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DeadtoSin
12-18-2007, 10:32 PM
Guys, I'm going to start to write a letter to win over Christians. Evangelical people vote in blocks, they trust the leadership of their church. If we can win over the leadership in churches and show them something they haven't seen in the MSM, then we can win over entire churches.

This is a letter I would post on here, and hopefully start a movement to bring a letter with a template we create to all of the local churches.

Right now I am looking for a couple other Christian brothers and sisters to help me write this letter. (I am not excluding non-Christians, it is simply that I feel that Christians are more likely to help me, and I feel that Christians know what other Christians are looking for a bit better.)

Anyone want to help get a movement like this off the ground?

Throwback280s
12-18-2007, 10:34 PM
Guys, I'm going to start to write a letter to win over Christians. Evangelical people vote in blocks, they trust the leadership of their church. If we can win over the leadership in churches and show them something they haven't seen in the MSM, then we can win over entire churches.

This is a letter I would post on here, and hopefully start a movement to bring a letter with a template we create to all of the local churches.

Right now I am looking for a couple other Christian brothers and sisters to help me write this letter. (I am not excluding non-Christians, it is simply that I feel that Christians are more likely to help me, and I feel that Christians know what other Christians are looking for a bit better.)

Anyone want to help get a movement like this off the ground?

Already got one made for ya to use :)
http://files.meetup.com/509308/christian_general.pdf

Dr.3D
12-28-2007, 03:41 PM
Don't forget:

1. Ron Paul practices 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' when speaking of foreign relations.
2. Ron Paul supports the teaching of Jesus to 'Turn the other cheek', instead of striking back and just escalating the conflict.
3. Ron Paul is a peace maker, "Blessed are the peace makers", he will bring home all of the troops.
4. Ron Paul is for 'Just weights and measures', and therefore wants to get rid of the U.S. Federal Reserve.

Read Ezekiel 9:4-14 and 1 Peter 4:17 and then reflect upon the other candidates and think, 'Who of out of all of the others' actually obeys the gospel of God?

If you grieve and lament about what our government is doing, then you should vote for Ron Paul. As a Christian, you should already know how to spot those who are not being honest. 'You shall know them by their fruit.' How many of the others wish to make peace and follow the gospel of God?

phoenix1861
12-30-2007, 10:35 PM
Here's one that I did awhile back and posted on my blog. It may be of some help:

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An Open Letter to Christians regarding Decision 2008

Fellow Christians,

Our country stands at a crossroads. We have faced many difficult times, made many important decisions, in our history; but not since the 1860s have we seen such a struggle as is now underway to define this Republic, to chart its course into the future and to define its place among the nations of the world.

Many voices clamor for our attention. They offer different ideas, born of different values; but for all of the ways in which they differ, there is one element that most of them have in common: they plan to rule. They intend to force their ideals upon all of us, to use our hard-earned tax dollars to further their partisan agendas, to compete with us for the education and moral rearing of our children, to subordinate our freedoms to their pursuit of power, and to put our lives and those of our loved ones at risk for their global ambitions. They will see to it that we the people become servants of the government that was originally established to serve us. They will unapologetically undermine the values that we as Christians hold dearest: the sanctity of life, the rule of law, the sanctity of the home, the sovereignty of our country, the right to raise our children as we see fit, and the freedom to rise to the heights of our God-given potential.

Fortunately, there is one candidate who stands apart from the crowd.

Congressman Ron Paul stands alone among the current presidential contenders in opposition to the authoritarian agenda. Where so many other politicans have paid lip-service to Christian, liberty-friendly values while on the campaign trail, only to betray those ideals once elected, Congressman Paul has established a firm reputation as a statesman and a man of the highest personal integrity, one who refuses to compromise our liberties and the Constitution that enshrines them, and who actually lives by the values he claims to cherish. Not since Ronald Reagan have we been presented with a candidate for president who would restore respect for constitutional rule in Washington and would protect the values that Christians hold dearest.

The following are some of the ways that Congressman Paul, who is a professing Christian (http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm) and faithful church-attender, has proven his liberty-friendly, Christian values. Click on the links to read his remarks and to view video from some of his speeches:

Abortion:

- As an OB-GYN who has delivered over 4,000 babies in a medical career spanning forty years, Ron Paul stands firm against abortion. He has voted to prohibit federal funding of abortions, voted to ban partial-birth abortions, voted against federal funding of fetal stem-cell research, and has authored a bill entitled the Sanctity of Life Act (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-776) (twice introduced in Congress), which would define life as beginning at conception, and which would effectively overturn Roe v. Wade by removing the issue of abortion from the appellate jurisdiction of the federal courts. "A pro-life culture can be built only from the ground up, person by person," says (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul301.html) Congressman Paul. "For too long we have viewed the battle as purely political, but no political victory can change a degraded society. No Supreme Court ruling by itself can instill greater respect for life. And no Supreme Court justice can save our freedoms if we don't fight for them ourselves."

Marriage:

- Ron Paul believes in the traditional definition of marriage as an institution between one man and one woman. He spoke in support of the Defense of Marriage Act, which allows states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states; and in 2005, he authored the We the People Act (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.4379:), which would give states the freedom to pass laws regulating marriage and sexuality without risking intervention from the federal courts. Speaking in Congress (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul207.html) on October 1, 2004, Congressman Paul stated: "I am unwilling either to cede to federal courts the authority to redefine marriage, or to deny a stateís ability to preserve the traditional definition of marriage. Instead, I believe it is time for Congress and state legislatures to reassert their authority by refusing to enforce judicial usurpations of power." Unlike many prominent so-called "family values" politicians, Congressman Paul walks the talk. He is a devoted family man and has been married to the same woman for fifty years.

Education:

- Ron Paul favors abolishing the unconstitutional Department of Education, and is committed to ensuring that "home schooling remains a practical alternative for American families". In 2001, Congressman Paul introduced the Family Education Freedom Act (http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr013101b.htm) in Congress. Had it passed, this bill would have provided tax credits of up to $3,000 for parents who wished to pursue private education or homeschooling alternatives. In his bill, Congressman Paul underscored the importance of giving parents primary control over the education of their children: "Ultimately, Mr. Speaker, this bill is about freedom. Parental control of child rearing, especially education, is one of the bulwarks of liberty. No nation can remain free when the state has greater influence over the knowledge and values transmitted to children than the family."

Children and Health Considerations:

- Ron Paul believes that parents, not government, should be in charge of making decisions regarding the health and general well-being of children. In 2007, Congressman Paul introduced H.R. 2387, the Parental Consent Act (http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h2387_ih.xml), a bill that would have forbidden the use of federal funds to pay for universal mental health screening. The bill would also have blocked federal funding for any local education entity or government agency that brought charges of child-abuse or neglect against parents who did not consent to the mental health screening of their children. Among his reasons for opposing mandatory mental health screening, Congressman Paul states (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul232.html): "Forced mental health screening simply has no place in a free or decent society. The government does not own you or your kids, and it has no legitimate authority to interfere in your familyís intimate health matters...The bottom line is that mental health issues are a matter for parents, children, and their doctors, not government." Additionally, Congressman Paul fears (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul258.html) that, "Screening programs will be influenced by politics. Children of religious parents, for example, risk being labeled 'homophobic'."

The Culture War:

- In a 2003 article (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html) on the controversy surrounding Christmas celebrations, Congressman Paul stated that what was being called an effort for tolerance was actually "a war against religion". He wrote: "The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity." Congressman Paul has acted to protect our religious freedoms in the halls of Congress. In 1997, he supported a constitutional amendment (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Education.htm) that would have protected the right to "acknowledge God according to the dictates of conscience" on public property, including the right of children to pray in school.

Taxes and Government Accountability:

- Ron Paul has never (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/about/) "voted to raise taxes, never voted for an unblanced budget, never voted to raise congressional pay, has never taken a government-paid junket, and does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program." He has never voted in favor of wasteful spending and "returns a portion of his congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year." Indeed, he has earned the nickname "Dr. No" in Washington because he refuses to vote for any measure that is not specifically authorized by the U.S. Constitution. Congressman Paul opposes (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul53.html) the unconstitutional Federal Reserve, would take steps to abolish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyT3SBiTbpc) the I.R.S., and favors returning America to a sound currency standard. "Tax relief is important," the Congressman tells us (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul347.html), "but members of Congress need to back up tax cuts with spending cuts Ė and they need to vote NO on every wasteful appropriations bill until we start over with the federal budget. True fiscal conservatism combines both low taxes and low spending."

American Sovereignty:

- Congressman Paul opposes all attempts to override American sovereignty, including the idea of forming a North American Union (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ccxQRaLIOM&mode=related&search=) by joining the United States, Mexico and Canada under a common government and currency. He supports securing our borders (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZsBiZYocg) against the current tide of illegal immigrants, particularly by denying illegal aliens access to welfare, and stands against attempts to grant amnesty (http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/06/press_release_n.html) to illegals currently in the United States. In 2003, he authored the American Sovereignty Restoration Act (http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/06/press_release_n.html), which would have removed the United States from the United Nations and protected Americans against attempts to bring this country under international control (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bof3qv6WxkU). Commenting on the globalist threat (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul399.html), Congressman Paul states: "Perhaps the most seriously damaged victim of this approach is our own constitutional republic, because globalism undermines both the republican and democratic traditions of this nation. Not only does it make a mockery of the self-rule upon which our republic is based, it also erodes the very institutions of our republic and replaces them with international institutions that are often incompatible with our way of life."

Freedom and Privacy:

- "It is incumbent on a great nation to remain confident, if it wishes to remain free," writes Congressman Paul (http://antiwar.com/paul/). "We need not be ignorant of real threats to our safety, against which we must remain vigilant. We need only to banish to the ash heap of history the notion that we ought to be ruled by our fears and those who use them to enhance their own power." Congressman Paul has been outspoken in his opposition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6se9_wCZ2z0) to such recent federal measures as the Patriot Act and the REAL ID Act, on the basis that they are unconstitutional and unnecessary usurpations of our liberties. He argues that they actually make us less safe because they remove the protections our Founding Fathers provided in order to guard us from tyranny, and detract from efforts to identify and neutralize true terrorists. He believes that freedom is the best security, that the Constitution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bof3qv6WxkU) should be our guideline in both foreign and domestic affairs, and that no one, including the President of the United States, should be above the law. To that end, he would end illegal wire-taping and other domestic spying programs and re-instate the rule of law (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbk3hDXxCpA). "Most governments, including our own, tend to do what they can get away with rather than what the law allows them to do," he writes (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul265.html). "All governments seek to increase their power over the people they govern, whether we want to recognize it or not. The Patriot Act is a vivid example of this. Constitutions and laws donít keep government power in check; only a vigilant populace can do that."

War and the Terrorist Threat:

- Congressman Paul strongly believes that our military should be used only to defend our national interests, not to enforce U.N. policy or to engage in nation-building campaigns. Ron Paul voted against the Iraq war on the basis that Iraq was not a threat to us and had nothing to do with the events of September 11, 2001. He believed that, in attacking Iraq for the purpose of enforcing U.N. resolutions, we were deviating from the historical Christian concept (http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr100802.htm) that the only just war is a defensive war, and that we should have concentrated on tracking down those who were directly responsible for 9-11. He maintains, in conjunction with government findings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAt6Pf7jZjA) such as those of the 9-11 Commission, that our current interventionist foreign policy was largely responsible for provoking the 9-11 attacks, and that our on-going occupation of Iraq is intensifying anti-U.S. sentiment (http://www.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUSL1053774820070210) across the globe and endangering our national security more than ever. Congressman Paul also has concerns regarding how the Iraq war is affecting Christians (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul312.html) in Iraq: "The sad fact is that even under the despicable rule of Saddam Hussein, Christians were safer in Iraq than they are today. Saddam Husseinís foreign minister was a practicing Christian. Today thousands of Christians have fled Iraq following our occupation...many Muslims see all that we do as a reflection of Western Christianity, which to them includes Europe and America. They see everything in terms of religion. When our bombs and sanctions kill hundreds of thousands of their citizens, they see it as an attack on their religion by Christians."

In response to criticism of his foreign policy ideals, including charges of "isolationism", Congressman Paul recently stated (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul413.html): "A Paul administration would see Americans engaged overseas like never before, in business and cultural activities. But a Paul administration would never attempt to export democracy or other values at the barrel of a gun, as we have seen over and over again that this is a counterproductive approach that actually leads the United States to be resented and more isolated in the world." Ron Paul believes that it is time to bring our troops home (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul398.html). Saddam Hussein is gone, Iraq has a new government that is capable of taking over and maintaining order, al Qaeda is using our presence on Muslim soil as a recruiting tool, and U.S. government posturing is threatening to renew and expand conflict in the region. It is also interesting to note that, to date, Congressman Paul has received a greater percentage of campaign contributions from active-duty military (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5223477.html) than any other presidential contender, Republican or Democrat. Clearly, a large portion of our men and women in uniform agree with his foreign policy stance. See the following link for an in-depth debate of the U.S. foreign policy issue: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul406.html

Fellow Christians, our government is out of control. It has taken on a mind and will of its own, far different from that which our Founders intended. Our highest elected officials no longer recognize the supreme authority of the Constitution that each of them swore to uphold upon entering office. As far as they are concerned, they are the law. The liberties with which we have been so blessed are being taken from us at an accelerated rate. Bureaucrats and judges are becoming more intrusive in the way we raise and educate our children. Some would even like to take away our ability to speak freely, particularly where biblical teachings offend certain special interest groups.

If America is to remain "the land of the free", if we are to honor the sacrifices of our patriotic forebearers, if we are to preserve the country and ideals that we love for future generations, we must remind our elected representatives that they are servants, not masters. We must re-instate the rule of law and respect for the limited, constitutional government that our Founders gave us. While being ever ready to act in our own defense, we must endeavor to live in peace with the nations of the world, holding forth our ideals, not by force, but by example as that "shining city on a hill" that President Ronald Reagan once challenged us to envision.

As Election 2008 heats up, only one man running for the White House has the courage, the principles, and the proven track-record to return this country to constitutionalism, freedom, and the Christian values of liberty, integrity, and the rule of law. His name is Ron Paul, and I urge you to carefully, prayerfully consider giving him your full support.


Robert Hawes is the author of One Nation, Indivisible, A Study of Secession and the Constitution (http://www.amazon.com/Nation-Indivisible-Study-Secession-Constitution/dp/1596820918/sr=1-1/qid=1163015440/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3017903-0707918?ie=UTF8&s=books). His articles are achived at http://jeffersonian73.blogspot.com. He lives in South Carolina with his family.

Zibblu
12-31-2007, 10:40 AM
Great stuff. I do think that a lot of Paul's positions would actually really appeal to Christian voters if they would take a look at him seriously. The great thing of course is if that group can be mobilized and added to the groups already supporting Paul, that could be really huge. I'm hoping that Huckabee fades and drops out at some point and his followers go to Paul.

Mark
12-31-2007, 05:41 PM
Here's a page I've started to work on that's being circulated - I'll add more - it's still new I'll add the PDF asap:

http://ronpaul.cc/video/ronpaul/Chuck_Baldwin_Ron_Paul.htm

It includes:

Video:

1. Pastor Chuck Baldwin's official endorsement.

2. The Pastors Forum in Iowa held this last October,
Chuck introduces Ron, and then Ron gives a great presentation,
followed by Chuck again.

Audio:

1. Chuck's interview with Ron in August that can be either
listened to or saved as a download.

Written:

1. Ron's "official "Statement of Faith".

2. The Dec 27th press release concerning his
"Sanctity of Life" Bill.