How to convert Evangelicals ?

[gb13]

My girlfriend's sister is an evangelical, she attends Liberty University, and (big surprise) is a Huckabee supporter.

How can i convert her. What are some good talking points to display that Christians should vote for Ron Paul?

I know that there was a thread dedicated to this a while ago, but I can't find it.

This is important, because she is a college student, so is her boyfriend, and they both attend Liberty. If I can get the to bring Ron's message to campus, it may be a good victory for us.

We need not forget how powerful the vote of the Christian Right is - Like 'em or not.

(Don't get me wrong, I love the girl, she's just vastly misinformed.)

Links, threads, whatever... Just help me.

[Liberty Star]

By preaching the US Constitution to them, the best gospel of human liberty and freedom ever written.

[burningfur]

search the forum for "7 reasons Christians" or just "7 reasons". There's an excellent flyer for you.

[paulie]

The name of that University is the ultimate in irony. I sure hope Jerry is enjoying his stay in that nice warm climate.

[micahnelson]

http://www.micahnelson.com/?p=140

Show her this article. Any good conservative Christian should be concerned with a global government.

[PledgeForPaul]

she probably likes ann coulter - ann coulter has blasted huckabee

[ndega360]

Explain that the Federal Reserve represents enslavement and contradicts Christian values. A country's most treasured values are represented in how its government operates toward the people. Tell her that actions speak louder than words, and what Ron Paul wants glorifies Christian conservative values far more than Huckabee's pandering.

[burningfur]

The name of that University is the ultimate in irony. I sure hope Jerry is enjoying his stay in that nice warm climate.

He knew where he was going. Gonna have to disagree with you. :p

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ChristiansforRonPaul.com is another very good site, though the flyer in my humble oppion is the best.

[Adamsa]

Take a look at some of Chuck Baldwin's points for supporting Paul.

[pacelli]

I don't know if it would be helpful to have the mindset of converting her. I think the videos on youtube, if you can get her to sit through them, are very effective.

[gb13]

Thanks.

I've tried some of those things, but you guys gave me some more good ammo.

[Jackinbox]

I think you need to know her reasons to support Huckabee. How much pressure she gets from others people? Does everyone surrounding her support Huckabee? I believe that there is a lot of group-thinking happening in the Evangelical movement. You might have to convince her that she can think by herself and make her own choices.

[Heather in WI]

I would love to ....
:-0

First, here's my anti-Huckabee pitch:

The False Conservative:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501547_pf.html

Who is Mike Huckabee?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010782

Who’s biggest tax raiser?
http://www.arkansasleader.com/2007/11/editorialswhos-biggest-tax-raiser.html


Huckabee Tries to Gloss Over Ark. Record
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8T6P2980&show_article=1

[Heather in WI]

And, here's my pro-Dr. Paul pitch:

I am a Baptist, stay at home, homeschooling mother of three boys. When I was in College Republicans, I worked on the Dole/Kemp campaign here in WI. Since then, I have voted for Bush. Twice. I worked actively on his first campaign at the local level, even though I had a baby in April of 2000. I was so involved in politics that I got completely burned out. As the grassroots level, politics was fun. As I got deeper involved and I saw the hypocrisy ... the pandering .... the dumbing down ... the bumper sticker slogans that got shouted at anyone who questioned *anything* .... I got burned out. Until I heard about Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul has principles, not the party mantra that guide him.

I like Ron Paul because he believes that actions of the branches of federal government should be defined by the Constitution.


"To maintain the ascendancy of the Constitution over the law making majority is the great and essential point on which the success of the system must depend. Unless that ascendancy can be preserved, the necessary consequence must be that the laws will supersede the Constitution; and, finally, the will of the Executive, by the influence of his patronage, will supersede the laws."
~John Calhoun, 1833

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
~Patrick Henry

If it is a power granted to whichever branch, then he supports it if he agrees with the legislation. If the power is not granted to that branch, he believes that it is a right retained by the states or the people and he votes it down. Amazingly, this is what the 10th amendment says!


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

I believe that he tries to make all of his votes and decisions starting at that point ... not whatever the current party line is ... not whatever benefits those who gave him campaign money... not whatever benefits those who will support his program because he will support their program. I think that is such a problem in modern politics -- that most of the people involved are trying to pat each other on the back, stay in power, and keep "the other guys" out of power.

I am pro-life. That is how I vote, first and foremost. Ron Paul authored H.R. 1094 which defined life as beginning at conception. He also was the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v. Wade. He also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for population control. The new infomercial on Youtube --Part One -- is wonderful for laying out Dr. Paul's pro-life position!

Privacy rights and property rights are in my second tier of concerns and reasons that I support Dr. Paul. I have serious problems with many actions that President Bush has taken that I believe undermine our civil rights as citizens of the United States. I could provide quote after quote of the founding founders on this issue, but here are a few:


"There is not a single instance in history in which civil liberty was lost, and religious liberty preserved entire."
~John Witherspoon

"Liberty, the greatest of all earthly blessings — give us that precious jewel, and you may take every things else! Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."
~Patrick Henry

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other."
~President James Madison

Taxes and smaller government are my third tier of concerns. Those two things are tied in my mind. I think government is way too big and way too involved in our lives. There is a quote I really like by Thomas Jefferson, "Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. …The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

I also love his opposition to the UN, NATO, NAFTA, and WHO and all of the other globalistic-initialed entities that undermine American Sovereignty.

Ron Paul is mostly known for his position on the Iraq war. I was not drawn to Ron Paul because of this, but have slowly changed my position on Iraq. Not Afghanistan though ... Like Dr. Paul, I think we were justified going after Bin Laden. It was a long process, not something that clicked overnight. For awhile, I had Reagan ringing in my ears, "The role of the United States military is not for nation building or policing the world." And, finally, it came down to this for me: If you are standing on a playground, and you think the crazy bully is going to hurt you, you aren't justified if you go up to him and deck him first. Simplistic, yes. But, really, it is what we did, right?

Since then, I have read Ron Paul's position on Iraq and foreign policy, and am slowly moving toward his understanding. I recently bought his book, "A Foreign Policy of Freedom" and am reading it to learn more about his thinking there. Interestingly enough, Ron Paul received the highest amount ($62,000) of donations from the military of ALL the presidential candidates. Interesting, to me, to ponder what it means when pro-war in Iraq people say they are supporting our troops. Aren't the Ron Paul people, the guy most of the military is donating to, really supporting the troops by trying to get him elected?

Finally, I support Dr. Paul's monetary policy position. Why is no other candidate talking about this?!?!



"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
President Thomas Jefferson


"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all commerce and industry."
President James A. Garfield

"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation."
President John Adams

"In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. ... This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."
Alan Greenspan

"It is well enough that the people of this nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
Henry Ford

HTH!

[Throwback280s]

Thanks.

I've tried some of those things, but you guys gave me some more good ammo.

This ad should seal the deal.
http://files.meetup.com/509308/christian_general_IA.pdf

[rollingpig]

i dont understand why a lot of Christians are so pro war.. can someone explain it to me?

[gb13]

I think you need to know her reasons to support Huckabee. How much pressure she gets from others people? Does everyone surrounding her support Huckabee? I believe that there is a lot of group-thinking happening in the Evangelical movement. You might have to convince her that she can think by herself and make her own choices.

Well, I've turned my family, my girlfriend, and many friends in Boston and Santa Barbara on to RP. My girlfriend's sister is surrounded by many Liberty friends who support Huck. I'll try that individualistic approach. Good Idea.

Interestingly, I have had the hardest time with my uncle (used to work for Lehman Bros, was a very high-profile investment banker, now retired, involved in politics, Bush supporter on '00 and '04, has attended every presidential inaugural ceremony since Kennedy, etc), and the few Huck supporters I know.

Think my Uncle is a lost cause? I may be wasting my energy.

[gb13]

Wow! Heather and ThrowBack.... Thanks!

[BillyDkid]

One to remember, you can't reason people out of positions and views they didn't reason themselves into.

[Wayne Hammond]

Bottom line with a lot of born-again Christians is that the Bible prophets warned that in the "end times", there will be a tyrannical, one-world government that will control the entire earth, force people to receive a chip in their hand or forehead (I.D.), or use the number of the beast to buy and sell anything... you know all that I'm sure.

BOTTOM LINE with born-again Christians:

RON PAUL is the ONLY Presidential candidate who is actively fighting against this anti-Christ, anti-Bible, one-world government system.

The other candidates have sold out to the beast, or at least have given up fighting against the beast system.

There's all the ammo you should need.

.

[Jackinbox]

i dont understand why a lot of Christians are so pro war.. can someone explain it to me?

What I think: They believe they are fighting against the evils force of this world. Some Christian movements are more influenced by the Old Testament than the New Testament, hence their strong support for Israel, their extreme stance on homosexuality, etc. The Old Testament is amazingly violent. As an exemple, let take the book of Numbers 31:

[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
[3] And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
[4] Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
...
[9] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
...
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

[StrikerV]

such a great passage from the bible jackinthebox... it all has its context :)

[Suhail Syed]

keep this quote in the back of your mind when talking to an Evangelical:
Racism is an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans as members of groups rather than as individuals... By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist... we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and start thinking in terms of individual liberty...


my advice to you, talk to your Huckabee supporters who are evangelicals and see why they support him... if they support him because everyone around them supports Huckabee, then you can reply "fine, allow others to think for you rather then you take the time to research other candidates"

or if they like Huckabee's stances "on protecting freedom" then ask them "i heard Huckabee wants to ban smoking in America... why would he do that?" or "i heard huckabee supports the patriot act... do you know what the patriot act allows..."

post here replies you get from huckabee supporters

[PledgeForPaul]

Give this to the evangelicals (straight from wikipedia, everything is sourced):

In a December 2003 article entitled "Christmas in Secular America", Paul wrote, "The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life. The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before putting their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war."[105]

In 2005, Paul introduced the We the People Act, which would have removed "any claim involving the laws, regulations, or policies of any State or unit of local government relating to the free exercise or establishment of religion" from the jurisdiction of federal courts.[106] If made law, this provision would permit state, county, and local governments to decide whether to allow displays of religious text and imagery.

Paul has sponsored a Constitutional amendment which would allow students to pray privately in public schools, but would not allow anyone to be forced to pray against their will or allow the state to compose any type of prayer or officially sanction any prayer to be said in schools.

sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Freedom_of_religio n

[covenantgal]

As an evangelical who is friends with evangelicals that are supporting Ron Paul, the best answer I can come up with to help you is to encourage your friend to really think about the current state of things and ask her what she would like to see happen.
Does she want the economy to be in better shape?
Does she want the freedom to make faith-based decisions? (Ron Paul is a homeschool advocate after all)
Does she want the freedom to travel to any country she desires? (Ron Paul wants to open up Cuba!) -- this could also mean areas that would then be free to travel to for mission work.
What are her thoughts on Iraq? This could be where she differs most. If she really thinks it's worth it to stay there, then she won't support Ron Paul. If she thinks pulling out is a good idea, in any remote fashion, question her further.

Also, expose Huckabee for the manipulative politician that he is. Compare his record with Ron Paul's record.

I'm an evangelical. I'm pro-life. I have always tended to be a single issue voter. I voted for Bush twice. I don't want to be pandered to anymore. The good Lord gave me a brain and I intend on using it in 2008.

[JohnM]

Mike Huckabee stands for:

High spending
High taxes
Big government
Big budget deficits

If you are a Christian socialist, Mike Huckabee is your candidate.

[paulgirl]

What I think: They believe they are fighting against the evils force of this world. Some Christian movements are more influenced by the Old Testament than the New Testament, hence their strong support for Israel, their extreme stance on homosexuality, etc. The Old Testament is amazingly violent. As an exemple, let take the book of Numbers 31:

[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
[3] And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
[4] Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
...
[9] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
...
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

This is completely wrong. As discussed in another thread, it doesn't make any difference what "testament" Christians are "influenced" by -- it matters what eschatalogical position they ascribe to. And no one but another Christian is equipped to discuss this with them (and not even most Christians). The sad state is that most Christians, like most Americans, don't have any idea why they believe what they believe. They are just as intellectually handicapped as anyone else in America, but this society does not place much value on intelligent thought.

These quotes are irrelevant and out of context. The Bible, as opposed to the Koran, never commands its followers (Jewish or Christian) to go out and kill all infidels. Christianity is the only religion that developed just war theory.

[bunklocoempire]

Responsibility. Huckabees "message" = more of the same, pay more and more taxes and let the government "help" (poorly I may add) your fellow man. Pauls message: More personal responsibility= more direct control of our time

talents & treasures, which means better to help our fellow man. We decide as individuals who needs our help and directly help them getting the most for our dollar, with Paul we have more of our resources to help them.

Bottom line if you like personal responsibility you like Paul, if you shirk personal responsibilty you like the other candidates.

No candidate (except Paul) is asking you to be responsibile for your own life or gives you more opportuninity to be more directly responsible to your fellow man.

This is as simple as it gets.

Keep trying, good luck.

Bunkloco, a Christian.

[FreeTraveler]

I know... if we throw a Money Bomb in the name of Martin Luther King, all the evangelicals will abandon Huckabee and come flocking to us! :rolleyes:

[Mayflower]

What is more evil than a liar pretending to be "a man of God" Huckabee works with the anti-American pro-atheist group the ACLU. Send her to arkansasfreedom.com and huckabeefacts.org. I hope that will take care of the problem. Huckabee is fooling many people.

[Jackinbox]

This is completely wrong. As discussed in another thread, it doesn't make any difference what "testament" Christians are "influenced" by -- it matters what eschatalogical position they ascribe to. And no one but another Christian is equipped to discuss this with them (and not even most Christians). The sad state is that most Christians, like most Americans, don't have any idea why they believe what they believe. They are just as intellectually handicapped as anyone else in America, but this society does not place much value on intelligent thought.

These quotes are irrelevant and out of context. The Bible, as opposed to the Koran, never commands its followers (Jewish or Christian) to go out and kill all infidels. Christianity is the only religion that developed just war theory.

The point that I'm trying to make is that there is a "Crusade" culture developing in some Christian groups. There is a ideological and theological background to the wars this country is fighting in Middle-East. Religious people, on both sides, define the opponent as "Evil" and this is not just a metaphore, there is a religious conotation to that. I invite you to read this text from James. P. Pinkerton (http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_09_10/cover.html). It's "us", the Christian, against "them", the Muslim. This is a very dangerous idea because it's no longer about spreading values, it's about spreading dogma.

The influence of quotes like the one I used might be low but those quotes are not irrelevant. They help us to understand the long-lasting divisions between nations. Sure, preachers don't use them but those verses are symbolic of the wars going on. They have been written in similar contexts thousand years ago.



The Bible, as opposed to the Koran, never commands its followers (Jewish or Christian) to go out and kill all infidels. Christianity is the only religion that developed just war theory.

Actually, the old testament's God usely keep this job for himself but he also command his fidel to do it once in a while. There is so many example that it's hard to choose. I will go with 1.Samuel 15 because in this pecular case, God isn't happy that Samuel didn't "kill all" the Amalek after he sent him doing his dirty job:

1] Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
[2] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
[3] Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
[4] And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
[5] And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.
[6] And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.
[7] And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.
[8] And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
[9] But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.
[10] Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,
[11] It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.

[ForTheRepublic]

Christians for Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jRO3hptL4U

WHO ARE THESE KOOKS? - Chuck Baldwin
http://newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin420.htm

[raiha]

Books to terrify yourselves with over Christmas:

"American Fascists: the Christian Right and the War on America" Chris Hedges
"Is Religion Killing Us?" Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer

"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what HE means." George Bernard Shaw.

[raiha]

I came across this on a forum written by a Beacon Baptist Pastor: (not the entire post - too long)

" But here come Pat Robertson, Janet Folger, and other leaders of the Religious Wrong. The Religious Wrong opposes Dr. Paul with a passion because, although he personally opposes abortion, drugs and prostitution, he says the federal government has no power to legislate or intrude in those areas, which are properly the jurisdiction of the states. But the Religious Wrong doesn’t care. It demands federal intervention in everything; that is why it now supports Friar Huck, because a President Huckabee would make Hillaroid look like an isolationist. He believes God has ordained him not only to preach, but to force his whims – including a federal ban on smoking – down your craw. Pastor Chuck Baldwin says Friar Huck is “George W. Bush on steroids.”

The Religious Wrong totally ignores the fact that if the Constitution – the law – withholds power to do something from the federal government, then it is illegal for the federal government to do it. If the federal government does it anyway, it becomes a law breaker, which puts it in conflict with the Religious Wrong’s misinterpretation of Romans 13. But the Religious Wrong perversely persists in “improving” the Kingdom, “improving” on God.

Look at the record of the Religious Wrong. In the 1860s, they called themselves Abolitionists. The issue they used as a cloak for their true purpose was slavery; it could have been something else. Their motive was to destroy our republican system, a union of independent states. They provoked Lincoln ’s Communist War to Destroy the Union for the purpose. That war destroyed the system the Founding Fathers bequeathed us and replaced it with an incipient Empire. They tricked us into many more wars.

Among their achievements was Prohibition, which banned alcohol. Prohibition also created the powerful criminal gangs that still plague us. If anything, it increased alcohol consumption, by adding to it the lure of the forbidden. It gave us the War on Drugs, which has created international drug trafficking so lucrative it can subvert whole nations; and drug use has exploded.

The War on Drugs was the original excuse for the Nazi/Communist superstructure the federal government has imposed. All of these effects are the product of the Religious Wrong’s lust to use that government to inflict its perverted version of Christianity, in which “Christianity” becomes the state.

Religious Wrong leaders trumpet totalitarianism. They want all the power to be in one place, so they can use it. They have contempt for our system of government, and its checks and balances. They don’t really believe in the efficacy of state governments, despite the fact that the states of course created the federal government. Ask yourself, isn’t there something the states are supposed to do? Isn’t it the things Dr. Paul says the Constitution gives the federal government no power to govern? If the federal government is supposed to do everything, why do we have states?

You leaders of the Religious Wrong are losers. After many decades of your unethical, illegal intervention, the moral situation in our country is worse than ever. We now suffer from much more and much worse of the things you claim to be against: abortion, drugs, alcohol, sexual perversion, divorce, illegitimacy, immorality and on and on and on. Sucking up to the Presidents in both parties has failed. You have lost even the last shred of credibility. You want everything big, but all you have for your efforts is a big head. You have victimized millions of genuine Christians..." And on and on. He endorses Ron Paul to the hilt.:D

[RONPAULGEORGEANDRINGO]

I've been saying for a long time that Ron Paul needs the evangelical vote. It may not be crucial for him to win, but having them on board would only strengthen our numbers. These people vote!!! Back in July, I wrote campaign headquarters with an idea. Here is a transcript of that email exchange:

On 7/20/07, RONPAULGEORGEANDRINGO wrote:
> Hello,
>
> While watching a CNN story the other night on the
> "Christian vote", I had a great idea that I think
> would be absolutely "viral" in spreading the Ron Paul
> message to the Christian demographic. It's simple,
> cheap, and to-the-point. Here is my idea:
>
> All around the country, every Sunday morning, these
> voting Christians flock to their churches. Just think
> how easy it would be to have Ron Paul supporters
> standing across the street from these churches (on
> public property), holding signs and banners. I would
> suggest a banner or sign that says something like
> this:
>
> RonPaul2008.Com
> Who is Ron Paul?
> He's The Conservative Candidate
> The Media Isn't Telling You About!
> RonPaul2008.Com
>
> If you get enough Christians on board the Ron Paul
> Revolution, I think you could really make this a
> WINNING campaign! The key is getting the Christian
> vote. This idea I have seems simple, but it's a
> great, low-cost way of getting the Ron Paul name out
> there. The Christian demographic is the largest
> voting demographic. They are hard-pressed right now
> to find a candidate they feel comfortable supporting.
> NOW is your chance to seize the opportunity. If you
> could mobilize your supporters and have them do this,
> I really think you could get a HUGE word of mouth buzz
> among Christian voters. Right now, they are being
> force fed the crap the media is shoving down their
> throats. Most of them may have never heard of Ron
> Paul, but I'm confident that Ron Paul's staunch
> conservative record and pro-life stance would be very
> attractive to most Christian voters. This is a great
> way to spread the message, and it doesn't cost very
> much. I'm sure most of your supporters would
> volunteer to stand across the street from a busy
> church on a Sunday morning, holding signs. They could
> even be hand-made if you wanted to do it really
> low-budget. It's a great grass-roots idea that I
> truly believe could be a make-or-break strategy in
> your campaign.
>
> Please feel free to use my idea. I hope you think
> it's a good one! Good luck with the campaign! You
> have my full support.

THEIR RESPONSE:

Hello,

Thanks for your advice and ideas. If you really enjoy what Dr. Paul
has been preaching, then I encourage you to become more involved in
Congressman Ron Paul's campaign:

1. Donate to Ron Paul
https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/

2. Sign up to receive the latest news and information
https://www.ronpaul2008.com/join/

3. Join your local Ron Paul Meetup group
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4. Register to vote
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Thank you,
Michael Cammarata
Volunteer - Ron Paul 2008
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Judging from that non-commital response, I guess they didn't think it was such a good idea... But I still think this would be a great idea for Meetup groups, especially in cities that have mega-churches. I don't know if church-goers would be put off by a sign waving event or not, but it would be worth a shot. We're either going to get their vote, or we won't, so for that reason alone it's worth a shot.

[raiha]

Many of the Christian folk who revere the Confederate Battle Flag (stars and bars) as Heritage Not Hate, already support RP. The whole notion of limited government and state sovereignty as espoused by the Founding Fathers; their hatred of Abraham Lincoln for moving towards centralizing the banks, Whig that he was, and suspending habeus corpus and jailing media folk (wouldn't mind turfing a few of them into jail now, they would try the patience of a saint!) all this leads them to choosing Ron Paul as their guy.

Alabama has him consistently at number one in the straw polls....Couldn't get more Bible belt than Alabama!!
Someone in Florida at a straw poll kept trying to vote Ron Paul on the machine but it kept coming up as Mitt Romney.( huh whats wrong with this machine??)
Some meet-up organizer in Florida was told she would get hurt by a Romney organizer if she was not careful and a whole bunch of RP supporters were banned from entering a straw poll building in Texas. Just look at how many were at the Austin Tea Party/ march.
I'm sorry guys, RP isn't going to lose from lack of people but by shenanigans at rigged polling booths.

[sratiug]

It's all about the money. Ron Paul will throw out the money changers. The bible says it's a sin to charge interest. The federal reserve is stealing the people's money and then charging them interest on top. The people can use this money for church based charities. Challenge churches to reclaim their traditional role of taking care of the poor and the sick/disabled. If the bankers have all the money (they do), good christians have less to help those in need. The money issue is, imo, the biggest in this campaign. Here's a link to youtube videos, explaining the corrupt banking system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-fD78zyvI&feature=related

[iella]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=47829

Something I wrote discussing why Christians should want limited government (and why our current government is not in the best interests of evangelical Christians). I speak as a Christian who grew up in the church, and trust me when I say that Christians like Bible verses to back things up.

[denvervoipguru]

Tell her about Huckabees recent speach to the Council on Foreign Relations.

Then prove to her that CFR's main agenda IS and HAS ALWAYS BEEN globalism.

Then remind her that Globalism is the single biggest threat to our Constitution...the only Constitution in the world that decrees the rights of the people ORDAINED BY GOD.

[wildflower]

Someone earlier mentioned talking about the NWO, because many Christians believe that Revelations prophecies global government, the anti-christ, everyone getting a 'mark' (or chip)... And Ron Paul is against global government, so he should be the choice for all Christians. Mention that Huckabee's advisor is CFR, and many of the other candidates are CFR or globalists.

Oh - also mention that Huckabee lied (or it seems very likely that he lied) about the cross in his ad. I think he said it wasn't intentional, yadda yadda... If he can blatantly lie about the cross what else would he lie about? That should make people concerned about his character and even his authenticity.