This is where I close my eyes and pretend the world isn't there.

[Nanerbeet]

After todays comments about how fascism will be delivered to us in a trojan package, dressed up in a flag, carrying cross and pandering to the people, I am left with choice but to turn off the intertubes, close my eyes and turn away.


I am very saddened by my decision, but I would rather bury my head in the sand than risk losing the love of my life. I can't allow politics, Fox News, and media pundits like Sean Hannity to create turmoil in our marriage and in our lives.


Todays comments didn't go over so well; I felt a fracture in our relationship like a broken bone when Paul delivered that uppercut which left me blindsided. My intelligent, beautiful, loving and caring wife equated those comments with Romneys direct attack on Mormons; that they are as anti-american as any anti-war activist who says the terrorists are freedom fighters. Those words, in her misguided interpretation of them, demonstrate his true colors.


Its not her fault; She just doesn't understand the context of his meaning; she doesn't understand that what Ron Paul said, in plain english, is "Those who would enter our homes and do us harm would present themselves as a friend; someone we can trust, by enthusiastically selling themselves and associating with the same principles that define us."


I place the blame directly on Fox news. They casually tossed a loaded question at Paul which bounced off and blew up in their faces, but unfortunately, it also blew up in the faces of honest God fearing, God loving conservatives who just don't get it. They don't see the MSM for who they are. They don't see through the deceptions. They don't associate their actions as being subversive, sinister. They only see what is on the surface; the surface which Ron Paul appeared to say, "Patriotic Christians are Fascists."


I am very hopeful for Ron Paul, for all of us, and I think he can win, and I also know that even if he doesn't get the nomination, it won't stop this movement. I feel everything has been set in motion, the sparkes have ignited the flames, this is the next great movement since the civil rights movement. We will reject facism. We will reject communism. We reject socialism. We will reject ALL forms of tyranny. We will have our freedom. That this is the greatest and freest nation on Earth. l will just have to hear about it after the fact and not try to be a part of it. I would rather be hand-cuffed in a prison, locked away in a torture cell, and dead and buried than to have these hard feelings between us.



I am very very saddened as I write this; and I am telling you only becase I needed to tell it to someone who would understand. I hope you understand. And I wish everyone the very best.


Go Ron Paul!! Go!

[Ron Paul Fan]

Just to be clear, this isn't another suicide note is it?

[r3volution]

you need to set your woman strait , or you need a divorce ..

[european]

good luck with your mariage :)
and vote for ron paul when the time is there :)

[jenninlouisiana]

Show her the youtube video. Geesh.

[Dave Pedersen]

Paul quoted C.S. Lewis. A very well known Christian author.

Keep your eyes open. We need you. And just maybe you and yours need us as well..

[rfbz]

My mother is a Christian conservative type, the one you'd think would be charmed by Huckabee. I asked her what she thought about Ron Paul's comment and she didn't think it was bad at all. She thinks he's somewhat of a fraud and insincere about his message. I think a lot of Christian conservatives believe this, they do not want Huckabee to win the primaries. Ron Paul's comment really wasn't that out of sync with what people are thinking about Huckabee.

There's nothing wrong with being patriotic and Christian. But Huckabee takes it to another level entirely and it's turning off a lot of people.

[slantedview]

ah that sucks. maybe she'll come around.

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

After todays comments about how fascism will be delivered to us in a trojan package, dressed up in a flag, carrying cross and pandering to the people, I am left with choice but to turn off the intertubes, close my eyes and turn away.


I am very saddened by my decision, but I would rather bury my head in the sand than risk losing the love of my life. I can't allow politics, Fox News, and media pundits like Sean Hannity to create turmoil in our marriage and in our lives.


Todays comments didn't go over so well; I felt a fracture in our relationship like a broken bone when Paul delivered that uppercut which left me blindsided. My intelligent, beautiful, loving and caring wife equated those comments with Romneys direct attack on Mormons; that they are as anti-american as any anti-war activist who says the terrorists are freedom fighters. Those words, in her misguided interpretation of them, demonstrate his true colors.


Its not her fault; She just doesn't understand the context of his meaning; she doesn't understand that what Ron Paul said, in plain english, is "Those who would enter our homes and do us harm would present themselves as a friend; someone we can trust, by enthusiastically selling themselves and associating with the same principles that define us."


I place the blame directly on Fox news. They casually tossed a loaded question at Paul which bounced off and blew up in their faces, but unfortunately, it also blew up in the faces of honest God fearing, God loving conservatives who just don't get it. They don't see the MSM for who they are. They don't see through the deceptions. They don't associate their actions as being subversive, sinister. They only see what is on the surface; the surface which Ron Paul appeared to say, "Patriotic Christians are Fascists."


I am very hopeful for Ron Paul, for all of us, and I think he can win, and I also know that even if he doesn't get the nomination, it won't stop this movement. I feel everything has been set in motion, the sparkes have ignited the flames, this is the next great movement since the civil rights movement. We will reject facism. We will reject communism. We reject socialism. We will reject ALL forms of tyranny. We will have our freedom. That this is the greatest and freest nation on Earth. l will just have to hear about it after the fact and not try to be a part of it. I would rather be hand-cuffed in a prison, locked away in a torture cell, and dead and buried than to have these hard feelings between us.



I am very very saddened as I write this; and I am telling you only becase I needed to tell it to someone who would understand. I hope you understand. And I wish everyone the very best.


Go Ron Paul!! Go!

Overreacting much?

[DealzOnWheelz]

I'm sorry your wife feels that way.


But go back and re watch the video after he said the quote he said

he essentially said that may not be mike huckaby but what he was saying is that you shouldn't be pandering with your god.

You shouldn't use your religious believes to garner support

By Mike Huckabee saying this is the season to remember christ blah blah is pandering

Just because you believe in Christ doesn't mean your the best man for the job

[hawkeyenick]

huckabee wants us to give up freedom for security, both reagan and the founders warned us of this.

[john_anderson_ii]

Maybe you should have her read Sinclair's work, or perhaps talk to her about it.

[Mr. White]

I frankly don't give a damn how misguided and ignorant your intelligent wife is. I empathize, but as your post must be therapeutic for you, so is this for me.

[crusader]

you need to set your woman strait , or you need a divorce ..

+1

Sounds like you are already "in a prison, locked away in a torture cell, and dead and buried[.]"

I'd rather live with someone who actually understands whats important in this world, than just live with someone because they fill some physical nitch you require.

Good luck in your prison.

[michaelwise]

Some people really need to toughen up and stop being so namby pamby. Some rules need to be thrown out the window if we are going to win this thing. I say dam the torpedo's, lets fire some of our own.

[Paulitical Correctness]

I'd so get a divorce.

:rolleyes:

[Nyte]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Just have her read this wiki entry on Fascism:

[daikonv]

you should ask your wife what she thinks the comment meant and then explain to her what the quote actually means. dr. paul felt concern with the fact that people today are wrapping themselves in the flag and calling themselves patriots while at the same time leading this country to turmoil. anyone who questions this is seen as unpatriotic. that's the meaning of the first half of the quote. he also finds concern that politicians this primary season feel the need to carry the cross higher than the others when that shouldn't matter in politics. who's more christian than the other, who has a stronger faith in God, shouldn't be given the spotlight when trying to address this nation's issues. the fact that huckabee's ad reminded dr. paul of the quote relating to fascism coming wrapped in a flag carrying a cross should be a positive thing. because the direction people have been going is reflected greatly in that quote. I don't want to feel like I'm not patriotic or christian enough because of my political views, and neither should you.

[ZenX]

Paul quoted C.S. Lewis. A very well known Christian author.

Keep your eyes open. We need you. And just maybe you and yours need us as well..

It was actually Sinclair Lewis. The problem with the OP is that they are taking Paul's statement as literal.

To the OP:

As someone who has studied rhetoric and metaphor, you have to understand WHY he said what he did, what the attributed quote's contexts were, and the context of Paul's utterance, not the snippet the media loves to attack. If you aren't able to do so, or critically think and decide these things, then yes, politics is probably too much of an endeavor for you or your wife.

[JeffersonThomas]

Whoa! There is so much misinformation here it's ridiculous. I'll start from the top and I'll probably miss a few things:

1. "wife equated those comments with Romneys direct attack on Mormons"...Romney IS a mormon! i don't believe he attacked his own faith after he's been trying to defend it for so long.
2. "Paul quoted C.S. Lewis. A very well known Christian author" ...he quoted SINCLAIR Lewis, not Clive S Lewis (CS Lewis). They are two VERY different people.

[uncloned21]

Paul quoted C.S. Lewis. A very well known Christian author.

Keep your eyes open. We need you. And just maybe you and yours need us as well..

NOT THE SAME AS SINCLAIR LEWIS =/= Clive Staple Lewis

[garrettwombat]

if your marriage is at stake because of ron paul that is very sad on the part of your marriage

[Nihilist23]

Overreacting much?

+1

Drama is rampant on the internets.

[rollingpig]

blimp her, period

[webaform]

yeah, those patriots at Valley Forge had it easy!

[Joe3113]

First of, he said it tongue-in-cheek

Second, things like the patriot act, millitary commissions act etc......ARE steps towards fascism

what Ron said is completely justified

[Dave Pedersen]

ok i'm a dope. pardons

[skeet]

The question was... ...what do you think... ...of using a cross for political purposes... RP's answer was to that... The questioner made the leap that RP called Huck a fascist and defended him... A non issue. You are right in that it will be (has been) spun as an attack on Huck.
I think you are right to focus on your relationship, if a 72 year old man from Texas can can recite a quote on TV and cause a "fracture" in your relationship then yes it is time for a come to Jesus meeting in your home.
Good Luck my friend, I wish you and your love well. I hope it works out.

[steelhawk]

That was a horrid interview...

I have to say I was also shocked when he said that. I agree with what he says, but sometimes it's best to left things unsaid (at least from a political survivability point of view)

He did what will seem to be an attack on an innocent preacher in a red sweater wishing people happy holidays and God bless them. Then again, in reality he really didn't attack him (Huck) at all, he just quoted a quote. It was more of the Fox News guy rewording what he said.

[Freedom]

Our founding fathers risked "their Lives, their Fortunes, and their sacred Honor" (see Declaration of Independence) to found this great country. Don't give up your liberty for a fussing spouse. Stand your ground and gently advance your cause. Show your spouse that you are doing what you feel is best for the both of you. Benjamin Franklin once said, "Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither." I hope you make the wise choice!

[Lucid American]

Sinclair Lewis, not CS Lewis.

Paul said nothing that was not truth. The nature of the quote was that patriotism and religion are the two most basic emotional drivers of leadership.

Here are some other quotes from former FDR VP Henry Wallace:
"The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power. . . .

"The symptoms of fascist thinking are colored by environment and adapted to immediate circumstances. But always and everywhere they can be identified by their appeal to prejudice and by the desire to play upon the fears and vanities of different groups in order to gain power."

http://skeptically.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/hitler-in-church.jpg.w300h433.jpg

http://www.theocracywatch.org/bush_halo3.jpg

[Paulitical Correctness]

This is why women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

(Only kidding)

[Fyretrohl]

Sorry, my family comes before the Revolution. That being said, I can understand it. My wife and I disagree over Ron Paul as well. She tolerates me so far. :)

But, she just thinks he is out there on some of the important issues to her. Does not mean I love her less. And, if my marriage was standing on it, I too would walk away from the public side of this and go to giving my vote.

[emilysdad]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071218/media_nm/mediaownership_fcc_dc

What does she think about this?

[disciple]

Read her this original Jesus'quote:


"Yea, and I say unto you verily, that there is no worse thing here upon earth than this, that a man cover himself with profession and garb of religion to cover his wickedness."

Jesus of Nazareth

[Fyretrohl]

Someones post above leads me back to my thought. RP was not firing at Huckabee. He was firing at the media. They are the most obvious fascists, by the definitions I have seen. And, they are the long STANDING ones. Huck and the others are young, by that standard.

[NorCalQuest]

Huckafuck is trying to act like it is God that endorses HIM....like he is the only candidate who is in good with God. I think it is cleary a sinister tactic to use God for political gains. I don't see what is so obectionable about what Ron said....he is simply trying to keep the race honest. There is no place to using the name of God to further one's greedy ambitions.

Hey Huck: If you think Jesus is too smart to enter politics then stop trying to make him a part of your candidacy.

[rooteroa]

Paul quoted C.S. Lewis. A very well known Christian author.

Keep your eyes open. We need you. And just maybe you and yours need us as well..

No, he quoted Sinclair Lewis, a well known Atheist author.

[JeffersonThomas]

lol! picture of hitler + cross= priceless...now if only we have one just like it for Huckabee that we can put side by side

[Lucid American]

Sorry, my family comes before the Revolution. That being said, I can understand it. My wife and I disagree over Ron Paul as well. She tolerates me so far. :)

But, she just thinks he is out there on some of the important issues to her. Does not mean I love her less. And, if my marriage was standing on it, I too would walk away from the public side of this and go to giving my vote.

I'm in the same situation. My wife doesn't get it and just doesn't think he stands a chance.

[JoeySweets]

Just to be clear, this isn't another suicide note is it?

lol,, of course YOUUUU would debunke that in a Second,, we all know to listen to whatever you think since you've got the authority on these issues.

;);):)

but I don't think I got the meaning of the message either,,

are divorcing your wife or something??

[Paulitical Correctness]

Well the way I see it, there's only one thing a woman can give me that Ron Paul can't. And this is why God gave us hands.

Can your hand give you liberty, freedom, and prosperity?

Choice is obvious, friend.

[tmg19103]

There are Evangelicals out there who don't really like or trust Huck, but they see him as the lesser of the evils considering the choices and their strong religious faith.

Your wife is entitled to her opinion and you have to live with her.

That being said, I feel, and I think many people feel, that RP was right on with what he said about that snake oil salesman Huck. He is using religion as a reason to support him, and that IS a form of fascism.

There IS a separation of church and state in this country. It is one thing for a candidate to explain what his/her religious beliefs are - it is another to USE religion as your PLATFORM to get elected in a country that explicitly separates religion and government.

To make it EVEN worse, Huck is promoting a singular Christian view - which is an insult to those who hold other religious views or don't even hold religious views. If anything, Huck should be talking about his spirituality and not making specific references to Christ as our savior in campaign ads.

With all due respect to the Christianity, what Huck is doing is sick, demented, anti-American AND fascist behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

[m72mc]

show her this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5057555023195472231

[OferNave]

Paul quoted C.S. Lewis. A very well known Christian author.

Keep your eyes open. We need you. And just maybe you and yours need us as well..

I don't know where this keeps coming from. Paul said it was Sinclair Lewis.

[firebirdnation]

My wife and I were always miles apart when it came to politics, but Ron Paul has changed that. I never thought my wife and I would agree on the same candidate (she was liberal and I am conservative). Ron Paul really does bring people together!

[bbachtung]

Just have her read Ron Paul's Statement of Faith:



Statement of Faith

By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.

The Covenant News ~ July 21, 2007

We live in times of great uncertainty when men of faith must stand up for our values and our traditions lest they be washed away in a sea of fear and relativism. As you likely know, I am running for President of the United States, and I am asking for your support.

I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.

I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.” Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn.

I have also acted to protect the lives of Americans by my adherence to the doctrine of “just war.” This doctrine, as articulated by Augustine, suggested that war must only be waged as a last resort--- for a discernible moral and public good, with the right intentions, vetted through established legal authorities (a constitutionally required declaration of the Congress), and with a likely probability of success.

It has been and remains my firm belief that the current United Nations-mandated, no-win police action in Iraq fails to meet the high moral threshold required to wage just war. That is why I have offered moral and practical opposition to the invasion, occupation and social engineering police exercise now underway in Iraq. It is my belief, borne out by five years of abject failure and tens of thousands of lost lives, that the Iraq operation has been a dangerous diversion from the rightful and appropriate focus of our efforts to bring to justice to the jihadists that have attacked us and seek still to undermine our nation, our values, and our way of life.

I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression, However, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan. I also authored H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. A letter of marque and reprisal is a constitutional tool specifically designed to give the president the authority to respond with appropriate force to those non-state actors who wage aggression against the United States while limiting his authority to only those responsible for the atrocities of that day. Such a limited authorization is consistent with the doctrine of just war and the practical aim of keeping Americans safe while minimizing the costs in blood and treasure of waging such an operation.

On September 17, 2001, I stated on the house floor that “…striking out at six or eight or even ten different countries could well expand this war of which we wanted no part. Without defining the enemy there is no way to know our precise goal or to know when the war is over. Inadvertently more casual acceptance of civilian deaths as part of this war I'm certain will prolong the agony and increase the chances of even more American casualties. We must guard against this if at all possible.” I’m sorry to say that history has proven this to be true.

I am running for president to restore the rule of law and to stand up for our divinely inspired Constitution. I have never voted for legislation that is not specifically authorized by the Constitution. As president, I will never sign a piece of legislation, nor use the power of the executive, in a manner inconsistent with the limitations that the founders envisioned.

Many have given up on America as an exemplar for the world, as a model of freedom, self-government, and self-control. I have not. There is hope for America. I ask you to join me, and to be a part of it.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=916

[freelance]

I frankly don't give a damn how misguided and ignorant your intelligent wife is. I empathize, but as your post must be therapeutic for you, so is this for me.

LOL!

[adwads]

You can't have a relationship with somebody if they disagree with you politically? What's wrong with you and your wife!? You guys are f*cked up. I have lots of friends who disagree with me on a lot of issues and we're still cool.

[fedup100]

My thoughts are the Christians went to the polls in droves and voted for a man they thought was a Christian, he wasn't. His name is George Bush and he has done the most damage a President has ever done to this Country and did so in their name.

Now we have another candidate coming forward and he is wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross......you better take a closer look American Christians, this time look at their fruits, you shall know them by their fruits.

Thank God we have an honest statesman that has the guts to tell the people the truth.

[Nanerbeet]

Read her this original Jesus'quote:


"Yea, and I say unto you verily, that there is no worse thing here upon earth than this, that a man cover himself with profession and garb of religion to cover his wickedness."

Jesus of Nazareth



Thank you SO MUCH I truely hope this is real because this is exactly what she needs to hear.

[Paulitical Correctness]

I personally say a Buddhist president would be awesome.

[allyinoh]

Let me rephrase.

I am a Christian and I found nothing wrong with what he said. Your wife needs to do some digging and understand what he meant. It's really not that hard to understand if you just try first and not judge.

[jaybone]

How many wives wept as their patriot husbands left for war knowing they would never return?

We may not be loading muskets, but we are all part of a bona fide revolution.
A revolution of thought, heart and action.
I'm sorry to lose you, I hope you will reconsider.

If I had to leave this movement to appease another, I would resent them and regret that choice every day.

[bbachtung]

Huckabee is someone who wears his faith on his sleeve in an attempt to gain popularity, power, and respect. What he does -- by engaging in very public and sanctimonious prayer -- is violate Matthew 6:5 - 6:6:



And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

[xtravar]

While I do sympathize, it makes me wonder how such a thing could happen.

I call my girlfriend a "socialist totalitarian who hates freedom" all the time just because she's a Democrat. We have good fun with it.

[udecker]

"Honey, I can no longer tolerate you being such an avid supporter of a man who says things that I simply will not take the time to understand. If you keep helping him win, then this marriage is over because I will not let you take this veil of stupidity off of my head and make me actually see what this world is about."

So - I take it your wife's.... not so bright?

[Mortikhi]

Yeh, so what? She was probably going to vote Obama since Oprah said to.

[Matthew Zak]

Whipped. How can you expect someone who doesn't appreciate freedom to fight for it? I'm sorry, maybe that was cheap of me to say that, so I feel bad if it was an unfair comment on my part. But I'm almost insulted. No one here hasn't lost a loved one in some way or another.

[disciple]

Thank you SO MUCH I truely hope this is real because this is exactly what she needs to hear.


That's quotation is so real that I am willing to bet my life on it.

[LibertyForAll]

I'm a Christian and one of the things that appeals to me abut Ron Paul is that he is not running on a faith-based platform, rather he is running on real issues. Christians value integrity, honesty, consistency, and courage. Ron Paul has all of these qualities. And he is a Christian, but doesn't wrap himself in it politically. The highest of moral caliber. Truly a Gold Standard.

[deedles]

Good grief. Can we get a separate topic section for bummed out people that are leaving the forum for whatever reason?

Jeez.

If anyone is leaving for whatever reason, can they please just do that so this doesn't turn into some "Dear John" grassroots forum?" You burn up people's energy with this crap.

[purepaloma]

Yes, just remind people that he quoted CS Lewis - A HIGHLY RESPECTED & KNOWN CHRISTIAN AUTHOR !!!! ----- (Even wrote the Book Chronicles of Narnia)

[Paulitical Correctness]

^ Wtf?

[MS0453]

Yes, just remind people that he quoted CS Lewis - A HIGHLY RESPECTED & KNOWN CHRISTIAN AUTHOR !!!! ----- (Even wrote the Book Chronicles of Narnia)

Sinclair, not C.S.


Besides, dude (OP) you don't even have 20 posts. What did you do, purposely register to say that you're leaving the campaign? I don't mean to be harsh, but it's not like anyone would have noticed that you were missing, had you stopped posting. What was your reasoning behind the thread?

[Mortikhi]

Sinclair, not C.S.


Besides, dude (OP) you don't even have 20 posts. What did you do, purposely register to say that you're leaving the campaign? I don't mean to be harsh, but it's not like anyone would have noticed that you were missing, had you stopped posting. What was your reasoning behind the thread?
Theres been alot of this type of junk in the past two days.

Its the trolls coming to dinner. They want to waste our time with this crap and it looks like it is working.

To all trolls: Go die.

[ClockwiseSpark]

I personally say a Buddhist president would be awesome.

http://buddhistchannel.tv/picture/upload/seagal1.jpg

[jjschless]

...Blah blah blah...



George Bush has stated many times that he gets his guidance from Jesus and/or God.

How many times in history was religion used as an excuse to aggress another people? Indeed why did people leave Europe in the first place and found this country?

Is not religion the a factor behind the small group of radical Muslim individuals and and corresponding jihad?

The Crusades?




So I'm left to believe either that your intelligent wife is woefully ignorant of the history of this planet and its' people or that your handing us a line of bullshit.

[jd603]

Troll!



TROLL WORDS HERE

[rasheedwallace]

he definitely messed up by saying that as it can be interpreted wrong, but geez, just explain it to her.

[disciple]

Always give people the merit of the down untill they prove otherwise. Let's not call people trolls and jump to conclusions.

[driller80545]

Do you two have to back the same candidate? Why?

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

Huckabee inspired my sig

[user]

I was surprised by the comment, but of course it's totally warranted.

[ClockwiseSpark]

Then Almitra spoke again and said, "And what of Marriage, master?"

And he answered saying:

You were born together, and together you shall be forevermore.

You shall be together when white wings of death scatter your days.

Aye, you shall be together even in the silent memory of God.

But let there be spaces in your togetherness,

And let the winds of the heavens dance between you.

Love one another but make not a bond of love:

Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.

Fill each other's cup but drink not from one cup.

Give one another of your bread but eat not from the same loaf.

Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone,

Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music.

Give your hearts, but not into each other's keeping.

For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts.

And stand together, yet not too near together:

For the pillars of the temple stand apart,

And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other's shadow.

THE PROPHET - Kahlil Gibran

[hasan]

Then Almitra spoke again and said, "And what of Marriage, master?"

And he answered saying:

You were born together, and together you shall be forevermore.

You shall be together when white wings of death scatter your days.

Aye, you shall be together even in the silent memory of God.

But let there be spaces in your togetherness,

And let the winds of the heavens dance between you.

Love one another but make not a bond of love:

Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.

Fill each other's cup but drink not from one cup.

Give one another of your bread but eat not from the same loaf.

Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone,

Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music.

Give your hearts, but not into each other's keeping.

For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts.

And stand together, yet not too near together:

For the pillars of the temple stand apart,

And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other's shadow.

THE PROPHET - Kahlil Gibran

Thats a beautiful poem

[sluggo]

You can still donate money and vote even if your wife is PO'd.

[Tedhunter]

I've had similar issues with my girlfriend, who is very intelligent and worldly. However, I know that these are very big ideologies, and that her and I fundamentally agree on what's important: being kind and generous, making sure people are educated and prosperous, and promoting peace. We differ on our ideas of how to achieve those things, but those ideas and opinions can change - core values tend to stay constant.

Guys, if you ever have issues with someone you care about over this movement, try to find common ground in which you identify the humanity in the other person. You will likely find that we all value similar things, so there's no need to fight or feel isolated from one another.