Obama-Bots

[JaylieWoW]

I seriously believe there are some dedicated Obama-bots.

Have you seen his YouTube views over just the past couple of weeks?

Last week it was at 3.8ish million and now all of a sudden its at 6.3 million. Do you really believe there are that many people interested in Obama? I have heard he is extremely charismatic in person, but come on 2.5 million views in just a week?

[Wyurm]

are they videos of him, or more cute women?

[cujothekitten]

There might be but I'm not going to complain about it. I think we have some bots too... I'm sure every campaign has their spammers. Lets cross the Obama bridge when we get to it; first we have to get the nomination.

[dmitchell]

Interesting news. I don't see this as any kind of threat to Ron Paul though.

[quickmike]

If I were you I wouldnt count on it being bots......... hes pretty popular, and we need to face up what were up against here. Not just some flash in the pan candidate were dealing with. Get Rons name out in the real world if you want any real chance to go up against someone like him, assuming RP gets the nomination.

[MGS]

There might be but I'm not going to complain about it. I think we have some bots too... I'm sure every campaign has their spammers. Lets cross the Obama bridge when we get to it; first we have to get the nomination.

Agreed. Theres no denying there is true support for the man, however misguided we may see it as.

[angrydragon]

Just say they are bots, (maybe they are or not) but lets take it as something to beat. Not with bots, but real support.

[hells_unicorn]

I peered into their posts on the youtube page a couple weeks back to challenge Obama's claim that he is anything other than a typical Chicago style politician and they had a scheme to get him 1 million channel views for the 4th of July. The more telling number is his list of subscribers, which can not be bots, hence they have not grown very much.

Although he is popular among television junkies, particularly Old Media types, he is as hollow as they come when it comes to principles. The greatest thing he has going for him is that he has almost no history as a politician compared to everyone else, hence less negatives.

However, that speech he gave recently where he implied adding 100,000 or so troops to the military (hinting at a possible draft in our future) in order to pursue his own variation of the Wilsonian Foreign Policy will count against him against Ron Paul, people don't want to simply intervene in Africa rather than the Middle East, they are fed up with the entire policy of interventionism.

[angelatc]

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However, that speech he gave recently where he implied adding 100,000 or so troops to the military (hinting at a possible draft in our future) in order to pursue his own variation of the Wilsonian Foreign Policy will count against him against Ron Paul, people don't want to simply intervene in Africa rather than the Middle East, they are fed up with the entire policy of interventionism.

Speaking as a former neocon here, it seems that people only hear what they want to hear though, and the media is more than happy to help them with that.

[jd603]

I do question the view count, also, the whole "obama girl" thing was a paid advertisement by obama, it was too high quality of a production.

Obama has a lot of support but it's not too hard to tamper with views on YouTube, it is safer to go by SUBSCRIBERS. Where does he stand with subscribers?

[hells_unicorn]

I do question the view count, also, the whole "obama girl" thing was a paid advertisement by obama, it was too high quality of a production.

Obama has a lot of support but it's not too hard to tamper with views on YouTube, it is safer to go by SUBSCRIBERS. Where does he stand with subscribers?

He is still in the upper 8000s the last time I checked, he hasn't been moving very much in that department, especially when you look at the jump in his number of views. People are watching his videos, but I don't think they're sold on him, while on Paul's page we are pulling in more than a hundred a day.

P.S. - Not every Youtube subscriber on Paul's page is on his myspace page, I've spoken with 6 or 7 subscribers there who aren't on myspace and don't plan to be, so we definitely have more supporters than just what is on myspace.

[JaylieWoW]

I know I must seem to be obsessing about this somewhat, but Obama is now up to nearly 9 million views on YouTube. I have absolutely no doubt his view count is being botted now. In fact, I'd be willing to bet the campaign is paying someone(s) to do the botting.

[ThePieSwindler]

I know I must seem to be obsessing about this somewhat, but Obama is now up to nearly 9 million views on YouTube. I have absolutely no doubt his view count is being botted now. In fact, I'd be willing to bet the campaign is paying someone(s) to do the botting.

yeah wow thats just insane growth. Unless this stuff is being linked on like, front page of MSN or Yahoo or something, it makes no sense.

Also, WoW sucks.

[JaylieWoW]

yeah wow thats just insane growth. Unless this stuff is being linked on like, front page of MSN or Yahoo or something, it makes no sense.

Also, WoW sucks.

FOR THE HORDE!!

[Trance Dance Master]

abOmanation has been running ads on google. Trying to buy votes with his AIPAC funded war chest. I spoke to a woman at work who liked his wife. I spoke to her about the Federal Reserve and won a debate over money and war issues in front of over two dozen coworkers. A couple weeks ago she preferred Hitlery.

on Paul's page we are pulling in more than a hundred a day
Hundreds sometimes. I've noticed the number shrink a few times too. I wondered why.

[CurtisLow]

I seriously believe there are some dedicated Obama-bots.

Have you seen his YouTube views over just the past couple of weeks?

Last week it was at 3.8ish million and now all of a sudden its at 6.3 million. Do you really believe there are that many people interested in Obama? I have heard he is extremely charismatic in person, but come on 2.5 million views in just a week?

I tend to agree with you. His numbers are going up way to fast. crazy but what can we do about it? bump Ron's numbers!

[ARealConservative]

The only bumber stickers I see around town are Dr. Paul's and Obama's.

So I think the support is very much real. But ask them why they support Obama and it is amazing how llittle they actually know of him.

[MikeStanart]

yeah wow thats just insane growth. Unless this stuff is being linked on like, front page of MSN or Yahoo or something, it makes no sense.

Also, WoW sucks.

lawls.... Wow does suck.... I just deleted my account 3 days ago to give time for my Ron Paul addiction!

[ThePieSwindler]

The only bumber stickers I see around town are Dr. Paul's and Obama's.

So I think the support is very much real. But ask them why they support Obama and it is amazing how llittle they actually know of him.

Ask them if they support his decision to vote to renew the USA PATRIOT act. Ask them, if they are truly freedom loving liberals who value their civil liberties, why they would support a man who either supports an act that in certain instances essentially nullifies the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 14th amendments in different sections, or at the very least does not support it but hasn't read it very carefully?

Most obama supporters are that way for superficial reasons. Simply digging a LITTLE deeper and getting them to think will turn many of the smart ones. Although i disagree with their economic goals (and some social ones), many liberals are still freedom loving people, who if they knew the real deal behind many of the democratic frontrunners, would not support them at all.


lawls.... Wow does suck.... I just deleted my account 3 days ago to give time for my Ron Paul addiction!

Its actually a good game in that they do alot of things right, and cater to the audience well, but what i hate about WoW is many of the players are people who have either never played an MMO before, or have never played any warcraft games before, or both. Warcraft 3 is a better warcraft game, IMO.


Anyways, sorry to get incredibly off topic.

[JaylieWoW]

lawls.... Wow does suck.... I just deleted my account 3 days ago to give time for my Ron Paul addiction!

Hey now, stop criticizing my choice of MMORPGs, what the heck does not liking WoW have to do with Ron Paul?

One thing I'd like to see is an Austrian Economists analysis of Gold Farming. :D

[nullvalu]

Most obama supporters are that way for superficial reasons. Simply digging a LITTLE deeper and getting them to think will turn many of the smart ones. Although i disagree with their economic goals (and some social ones), many liberals are still freedom loving people, who if they knew the real deal behind many of the democratic frontrunners, would not support them at all.

I've noticed that as well. Most people don't realize the socialization of medical care would actually decrease the quality of service. They just see if from the side of "it would give all those poor uninsured people free coverage".

Umm.. Just ask them where's that free coverage going to come from? Your wallet.

[SeanEdwards]

Obama raised over $30 mil in Q2, highest of any announced candidates. Most of those donations were from individuals. Those aren't bots.

Obama is very charismatic, and is a good speaker. He acts presidential, and he has an outsider appeal simply by not being white.

That's why I think the best way to beat Obama, is to assimilate him! He is just a charming good-intentioned fellow who needs to study under the wise tutelage of elder statesman Ron Paul! ;)

Obama should also change his name to something that's not quite so close to Osama, but that's another matter. :D

[nullvalu]

Obama should also change his name to something that's not quite so close to Osama, but that's another matter. :D

Not to mention his middle name is HUSSEIN

[SeanEdwards]

Hey now, stop criticizing my choice of MMORPGs, what the heck does not liking WoW have to do with Ron Paul?

One thing I'd like to see is an Austrian Economists analysis of Gold Farming. :D

Blizzard just creates gold without any gold to back the gold! It's a scam I tell you! ;)

[angelatc]

The sad thing is that Obama is a Democrat, and Al Gore sits on the Google Board Of Directors, so the chances of a 'bot being exposed is practically nil.

[SeanEdwards]

Not to mention his middle name is HUSSEIN

He could adopt Adolf as his first name and go for a trifecta.

[JaylieWoW]

Obama was here in Alabama and was said to have raised $100,000 at a $1,000 per ticket fund raiser (would equal ~100 people in attendance). I don't especially call that overwhelming "individual support". Granted its a drop in the bucket when you consider the full amount of funds reported, how many such $1,000 per ticket fund raisers has he held?

I'm not trying to say he doesn't have support, I know he does, but I am trying to keep that support in perspective. It certainly does not explain that many YouTube views in so short a time.

[angelatc]

I've noticed that as well. Most people don't realize the socialization of medical care would actually decrease the quality of service. They just see if from the side of "it would give all those poor uninsured people free coverage".

Umm.. Just ask them where's that free coverage going to come from? Your wallet.

The health care supporters I've debated don't seem to worry about. For one, they're perfectly content to settle for mediocrity as long as everybody gets exactly the same, and they also think that we could save billions by not providing nearly as much end-of-life care as we currently do.

[nullvalu]

"He will come bearing promises of peace and prosperity. People will be compelled to take the Mark of the Beast by his deceitful charm..."

Personally, I'm kind of glad Ron Paul isn't a charismatic smooth talker.

[Bloody Holly]

I do question the view count, also, the whole "obama girl" thing was a paid advertisement by obama, it was too high quality of a production.

Obama has a lot of support but it's not too hard to tamper with views on YouTube, it is safer to go by SUBSCRIBERS. Where does he stand with subscribers?

finally someone gets it.

She was paid and she's getting alot of attention for it too. Why would anyone think it wasn't a paid for by (insert name) stunt is beyond me.

Yes Obama's supporters are botting but I'm sure mainstream media won't call them bots. That is reserved for Ron Paul supporters. :rolleyes:

[rg123]

Its bots he has gotten less than 100 subscribers in the last couple weeks
for a more acurate count of obama's view's use tubemogul is not affected by the bots obama cumulative views as of 7-11-07 is 2,131,154 Rons is as of the same date 1,806,017 obama last week went up 1% Ron went up 30% basically obama
has upward of 7 million views that are botted and cnn keeps reporting how obama
is #1 online and Ron is second to him only so in some way if you look at it propaganda is being reported as a result of his bots set one up for yourself at tubemogul its free to register and you can see all the different amount of views for each individual video it pretty cool I like it

If you make a group between the 2 and do a cumuulative views for the month meaning name tag of video for July ron has over 41 million views compared to baracks 22 million
a hugh difference

[nullvalu]

Also most of his money has come from illinois/chicago. I live in the chicago market and can tell you here it's "Obama time, All the time".

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp

[Bloody Holly]

Also most of his money has come from illinois/chicago. I live in the chicago market and can tell you here it's "Obama time, All the time".

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp


lol. You just made me imagine Obama in MC Hammer pants saying "Stop...Obama time."

[ThePieSwindler]

Obama raised over $30 mil in Q2, highest of any announced candidates. Most of those donations were from individuals. Those aren't bots.
There were alot of individual donations, but also alot of PAC and corporate donations. I also heard something (though i think it was unsubstantiated, so take with a grain of salt) that he got some money from a chinese company, or a pro-China interest group, or something. Again, unsubstantiated but floated out there.


Obama is very charismatic, and is a good speaker. He acts presidential, and he has an outsider appeal simply by not being white.

No one is debating this - again, all outward appearance. Claims of him having NO substance are false - he does have substance, unfortunately it is of the same sort as George Bush but with a different bent. Instead of Iraq, we will free and liberate the peoples of Darfur! Instead of corporatism in our health care system, we will have socialism! Instead of the PATRIOT act... oh wait he voted for that. nevermind! Instead of nuking Iran... wait... he has said that it is an option still on the table... nevermind. He claims he will clean up washington- hah. Then why does he want to expand government? He is all neat and clean and nice and portrays himself as a "family man" but he is no different from any other run-of-the-mill big government democrat.


That's why I think the best way to beat Obama, is to assimilate him! He is just a charming good-intentioned fellow who needs to study under the wise tutelage of elder statesman Ron Paul! ;)

Thats nice but not going to happen. Even if Obama loses out to Hillary, hes young enough that he can just run next election or even be the VP and not worry too much. You aren't going to suddenly "convert" him to the light when that light happens to be nearly the exact opposite of what he believes or espouses.


Obama should also change his name to something that's not quite so close to Osama, but that's another matter. :D

It sure doesn't seem to be hurting his campaign too much, and the democrats that would vote for him anyways are the same ones that would decry any sort of discrimination based on name or race, so, its not going to hurt him.

Obama is formidable because he is being hyped up by the media and because he has a slightly different flavour, and is new. But beneath the surface, he is the same ol' bag of tricks.

[michaelwise]

Maybe we could get the Go Daddy girl to campaign for Ron Paul.

[nullvalu]

Maybe we could get the Go Daddy girl to campaign for Rom Paul.

I'm all for that, tight leather & politics.. mmmmm.. :p

[SeanEdwards]

You aren't going to suddenly "convert" him to the light when that light happens to be nearly the exact opposite of what he believes or espouses.


What are you talking about? Obama doesn't espouse anything. Look at his issues page: http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/. He says nothing.

[ThePieSwindler]

What are you talking about? Obama doesn't espouse anything. Look at his issues page: http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/. He says nothing.

I use espouses loosely, my friend ;) I wasn't necessarily being critical of you or your view in the sense that i disagree with you in principle. Sure, i wouldnt mind having different ideologies in the cabinet like they did earlier in the nation's history. However, its not going to happen, especially not with Obama, who would be risking everything he has "built" so far politically, and has ALOT of time ahead to gain the support needed for future runs at the presidency.

[Bob Cochran]

I do not know who the next President will be; however I know who it will NOT be: Barack Hussein Obama.

No way. Not that I might not like him personally. He might even be a man of principle and wisdom.

Anyway...

I would like to take this opportunity to repeat my "McCain is toast" mantra. :D

[paulitics]

Its bots or something else going on. The week of 4th of july, Rp's website had like 200,000 perday for a few days in a row, which was a statistical anomoly. Average is about 1/10 of that. So, we experienced the same thing for a lesser period of time. The most important think are the numbers of videos watched, and subscribers....channel views are irrelevent. If you add up the number of views in the videos, I think RP edges Obama out just a little.