what we love about him. :)

Nash
12-20-2007, 01:54 AM
I'm not sure if this has been addressed already because it's a really long thread but to further the above posters point: If Ron Paul gives this donation back he's opening the door to give a LOT more donations back to anyone and everyone who has weird beliefs or bizarre associations.

If it was about the 500 bucks he would have done it already, but by returning the donation he will just add fuel to the fire and then they'll find another group of people who he needs to give back money to, and so on and so forth. It will tie up the whole campaign dealing with this crap instead of actually focusing on winning the election.

Eponym_mi
12-20-2007, 02:06 AM
The people whining to return the money are looking at this backward. Ron Paul isn't supporting any white supremacy agenda by keeping the money and using it for his campaign. Ron Paul's campaign has nothing to do with a white supremacy agenda! If some white supremacist wants to contribute to Ron Paul, his contribution will do nothing to promote a white supremacy agenda, but instead promote an agenda for equality under the law.

Suppose Hillary Clinton gave Ron Paul $2300. Should he return it merely because Hillary's agenda opposes much of what he stands for?

Returning the money would be questionable even if the contributor was expecting favors in return. Obviously Ron Paul shouldn't grant any special favors, but is it necessary that he read the mind of every contributor and judge the motives behind the contribution?

Don Black is a plant. And Ron Paul isn't renting out the Lincoln bedroom.

kushaze
12-20-2007, 02:07 AM
Ron Paul should just give me the $500 and then I will donate it back to Ron Paul in a different name.

all J's in IL for RP
12-20-2007, 02:27 AM
The most disturbing thing I've seen in this thread was when a member with 2,000+ posts told a member with 20 posts to leave the board and go vote for Hillary.

No, let's not correct the newbie's misconception that posting to a grassroots forum is not the same as e-mailing the campaign. Let's not try to explain why returning the money might be a bad move (since the opposition would only find another disreputable donation) or why Paul's logic on this issue, showing his consistency on freedom and refusal to pander, is ultimately a winning tactic.

Let's call him a troll and a media plant and shoo him off the board.

Way to build the movement, jackass.

HooterandGreenway.com
12-20-2007, 02:40 AM
Not sure if I can add to the thread but...

There's No way Ron Paul should give this money back.

Why when I look at this years Presidential Race... Why, is Ron Paul the only candidate that seems like he is actually running for the presidency.

The others are running for Pastor, or Oprahs Secretary, or Mayor...

The media treats it like a popularity contest. America's political landscape has turned into the worst of High School politics.

I turn on CNN today, during a busy day in which I had about 10 mins to watch television. First thing I find out about is... 16 year old Jamie-Lynn Pregnant Spears. Then I get to learn about Tony Romo and Jessica Simpson for a few minutes. Some talk about Huckabee's Cross and thats it.

And when they finally do actual news on the "news channels" and they have Ron Paul on, they... want catchy one word answers, and get his views on fuzzy christmas commercials...

"WHO CARES IF THEY WISH YOU MERRY CHRISTMAS... I'D RATHER ELECT A GUY WHO WANTS ME TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO ACTUALLY "HAVE CHRISTMAS"

I am registered, and will be voting RON PAUL on Primary Day.

eloquensanity
12-20-2007, 02:52 AM
And this is a PRIVATE Political Affiliated Establishment where his supporters (Me and so many others) are using that first amendment right to try to influence him to give the money back. This is why Ron Paul is rode off in the news and in so many other things. You guys don't understand that we will never win without the media and that sometimes things like this hurt people profoundly. How do you think some people that donated on the 16th (Including Myself) feel about sharing the same spotlight(MoneyWise) with a racist nut? How do you think new voters would feel?

The media would certainly find or manufacture some other thing even if RP did what you ask.
Everytime he did what he was told to do they would find something new. Its called manipulation.
It obviously works on you, and if you want someone to tell you how to think and behave you are probably in the wrong camp.

We endorse freedom here and not hate groups or any other groups for that matter.

I would prefer that the money be spent to fight for our freedoms than to be given back to be used for hate which you and the media seem hell bent on doing.

IKR Keeps Repeating
12-20-2007, 02:55 AM
The media would certainly find or manufacture some other thing even if RP did what you ask.
Everytime he did what he was told to do they would find something new. Its called manipulation.
It obviously works on you, and if you want someone to tell you how to think and behave you are probably in the wrong camp.

We endorse freedom here and not hate groups or any other groups for that matter.

I would prefer that the money be spent to fight for our freedoms than to be given back to be used for hate which you and the media seem hell bent on doing.

We're all here to support Ron Paul. Don't be divisive.

noztnac
12-20-2007, 02:57 AM
For once think outside of your laptops and your computer chairs at home and think about how this White Supremacist donating 500 dollars to the campaign and Ron Paul REFUSING to give it back is going to BACKFIRE on all our efforts. Think for a second on how Main Stream Media just got a hold of this and will use it as pure fire power against our campaign and what we stand for.
Remember actions speak louder than words and in an election this close do we really want to risk losing ANY VOTES that'd it'd be Minority votes or any white people that are truly apposed to any kind of contact with a racist group. You also have to understand that this isn't just some random white supremacists nut that donated, this is one of there MAIN LEADERS that broadcasts on there radio. If you guys ever got a shot at going to there forums and seeing how fucking sick the majority of the people in there are then please go ahead and be my guest see how distorted there views are and ho diffrent they are from what we all stand for. If you want RON PAUL to win then you will demand that he please not go against massive outcry and go with his grass root folks that have raised millions for him and give the money BACK we don't fucking need hate money and I for one don't want the freedom that Ron Paul Advocates being endorsed or corrupted by sick fucks.
Thank you, Pardon my french btw.


It would be hard for me to disagree with you more. The only massive outcry I hear is for freedom. In America you are free to be a racist. Personally I am not but that guy has every right to support any political candidate he chooses. I find your opinion far scarier than his.

tttar
12-20-2007, 03:02 AM
I was afraid there'd be a big scandal about that when it first happened, but now also think it can be handled by just taking the opportunity to emphasize how RP is MUCH farther away from the fascist way of thinking than anyone else running.

(He just called Huckabee that, didn't he? :) )

With one exception - he believes everyone should have free speech, including fascists - which surely is one reason why what's-his-name donated to him.

He panders to nobody.

Pride
12-20-2007, 07:07 AM
I'd like to add my opinion to help you better understand why the White Nationalists support Ron Paul. The Ron Paul campaign and the White Nationalist movement finds common ground on a number of issues. These include:

1. The war in Iraq. The White Nationalist's believe we are fighting a war for Israel and the Jews, they want our troops out immediately.
2. War propaganda against Iran. The White Nationalist movement favors Iran, as again they believe Israel is looking for war.
3. Border security. They believe Ron Paul has the best solution to stopping another 20 million illegals Mexicans from crossing over. That is achieved by bringing the troops home from the 140+ countries that America has them stationed in so that they may defend our sovereignty.
4. The North American Union. A pivotal point in this campaign, they view this as the 'doomsday' - the point of no return for a white America.
5. Foreign policy. The White Nationalists believe that things are so bad in America on a racial scale and a social/political/economic/cultural scale, that we should be fixing our problems at home first rather then nation building.
6. The media. Both the Ron Paul campaign and the White Nationalist movement have come up against the tyranny of the media. The White Nationalists believe that the media is controlled by Zionists, which has other agendas at heart then Americas.

At the end of the day, they both support various issues but for different reasons.

gilliganscorner
12-20-2007, 07:07 AM
For once think outside of your laptops and your computer chairs at home and think about how this White Supremacist donating 500 dollars to the campaign and Ron Paul REFUSING to give it back is going to BACKFIRE on all our efforts. Think for a second on how Main Stream Media just got a hold of this and will use it as pure fire power against our campaign and what we stand for.
Remember actions speak louder than words and in an election this close do we really want to risk losing ANY VOTES that'd it'd be Minority votes or any white people that are truly apposed to any kind of contact with a racist group. You also have to understand that this isn't just some random white supremacists nut that donated, this is one of there MAIN LEADERS that broadcasts on there radio. If you guys ever got a shot at going to there forums and seeing how fucking sick the majority of the people in there are then please go ahead and be my guest see how distorted there views are and ho diffrent they are from what we all stand for. If you want RON PAUL to win then you will demand that he please not go against massive outcry and go with his grass root folks that have raised millions for him and give the money BACK we don't fucking need hate money and I for one don't want the freedom that Ron Paul Advocates being endorsed or corrupted by sick fucks.
Thank you, Pardon my french btw.


Don Black also donated to George Bush's campaign in '04, but it wasn't reported in the media (why?) nor was it given back.
What about all the special interest groups (miltary industrial complex, Viacom donates heavily to McCain because he introduces legislation a week after Viacom announces the will by CBS, Halliburton, the list goes on and on) that give money to candidates/politicians and defraud the taxpayer?
I heard Hillary took a million dollars from Pakistan - it is true, should she give it back? In this case, yes, because no foreigners are legally allowed to donate, are they not?


Here. Look at this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRtZaG63o8) Neil Cavuto tries to set him up, but RP takes him to school and Cavuto realizes he is left with nothing. He just stammers and moves along, realizing there is nothing to see here...

Xanax Nation
12-20-2007, 07:21 AM
Again, I just wanted to point out that it was not a "group" that donated. It was a single individual. If Black had bundled donations from Stormfront or the KKK, or made donations on behalf of his site or organization, then no question the money would be returned, as this is a form of lobbying, which Paul has no use for.

Pride
12-20-2007, 07:33 AM
Again, I just wanted to point out that it was not a "group" that donated. It was a single individual. If Black had bundled donations from Stormfront or the KKK, or made donations on behalf of his site or organization, then no question the money would be returned, as this is a form of lobbying, which Paul has no use for.

You would be surprised. A lot of people over at Stormfront support him.

bobbysheldon
12-20-2007, 08:40 AM
"Check out the nice smearing of Ron Paul below...they're finally putting him in the papers but making him out to look horrible. Do some digging today, I'd like us to send in an editorial highlighting all the other candidates questionable donations and include RP's response from last night which they obviously didn't feel entitled to include. Unfucking believable. " - From my GF...we'll be writing up the editorial tonight after work...if you have any ammo on other candidates and backup please PM me with it.



Thursday, December 20, 2007
Nation/Worlds Briefs
Paul keeps white supremacist's $500
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday. Don Black of West Palm Beach recently made the donation, according to campaign filings. He runs a Web site called Stormfront with the motto "White Pride World Wide."
Heart illness blamed in coaster death

Paul/Belichick08
12-20-2007, 08:53 AM
It would be the height of cowardice and hypocrisy to return that donation now. Everything Ron has fought for in his career and everything we supposedly stand for would be pointless if we let the vulture media tell us what to do. He has denounced white supremacists, stated that no contributors will influence him, and pointed out that his whole platform is against racism, what more do you want him to do?

micahnelson
12-20-2007, 08:59 AM
This letter is making the rounds.


Comrades:

I have kept quiet about the Ron Paul campaign for a while, because I didn't see any need to say anything that would cause any trouble. However, reading the latest release from his campaign spokesman, I am compelled to tell the truth about Ron Paul's extensive involvement in white nationalism.

Both Congressman Paul and his aides regularly meet with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review, and others at the Tara Thai restaurant in Arlington, Virginia, usually on Wednesdays. This is part of a dinner that was originally organized by Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis and Joe Sobran, and has since been mostly taken over by the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I have attended these dinners, seen Paul and his aides there, and been invited to his offices in Washington to discuss policy.

For his spokesman to call white racialism a "small ideology" and claim white activists are "wasting their money" trying to influence Paul is ridiculous. Paul is a white nationalist of the Stormfront type who has always kept his racial views and his views about world Judaism quiet because of his political position.

I don't know that it is necessarily good for Paul to "expose" this. However, he really is someone with extensive ties to white nationalism and for him to deny that in the belief he will be more respectable by denying it is outrageous - and I hate seeing people in the press who denounce racialism merely because they think it is not fashionable.

Bill White, Commander
American National Socialist Workers Party

If it is true, then I can't really support Ron Paul anymore. I really doubt it is true, at least in the terms the author is saying.

If it is not true there needs to be an immediate lawsuit. This is slander in the highest terms.

Pride
12-20-2007, 09:00 AM
This letter is making the rounds.



If it is true, then I can't really support Ron Paul anymore. I really doubt it is true, at least in the terms the author is saying.

If it is not true there needs to be an immediate lawsuit. This is slander in the highest terms.

It's just a hoax. More lies, slander and propaganda.

micahnelson
12-20-2007, 09:02 AM
It's just a hoax. More lies, slander and propaganda.

I figured as much, but he needs to sue them.

Peace&Freedom
12-20-2007, 09:27 AM
Giving the money back would be the same thing as showing blood when you're surrounded by a crowd of media sharks and vampires. IT'S THE LAST THING YOU EVER WANT TO DO. Don't let the pricks prick you, Ron, it's a set up for the kill!

Xanax Nation
12-20-2007, 09:34 AM
You would be surprised. A lot of people over at Stormfront support him.


I am not denying that supremacists support his policies. What I am denying is that it is an organized donation, and that it is made on behalf of the KKK or Stormfront. That type of donation would be rejected outright, as you know it should.

angelatc
12-20-2007, 09:39 AM
MSM just got ahold of this TODAY.

Welcome to the Revolution. YOu might want to Google "Ron Paul Racist" to avoid another shock.

Really, this thing has been out there for months. If Paul gave it back now he would look weak and indecisive. THe people who are ranting about this are looking for something to rant about. Returning the money won't win him a single vote.

LukeNM
12-20-2007, 09:49 AM
He said that $500 was already spent! So, do you want him to give back your $500 -- if so, you can just mail it directly...

propanes
12-20-2007, 10:38 AM
Ron will be on Meet the Press for a full hour, the week following this 'news'.

If asked Ron will be able to explain his position and turn this into a positive.

DaronWestbrooke
12-20-2007, 10:43 AM
Don't fall for all of this bullshit. This is just a poor attempt at guilt by association. Unless and until there is a 100% vetting of each and every contribution by all candidates this is a game played for the corporate media.

Melissa
12-20-2007, 10:48 AM
Don't fall for all of this bullshit. This is just a poor attempt at guilt by association. Unless and until there is a 100% vetting of each and every contribution by all candidates this is a game played for the corporate media.

This I so agree with if he gives it back it is pandering and Dr. paul does not do that and until they make all candidates check to see where thier money is from this is a non issue and if anyone really looks at this as a basis to not for for Dr. Paul i would bet they would not vote for him anyway because they already called him crazy so you would have to look up his views and anyone that does that will vote for him

jenninlouisiana
12-20-2007, 10:49 AM
What if this white supremacist told YOU that YOU couldn't donate 500.00 because he doesnt' like what YOU stand for.

Let it die.

gilliganscorner
12-20-2007, 10:52 AM
This issue can be easily understood w/ the old media blue print: (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=61190)

Kapt Nemo
12-20-2007, 11:01 AM
And this is a PRIVATE Political Affiliated Establishment where his supporters (Me and so many others) are using that first amendment right to try to influence him to give the money back. This is why Ron Paul is rode off in the news and in so many other things. You guys don't understand that we will never win without the media and that sometimes things like this hurt people profoundly. How do you think some people that donated on the 16th (Including Myself) feel about sharing the same spotlight(MoneyWise) with a racist nut? How do you think new voters would feel?



OK I'm calling Troll at this post.. I've only made it to this one while considering which post to reply to. Since you're "new" to the movement you should be using the SEARCH option when researching. Also I'm happy that Paul kept $500 from a white supremacist, simply because that's $500 less that idiot can spend on his hate mongering. Now you want to rely on the MSM which without change will never support Paul, because their owners won't allow that... And as far as how voters should feel "sharing the same spotlight" as him.. they should feel proud the Paul stands by the Constitution and won't flip flop because it MIGHT make him look bad...


-Nemo-

warmth of the sun
12-20-2007, 11:01 AM
As much as most of us do not agree at all with racists, the truth is, their freedom of speech is secured by the Constitution. If Ron Paul gave back money to people he personally disagreed with on certain things, he would be going against his own principles. If the MSM really wants to take this all the way, it would mean all the candidates would have to screen everyone that donates to make sure they agree with them in all issues.

Kregener
12-20-2007, 11:07 AM
I hear tell that a person in the porn industry donated to RP's campaign too!

And a 9/11 truther.

And a homosexual.

And someone who had an abortion.

And an adulterer.

And a pagan.

And a....:rolleyes:

Thurston Howell III
12-20-2007, 11:08 AM
We should remember this when the other candidates take their matching funds next month. Remember, racists pay taxes too, so they will, in a sense, be contributing to the other campaigns. We should demand they give a portion back so as not to be using any contributions by racists.....or any other bad group you want to name.

DrRich
12-20-2007, 11:23 AM
MSM just got ahold of this TODAY..


Negative ghost rider.

MSM had this for awhile now.

chill mate.

VoluntaryMan
12-20-2007, 11:26 AM
So no one else likes the idea of him donating the $500 to sick kids? LOL Tough crowd.

I wonder how Mr. Black (and the socialistic press) would like it if Dr Paul decided to donate $500.00 to JPFO, in Don Black's name.:eek:

pickdog
12-20-2007, 11:30 AM
MSM just got ahold of this TODAY. WATCH out for HEADLINES TOMMOROW. You will hear ENDLESS sound bytes msm smearing our candidates Message and him saying that no "I wont Give the money back" to people that if they had the chance would murder every single black/hispanic/asian/jewish/muslim/interacial person in this country and probably the world if they had the chance.

and this is any different than the NWO plans? welcome but I do think you are getting too riled up about this.

the bottom line is this. they have a right to donate to any cause they desire.

it does not mean any candidate endorses their belief system.

VoluntaryMan
12-20-2007, 11:34 AM
We should remember this when the other candidates take their matching funds next month. Remember, racists pay taxes too, so they will, in a sense, be contributing to the other campaigns. We should demand they give a portion back so as not to be using any contributions by racists.....or any other bad group you want to name.

Hey, if I call Bush an effin' honky, can I get my tax dollars back, too?

VoluntaryMan
12-20-2007, 11:53 AM
Dumb Argument why would you want him to keep it? When he dosen't need hate money ?:confused:

I support Ron Paul because I HATE neocons. Are you gonna insist that he give back my "hate money," too? Please, don't.

VoluntaryMan
12-20-2007, 12:00 PM
[LIST]
Don Black also donated to George Bush's campaign in '04, but it wasn't reported in the media (why?) nor was it given back.


I wonder how Bush would feel about cutting Don Black a check, right now. He should hold a press conference. And, he should make it one of those 4 foot cardboard checks.

Thurston Howell III
12-20-2007, 12:20 PM
Hey, if I call Bush an effin' honky, can I get my tax dollars back, too?

You can try, but it didn't work for me! :)

But, it does point out the absurdity behind the argument to give it back doesn't it.

angelatc
12-20-2007, 12:30 PM
You guys I guess don't see it from my perspective, Wait for the BACKLASH it will speak for itself. If you can remember the 2006 senatorial race Jim Webb beat George Allin because George Allin said ONE Word. The entire Election lost over one dumb action. People do care and they do listen and most of the time they don't educate themselves enough to make an informed decision. All because we know why Ron Paul isn't giving the money back dosen't mean your avg. day Joe who dosen't follow politics and only tunes in once and a while WILL.

The same guy supported GWB in the last 2 elections, so there goes that theory.

DrRich
12-20-2007, 12:58 PM
I hear tell that a person in the porn industry donated to RP's campaign too!

And a 9/11 truther.

And a homosexual.

And someone who had an abortion.

And an adulterer.

And a pagan.

And a....:rolleyes:

I mean, God forbid... you have to be perfect to give money to the campaign... dontcha know? :rolleyes:

BillyG
12-20-2007, 01:13 PM
Dr. Paul said the money will be used to spread Freedom... If he gave it back it would be used to spread hatered, I agree with Ron he should just keep the money.

Ron Paul Fan
12-20-2007, 01:36 PM
I agree 100% with what Ron Paul is doing. Remember that he said on PBS' NOW that he doesn't want their money. But to give it back when it's already given so that it can be used to spread hatred is ludicrous! Why not keep it and spread the message of individual liberty and freedom? My friend who is supporting Ron Paul got pulled over for drunk driving once. He's donated to Ron Paul. Are we supposed to conclude that ALL Ron Paul supporters are drunk drivers? Of course not. Should Ron Paul give the money back because my friend broke the law? Of course not. There are people across the country who give to campaigns both Republican and Democrat that probably hate a certain group of people. Should we screen everybody that ever gives to a political campaign and make sure that they have never made a misake and are of good moral character in all facets of life?

Don Black
12-20-2007, 06:42 PM
[LIST]
Don Black also donated to George Bush's campaign in '04, but it wasn't reported in the media (why?) nor was it given back.

I guess one reason is that it never happened. But I keep seeing this claim all over this board, including one poster's sig.

Say anything on the Net seven times and it becomes a "fact."

I'll admit not being able to resist protesting a Jesse Jackson rally two miles from my house during the 2000 post-election debacle, and I guess that's all some people need to prove I'm really a Jewish neo-con out to wreck the Paul campaign.

Just like Bill White's claim that Ron Paul regularly meets with White Nationalists at a Thai restaurant in Arlington. No shred of proof, just say it a few times. Unfortunately, it's not true (though I have been to that restaurant). White is an attention whore and sometime informant, a former communist who discovered a few years ago that he could get more attention as a Halloween Nazi. He doesn't represent us.

user
12-20-2007, 06:55 PM
Unfortunately, it's not true (though I have been to that restaurant).

I would say it is very fortunate.

TwiLeXia
12-20-2007, 07:52 PM
Hmm. It's interesting. Ron Paul seems to be able to handle it well though, but I wonder if people are really turned off by it.

braumstr
12-20-2007, 09:57 PM
Wow did Dr. Paul ever smoke this issue or what?

LinearChaos
12-20-2007, 10:32 PM
Welcome to the Revolution. YOu might want to Google "Ron Paul Racist" to avoid another shock.QFT.

Truer words could not be spoken.

Thicken your skin folks, things are gong to get rough, and this is the angle they are going to take, zionism, racism, gender, you name it. RP is well aware that this is the angle they would take, it has been bubbling up with the usual filth that comes from the establishment true believers.

Wedge issues. Eyes on the prize. "Since when did you stop being racist?" is a false premise. You gotta dismiss that shit for what it is, and not get bogged down bickering over a wedge. Hammer them on what really matters instead: war, inflation, empire, torture, secrecy, etc.

tttar
12-20-2007, 10:43 PM
I'd like to add my opinion to help you better understand why the White Nationalists support Ron Paul. The Ron Paul campaign and the White Nationalist movement finds common ground on a number of issues. These include:

1. The war in Iraq. The White Nationalist's believe we are fighting a war for Israel and the Jews, they want our troops out immediately.
2. War propaganda against Iran. The White Nationalist movement favors Iran, as again they believe Israel is looking for war.
3. Border security. They believe Ron Paul has the best solution to stopping another 20 million illegals Mexicans from crossing over. That is achieved by bringing the troops home from the 140+ countries that America has them stationed in so that they may defend our sovereignty.
4. The North American Union. A pivotal point in this campaign, they view this as the 'doomsday' - the point of no return for a white America.
5. Foreign policy. The White Nationalists believe that things are so bad in America on a racial scale and a social/political/economic/cultural scale, that we should be fixing our problems at home first rather then nation building.
6. The media. Both the Ron Paul campaign and the White Nationalist movement have come up against the tyranny of the media. The White Nationalists believe that the media is controlled by Zionists, which has other agendas at heart then Americas.

At the end of the day, they both support various issues but for different reasons.

Well, I've been toying with this idea:

If it weren't for the racism/racial hatred, the White Nationalists wouldn't be such bad people. Apart from that, they do have some good things to say, and apart from that, that would make them much better people than the rest.

But that's like adding sugar to poison.

Racism to me is walking into a maternity ward and separating out the "good" from the "evil" ones.

Pretty sick stuff.

I don't have a problem, though, with Ron Paul keeping the donation. It wasn't wrong, and he can make a talking point out of it.

bhull
12-20-2007, 10:51 PM
It's only an issue because some people (and I mean this with no malicious intent) really have no understanding of what a free society would look like. This is just another MSM tactic get used to it, it wont be the last.

Also, welcome to politics!

daikonv
12-20-2007, 11:04 PM
why the hell should he give the money back? as a symbolic gesture? to symbolically say "to hell with your ideology!"? Already done without having to return the money. I definitely don't agree that Dr. Paul should pander by giving the money back. He can do a whole lot more good spending that money towards a positive goal than to give the money back. And to people who say he should donate the money, do you think charities should accept known white supremacist money? If they do, why aren't they held to the same standard? I never understood the logic of returning the money. It makes no freakin sense and is just pandering to political correctness. Dr. Paul didn't pander to the hispanic crowd when he said he would trade with Cuba, and I would hope he wouldn't in this scenario either.

Doriath
12-20-2007, 11:06 PM
Look, I have the solution.

Ron Paul should give the money to me, Doriath.

I promise to spend it all on beer. Honest, I'll even post recipts. :D

dawnbt
12-20-2007, 11:56 PM
..

daikonv
12-21-2007, 12:00 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=894437

Don Black has commented in the Hot Topics forum. Here's a search on his posts. It looks like its legitimately him. Seems like he believes all press is good press...

dawnbt
12-21-2007, 12:03 AM
&%(#! That this is Ron's Game and this is how he plays it. We had to wrench our way into the media on sound principles and you want to start waffling now that someone's turned up the heat a little bit? Should I place an order for Ron Paul flip flops now or do you think they'll still be in stock by Christmas?

Word!

dawnbt
12-21-2007, 12:07 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=894437

Don Black has commented in the Hot Topics forum. Here's a search on his posts. It looks like its legitimately him. Seems like he believes all press is good press...

Dude, if that's for real, I'm sorry. I got the information from that post?.:confused:

tropicangela
12-21-2007, 12:13 AM
That search string isn't working for me.

Golding
12-21-2007, 01:08 AM
For once think outside of your laptops and your computer chairs at home and think about how this White Supremacist donating 500 dollars to the campaign and Ron Paul REFUSING to give it back is going to BACKFIRE on all our efforts. Think for a second on how Main Stream Media just got a hold of this and will use it as pure fire power against our campaign and what we stand for.
Remember actions speak louder than words and in an election this close do we really want to risk losing ANY VOTES that'd it'd be Minority votes or any white people that are truly apposed to any kind of contact with a racist group. You also have to understand that this isn't just some random white supremacists nut that donated, this is one of there MAIN LEADERS that broadcasts on there radio. If you guys ever got a shot at going to there forums and seeing how fucking sick the majority of the people in there are then please go ahead and be my guest see how distorted there views are and ho diffrent they are from what we all stand for. If you want RON PAUL to win then you will demand that he please not go against massive outcry and go with his grass root folks that have raised millions for him and give the money BACK we don't fucking need hate money and I for one don't want the freedom that Ron Paul Advocates being endorsed or corrupted by sick fucks.
Thank you, Pardon my french btw.I disagree. Ron Paul is not the moral judge of his donors, and he is clear that his stances are his own uninfluenced viewpoints. To return the money is to concede that he is somehow at fault for receiving money from an unsavory character. Strength against this smear will, in the long run, only make Ron Paul look better than his counterparts.

i2ambler
12-21-2007, 11:13 AM
stop making a mountain out of a molehill

Racism is a mountain.

mcanavan69
12-21-2007, 11:26 AM
The starter of this thread is an agent guys. 14 out of his 23 posts were in this thread alone.

I see nothing wrong with someone with their own ideals and beliefs, even though they may not coinside with the PC, donating money to anyone they feel like.

I didnt see anyone complain when thousands of people and companies donated money for the Jena 6...

I have read up on Mr. Black, and he never claims to be a "Neo-Nazi"

He believes in freedom in America just like you and I do.

If Ron Paul has to start keeping up with where his donations come from, than I want Osama Obama, and Billary to keep up with theirs too.

Deal with it...Rock-n-Roall:mad:

anaconda
12-21-2007, 11:29 AM
The campaign's response many weeks ago was PERFECT:

"If people with views that Congressman Paul disagrees with want to send him money, then it's their loss."

I like that Ron can't be bullied with petty nonsense. The money contributes to his vision.

Unlike other campaigns, contributions to the RP campaign DO NOT buy special favors.

Go Ron Paul!

DirtMcGirt
12-21-2007, 11:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otwKWzdu7Ps


dude if you think a guy in fla and his band of nitwits will stop the revolution, you are insane!!!

Australia_for_RonPaul2008
12-21-2007, 07:19 PM
I guess one reason is that it never happened. But I keep seeing this claim all over this board, including one poster's sig.

Say anything on the Net seven times and it becomes a "fact."

I'll admit not being able to resist protesting a Jesse Jackson rally two miles from my house during the 2000 post-election debacle, and I guess that's all some people need to prove I'm really a Jewish neo-con out to wreck the Paul campaign.

Just like Bill White's claim that Ron Paul regularly meets with White Nationalists at a Thai restaurant in Arlington. No shred of proof, just say it a few times. Unfortunately, it's not true (though I have been to that restaurant). White is an attention whore and sometime informant, a former communist who discovered a few years ago that he could get more attention as a Halloween Nazi. He doesn't represent us.

Don Black you Neo-Con shill, you won't stop Ron Paul..stop bringing him down!

Pride
12-21-2007, 08:26 PM
Don Black you Neo-Con shill, you won't stop Ron Paul..stop bringing him down!

I don't think he wants to stop Ron Paul

acroso
12-21-2007, 09:26 PM
Who gives a damn about this.

Some people are fucking obsessed with being politically correct. Paul doesn't play gotch games like the mainstream candidates.

Besides it turned out to be neocons donating anyways.

chipvogel
12-21-2007, 09:37 PM
Al Gore didn't worry about Fred Phelps....why is anyone giving this any concern?

Matt Collins
12-21-2007, 10:26 PM
........

krm
12-22-2007, 07:17 PM
Thats my point we all know this and cherish it because in part its OUR Message, But what are NEW potential voters going to get out of this when they hear the endless soundbytes? Think beyond these forums and beyond the internet and you will see my point.

You saw through the propaganda, didn't you? That you, as a blanket statement, can't trust others to see through it as well may say more about you than the others.

You've been involved for...what...1 week now? Since the 16th, as you said in an earlier post? And already you're part of The Message that you're now afraid others won't get?

Slow down, okay? Show a little circumspection.

Kotin
12-22-2007, 07:49 PM
right..

i suppose its ok then that all the special interests and douche bag corporations gave money to huckleberry and gouls... but they are just honest campaign donations.

remember.. thinking is highly endorsed.

JosephTheLibertarian
12-22-2007, 08:13 PM
As a new Ron Paul supporter and part of the 25,000 new Donaters on December 16th i resent that. You obviously don't care about whether Ron Paul wins or not. I sir DO. He wins so much by just giving that hate money back And he can potentially loose so much in short term and long term by KEEPING the shitty five hundred dollars.

Ask Fred Thompson to his back then.

xao
12-22-2007, 09:20 PM
The marxo-fascist zionists at little green footballs are just doing there job pushing the neocon message and calling everyone who agrees with Ron Paul a nazi. Except this time they've been caught working with them. It's the same thing the MSM media does. Call everyone you don't agree with an evil "nazi", you don't want to give aid to Israel? Oh! you're a nazi!

Yep, Ron Paul only cares about the security of America. Let's stop using our tax dollars to prop up socialist governments in chaotic parts of the world while prices skyrocket and our borders remain open here at home.

How Horrible! A presidential candidate who cares about his own nation. Gosh! He must be a nazi!