Free At Last! The next money bomb is ready!!

[vijayb]

http://freeatlast2008.com/

Hi All, a fellow googler and I have setup the next money bomb for Dr Paul. We have the greatest community of activists on this list, and I wanted to ask y'all for your help in promoting this effort and creating videos and banners, and all the other creative, amazing stuff that you've done to make our previous money bombs such a huge success.

The website is below.

As Martin Luther King once said "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

freedom, peace and prosperity to all!
Vijay (organizer of Operation Live Free or Die).


http://freeatlast2008.com/
Martin Luther King was an American hero who dedicated his life to fighting for liberty and justice for all Americans. In 1963, on the steps of the Lincoln memorial in Washington, he saluted our spirits with the immortal words, "I have a dream..."

Today the dream of liberty and justice for all is slipping through our fingers. Our government no longer speaks for the people. It is waging an immoral, unconstitutional war abroad, while stripping us of our basic civil liberties at home.

Now another American hero has taken the stage to fight for our freedom. Dr Ron Paul, like Dr King, opposes the immoral wars that we have fought abroad, and he believes in the principles on which our beloved Republic was founded.

On January 21st, when we honor Dr King and his message of peace and freedom, please support Dr Paul, who carries the same message, with a pledge of $100. Do not let history record that those of us who had the most to lose, did the least to prevent its happening.

[drexhex]

Nice one. I'm in.

[mcgraw_wv]

Fantastic!

Great Message, perfect man to measure Ron Paul too...

I love it.

[LibertyEagle]

Are you trying to drive away every last Republican? Martin Luther King was a communist.

Look, I totally understand why Americans of color, supported him. But, the reality is that he was a Communist and as such, was not exactly what you call popular, with Republicans. This is a very bad idea.

[fortilite]

MLK helped eliminate one of the most disgusting overuses of government power. Imagine, the government saying that people of different skin colors couldn't eat in the same restaurants or drink from the same fountains.

I'm in.

And LibertyEagle, as a Republican I can say [Admin- removed personal attack]

[JaylieWoW]

I am a great admirer of Dr. King. The world is definitely much worse off for his murder. These money bomb themes just keep getting better and better! :D

[szczebrzeszyn]

I don't know who you are, you don't say what you will use the email database for and your only goal seems to be to get as many subscribers as possible. You should at least fix the website and state some things clearly.

[KewlRonduderules]

I am not sure how I feel about this just yet. I'll have to get back to you. PLus, I cannot donate anymore. I'm max'd out.

[LibertyEagle]

Look, fortilite, I did not insult you or use profanity to cuss you out. Were you born in a barn?

I stand by what I said. Traditional conservatives will not go for this. Not one bit.

[FreeTraveler]

No. Not Just No. Hell No.

Please No.

MLK was a philanderer and a communist. Don't associate his name with Dr. Paul.

Dr. Paul can get away with saying he admires MLK because he's a statesman. The grassroots won't be so lucky.

This will horribly damage his support from mainstream Republicans.

On Edit: Now I see... Three Posts. We have a disinformation agent amongst us.

[Sey.Naci]

Vijay, the video (at around 3:40) says to donate on January 15th, but the text above says January 21st:

"On January 21st, when we honor Dr King and his message of peace and freedom, please support Dr Paul, who carries the same message, with a pledge of $100."

[TheNewYorker]

Are you trying to drive away every last Republican? Martin Luther King was a communist.

Look, I totally understand why Americans of color, supported him. But, the reality is that he was a Communist and as such, was not exactly what you call popular, with Republicans. This is a very bad idea.

echo.

[1913_to_2008]

This guy only has 3 post. Can a newbie be trusted with a money bomb?

[fortilite]

Look, fortilite, I did not insult you or use profanity to cuss you out. Were you born in a barn?

I stand by what I said. Traditional conservatives will not go for this. Not one bit.

You said I, a Republican, would be scared away by MLK. I will say [Admin - remove personal attack] :mad:'

1) Republicans ended slavery

2) Republicans opposed segregation

3) Republicans oppose government promotion of the concept of race

4) You know nothing about Republicans

5) You don't know what a tradition conservative is.


This guy only has 3 post. Can a newbie be trusted with a money bomb?

That "newbie" has done more for the grassroots than you and I combined.

[KewlRonduderules]

This guy only has 3 post. Can a newbie be trusted with a money bomb?

I think it is that guy Vijay who gave up his job at google to campaign in new hampshire. He has credibility.

[vijayb]

Hi, thanks for the info, I'll change the date.

Re the other question, I'm Vijay, the fellow from Google who's organizing Operation Live Free or Die:
http://operationlivefreeordie.com/
(we have a lot of people who've come to NH, and we're looking for more if you're able to join us)

Thanks!

[speciallyblend]

I don't know who you are, you don't say what you will use the email database for and your only goal seems to be to get as many subscribers as possible. You should at least fix the website and state some things clearly.


dude if you dont know who vijay is then YOU HAVE BEEN UNDER A ROCK, you need to retract your whole statement and research before you post this. Relax Vijay is DA MAN;)

[KewlRonduderules]

You said I, a Republican, would be scared away by MLK. I will say ???? you again. :mad:'

1) Republicans ended slavery

2) Republicans opposed segregation

3) Republicans oppose government promotion of the concept of race

4) You know nothing about Republicans


Easy with the languange man.!

[Rebel Resource]

I am not sure how I feel about this just yet. I'll have to get back to you. PLus, I cannot donate anymore. I'm max'd out.

Thats cool bro. 25,000 fresh donations last time....300,000,000 in America....

[pates03]

Instead of a money bomb to the campaign, We should set up a money bomb for the operationnh folks to get those ads in the key states.

Something along the lines

"10,000 donors donate 10 dollars to reach 100k" That will def. fund their great ads that it seems we all like on this forums.

so instead of complaining to the officall campaign people on not doing enough, we could fund this and its a win win situation..

[trispear]

I pledged. This will be before Super Tuesday, right?

[skolwulf]

I will say again that I am against anymore money bombs in the near term; however, promote all you want and we will let the market decide.

[FreeTraveler]

I think it is that guy Vijay who gave up his job at google to campaign in new hampshire. He has credibility.

Whether it is or not, proposing MLK as the lead for a moneybomb shows that he has no clue when it comes to the Republican Mainstream.

[LibertyEagle]

Vijay is the man who quit his job at Google to start Operation Live Free or Die. He is also Trevor's roommate in New Hampshire.

Vijay, I admire you for what you have done and continue to do, but this money bomb is not a good idea. It really isn't. In addition, last time Trevor used the mailing list for his own purposes, that had absolutely nothing to do with the fundraiser, so I for one, will not send people to anymore sites where he has access to the list of people who sign up.

[davidhperry]

Hi, thanks for the info, I'll change the date.

Re the other question, I'm Vijay, the fellow from Google who's organizing Operation Live Free or Die:
http://operationlivefreeordie.com/
(we have a lot of people who've come to NH, and we're looking for more if you're able to join us)

Thanks!

Thanks Vijay - we're with you! PLease let us know how it's going up there and what you need.

[davidkachel]

Are you trying to drive away every last Republican? Martin Luther King was a communist.

Look, I totally understand why Americans of color, supported him. But, the reality is that he was a Communist and as such, was not exactly what you call popular, with Republicans. This is a very bad idea.

Where have you been the last few decades??

J. Edgar Hoover started that "MLK is a communist" rumor to attempt to marginalize him. This scam was exposed years ago and you are apparently the last living person on Earth who believes it.

[TheNewYorker]

By all means if you're going to do this money-bomb and it will give Dr Paul money that's good. But please do not promote it to white republicans, it will only turn them away.

Promote it on rap music boards on the internet. Promote it at rap concerts. Promote it to blacks and minorities. That's the type of peoples we need to target.

[aravoth]

You said I, a Republican, would be scared away by MLK. :mad:'

1) Republicans ended slavery

2) Republicans opposed segregation

3) Republicans oppose government promotion of the concept of race

4) You know nothing about Republicans

5) You don't know what a tradition conservative is.



That "newbie" has done more for the grassroots than you and I combined.

That about sums it up.

[fortilite]

Whether it is or not, proposing MLK as the lead for a moneybomb shows that he has no clue when it comes to the Republican Mainstream.

If you're for segretation you probably are supporting the wrong candidate.

[drexhex]

For the guy who said he's maxed out: doesn't the new quarter start on Jan 1?

[davidhperry]

Vijay is the man who quit his job at Google to start Operation Live Free or Die. He is also Trevor's roommate in New Hampshire.

Vijay, I admire you for what you have done and continue to do, but this money bomb is not a good idea. It really isn't. In addition, last time Trevor used the mailing list for his own purposes, that had absolutely nothing to do with the fundraiser, so I for one, will not send people to anymore sites where he has access to the list of people who sign up.

The second is more of a PM.

[TheNewYorker]

Where have you been the last few decades??

J. Edgar Hoover started that MLK is a communist rumor to attempt to marginalize him. This scam was exposed years ago and you are apparently the last living person on Earth who believes it.

You really need to read this website in-depth:
http://www.martinlutherking.org/

[aravoth]

By all means if you're going to do this money-bomb and it will give Dr Paul money that's good. But please do not promote it to white republicans, it will only turn them away.

Promote it on rap music boards on the internet. Promote it at rap concerts. Promote it to blacks and minorities. That's the type of peoples we need to target.

I'm a white republican, should I steer clear of this? Please stop your collectivist bullshit.

[constituent]

i (white republican) am absolutely all in for an MLK giving day.

so would my white republican wife....

my white republican mom.....


my white republican dad...

my white republican brother...

my white republican sisters.

money bomb???? no. inappropriate (lets not forget the
reality on the ground back then).

MLK giving day. i'll beg, borrow and steal the difference
between what i've given and 2300 bucks to donate it all.

i know many many many others who would do the same
thing to honor MLK, let alone RP.

there is no doubt that RP is carrying the torch.

[FreeTraveler]

Hi, thanks for the info, I'll change the date.

Re the other question, I'm Vijay, the fellow from Google who's organizing Operation Live Free or Die:
http://operationlivefreeordie.com/
(we have a lot of people who've come to NH, and we're looking for more if you're able to join us)

Thanks!

You've been doing great work. Amazing that you quit your job to help the good doctor.

That said, STRONGLY reconsider this effort. You're going to ALIENATE a LARGE portion of the Mainstream Republican base if you start touting MLK. Learn a lot more about him than "I Have a Dream" before you get us all in BIG trouble!

[trispear]

On Glenn Beck, Ron Paul mentioned that his beliefs were that of a non-violent nature like MLK or Gandhi -- so he mention MLK by name already.

We don't have to support everything MLK believed, but I support what he was most known for - so do many other people.

Don't know, don't care, and don't espouse the communist part.

[Todd]

What a great way to show how diverse this political movement is....:)

[adwads]

I'm in. Bump!

[KewlRonduderules]

For the guy who said he's maxed out: doesn't the new quarter start on Jan 1?

$2300 per primary cycle.
;)

[LSUiLike]

By all means if you're going to do this money-bomb and it will give Dr Paul money that's good. But please do not promote it to white republicans, it will only turn them away.

Promote it on rap music boards on the internet. Promote it at rap concerts. Promote it to blacks and minorities. That's the type of peoples we need to target.
Nice.

[drexhex]

EDIT: answered as I posted

[FreeTraveler]

Sorry, but this is a TERRIBLE idea!

[Rebel Resource]

I will say again that I am against anymore money bombs in the near term; however, promote all you want and we will let the market decide.

We have to take into account that there is sooo much untapped support, so many getting on board every day. Just look at every new money bomb like a necessary thing to pull in new donors. No obligation to donate if you already did.

[LibertyEagle]

You said I, a Republican, would be scared away by MLK. I will say fuck you again. :mad:'

1) Republicans ended slavery

2) Republicans opposed segregation

3) Republicans oppose government promotion of the concept of race

4) You know nothing about Republicans

5) You don't know what a tradition conservative is.



Fortilite,

You are in dire need of educating yourself. Republicans did not end slavery. That is not why the Civil War was fought, contrary to revisionist history. Here, go learn something.
http://www.amazon.com/Lincoln-Unmasked-Youre-Supposed-Dishonest/dp/0307338428/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198094595&sr=8-5

There's also a lot of stuff on mises.org

You are quite insulting. Yes, I most certainly DO know what a traditional conservative is, as I have been one all my life. My mother was even a delegate for Barry Goldwater. So, don't go sticking your foot in your mouth any further.

Perhaps you are confused because you are more aligned with the Rockefeller-Republican wing of the party. ;)

[szczebrzeszyn]

dude if you dont know who vijay is then YOU HAVE BEEN UNDER A ROCK, you need to retract your whole statement and research before you post this. Relax Vijay is DA MAN;)
Ach, that's him. He could just write "I'm the guy who left google and gone promoting RP" - I wouldn't have any questions.

[Rebel Resource]

No. Not Just No. Hell No.

Please No.

MLK was a philanderer and a communist. Don't associate his name with Dr. Paul.

Dr. Paul can get away with saying he admires MLK because he's a statesman. The grassroots won't be so lucky.

This will horribly damage his support from mainstream Republicans.

On Edit: Now I see... Three Posts. We have a disinformation agent amongst us.

That's like throwing away your favourite record because you found out the artist was a Rastafarian.

[Rebel Resource]

Ach, that's him. He could just write "I'm the guy who left google and gone promoting RP" - I wouldn't have any questions.

Left google?!?

[FreeTraveler]

If you're for segretation you probably are supporting the wrong candidate.

That was total slander. Retract it NOW.

Saying that mainstream republicans are for segregation? What rock did you crawl out from under?

[LSUiLike]

Black folks are Americans too. Ron Paul reveres MLK and Rosa Parks. Take your racist agenda somewhere else. It seems Ron Paul has some real turds supporting him.

[KewlRonduderules]

I think they should have asked everyone first before setting up the site. Again, this goes back to Trevor and others associated with him arranging things without input from the grassroots. This is my one complaint.

Now, we are going to have lots of arguing back and forth because of this.

I certainly don't like how this came about. Moreover, some don't like the idea, some are drained from the money bombs, and others are just now financially strapped.

There has to be another way to go about raising funds other than the money bombs.

Don't get me wrong, I think Trevor has done quite a lot for us and appreciate everything he has done.

But I am feeling a little exhausted with the moneybomb idea. However, if everyone else wants to do it, so be it.

[FreeTraveler]

That's like throwing away your favourite record because you found out the artist was a Rastafarian.

We're not listening to music here! We're TRYING to take over the REPUBLICAN BASE!

[pdavis]

I am wondering if all the people who hate Martin Luther King Jr. hate Mahatma Gandhi and George Orwell since both were hardcore socialists and make Hillary Clinton and Dennis Kucinich look like hardcore capitalists. I may not agree with his politics but he did help my people (I'm black) and other minorities by showing to the world how unfair and violent the state was to certain people.

[LibertyEagle]

Geez, people. Being against a fundraiser in the name of MLK, does not make one a racist at all. I am all for a fundraiser or an event that proclaims equality of us all.

The ONLY problem I have with doing this in the name of MLK, is because MLK was a lot more than the great uniter that you hear about. He was also a Communist. Maybe I'm older than some of you and so I remember. I know they don't talk about that now, but it is the truth.

Can anyone think of another fundraiser or something that we can do that promotes the idea of equality?

[familydog]

You really need to read this website in-depth:
http://www.martinlutherking.org/

Seems like a white supremist racist site to me.

[fortilite]

Well I'm just gonna have to support this moneybomb extra hard seeing some of the bullshit in this thread.

[son of liberty]

I'm in $100 and 100%! Let's elevate the debate. We can have the BiG Tent the "established Republican Party" doesn't.

[FreeTraveler]

Black folks are Americans too. Ron Paul reveres MLK and Rosa Parks. Take your racist agenda somewhere else. It seems Ron Paul has some real turds supporting him.

This is SO SAD... calling people racist because they don't approve of one black man who was a philanderer and communist?

[LibertyEagle]

I may not agree with his politics but he did help my people (I'm black) and other minorities by showing to the world how unfair and violent the state was to certain people.

Yeah, I agree. Is there something else that you can think of that we can do?

[LibertyEagle]

..

[aravoth]

Fortilite,

You are in dire need of educating yourself. Republicans did not end slavery. That is not why the Civil War was fought, contrary to revisionist history. Here, go learn something.
http://www.amazon.com/Lincoln-Unmasked-Youre-Supposed-Dishonest/dp/0307338428/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198094595&sr=8-5

There's also a lot of stuff on mises.org

You are quite insulting. Yes, I most certainly DO know what a traditional conservative is, as I have been one all my life. My mother was even a delegate for Barry Goldwater. So, don't go sticking your foot in your mouth any further.

Perhaps you are confused because you are more aligned with the Rockefeller-Republican wing of the party. ;)

K, first off, he didn't say that the civil war was over slavery. He said republicans got rid of slavery. Which is true, the Emancipation Proclamation was conceived by a Republican.

Republicans got the 15th Amendment pushed through.

[adwads]

This will play out great in the MSM...it might help counter some of the criticism that might come from the so-called "racist" newsletter.

[NewEnd]

regardless of his economic beliefs, the man was a fucking hero.

[Alex Libman]

Why hold it on the government holiday and not his actual birthday on January 15th?

[aravoth]

Secondly, if you don't like the Idea, don't donate.

Make your own web site, with your own counter, on your own day. Market it yourself. All this "we" shit drives me bat shit crazy sometimes. Some people here lead, some follow, if you are the latter, don't try to tell the former what to do. And if you have a problem with that, then become a leader, and stop shooting down every single idea that gets dropped in these forums.

[Spike]

If we can donate money in the name of Guy Fawkes, what's stopping us from donating in the name of MLK.

In fact, the media will cover the story of another money bomb from a different angle, only positive things can come of this.

[son of liberty]

THIS IS THE RON, GOLDWATER, MLK, JFK MIXhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDRA3XFfDr4ABSOLUTE MUST SEE

[PatriotOne]

This guy only has 3 post. Can a newbie be trusted with a money bomb?

Vijay has creds. And you know me, I am always calling out the trolls on the board suggesting chip-ins and moneybombs ;)

Though just as a gesture of trust, I would like to see Trevor weigh in that it is really Vijay who has created the new Moneybomb website.

Vijay? We have a lot of trolls who pretend o be someone they are not on this board with the intentions of sabotage. Mind if you get hold of Trevor (since he is your room mate) to post here to verify that it is you using this screen name?

btw.....I have great respect for you. I can't think of a single celebrity I would walk across the street to shake hands with. You on the other hand, I would make a trip across town to give you my props :)

[MusoSpuso]

This is SO SAD... calling people racist because they don't approve of one black man who was a philanderer and communist?

I keep seeing these accusations thrown around.

Please provide proper documented evidence of this.

And "common knowledge back in my day" doesn't cut it, sorry.

Books...articles...links. Something. Anything. Thanks.

[KewlRonduderules]

From my understanding of the Civil War, it was fought because of the high tariffs on Cotton. The south depended on slave labor to produce their crop. Lincoln wanted to tax them more- the South resisted because it was a major economic industry but had less developed industries. Whereas, the north had much more industry and could support and pay the higher tariffs.

Correct?

[aravoth]

From my understanding of the Civil War, it was fought because of the high tariffs on Cotton. The south depended on slave labor to produce their crop. Lincoln wanted to tax them more- the South resisted because it was a major economic industry. Whereas, the north had much more industry and could support and pay the higher tariffs.

Correct?

What does this have to do with MLK?

[fortilite]

I don't care if the guy ate dog turds on his time off, he ended one of the most vile laws in US history and for that he is a patriot and friend of liberty.

[davidhperry]

Secondly, if you don't like the Idea, don't donate.

Make your own web site, with your own counter, on your own day. Market it yourself. All this "we" shit drives me bat shit crazy sometimes. Some people here lead, some follow, if you are the latter, don't try to tell the former what to do. And if you have a problem with that, then become a leader, and stop shooting down every single idea that gets dropped in these forums.

That's the best post I've seen in a while.

BTW, thanks for being a leader aravoth. Your videos have converted many of my family and friends.

[familydog]

K, first off, he didn't say that the civil war was over slavery. He said republicans got rid of slavery. Which is true, the Emancipation Proclamation was conceived by a Republican.

Republicans got the 15th Amendment pushed through.

"Republicans" is the key. Abe Lincoln and republicans who thought like them were really neo-federalists in their political beliefs. The "republican" party of the mid 19th century was completey different in the first half of the 20th century with Coolidge, Taft, Goldwater etc. I don't like this "dems" are for this and "repubs" were against that or whatever. Southern democracts were against the civil rights movement, but a decade later changed to become republicans since that's who they voted with all the time anyway.

Political parties change all the time. They evolve. So to associate something with a party spanning over hundreds of years is not the best way to go about things.

Here's food for thought. The closest thing we had in a president (outside of the founding fathers) to Ron Paul was a democrat--Grover Cleveland.

[LSUiLike]

This is SO SAD... calling people racist because they don't approve of one black man who was a philanderer and communist?
MLK was human and flawed, as we all are, but there is no denying what he represents to this country. The level of your protest comes off badly, but apparently you aren't the only one that feels this way.

[Drknows]

Geez, people. Being against a fundraiser in the name of MLK, does not make one a racist at all. I am all for a fundraiser or an event that proclaims equality of us all.

The ONLY problem I have with doing this in the name of MLK, is because MLK was a lot more than the great uniter that you hear about. He was also a Communist. Maybe I'm older than some of you and so I remember. I know they don't talk about that now, but it is the truth.

Can anyone think of another fundraiser or something that we can do that promotes the idea of equality?

Are you saying congress awarded a communist a Congressional Gold Medal? Are you saying our nation celebrates a communist national holiday (Martin Luther King Day)?

Earth to liberty. This isn't 1960 propaganda anymore.


But i think we should include all the peace makers not just one. Ghandi, MLK, Tank Man, ect ect

But whatever works.

[LibertyEagle]

I don't care if the guy ate dog turds on his time off, he ended one of the most vile laws in US history and for that he is a patriot and friend of liberty.

He was a friend of Communism. Which last time I checked, was not exactly aligned with liberty.

[son of liberty]

I SAY AGAIN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDRA3XFfDr4


THE MLK, Reagan, Goldwater mashup.

[LibertyEagle]

Are you saying congress awarded a communist a Congressional Gold Medal? Are you saying our nation celebrates a communist national holiday (Martin Luther King Day)?



Yes, basically that's it. Yup.

Are you all of a sudden thinking that everything is just dandy in our country? That we don't have people in Washington, D.C. who pass laws like the Patriot Act, throw out habeas corpus, and think it's find to steal someone's private property under the guise of Kelo? Because you seem to be saying that just because the almighty Congress voted to give someone a Congressional medal, that the person must be just great.

[KewlRonduderules]

What does this have to do with MLK?


I am not exactly sure. Just thought i share what I know about the American Civil War.

:D

The one thing that I think I can say is that Black people throughout the centuries in this country have had it rough especially when it comes to economics.

[fortilite]

Nobody is perfect. In the end what he is known for, and the only reason anyone knows who he is, is because he ended one of the most vile laws in our nations history.

[celticsman7]

If the MLK idea does not pass, how about a money bomb on January 17, two days before Nevada and South Carolina, in celebration of the birth of Benjamin Franklin. That day in history, 301 years ago, represents the birth of American prosperity. Just a thought.

[Akus]

I think the next money bomb should be in February. Just to give people some breathing room to come up with more $$ and beat our own record yet again. I proposed we move the day.

[Drknows]

Powerful
http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/TankMan.jpg

[adwads]

Vote about the MLK moneybomb:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=60404

[Seth M.]

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Matthew 5:9)

Im in. :D

[LibertyEagle]

Hey, maybe our next one could be for Joseph Stalin. :rolleyes:

[jasonoliver]

Look, fortilite, I did not insult you or use profanity to cuss you out. Were you born in a barn?

I stand by what I said. Traditional conservatives will not go for this. Not one bit.

We don't care about traditional conservatives. MOST of the revolution is young people. Have you ever seen a john mccain or mitt romney rally? They look like geriatric conventions.......

[davidhperry]

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Matthew 5:9)

Im in. :D

I'm in as well. I knew this post would bring out the kooks/racists/supremacists.

[Noble]

Okay, I can't read all 9 pages before I post.

I think, from a marketing standpoint, this is a bad idea.

It feels like a cheap attempt to gain my sympathy.

Ron Paul has done some great things and some great ideals, but to compare him with MLK?
Lots of people KNOW and LOVE the deeds and the man who was MLK, and when they see us trying to compare Ron Paul to him, they WILL be offended.

This is a bad move, like when John Lennon said the beatles were "bigger than Jesus".

Technically true at the time, still an offensive comparison.

EDIT: LOOK HOW DIVIDED WE, THE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS, ARE OVER THIS!

[GeorgiaRPFan]

Wow, a moneybomb day all set up without any input from the forums. . . something's not right. . .

[davidkachel]

You really need to read this website in-depth:
http://www.martinlutherking.org/

OK, in the interest of open-mindedness I took a hard look at the web site you suggested.
All it lacks is a "paid for by the KKK and White Supremacists of America" credit at the bottom of the page.

Let me guess... you probably think we didn't land on the moon either?

[Drknows]

Okay, I can't read all 9 pages before I post.

I think, from a marketing standpoint, this is a bad idea.

It feels like a cheap attempt to gain my sympathy.

Ron Paul has done some great things and some great ideals, but to compare him with MLK?
Lots of people KNOW and LOVE the deeds and the man who was MLK, and when they see us trying to compare Ron Paul to him, they WILL be offended.

This is a bad move, like when John Lennon said the beatles were "bigger than Jesus".

Technically true at the time, still an offensive comparison.

EDIT: LOOK HOW DIVIDED WE, THE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS, ARE OVER THIS!

I agree BUT thats why i said we should involve all the peace makers not just one.

Ron Paul stands alone in congress.
http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/TankMan.jpg

maybe John Lennon too :)

[Noble]

Too Divisive! Do Not Use This Theme For A Moneybomb!
Too Divisive! Do Not Use This Theme For A Moneybomb!
Too Divisive! Do Not Use This Theme For A Moneybomb!

[chandlerLBT]

You really need to read this website in-depth:
http://www.martinlutherking.org/

Did you seriously just post a STORMFRONT hosted bullshit site that LIES about an American hero, Martin Luther King Jr.? Jesus Christ.

MLK is the American LEADER and SYMBOL of nonviolent protest. Nonviolent protest is the Ron Paul Revolution. We are protesting the corruption of our government, and donating our money along with our vote to someone who will change all that; Ron Paul. A money bomb on MLK Day is an amazing idea, and I completely support it.

[KewlRonduderules]

Actually thinking about this more, I think this would debunk and lay to rest once and for all, the White Supremacy nonsense out there. And if there is a significant amount of money raised, this can be viewed as quite beneficial for him. It'd be a hard case to sell that he gets support from White Supremacists. In this respect, it might be a VERY good idea.

But on the other hand, I am pooped out with the moneybomb stuff.

Is there another way that this money can be raised other than a moneybomb?

[literatim]

I just don't trust some new person.

[fortilite]

I just don't trust some new person.

Me neither, but I do trust the guy who is managing 1000 canvassers in New Hampshire. That would be Vijay, the original poster.

[V4Vendetta]

Vijay, the video (at around 3:40) says to donate on January 15th, but the text above says January 21st:

"On January 21st, when we honor Dr King and his message of peace and freedom, please support Dr Paul, who carries the same message, with a pledge of $100."

make that 3:20

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Instead of a money bomb to the campaign, We should set up a money bomb for the operationnh folks to get those ads in the key states.

Something along the lines

"10,000 donors donate 10 dollars to reach 100k" That will def. fund their great ads that it seems we all like on this forums.

so instead of complaining to the officall campaign people on not doing enough, we could fund this and its a win win situation..

Yeah I'm all for that!!! The campaign is flush, let's help out the people with GOOD ads!

.

[davidhperry]

Me neither, but I do trust the guy who is managing 1000 canvassers in New Hampshire. That would be Vijay, the original poster.

Heck yeah, if anyone is loyal and trustworthy it's this guy. This dude quite his job, moved across the country and is leading a huge effort. He is an example of why we're going to shock everyone in the primaries.

[BIG_J]

LOL...man; what's with all the clown posting lately; I feel like I'm in a circus...

I like the idea Vijay; I will sign up; I think LibertyEagle has been against EVERY money bomb so far. So; let it slide off your back.

Great job so far in NH! If I had a giant pair like you I just might move out there; but alas; I will have to stay in Minnesota.

[PatriotOne]

Did you seriously just post a STORMFRONT hosted bullshit site that LIES about an American hero, Martin Luther King Jr.? Jesus Christ.




LOL. I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one :eek:.

[davidkachel]

I think another money bomb is too soon and too redundant.

But just because I know it will piss of the closet racists posting here, I'm in!

Now, let's find a nice Jewish holiday for a money bomb too, just to let these assholes know their racist crap is not welcome in the RP campaign.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I just don't trust some new person.

If we're looking at experience and how much one has done for the campaign, YOU are the new person. In fact if you don't know who he is, it makes one wonder just what the hell you've been doing. Sitting on a forum racking up a high post count would usually mean you're doing LESS than everyone else. Beat it! Get out and canvass.

It amazes me how a few people with real high post counts think they are so special and such a big help to the campaign. No, it's the people who simply don't have time to sit on these forums all day that are the real leaders and heros of this movement.

.

[adpierce]

I think it's a great idea. It's at a great time for one too... before super tuesday... but not too long before super tuesday. It also gets us away from the violent revolution stuff, we've been getting a bad rap for that kind of stuff. This is something positive... which will bode very well for the campaign.

[LibertyEagle]

Hate to tell ya, BIG_J, I was a very big supporter of The Tea Party.

I'm still trying to figure out what that has to do with the fact that MLK was a Communist-sympathizer though.

[celticsman7]

If there is to be another moneybomb, it has to be in January. By February 6th, we will know Ron Paul's chances on getting nominated. I think we just need another moneybomb to get another 4 or 5 million to him to fund his Super Tuesday campaign.

[FreeTraveler]

MLK was human and flawed, as we all are, but there is no denying what he represents to this country. The level of your protest comes off badly, but apparently you aren't the only one that feels this way.

That's exactly the point, thanks for recognizing it.

This will be my last post on this thread. I don't want to come across like MP did about the blimp. But before I go, let me make a point here:

A large portion of the base we want to convert to Dr. Paul is the old-line conservative Republican. While they recognize the contribution that MLK made to the concept of non-violent protest, they also remember the massive riots, property damage, and deaths that occurred after his death. MLK was a hugely polarizing figure in American politics, whether you know that or not.

They also remember that MLK was a philanderer, and that he had no bones about wishing to use cohersive government power to realize his objectives, noble though those objectives may have been.

If you're not of "a certain age" you don't understand how MLK is seen by a large portion of the population. If there's a future money bomb, I'd hope that most of the money will come from new converts. There's no way old-line conservative Republicans would donate to anything in his name, and just the fact he was used as an icon to promote the good doctor may well cost more votes than you could imagine among that demographic.

I'm not sure the money-bomb concept isn't played out. If not, it needs to be based on a concept that every American can support, particularly those who come to see the good doctor as "Hope for America" between now and then. PLEASE pick a non-controversial date and "feel-good" issue to build on, or you'll do more damage than good in the long run.

This is not only a "rEVOLution" now; it's also a serious campaign for conversion of the non-thinking masses to support our candidate. Keep that in mind as you make your plans going forward.

Valentines Day (stressing the LOVE part of rEVOLution), Fourth of July (although WAY too late); maybe even President's Day would work. Just don't pick a polarizing event if you want ALL the people to support it.

[Noble]

This is such a bad idea. Its like... don't you love jesus? Than vote for meee!

Don't you love MLK? Its a cheap emotional ploy.

I resent that this moneybomb idea has just grabbed something thats supposed to mean something to me and is USING it to support something else.

Seriously.

PLEASE don't use this idea, its a disaster.

[chandlerLBT]

I think another money bomb is too soon and too redundant.

But just because I know it will piss of the closet racists posting here, I'm in!

Now, let's find a nice Jewish holiday for a money bomb too, just to let these assholes know their racist crap is not welcome in the RP campaign.

I agree, I'm sick of the racist thing. I'm sick of being called a racist because I support Ron Paul. These piece of shit racists are damaging the campaign tremendously. If you ask anyone that knows me, they'd say I'm a pretty tolerable person. But the only thing I cannot tolerate is a racist. And I'm sick of it. Ron Paul is not a racist, none of his stances are racist. MLK is a hero and the symbol for nonviolence. I can't see any reason why this money bomb should be stopped for the people who want to participate, as it seems many people want to do.

[mortepa]

I'm in too!

You need to highlight the date. I looked at least 10 seconds trying to locate it, and that will cause a lot of folks to just move on...

Good job!

[skolwulf]

I believe a moneybomb on Jan 21st will be to close to super tuesday to have an effect and will instead starve the campaign of much needed money between now and then.

Expect several bomb busting e-mails from HQ as donations slow as people save up for the bomb.

[Noble]

I suggest we use the blimp company to organize a grassroots adbomb.

We coordinate a major purchase of advertising space in newspapers, tv, radio, hire people to chalk up the cities, hang banners from overpasses...

We may be able to do more canvassing with our money than we can with our bodies.

[tsetsefly]

This is such a bad idea. Its like... don't you love jesus? Than vote for meee!

Don't you love MLK? Its a cheap emotional ploy.

I resent that this moneybomb idea has just grabbed something thats supposed to mean something to me and is USING it to support something else.

Seriously.

PLEASE don't use this idea, its a disaster.

sort of agree with you, seems like pandering... a bit..

[jaumen]

Eh, what the hell... I'm in.

[davidkachel]

Did you seriously just post a STORMFRONT hosted bullshit site that LIES about an American hero, Martin Luther King Jr.? Jesus Christ.

You're right. I missed that. Just took another look.

What on Earth makes these brain-dead proponents of racist, totalitarian government think the RP campaign has anything to do with their interests? Are they really that stupid? Or are they moles hoping to perpetuate the silly idea that RP supports these morons?

It's really kind of pathetic. I guess someone with only a two-digit IQ simply isn't able to grasp the idea that someone more intelligent might easily see through such a laughable attempt.

[FrankRep]

Think we just lost the support of the White Supremacists. Oh darn.

;)

[PatriotOne]

I'm in Vejay.

Pay no attention to the peeps who believe the same smear machine that was used on MLK that is being used on RP today. Communist sympathzer was the white supremist, Nazi sympathizer, Zionist supporter, Holocaust denier, etc., etc., etc., of it's day. You'd think people who follow this campaign closely would of figured that tactic out by now :rolleyes:

[peznex]

The YouTube link says Jan 15th but the website says Jan 21???:confused:

[fortilite]

Think we just lost the support of the White Supremacists. Oh darn.

;)

LOL, considering they are now callig Dr. Paul a member of a Zionist conspiracy in Wisconsin I don't think that's a big loss. :D

[Dieseler]

This is a bad idea period, don't risk losing Dr. Paul votes over what you want period, lets win this thing for Gods sake. No need playing risky games like this

[nathanmn]

I believe a moneybomb on Jan 21st will be to close to super tuesday to have an effect and will instead starve the campaign of much needed money between now and then.

Expect several bomb busting e-mails from HQ as donations slow as people save up for the bomb.

That is my main concern. If anything, we should be doing moneybombs to the Operation NH ads PAC. We should be trying to get resources into play as soon as possible, and the PACs are the way to do it. We don't want people holding onto money for another month when the primaries and cacuses are going to happen.

If we do this effort, which I believe is a decent idea(despite MLK perhaps being a socialist, he is definitely known for his nonviolent civil disobedience and demonstrations for civil rights. He is a hero to most in this country.), then we should promote it in mid January, and not now. Shelve it and bring it back in a few weeks, how about that?

[fortilite]

This is a bad idea period, don't risk losing Dr. Paul votes over what you want period, lets win this thing for Gods sake. No need playing risky games like this

Sorry we are rocking the boat by suggesting segregationism is bad in the 21st century. LOL

But yeah, Jan 15th sounds better than Jan 22nd or what ever.

[davidkachel]

I would rather lose without racists than win with them.
They look down their noses at blacks or Jews or whoever, while the reality is, THEY are the bottom of the human barrel. I guess those who actually ARE inferior have a desperate need to feel superior.

[hard@work]

I'm sure some segments of our community do not support Dr. King, however I know Dr. Paul sees him as a personal hero. And I do as well even if I do not agree with all of King's views I agree with his methodology.

I'm in.

:)

[z7trance]

Do not do this. It has nothing to do with whether you like MLK or not, it has to do with the community being divided on whether or not it should happen. A large number of us DO NOT want any more money bombs and would rather bomb the donations consistently from now until election day.

Money bombs were to get media attention, they served their purpose and now its time for the home stretch to the primaries.. If the we're divided then money raised will be low, and press will be nil. Donate what you can spare from now until then each pay cheque, don't save it for another money bomb.

I urge you to take down that website.

[chandlerLBT]

Republican or Democrat, Martin Luther King Jr. is a hero. I don't get why people think we'll lose votes if we celebrate freedom, equality, and a nonviolent revolution on MLK Day. This makes no sense! The only votes lost will be the racist ones. And there's only one racist stupid enough to think that Ron Paul's policies are racist. William Scumbag. I forgot his last name, so I substituted it with another.

[Taco John]

I stand by what I said. Traditional conservatives will not go for this. Not one bit.



We're not going for traditional conservatives. We're going for Ron Paul supporters.

[brandon]

I am strongly against this.

1. It is a "cheap emotional ploy" as someone else said.
2. Dr. king was a socialist constitution hater. The civil rights act of 1964, which Dr. King cleared the way for, was unconstitutional. Barry Goldwater voted against it citing "You cannot legislate morality"
3. The money bomb idea has run its course.

[davidkachel]

One caveat: This time around, everyone PLEASE have the good sense NOT to make any predictions.

[Dieseler]

Ok I see your point now, this will begin to look more like a crusade than a campaign to a lot of people. Is that what you really want?
I want Ron Paul in the Whitehouse first.

[Spike]

The naysayers always think their right, but they're always proven wrong in the end.

This is a great idea, but MLK's birthday is Jan 15, not 21st.

[fortilite]

Plus the 15th is earlier and thus better.

[Original_Intent]

I pretty much agree with LibertyEagle and others - this is a bad idea. It is cheap pandering for the vote of people of color.

Don't get me wrong, I think MLK did a lot of good, and I am 100% with RP that rights are given equally to ALL people, not to certain groups. I just think this will get covered as a cheap ploy to attract the votes of Americans of African descent.

[margomaps]

I haven't read through the posts on this topic yet -- so I'm sorry if I'm rehashing a well-worn theme.

More money bombs are fine with me. They've been huge successes so far, and I think that we may be good for a couple more before it's all said and done. However, I don't like the MLK money bomb. Let MLK have his own day. Don't co-opt it and use it for our purposes -- there are too many people who would react very negatively to this. The tea-party was OK, because nobody is emotionally invested in the tea party. Plenty of people are emotionally invested in MLK, and would see this political fundraiser as a big slap in the face.

[LibertyEagle]

We're not going for traditional conservatives. We're going for Ron Paul supporters.

Ron Paul is a traditional conservative; a libertarian-conservative. A lot of these people left the Republican party in disgust, but some are coming back to vote for Dr. Paul. There are still some in the party too. We have a good chance of getting a whole lot more, if the grassroots doesn't go off and do something stupid, like celebrate the birthday of a Communist-sympathizer.

Isn't there something else we can do to promote the idea of equality?

[brandon]

I have supported both other money bombs, and never dissented.

But this is just a bad idea.

[Original_Intent]

I am strongly against this.

1. It is a "cheap emotional ploy" as someone else said.
2. Dr. king was a socialist constitution hater. The civil rights act of 1964, which Dr. King cleared the way for, was unconstitutional. Barry Goldwater voted against it citing "You cannot legislate morality"
3. The money bomb idea has run its course.

+1

I am not going to speak any more against this idea, let the market decide.

[Taco John]

Ron Paul is a traditional conservative; a libertarian-conservative. A lot of these people left the Republican party in disgust, but some are coming back to vote for Dr. Paul. There are still some in the party too. We have a good chance of getting a whole lot more, if the grassroots doesn't go off and do something stupid, like celebrate the birthday of a Communist-sympathizer.

They're not. They're celebrating the message of individual freedom. Dr. Paul has stated several times that he is a great admirer of Dr. Martin Luther King because of his message of equality and non-violent means of affecting change.

If people want to focus on only the negative, then they're welcome to. But you know what they're not going to stop me from doing: donating and supporting this cause.

Go ahead and try. All you're going to do is create controversey and spread the image that Ron Paul supporters are racists. You can't stop me from donating. You can't stop me from passing on the link.


The November 5th squakers got nowehere either.

[LibertyEagle]

Sorry we are rocking the boat by suggesting segregationism is bad in the 21st century. LOL

But yeah, Jan 15th sounds better than Jan 22nd or what ever.

Apples and oranges.

I don't see anyone here suggesting that segregation is a good thing.

What I do see, are some who are against this because MLK was a communist and others who are just sick of money bombs, in general.

I am all for an event or mostly anything that promotes equality. But not celebrating a communist's birthday!!!

[RevolutionSD]

Are you trying to drive away every last Republican? Martin Luther King was a communist.

Look, I totally understand why Americans of color, supported him. But, the reality is that he was a Communist and as such, was not exactly what you call popular, with Republicans. This is a very bad idea.

Don't be ridiculous.
We're not honoring King's politics we're honoring what he did for America and HOW he did it (peaceful revolution).
Chill out and realize that no matter what we do the media will spin it.
This idea is as good or better than any.

[LibertyEagle]

They're not. They're celebrating the message of individual freedom. Dr. Paul has stated several times that he is a great admirer of Dr. Martin Luther King because of his message of equality and non-violent means of affecting change.

If people want to focus on only the negative, then they're welcome to. But you know what they're not going to stop me from doing: donating and supporting this cause.

Go ahead and try. All you're going to do is create controversey and spread the image that Ron Paul supporters are racists. You can't stop me from donating. You can't stop me from passing on the link.


Of course I can't. But, I can call this what it is. Celebrating a Communist's birthday. I'm sorry if you see that as controversial. Sometimes that is just the way the truth is.

[constituent]

Geez, people. Being against a fundraiser in the name of MLK, does not make one a racist at all. I am all for a fundraiser or an event that proclaims equality of us all.

The ONLY problem I have with doing this in the name of MLK, is because MLK was a lot more than the great uniter that you hear about. He was also a Communist. Maybe I'm older than some of you and so I remember. I know they don't talk about that now, but it is the truth.

Can anyone think of another fundraiser or something that we can do that promotes the idea of equality?

step up.... let us know.

i've already decided to give every penny i can between 11 and midnight eastern time on new year's eve (feel free to join me, or don't)....

then, when feb rolls around, i believe we are able to donate again then, no?

i will be donating every single penny i can scrounge to honor MLK and the spirit of non-violent resistance.

communist?

it's a free country for communists too, right?

or are we so american that communism and
any of the many variants of Marxism are illegal?

are ideas dangerous?

[Dieseler]

Please don't polarize our campaign like this. It will cause division. Be honest to yourselves. You know this man.
The Tea Party was great idea, because it brought everyone together. It meant something to all people.
Don't play this game.
If you want a crusade, do it for yourself, but don't risk our campaign.

[KewlRonduderules]

I pretty much agree with LibertyEagle and others - this is a bad idea. It is cheap pandering for the vote of people of color.

Don't get me wrong, I think MLK did a lot of good, and I am 100% with RP that rights are given equally to ALL people, not to certain groups. I just think this will get covered as a cheap ploy to attract the votes of Americans of African descent.

Valid point. This is certainly a possibility.

Moreover, I am concerned about any backlash from the Black community because of this- It can be viewed as exploiting a significant figure in Black history for political gain.


I really need to think this through tonight to see if I want to back this or not. I still do not know.

[stefans]

planning a money bomb this early at this stage of the campaign is a bad idea anyway.
especially for such a late date(21st), which might be too late for super tuesday

[constituent]

The civil rights act of 1964, which Dr. King cleared the way for, was unconstitutional.

i think that says more than i could.... lol!

don't have a giving day honoring one of this nation's great heroes...

one of the great figureheads of non-violent resistance, b/c of the
civil rights act?

MLK caused the civil rights act? he drafted the legislation? he voted for it?

fuggin' stupid (yea, i ad hominem'd ya).

[skolwulf]

The naysayers always think their right, but they're always proven wrong in the end.

This is a great idea, but MLK's birthday is Jan 15, not 21st.

I could argue that you are naysaying against the ideas of steady, consistant cash flowing into the campaign between now and the primaries.

I'll make the following prediction that can be proven wrong in the end:

HQ will send out bomb busting e-mails urging supporters to donate sooner.
HQ will claim that money gathered on the 21st will be to late to spend to influence super tuesday
The average donation for the money bomb will be less than $100
The overall money raised will be less than Dec 16th.
The old media will pick up the story in a big way asking the question: Is the Ron Paul Revolution lossing steam?

However, if the community does reach a consensus on this plan, I will donate.

[chandlerLBT]

Of course I can't. But, I can call this what it is. Celebrating a Communist's birthday. I'm sorry if you see that as controversial. Sometimes that is just the way the truth is.

Ron Paul supports Martin Luther King's message. Just because he had some other political views does not mean that the message we want to celebrate is wrong if it comes from a "Communist" (which by the way, he's not).

[adwads]

Moneybomb Compromise? Check it out:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=60459

[constituent]

planning a money bomb

it's not a money bomb, it's a giving day.

[Taco John]

Of course I can't. But, I can call this what it is. Celebrating a Communist's birthday. I'm sorry if you see that as controversial. Sometimes that is just the way the truth is.


Call it what you want. The November 5th naysayers called it celebrating a terrorist.

I donated anyway, and will again.

[Original_Intent]

Valid point. This is certainly a possibility.

Moreover, I am concerned about any backlash from the Black community because of this- It can be viewed as exploiting a significant figure in Black history for political gain.


I really need to think this through tonight to see if I want to back this or not. I still do not know.

This is exactly my point. I don't care about offending some white supremacist, but if the black community feels that MLK is being exploited we are talking Blowback on a scale that has never been seen before.

[Revolution9]

Hate to tell ya, BIG_J, I was a very big supporter of The Tea Party.

I'm still trying to figure out what that has to do with the fact that MLK was a Communist-sympathizer though.

I offer this historical backdrop and perspective. Those denying communist party connections are wrong and taking this issues defence in the wrong direction. Harry Belafonte said that MLK was killed AFTER he realized he was a dupe.. So the deal may not be that he was a communist but was being used by communists who claimed they were wishing one thing and had a secondary agenda in back of the man plan.. Furthermore the strategy of non-violence seemed to always be accompanied by violence and I recall that he stated that this was the gameplan..to get racists riled and lift their fist in violence which would bring in federal government regulation. Don't even try to pull a racist card on me because i posted some facts. I would post more but the knee jerk symposium this has turned into is scary.

I am not going to give to this money bomb. The reason I choose not to is because my child every year was taught for two weeks about MLK, had to do a project EVERY year..and only learned about The Constitution in Grade 7. Something is wrong here that is really hard to place a finger on but it seems they were attempting to make my son feel guilt for actions that were not his.
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Red" Rosa Parks: Fabricating an American Icon
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
November 05, 2005

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

Rosa Parks was not a simple seamstress whose lonely act of defiance in 1955 sparked the beginning of the Civil Rights Movement. In fact, she was a trained Communist Party (CPUSA) activist.

Her refusal to move to the back of the bus wasn't a spontaneous gesture, but a provocation organized by her longtime employer, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP).

Last week Rosa Parks' body lay in state under the Capitol Rotunda; an honor accorded only 29 times in US history, to people like Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy, and most recently Ronald Reagan.

This treatment illustrates how the American public is routinely lied to and betrayed by its political leaders and mass media. The New York Times obituary said her arrest "turned a very private woman into a reluctant symbol and torch bearer." President Clinton said her action "ignited the most significant social movement in American history."

While I support the ostensible aims of the Civil Rights movement, I have to ask, given its Communist sponsorship, "What is the hidden agenda?" I'll elaborate later.

To understand why the US elite would honor a Communist, we need to make a paradigm shift.

A clique of London-based private bankers that controls most of the world's credit and wealth wants to consolidate this power in permanent world institutions of political, social and spiritual control.

It created and funded Communism as an instrument to advance this goal, which involves dissolving all "collective forces" that might oppose it, including nation-state, race, religion and family.

Thus "Communism" far from being a relic of the Cold war era is, in different forms, still part of our lives, eroding the above institutions.

The "Cold War" continues as the "War on Terror" -- essentially another fraud calculated to control the masses and further concentrate wealth and power in the hands of the super rich.

THE PATTERN OF ELITE DECEPTION

The portrayal of Rosa Parks as an ordinary citizen triggered my alarm bell. Betty Friedan, the "founder" of feminism and longtime Communist activist was also depicted as an average mother and housewife. Thanks to a well informed Internet forum, Daily Kos.com, I quickly discovered Rosa Parks began serving as secretary for the NAACP in 1943 and still held that position when she was arrested.

In July 1955, five months before the famous incident in December, she attended "Highlander Folk School" in Monteagle Tennessee. Myles Horton and James Dombroski, both Communist Party members, started this school in 1932 to train Communist activists. Betty Friedan was another alumnus.

Rosa Parks and many others had defied the bus segregation laws on numerous occasions since the 1940's. The Montgomery bus boycott was planned in advance. Martin Luther King was brought in to lead it. Rosa Parks was chosen to kick it off. (See Aldon Morris, "The Origins of the Civil Rights Movement")

A member of Daily Kos.com who works for the CPUSA newspaper said a CPUSA executive member told him that Rosa Parks was a member of the party. (This is something Communists don't advertise.)

The testimony of numerous defectors leaves no doubt the US Communist Party was directed from Moscow. Despite what idealistic dupes ("useful idiots") like Parks and Friedan thought, its goal is to subjugate the American people.

The Women's Liberation Movement was patterned on the Civil Rights Movement. They are off-the-shelf Communist psycho-social operations. To be effective, they must appear to reflect a popular groundswell rather than an elite agenda imposed from above.

While these movements rectified many genuine injustices, their hidden purpose is to destabilize American society by exacerbating internal divisions.

NAACP & MARTIN LUTHER KING: THE DARK SIDE

Although founded in 1909, it didn't have a Black President until the 1970's. Until then, its President and Board were mainly drawn from the ranks of Communist Jews.

Martin Luther King may have been a typical front man. Privately he declared himself a Marxist. He attended the Highlander School and his personal secretaries Bayard Rustin and Jack O'Dell were Communists. Stanley Levinson, his handler, who wrote his speeches and managed his fund raising, was also a Communist.

Apparently King's integrity has also been called into question. King plagiarized large sections of his Doctoral Thesis. He also had liaisons with white prostitutes, which were taped by the FBI and confirmed by his successor Ralph Abernathy. (And the Walls Came Tumbling Down, 1989)

RACIAL STRIFE AS ELITE WEAPON

I find racial prejudice, discrimination and segregation repugnant. Mankind is a family of races, each gifted and bringing something unique to the potluck.

At the same time, a balance must be found. Racial and national groups have a right to protect their racial character. I find it odd that countries like Israel, China and Japan can do this without criticism but countries in Europe and North America cannot. Blacks, Jews and Hispanics can do this but Whites cannot. I also believe discrimination in favor of a "minority" is as bad as discrimination against.

I am a Canadian and am not an expert on the Civil Rights movement. However, if the CPUSA was involved, there was a hidden agenda.

The central bankers are involved in a massive fraud: printing our money for the price of the paper, loaning it to us and then demanding repayment with interest. The only way they can perpetuate this fraud is to keep us distracted. That involves creating enemies for us.

Look at France with its minority of five million Muslims. Currently Muslim youth are rioting. French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said Thursday that the riots were "not spontaneous" but rather "well organized."

Do I need to elaborate? The central bankers can use racial minorities as a weapon.

A final suggestion is that, given the heavily Jewish character of the Communist Party, the Civil Rights Movement may have been designed to tear down White racial defences so that Jews might advance.

CONCLUSION

The sanctification of the Communist Rosa Parks proves again that the American political and cultural elite is irredeemably corrupt.

Social change doesn't take place in the USA unless the central bankers and their media assets sponsor it. Their long-term plan for world dictatorship is disguised as spontaneous grassroots revolt.

Increasingly the mass media, government and education reveal their true colors, and discredit themselves in the eyes of the public.

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[Spike]

How is MLK being exploited? We are commemorating his death, life, and message and people will get it because people are smarter than you think.

[KewlRonduderules]

Adwads had a very good compromise. Take a look here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=60459

[Wayne Hammond]

I will do everything in my power to fight against any grassroots effort attempting to associate Martin Luther King, Jr. with the Ron Paul movement. Yes, he advocated peaceful resistance, but that is the ONLY thing he had in common with Dr. Paul. I don't think that Dr. Paul's mention of MLK's or Gandhi's peaceful resistance was in any way an endorsement of their political philosophies.

MLK, Jr. was a communist/socialist in philosophy and an enemy of Constitutional government and true capitalism. The creation of the MLK federal holiday was an attempt by one-worlders to appease the "African American" leftist groups.

It disgusts me that modern-day compromising politicians deify MLK Jr.

If you guys insist on linking a money bomb with this man, you're going to lose just about every true conservative Republican who lived during the MLK era (those who are aware of what he actually stood for and believed).

I suspect that much of the support for this idea is coming from younger supports (younger than 30 years old) who have swallowed the lie that is now taught in our public schools that "MLK was a hero and a patriot" - he was not - he was a traitor to all things truly American.


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[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Are you trying to drive away every last Republican? Martin Luther King was a communist.

Look, I totally understand why Americans of color, supported him. But, the reality is that he was a Communist and as such, was not exactly what you call popular, with Republicans. This is a very bad idea.

I'm pretty sure MLK Jr. was a registered Republican, dude, but to be honest, I'm not digging this moneybomb. I'm not sure we should worry about any more moneybombs, but if we did, I would have preferred something linked more to the Constitution or the American Revolution.

[RonPaulwillWin]

By all means if you're going to do this money-bomb and it will give Dr Paul money that's good. But please do not promote it to white republicans, it will only turn them away.

Promote it on rap music boards on the internet. Promote it at rap concerts. Promote it to blacks and minorities. That's the type of peoples we need to target.

Don't want to start a 'you're an idiot flame war' but you sound very ignorant right there. How old are you?

[adwads]

Moneybomb compromise: 3 birthdays in January:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=60459

[KewlRonduderules]

How is MLK being exploited? We are commemorating his death, life, and message and people will get it because people are smarter than you think.


It can be argued by giving money to a political campaign in the name of a significant peace activist in the Black community, it is exploitation. It can be argued that Dr. King was not on his crusade for political gain but for personal reasons. Moreover, The Black community is sensitive to matters as such. I fear this could hurt us. The majority can view this ONLY as political gain (which we know is false). If at all, I would recommend in addition if we do this, we donate as well to Black organizations to cover ourselves.

Say like, half the proceeds go to Black community organizations or any other minority group.

[Taco John]

Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican. (http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Why%20MLK%20was%20a%20Republican&tp_preview=true)

[Joey Wahoo]

This is just bizarre.

MLK's faith and personal commitment to civil rights is admirable, but his politics were totally opposed to everything Dr. Paul stands for.

From LewRockwell.com

The Trouble With Forced Integration

by Rep. Ron Paul, MD


Last week, Congress hailed the 40th anniversary of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The heroic Ron Paul was the only member of Congress to vote No. Here is his statement. ~ Ed.

Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society.

This expansion of federal power was based on an erroneous interpretation of the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce. The framers of the Constitution intended the interstate commerce clause to create a free trade zone among the states, not to give the federal government regulatory power over every business that has any connection with interstate commerce.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.

Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, while I join the sponsors of H.Res. 676 in promoting racial harmony and individual liberty, the fact is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not accomplish these goals. Instead, this law unconstitutionally expanded federal power, thus reducing liberty. Furthermore, by prompting raced-based quotas, this law undermined efforts to achieve a color-blind society and increased racial strife. Therefore, I must oppose H.Res. 676.

July 3, 2004

[Delain]

How many money bombs are being planned now?

I've seen about five of six on the forums here, and at least that much others being promoted on youtube...

I know when the Tea Party was planned there was pretty much overall consensus. Now there are allot who think the money bombs have served there purpose and have come to an end, others dont know, others just want to wait a while for deciding, and it seems the rest are all planning their own bomb.

Anyhow, my opinion on this one is that anyone can see that it splits the supporters. If you want an money bomb at least choose something everyone can get behind. That shouldn’t be so difficult. We need the unity. Let the wedge driving attempts to our opponents.

[Sey.Naci]

...I don't like the MLK money bomb. Let MLK have his own day. Don't co-opt it and use it for our purposes.... The tea-party was OK, because nobody is emotionally invested in the tea party. Plenty of people are emotionally invested in MLK, and would see this political fundraiser as a big slap in the face.This is the soundest advice I've seen on this thread. It isn't about whether you honor the achievements of MLK, it's about USING his name inappropriately for political purposes.

I strongly suspect that Ron Paul would not approve and he'd be appalled at being blatantly compared to such an iconic figure.

[Wayne Hammond]

Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican. (http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Why%20MLK%20was%20a%20Republican&tp_preview=true)

Taco John - you're a cool guy, but I have to ask "so what?"...

GW Bush is a Republican, but he has crossed over to the "dark side" and is now actively promoting a one-world government and world socialism.

Why do you support using a person for a money bomb who's philosophies lined up with American Socialists and the American Communist Party?

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[Noble]

Let MLK have his own day. Don't co-opt it and use it for our purposes....

thirded.

[LibertyEagle]

Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican. (http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Why%20MLK%20was%20a%20Republican&tp_preview=true)

So what? He was a Communist.

[Ron Paul Fan]

"It is dissent from government policies that defines the true patriot and champion of liberty." -Ron Paul

I don't really have a problem with this moneybomb. If you don't like it, don't give to it. If you don't like the blimp, don't give to it. If you don't like November 5th, don't give to it. I don't really see what the big ruckus is over this. If someone wants to set up a day to raise a lot of money for someone that Ron Paul calls a "true patriot and champion of liberty" then I would think that it would be a good thing! I'm a white, traditional, conservative, Republican, and whatever other adjective you wanna call me. So the person that said it would turn people like me off is WRONG! That person doesn't speak for everybody, only for him or herself. A few people said November 5th would be the end of the campaign, and it was compeltely the opposite. They said it would turn people off, and it was completely the opposite. I, for one, am not going to speak for anybody else, and I'll just say that if you want to celebrate Martin Luther King Day by donating to Ron Paul, I wish you luck! Remember that the opposers do not speak for all of us, and cannot look into the future to see how people will react as some tried to do before November 5th. The free market works and the good ideas will rise to the top. Go Ron Paul!

[Revolution9]

Let MLK have his own day. Don't co-opt it and use it for our purposes....

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/236/453349460_298e9cb9d5.jpg

HTH
Randy

[Taco John]

Why do you support using a person for a money bomb who's philosophies lined up with American Socialists and the American Communist Party?

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Because that's not what Americans associate MLK with. They associate him with the spirit of equality. He's the American symbol for judging people as individuals, by the content of their character, not by the people groups that they belong to. Dr. Paul shares the same vision.

...And he's going to need money after February 5th to battle for the straggler states that may very well be in play. We're going to need at least another 5 million for that.

[LibertyEagle]

Well hell, why don't we have a "911 is an inside job" fundraiser too. :mad:

[adwads]

stop arguing about MLK as a person and come together on a solution...i propose the 3 or 4 birthdays in jaunary moneybomb, consider it please...http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=60459

[KewlRonduderules]

stop arguing about MLK as a person and come together on a solution...i propose the 3 or 4 birthdays in jaunary moneybomb, consider it please...http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=60459

+1

[chandlerLBT]

Well hell, why don't we have a "911 is an inside job" fundraiser too. :mad:

So now MLK is a conspiracy theory?

[Minuteman]

I dont think I can do another money bomb. I'll help Ron get to 20mil for the quarter and will donate when I can. I believe the "moneybomb" theme has run its course. Its initial inception and goal was to generate news media. The only news worthy media from another bomb would be if it failed.

[FrankRep]

So what? He was a Communist.

So what? Name calling won't win your case.

[Taco John]

Well hell, why don't we have a "911 is an inside job" fundraiser too. :mad:




Let 'er rip!

It's a marketplace of ideas. Nobody is stopping you.

People nay sayed all along the way on November 5th. We just rolled right over them. It didn't stop them from complaining. A lot of good it did them.

[Wayne Hammond]

If someone wants to set up a day to raise a lot of money for someone that Ron Paul calls a "true patriot and champion of liberty" then I would think that it would be a good thing!

Please provide proof that Dr. Ron Paul actually said that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a "true patriot and champion of liberty"...

If he actually said that, and meant it, I'm withdrawing my support for Ron Paul.

.

[LibertyEagle]

So now MLK is a conspiracy theory?

No. HE WAS A COMMUNIST!!!! What about that, do you guys not understand?

[chandlerLBT]

LibertyEagle, we are aware that you believe Martin Luther King was a Republican Communist. You can stop informing us this disinformation now.

[Original_Intent]

The argument that "the naysayers are always proved wrong" is lame.

What you are suggesting is that every idea that has ever been proposed on the forums has been implemented and gone on to succeed. Rubbish.

This is just an attempt to shut down criticism of a bad idea. People can look at the ideas, the suggestions to improve or the suggestions not to do it and the market will decide from there. Trying to shout down the opposition with "the naysayers have always been proven wrong!' is a non-argument with no merit to the discussion.

[LibertyEagle]

Let 'er rip!

It's a marketplace of ideas. Nobody is stopping you.

People nay sayed all along the way on November 5th. We just rolled right over them. It didn't stop them from complaining. A lot of good it did them.

I was being sarcastic and I wish I hadn't even said it. The thing is, the Truthers know better than to do something like that, in the name of Ron Paul. But, here some of you are going to celebrate the birthday of a COMMUNIST in the name of Ron Paul.

Are you nuts?

[LibertyEagle]

LibertyEagle, we are aware that you believe Martin Luther King was a Republican Communist. You can stop informing us this disinformation now.

It is the truth. But, you are right, I will stop saying it. Sorry.

Did you read the article that Revolution9 posted?

[mconder]

http://www.martinlutherking.org/

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Please provide proof that Dr. Ron Paul actually said that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a "true patriot and champion of liberty"...

If he actually said that, and meant it, I'm withdrawing my support for Ron Paul.

.

Ron Paul said that here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul388.html

And yes, while MLK Jr. had a bad concept of what government should do, he still was an important champion of liberty, and a patriotic one at that.

So if you're going to withdraw your support for Ron Paul, you'd better do it now, before your rash ignorance infects others on this forum.

[Wayne Hammond]

It is the truth. But, you are right, I will stop saying it. Sorry.

Did you read the article that Revolution9 posted?

Maybe you'll stop, but I won't.

Martin Luther King Jr. was a COMMUNIST. (in philosophy, not title)

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[r3volution]

no thanks ..

[Revolution9]

So what? Name calling won't win your case.

He was a communist..Funded and trained. Was a marxist privately. He is being labelled what he was fronting for ... regardless of the reason he did so. That does not diminish his virtuous acts and neither should his virtuous acts extinguish any non-virtuous acts or connections. They are all sum and parcel of every individual.

Best Regards
Randy

[chandlerLBT]

I was being sarcastic and I wish I hadn't even said it. The thing is, the Truthers know better than to do something like that, in the name of Ron Paul. But, here some of you are going to celebrate the birthday of a COMMUNIST in the name of Ron Paul.

Are you nuts?

We are donating to Ron Paul on the day of Martin Luther King because he is the American symbol of nonviolent revolutions, and his dream of freedom and equality. We are not endorsing his other views that a select few would describe as Communistic.

[Taco John]

I was being sarcastic and I wish I hadn't even said it. The thing is, the Truthers know better than to do something like that, in the name of Ron Paul. But, here some of you are going to celebrate the birthday of a COMMUNIST in the name of Ron Paul.

Are you nuts?



I'm not celebrating a communist, and I reject that characterization.

I'm celebrating the vision of liberty, freedom, and equality as shared by two revolutionary doctors, one of which is currently running for president.

[Wayne Hammond]

Ron Paul said that here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul388.html

And yes, while MLK Jr. had a bad concept of what government should do, he still was an important champion of liberty, and a patriotic one at that.

So if you're going to withdraw your support for Ron Paul, you'd better do it now, before your rash ignorance infects others on this forum.

DISINFORMATION... you quoted him out of context.. I suggest you learn how to read.

Go to your own link, sir... He said, "They are never praised as champions of liberty as Gandhi and Martin Luther King have been."

He did not say, "I believe that Gandhi and Martin Luther King are champions of liberty".

BIG DIFFERENCE. He was saying that people praise them as champions of liberty - not that he agreed with that statement.

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[Revolution9]

LibertyEagle, we are aware that you believe Martin Luther King was a Republican Communist. You can stop informing us this disinformation now.

You are the obfuscationist and disinformationist here. You will not be able to escape historical facts. You apparently skimmed right over the factual article by Dr Makow i posted earlier in the thread.

Randy

[Delain]

Let 'er rip!

It's a marketplace of ideas. Nobody is stopping you.

People nay sayed all along the way on November 5th. We just rolled right over them. It didn't stop them from complaining. A lot of good it did them.

Touche! :)

Though I still feel like its not such a good idea because of


I haven't read through the posts on this topic yet -- so I'm sorry if I'm rehashing a well-worn theme.

More money bombs are fine with me. They've been huge successes so far, and I think that we may be good for a couple more before it's all said and done. However, I don't like the MLK money bomb. Let MLK have his own day. Don't co-opt it and use it for our purposes -- there are too many people who would react very negatively to this. The tea-party was OK, because nobody is emotionally invested in the tea party. Plenty of people are emotionally invested in MLK, and would see this political fundraiser as a big slap in the face.

[ENDelt260]

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[chandlerLBT]

http://www.martinlutherking.org/

A SITE THAT LIES ABOUT MARTIN LUTHER KING AND WAS WRITTEN BY STORMFRONT DOES NOT HELP YOUR CASE.

[LFOD]

A SITE THAT LIES ABOUT MARTIN LUTHER KING AND WAS WRITTEN BY STORMFRONT DOES NOT HELP YOUR CASE.

QFT

[Revolution9]

Ron Paul said that here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul388.html

And yes, while MLK Jr. had a bad concept of what government should do, he still was an important champion of liberty, and a patriotic one at that.

So if you're going to withdraw your support for Ron Paul, you'd better do it now, before your rash ignorance infects others on this forum.

if you are referring to this then reread it a second time.


These American patriots are sadly looked down upon by many. They are never praised as champions of liberty as Gandhi and Martin Luther King have been.

HTH
Randy

[steph3n]

A SITE THAT LIES ABOUT MARTIN LUTHER KING AND WAS WRITTEN BY STORMFRONT DOES NOT HELP YOUR CASE.

very true, look at the bottom of the site and see who makes that site

[Ron LOL]

I think it would be a PR nightmare to schedule the next mass donation effort for MLK day. Come on, be honest: how many people are going to think that we're exploiting MLK's reputation? A lot...

[Noble]

*Watches Ron Paul Community Implode*

This is too controversial. I hope it fizzles out.

But obviously, I can't stop you all from supporting it, even if I do think its a bad idea.

I can only try to persuade you.

[Taco John]

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Nice find, Delt... :)

[Revolution9]

Nice find, Delt... :)

But disproves nothing about his communist ties. If this is what passes for rebuttal then the intellectual status quo is remarkably low.

Randy

[Wayne Hammond]

Nice find, Delt... :)

Stormfront.org is a bunch of racists pigs...

but if they have an article that says that the earth is a sphere, does that automatically make the world flat?

Just because they happened to post that MLK Jr. is a communist does nothing for, or against, that argument.

The fact is that he was a COMMUNIST, whether Stormfront agrees with that or not.


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[Dieseler]

I have a feeling we will look back at these post sometime in the future and wish we had not gone here.
You wont make a racist out of me nor will you make me a panderer nor will I take part in any polarizing campaign killer like this.

I got a dream to...And he ain't in the whitehouse yet

[chipvogel]

looks too much link we are pandering

[Taco John]

I'm done with this conversation. I've signed up. That's all that matters to me. I'm encouraging others to sign up. I hope they will for the sake of the campaign. We're going to need money to attack the straggler states. If they decide not to, fine with me... Free country, right?

[ENDelt260]

If I wanted to make an argument that the Earth was spherical, I could find any number of non-Stormfront sources to cite.

That said, I'm not the slightest bit concerned with any communist beliefs Dr. King may or may not have held. I don't really care if a particular person supports this or any other money bomb or not. I just think it's interesting to note which posters on here are citing Stormfront as a source.

Not everyone will bother to do a whois search to determine who the Stormfront supporters/sympathizers are.

[Alex Libman]

I'm not saying the Ron Paul campaign should pick up any of the MLK myths (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/epstein9.html), far from it... What I am saying is that the other candidates are pandering and playing politics in much more unprincipled ways, and if we don't then we're bringing a knife to a gunfight!

Remember, it's a grassroots effort, not something that defines the official campaign. The message is solidarity, "some people who marched with Dr. King would also march with Dr Paul"! A moneybomb is all about Paul's supporters that choose to donate on that day, who can be very diverse ideologically but agree on limiting the powers of the Federal Government. And MLK has at least as much to do with Ron Paul as Guy Fawkes does!

MLK wasn't perfect, but he was a passive resistance leader, an admirer of Mahatma Gandhi, who spoke out against the Vietnam war - and that's good enough for some people! If you don't agree, donate some other day!

I just hope Paul don't meet the same fate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King%2C_Jr.#Assassination) as he did...

[Dieseler]

Your gonna polarize the voter base with this shit. Thats the bottom line.
Nothing more nothing less.
I can't believe we are even arguing this dumb shit
What was the vote? Wanna be democratic about it? I doubt it.

[Taco John]

What was the vote? Wanna be democratic about it? I doubt it.


I don't want to be democratic about it. I want to be libertarian about it.

[Wayne Hammond]

That said, I'm not the slightest bit concerned with any communist beliefs Dr. King may or may not have held.

Well, then.. I guess you wouldn't mind an Joseph Stalin money bomb, a Karl Marx money bomb?... jeesh. :rolleyes:

A MLK Jr. money bomb is pretty close to about the worst idea I've heard yet. For conservatives who know he was a communist in philosophy, and for African Americans who believe we will be pandering to them by invoking his name for a Ron Paul money bomb.

Bad idea, period.

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[chandlerLBT]

I'm donating on MLK Day. I hope the site to do so does not get taken down. I will donate to Ron Paul on the day of Martin Luther King because he is the American symbol of nonviolent revolutions, and because of his dream for freedom and equality. While sending money to Ron Paul on MLK Day, I am not endorsing MLK's other views that a select few would describe as Communistic.

I'm done. You guys are right, this has gone far beyond a debate, there is no longer room for persuasion, everyone now has their own set opinion, and both sides refuse to let their opinions be challenged.

[ZenX]

Thanks to whoever introduced me to Henry Makow. The wife and I just threw out the Scruples game we bought years ago.

[Wayne Hammond]

I'm donating on MLK Day. I hope the site to do so does not get taken down. I will donate to Ron Paul on the day of Martin Luther King because he is the American symbol of nonviolent revolutions, and his dream of freedom and equality. While sending money to Ron Paul on MLK Day, I am not endorsing MLK's other views that a select few would describe as Communistic..

Well then, donate on that day, but by God, don't tell the media that the majority of Ron Paul supporters are behind it.

If you want to lose a LOT of potential conservative supporters, just promote a MLK Jr. money bomb - and we'll LOSE conservatives who could have been converted to the cause by OTHER, LESS CONTROVERSIAL METHODS.


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[TheIndependent]

Welcome Vijay!

Signed up, and money's locked and loaded.

[ENDelt260]

Well, then.. I guess you wouldn't mind an Joseph Stalin money bomb, a Karl Marx money bomb?... jeesh. :rolleyes:

Not particularly. I doubt either would get much traction.

It's certainly not anything I'm going to lose sleep over. Just like I don't lose much sleep over support from Stormfronters or Truthers or anyone else I disagree with.

Misguided and/or stupid people supporting the same candidate I do doesn't change the actual views of said candidate any.

[Dieseler]

I'm donating on MLK Day. I hope the site to do so does not get taken down. I will donate to Ron Paul on the day of Martin Luther King because he is the American symbol of nonviolent revolutions, and because of his dream for freedom and equality. While sending money to Ron Paul on MLK Day, I am not endorsing MLK's other views that a select few would describe as Communistic.

I'm done. You guys are right, this has gone far beyond a debate, there is no longer room for persuasion, everyone now has their own set opinion, and both sides refuse to let their opinions be challenged.

I guess so chandler. I'm sure I will donate to, but mark my word on this, it is a mistake and the originators of this moneybomb may very well be responsible for the polarization of the voter base that cost our candidate the nomination.
You should pick your fights a bit more wisely when you have everyones interest at stake. That goes for all of you!

[chandlerLBT]

Well then, donate on that day, but by God, don't tell the media that the majority of Ron Paul supporters are behind it.

If you want to lose a LOT of potential conservative supporters, just promote a MLK Jr. money bomb - and we'll LOSE conservatives who could have been converted to the cause by OTHER, LESS CONTROVERSIAL METHODS.


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Uh. I'm pretty sure the people who donate to Ron Paul on that day will ALL be Ron Paul supporters.

[Wayne Hammond]

I guess so chandler. I'm sure I will donate to, but mark my word on this, it is a mistake and the originators of this moneybomb may very well be responsible for the polarization of the voter base that cost our candidate the nomination.
You should pick your fights a bit more wisely when you have everyones interest at stake. That goes for all of you!

I'm not mad at anyone - I just think it's very unwise to have a money bomb on the celebrated birthday of such a controversial figure.

That's why the Tea Party was ideal - very little controversy that it was a positive date in our nation's history... can't say that about the national MLK holiday, however.

Can't we find a more positive, less controversial date folks?

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[Omnis]

MLK helped eliminate one of the most disgusting overuses of government power. Imagine, the government saying that people of different skin colors couldn't eat in the same restaurants or drink from the same fountains.

I'm in.

And LibertyEagle, as a Republican I can say [Admin- removed personal attack]

What are you talking about? Government ended racial discrimination through the interstate commerce clause. It wasn't government saying that people of color couldn't eat in their restaurants, it was the property owners.

[Taco John]

Can't we find a more positive, less controversial date folks?

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Like November 11th?

Oh, wait a minute... Deja vu...

[chandlerLBT]

Maybe it's my age(18), but I've never heard anyone say Martin Luther King Jr. was a controversial figure before today.

[Dieseler]

Uh. I'm pretty sure the people who donate to Ron Paul on that day will ALL be Ron Paul supporters.

Yeah man, anyone that donates On that day will be Ron Paul supporters.
I'm more concerned about the ones who might have donated on that day and didn't
and the ones who might have voted for Dr. Paul in the primaries but don't.
This isn't a crusade, this is a campaign.

[dspectre]

Maybe it's my age(18), but I've never heard anyone say Martin Luther King Jr. was a controversial figure before today.

If you look really close in history, everyone who is famous is a controversial figure.

[steph3n]

the only people making this "polarizing" are the people that want to polarize it.

[LibertyEagle]

Here's something I just ran into:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/epstein9.html

http://www.etherzone.com/2003/stang011703.shtml

[Hurricane Bruiser]

By all means if you're going to do this money-bomb and it will give Dr Paul money that's good. But please do not promote it to white republicans, it will only turn them away.

Promote it on rap music boards on the internet. Promote it at rap concerts. Promote it to blacks and minorities. That's the type of peoples we need to target.


Well as a white American, I wouldn't be turned away by someone promoting Martin Luther King. It certainly doesn't appeal to me but it doesn't turn me off either. It's a way to promote Ron Paul in the minority community and that I think is creative. I'm pretty tapped out of funds right now and would like to see some other projects funded but I won't stand up and say "don't do it".

[Wayne Hammond]

Maybe it's my age(18), but I've never heard anyone say Martin Luther King Jr. was a controversial figure before today.

It's just your age. You've been duped by the public school system.

The fact is that MLK Jr. was a communist/socialist in philosophy.

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[chipvogel]

Is it really that important to match a birthday or historical date at this point?
There are a lot of small contributors; so just pick a day somewhere around the time most people get paid.

[chandlerLBT]

If you look really close in history, everyone who is famous is a controversial figure.

Not just the famous. Everyone. But what Dr. King stands for is freedom and equality, what he symbolizes in America is a peaceful protest. That's why I'm participating in this money bomb.

[Wayne Hammond]

Here's something I just ran into:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/epstein9.html

http://www.etherzone.com/2003/stang011703.shtml

Yeah, all you young whipersnappers who don't know historical facts about MLK Jr. please read the above article on Lew Rockwell's website.

That's your "hero" MLK, Jr. he's talking about.

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[chandlerLBT]

Whether he was a socialist, (yet a registered Republican) or not, he was the leader in the first American peaceful revolution, that's what people know him for, that is what he symbolizes. I didn't agree with Guy Fawkes trying to blow people up, but I still donated on the 5th.

[Wayne Hammond]

Read this, then tell me that you support an MLK Jr. Money Bomb...


Fair use, from:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/epstein9.html

Myths of Martin Luther King

by Marcus Epstein

There is probably no greater sacred cow in America than Martin Luther King Jr. The slightest criticism of him or even suggesting that he isn’t deserving of a national holiday leads to the usual accusations of racist, fascism, and the rest of the usual left-wing epithets not only from liberals, but also from many ostensible conservatives and libertarians.

This is amazing because during the 50s and 60s, the Right almost unanimously opposed the civil rights movement. Contrary to the claims of many neocons, the opposition was not limited to the John Birch Society and southern conservatives. It was made by politicians like Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, and in the pages of Modern Age, Human Events, National Review, and the Freeman.

Today, the official conservative and libertarian movement portrays King as someone on our side who would be fighting Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton if he were alive. Most all conservative publications and websites have articles around this time of the year praising King and discussing how today’s civil rights leaders are betraying his legacy. Jim Powell’s otherwise excellent The Triumph of Liberty rates King next to Ludwig von Mises and Albert J. Nock as a libertarian hero. Attend any IHS seminar, and you’ll read "A letter from a Birmingham Jail" as a great piece of anti-statist wisdom. The Heritage Foundation regularly has lectures and symposiums honoring his legacy. There are nearly a half dozen neocon and left-libertarian think tanks and legal foundations with names such as "The Center for Equal Opportunity" and the "American Civil Rights Institute" which claim to model themselves after King.

Why is a man once reviled by the Right now celebrated by it as a hero? The answer partly lies in the fact that the mainstream Right has gradually moved to the left since King’s death. The influx of many neoconservative intellectuals, many of whom were involved in the civil rights movement, into the conservative movement also contributes to the King phenomenon. This does not fully explain the picture, because on many issues King was far to the left of even the neoconservatives, and many King admirers even claim to adhere to principles like freedom of association and federalism. The main reason is that they have created a mythical Martin Luther King Jr., that they constructed solely from one line in his "I Have a Dream" speech.

In this article, I will try to dispel the major myths that the conservative movement has about King. I found a good deal of the information for this piece in I May Not Get There With You: The True Martin Luther King by black leftist Michael Eric Dyson. Dyson shows that King supported black power, reparations, affirmative action, and socialism. He believes this made King even more admirable. He also deals frankly with King’s philandering and plagiarism, though he excuses them. If you don’t mind reading his long discussions about gangsta rap and the like, I strongly recommend this book.

Myth #1: King wanted only equal rights, not special privileges and would have opposed affirmative action, quotas, reparations, and the other policies pursued by today’s civil rights leadership.

This is probably the most repeated myth about King. Writing on National Review Online, There Heritage Foundation’s Matthew Spalding wrote a piece entitled "Martin Luther King’s Conservative Mind," where he wrote, "An agenda that advocates quotas, counting by race and set-asides takes us away from King's vision."

The problem with this view is that King openly advocated quotas and racial set-asides. He wrote that the "Negro today is not struggling for some abstract, vague rights, but for concrete improvement in his way of life." When equal opportunity laws failed to achieve this, King looked for other ways. In his book Where Do We Go From Here, he suggested that "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis." To do this he expressed support for quotas. In a 1968 Playboy interview, he said, "If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas." King was more than just talk in this regard. Working through his Operation Breadbasket, King threatened boycotts of businesses that did not hire blacks in proportion to their population.
King was even an early proponent of reparations. In his 1964 book, Why We Can’t Wait, he wrote,
No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law.
Predicting that critics would note that many whites were equally disadvantaged, King claimed that his program, which he called the "Bill of Rights for the Disadvantaged" would help poor whites as well. This is because once the blacks received reparations, the poor whites would realize that their real enemy was rich whites.

Myth # 2: King was an American patriot, who tried to get Americans to live up to their founding ideals.

In National Review, Roger Clegg wrote that "There may have been a brief moment when there existed something of a national consensus – a shared vision eloquently articulated in Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, with deep roots in the American Creed, distilled in our national motto, E pluribus unum. Most Americans still share it, but by no means all." Many other conservatives have embraced this idea of an American Creed that built upon Jefferson and Lincoln, and was then fulfilled by King and libertarians like Clint Bolick and neocons like Bill Bennett.

Despite his constant invocations of the Declaration of Independence, King did not have much pride in America’s founding. He believed "our nation was born in genocide," and claimed that the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were meaningless for blacks because they were written by slave owners.

Myth # 3: King was a Christian activist whose struggle for civil rights is similar to the battles fought by the Christian Right today.

Ralph Reed claims that King’s "indispensable genius" provided "the vision and leadership that renewed and made crystal clear the vital connection between religion and politics." He proudly admitted that the Christian Coalition "adopted many elements of King’s style and tactics." The pro-life group, Operation Rescue, often compared their struggle against abortion to King’s struggle against segregation. In a speech entitled The Conservative Virtues of Dr. Martin Luther King, Bill Bennet described King, as "not primarily a social activist, he was primarily a minister of the Christian faith, whose faith informed and directed his political beliefs."

Both King’s public stands and personal behavior makes the comparison between King and the Religious Right questionable.

FBI surveillance showed that King had dozens of extramarital affairs. Although many of the pertinent records are sealed, several agents who watched observed him engage in many questionable acts including buying prostitutes with SCLC money. Ralph Abernathy, who King called "the best friend I have in the world," substantiated many of these charges in his autobiography, And the Walls Came Tumbling Down. It is true that a man’s private life is mostly his business. However, most conservatives vehemently condemned Jesse Jackson when news of his illegitimate son came out, and claimed he was unfit to be a minister.

King also took stands that most in the Christian Right would disagree with. When asked about the Supreme Court’s decision to ban school prayer, King responded,

I endorse it. I think it was correct. Contrary to what many have said, it sought to outlaw neither prayer nor belief in god. In a pluralistic society such as ours, who is to determine what prayer shall be spoken and by whom? Legally, constitutionally or otherwise, the state certainly has no such right.

While King died before the Roe vs. Wade decision, and, to the best of my knowledge, made no comments on abortion, he was an ardent supporter of Planned Parenthood. He even won their Margaret Sanger Award in 1966 and had his wife give a speech entitled Family Planning – A Special and Urgent Concern which he wrote. In the speech, he did not compare the civil rights movement to the struggle of Christian Conservatives, but he did say "there is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts."

Myth # 4: King was an anti-communist.

In another article about Martin Luther King, Roger Clegg of National Reviewapplauds King for speaking out against the "oppression of communism!" To gain the support of many liberal whites, in the early years, King did make a few mild denunciations of communism. He also claimed in a 1965 Playboy that there "are as many Communists in this freedom movement as there are Eskimos in Florida." This was a bald-faced lie. Though King was never a Communist and was always critical of the Soviet Union, he had knowingly surrounded himself with Communists. His closest advisor Stanley Levison was a Communist, as was his assistant Jack O’Dell. Robert and later John F. Kennedy repeatedly warned him to stop associating himself with such subversives, but he never did. He frequently spoke before Communist front groups such as the National Lawyers Guild and Lawyers for Democratic Action. King even attended seminars at The Highlander Folk School, another Communist front, which taught Communist tactics, which he later employed.

King’s sympathy for communism may have contributed to his opposition to the Vietnam War, which he characterized as a racist, imperialistic, and unjust war. King claimed that America "had committed more war crimes than any nation in the world." While he acknowledged the NLF "may not be paragons of virtue," he never criticized them. However, he was rather harsh on Diem and the South. He denied that the NLF was communist, and believed that Ho Chi Minh should have been the legitimate ruler of Vietnam. As a committed globalist, he believed that "our loyalties must transcend our race, our tribe, our class, and our nation. This means we must develop a world perspective."

Many of King’s conservative admirers have no problem calling anyone who questions American foreign policy a "fifth columnist." While I personally agree with King on some of his stands on Vietnam, it is hypocritical for those who are still trying to get Jane Fonda tried for sedition to applaud King.

Myth # 5: King supported the free market.

OK, you don’t hear this too often, but it happens. For example, Father Robert A. Sirico delivered a paper to the Acton Institute entitled Civil Rights and Social Cooperation. In it, he wrote,

A freer economy would take us closer to the ideals of the pioneers in this country's civil rights movement. Martin Luther King, Jr. recognized this when he wrote: "With the growth of industry the folkways of white supremacy will gradually pass away," and he predicted that such growth would "Increase the purchasing power of the Negro [which in turn] will result in improved medical care, greater educational opportunities, and more adequate housing. Each of these developments will result in a further weakening of segregation."

King of course was a great opponent of the free economy. In a speech in front of his staff in 1966 he said,

You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry… Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism… There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism.

King called for "totally restructuring the system" in a way that was not capitalist or "the antithesis of communist." For more information on King’s economic views, see Lew Rockwell’s The Economics of Martin Luther King, Jr.

Myth # 6: King was a conservative.

As all the previous myths show, King’s views were hardly conservative. If this was not enough, it is worth noting what King said about the two most prominent postwar American conservative politicians, Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater.

King accused Barry Goldwater of "Hitlerism." He believed that Goldwater advocated a "narrow nationalism, a crippling isolationism, and a trigger-happy attitude." On domestic issues he felt that "Mr. Goldwater represented an unrealistic conservatism that was totally out of touch with the realities of the twentieth century." King said that Goldwater’s positions on civil rights were "morally indefensible and socially suicidal."

King said of Reagan, "When a Hollywood performer, lacking distinction even as an actor, can become a leading war hawk candidate for the presidency, only the irrationalities induced by war psychosis can explain such a turn of events."

Despite King’s harsh criticisms of those men, both supported the King holiday. Goldwater even fought to keep King’s FBI files, which contained information about his adulterous sex life and Communist connections, sealed.

Myth # 7: King wasn’t a plagiarist.

OK, even most of the neocons won’t deny this, but it is still worth bringing up, because they all ignore it. King started plagiarizing as an undergraduate. When Boston University founded a commission to look into it, they found that that 45 percent of the first part and 21 percent of the second part of his dissertation was stolen, but they insisted that "no thought should be given to revocation of Dr. King’s doctoral degree." In addition to his dissertation many of his major speeches, such as "I Have a Dream," were plagiarized, as were many of his books and writings. For more information on King’s plagiarism, The Martin Luther King Plagiarism Page and Theodore Pappas’ Plagiarism and the Culture War are excellent resources.

When faced with these facts, most of King’s conservative and libertarian fans either say they weren’t part of his main philosophy, or usually they simply ignore them. Slightly before the King Holiday was signed into law, Governor Meldrim Thompson of New Hampshire wrote a letter to Ronald Reagan expressing concerns about King’s morality and Communist connections. Ronald Reagan responded, "I have the reservations you have, but here the perception of too many people is based on an image, not reality. Indeed, to them the perception is reality."

Far too many on the Right are worshipping that perception. Rather than face the truth about King’s views, they create a man based upon a few lines about judging men "by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin" – something we are not supposed to do in his case, of course – while ignoring everything else he said and did. If King is truly an admirable figure, they are doing his legacy a disservice by using his name to promote an agenda he clearly would not have supported.

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[Jagwarr]

I don't think we are looking at the big picture here. This idea will push more people away then it will attract. I think it is true that younger Americans have a different view on this part of American history then those who lived through it. While the outcome of the MLK was good and he used peaceful methods the fact is there was a lot of violence during those days.

The outcome of our civil war was also good but I doubt many here would celebrate the war itself and many older Americans view the MLK period in the same light.

Remember we are trying to attract people and win an election here, not make a political statement.

[adwads]

There are FIVE birthdays of American Patriots in January and MLK is only 1 of those 5. Check it out:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=60459

[rwl4]

I'm in.

Vijay, please make the $100 dollar pledge part more prominent. Also, is it possible to make the pledge count update automatically every hour or minute?

[parocks]

"It is dissent from government policies that defines the true patriot and champion of liberty." -Ron Paul

I don't really have a problem with this moneybomb. If you don't like it, don't give to it. If you don't like the blimp, don't give to it. If you don't like November 5th, don't give to it. I don't really see what the big ruckus is over this. If someone wants to set up a day to raise a lot of money for someone that Ron Paul calls a "true patriot and champion of liberty" then I would think that it would be a good thing! I'm a white, traditional, conservative, Republican, and whatever other adjective you wanna call me. So the person that said it would turn people like me off is WRONG! That person doesn't speak for everybody, only for him or herself. A few people said November 5th would be the end of the campaign, and it was compeltely the opposite. They said it would turn people off, and it was completely the opposite. I, for one, am not going to speak for anybody else, and I'll just say that if you want to celebrate Martin Luther King Day by donating to Ron Paul, I wish you luck! Remember that the opposers do not speak for all of us, and cannot look into the future to see how people will react as some tried to do before November 5th. The free market works and the good ideas will rise to the top. Go Ron Paul!


Tea Party was the result of much discussion and the a consensus was reached.
If nothing else, there should be a process to decide what the next money bomb or big event should be. Perhaps the top 10 ideas should be put in a poll, and that poll should be stickied. People can go on there and talk up their idea or the idea they support. Perhaps the lowest vote getter can be removed and the totals reset every day or every couple of days. I really don't like the idea that 2 people
(who are doing a great job) who are very busy are coming here and presenting this mlk money bomb as a done deal. Trevor has got to be busy with the blimp, and I would argue that that's what he should be focusing on 100%, especially within the context of frantic emails stating that money is needed now or the blimp will be grounded. Have a poll - next money bomb / big event.

[chandlerLBT]

Read this, then tell me that you support an MLK Jr. Money Bomb...

I still support a MLK Jr. Money Bomb. Just as I supported a 5th of November Money Bomb.

I don't agree with Guy Fawkes attempting to blow up the Parliament, but I do agree that we need to take a stand against the corruption of government.

I don't agree with everything that Martin Luther King did or believed in, but I do agree in the things he stands for today. Freedom, equality, and a peaceful revolution.

[Ron Paul Fan]

Tea Party was the result of much discussion and the a consensus was reached.
If nothing else, there should be a process to decide what the next money bomb or big event should be. Perhaps the top 10 ideas should be put in a poll, and that poll should be stickied. People can go on there and talk up their idea or the idea they support. Perhaps the lowest vote getter can be removed and the totals reset every day or every couple of days. I really don't like the idea that 2 people
(who are doing a great job) who are very busy are coming here and presenting this mlk money bomb as a done deal. Trevor has got to be busy with the blimp, and I would argue that that's what he should be focusing on 100%, especially within the context of frantic emails stating that money is needed now or the blimp will be grounded. Have a poll - next money bomb / big event.

A consensus will never be reached on MLK day. It's obvious that too many people have a problem with it. I personally don't, but that's just me. It looks like Benjamin Franklin's birthday is also around that same time, so maybe that's a better option. Any objections to Ben Franklin? Was he also a communist?

[Taco John]

Read this, then tell me that you support an MLK Jr. Money Bomb...

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I read it. I still support a MLK Jr. Money Bomb...

I believe in his message of equality based on individualism over skin color, and I agree with Dr. Paul in that I admire his methods of peaceful revolution.

[LibertyEagle]

I believe in his message of equality based on individualism over skin color

I agree with that too. Isn't there some other way we can show that, besides this particular money bomb?

[Taco John]

Tea Party was the result of much discussion and the a consensus was reached.


No it wasn't... There was no discussion. Someone posted a video. Someone else posted a website. People reacted to it.

It's not like there was a lot of deliberation and a consensus built before any of it happened. It just happened.

And people were strongly against it. You know what they did? Started their own, competing cause...

[Hurricane Bruiser]

Here's something I just ran into:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/epstein9.html

http://www.etherzone.com/2003/stang011703.shtml


Interesting reading material. I can't see very many people supporting Ron Paul jumping up and down to donate on a day tied to Martin Luther King based upon what I find in that article. Very much opposite Ron Paul on so many issues.

[Sematary]

I don't know who you are, you don't say what you will use the email database for and your only goal seems to be to get as many subscribers as possible. You should at least fix the website and state some things clearly.

If you don't know who he is then you should do some research then apologize to a great American for being an ASS.

[Wayne Hammond]

I still support a MLK Jr. Money Bomb. Just as I supported a 5th of November Money Bomb.

I don't agree with Guy Fawkes attempting to blow up the Parliament, but I do agree that we need to take a stand against the corruption of government.

I don't agree with everything that Martin Luther King did or believed in, but I do agree in the things he stands for today. Freedom, equality, and a peaceful revolution.


MLK Jr. did not stand for "freedom" - you obviously did not read the article carefully.

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[chandlerLBT]

A consensus will never be reached on MLK day. It's obvious that too many people have a problem with it. I personally don't, but that's just me. It looks like Benjamin Franklin's birthday is also around that same time, so maybe that's a better option. Any objections to Ben Franklin? Was he also a communist?

No but he was an atheist! All those Christian Republicans would never vote for Ron Paul if his supporters sent him money on an atheist's birthday!

[Taco John]

Isn't there some other way we can show that, besides this particular money bomb?


Come up with something. Nobody is stopping you from taking your energy against this and using it constructively.

But for me, I'm comfortable with January 21st. That works out just about perfect for me, because not only do I believe in the cause, but I'll have replenished my checkbook by then.

[Wayne Hammond]

No it wasn't... There was no discussion. Someone posted a video. Someone else posted a website. People reacted to it.

It's not like there was a lot of deliberation and a consensus built before any of it happened. It just happened..

Oh my God, that is so naive... raising $6 million in one day didn't just happen. There was a consensus - to deny that is putting your head in the sand.

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[chandlerLBT]

MLK Jr. did not stand for "freedom" - you obviously did not read the article carefully.

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He stands for freedom and equality in American society. That's how he is portrayed, whether you believe it or not.