libertydave
12-17-2007, 06:59 PM
the act is the most scariest's peice of legislation ever passed in american history. the law legalizes torture, strip's americans of the most special civil liberty in the us constitution and bill of rights, the right to habeus corpus. without habeus corpus our other rights mean nothing. im gona
bring up some of the provisions in the law that our very dangorus for our national security and our way of life. the legislation states that the president can create military tribunals under his authority or under the authority of the secretary of defense (sec.948a.). it clearly states that torture is illegal and that it cannot be used to have someone accuse
themselves of terrorist crimes, EXCEPT, it says, except against a person
accused of torture as evidence that the statement was made. so its legal if your accused of torture. it also states that statements obtained after the detainee treatment act of 2005 in which the degree of coercion is disputed may be ADMITTED only if the military judge finds that the statement is reliable and has sufficient probative value
(sec.948r.).and remember this law states that the president has authority over the commissions. it also states that accusations are
allowed only if the adverse party (lawyers, witnesses) are allowed to overview it and challenge it. however the military judge could keep all
that SECRET from them (sec. 949d.). this legislation says that no
court system outside the military commissions could overview the evidence against you. so if your rights are violated there's no oversight to correct that. if your accused of not supporting your country and aiding the enemy then off to a military commission
(sec.950v). so what we have here is that the government can arrest
you, torture you to convict yourself. classify this from your defense and the public, all for national security. this is what happened in nazi
germany, stalinist russia, saddam's iraq and other despotic regimes.
now to history, in stalin's russia during the great terror the soviet
government imprisioned and murdered millions of their own people
in a way similar to what our government can do under the military commisions act. millions of innocent people who broke no soviet laws
got picked up because of informants and spies who accused them of
false crimes (see wikipedia on stalin). this was known as the great terror. and similar things happened in germany, iraq and most of the world with a history of tyranny. this is what will eventually take place
if we dont have habeus corpus and the rule of law. see the milgram experiments and the standford prison experiment to understand more reasons to oppose this law. theres people saying cant happen here,
well there wrong, if you dont learn from history your doomed to repeat it. america has a history of repression. for example the deportations and extermination of native americans. the kidnapping
and slavery of hundreeds of thosands of blacks. abraham lincoln arresting his oppostion and becoming dictator (read the real lincoln by
thomas delerenzo), wilson during ww1 fining and jailing his critics. FDR
arresting japanese, italian, german americans and so on. theres all
kinds of bad things are government has done including current things.
when our government starts going after the wrong people during times of crises which our history shows, then it will make it easier for
extremists to attack us and make things worse for us. our government needs fast tools to fight anyone thats a threat, but within
THE LAW!!!!!!!!
bring up some of the provisions in the law that our very dangorus for our national security and our way of life. the legislation states that the president can create military tribunals under his authority or under the authority of the secretary of defense (sec.948a.). it clearly states that torture is illegal and that it cannot be used to have someone accuse
themselves of terrorist crimes, EXCEPT, it says, except against a person
accused of torture as evidence that the statement was made. so its legal if your accused of torture. it also states that statements obtained after the detainee treatment act of 2005 in which the degree of coercion is disputed may be ADMITTED only if the military judge finds that the statement is reliable and has sufficient probative value
(sec.948r.).and remember this law states that the president has authority over the commissions. it also states that accusations are
allowed only if the adverse party (lawyers, witnesses) are allowed to overview it and challenge it. however the military judge could keep all
that SECRET from them (sec. 949d.). this legislation says that no
court system outside the military commissions could overview the evidence against you. so if your rights are violated there's no oversight to correct that. if your accused of not supporting your country and aiding the enemy then off to a military commission
(sec.950v). so what we have here is that the government can arrest
you, torture you to convict yourself. classify this from your defense and the public, all for national security. this is what happened in nazi
germany, stalinist russia, saddam's iraq and other despotic regimes.
now to history, in stalin's russia during the great terror the soviet
government imprisioned and murdered millions of their own people
in a way similar to what our government can do under the military commisions act. millions of innocent people who broke no soviet laws
got picked up because of informants and spies who accused them of
false crimes (see wikipedia on stalin). this was known as the great terror. and similar things happened in germany, iraq and most of the world with a history of tyranny. this is what will eventually take place
if we dont have habeus corpus and the rule of law. see the milgram experiments and the standford prison experiment to understand more reasons to oppose this law. theres people saying cant happen here,
well there wrong, if you dont learn from history your doomed to repeat it. america has a history of repression. for example the deportations and extermination of native americans. the kidnapping
and slavery of hundreeds of thosands of blacks. abraham lincoln arresting his oppostion and becoming dictator (read the real lincoln by
thomas delerenzo), wilson during ww1 fining and jailing his critics. FDR
arresting japanese, italian, german americans and so on. theres all
kinds of bad things are government has done including current things.
when our government starts going after the wrong people during times of crises which our history shows, then it will make it easier for
extremists to attack us and make things worse for us. our government needs fast tools to fight anyone thats a threat, but within
THE LAW!!!!!!!!