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FreedomLover
07-05-2007, 10:31 PM
WASHINGTON -- The day before Senate Watergate Committee minority counsel Fred Thompson made the inquiry that launched him into the national spotlight -- asking an aide to President Nixon whether there was a White House taping system -- he telephoned Nixon's lawyer.

Thompson tipped off the White House that the committee knew about the taping system and would be making the information public. In his all-but-forgotten Watergate memoir, "At That Point in Time," Thompson said he acted with "no authority" in divulging the committee's knowledge of the tapes, which provided the evidence that led to Nixon's resignation. It was one of many Thompson leaks to the Nixon team, according to a former investigator for Democrats on the committee, Scott Armstrong , who remains upset at Thompson's actions.

"Thompson was a mole for the White House," Armstrong said in an interview. "Fred was working hammer and tong to defeat the investigation of finding out what happened to authorize Watergate and find out what the role of the president was."

Asked about the matter this week, Thompson -- who is preparing to run for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination -- responded via e-mail without addressing the specific charge of being a Nixon mole: "I'm glad all of this has finally caused someone to read my Watergate book, even though it's taken them over thirty years."

The view of Thompson as a Nixon mole is strikingly at odds with the former Tennessee senator's longtime image as an independent-minded prosecutor who helped bring down the president he admired. Indeed, the website of Thompson's presidential exploratory committee boasts that he "gained national attention for leading the line of inquiry that revealed the audio-taping system in the White House Oval Office." It is an image that has been solidified by Thompson's portrayal of a tough-talking prosecutor in the television series "Law and Order."

But the story of his role in the Nixon case helps put in perspective Thompson's recent stance as one of the most outspoken proponents of pardoning I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. Just as Thompson once staunchly defended Nixon, Thompson urged a pardon for Libby, who was convicted in March of obstructing justice in the investigation into who leaked a CIA operative's name.

Thompson declared in a June 6 radio commentary that Libby's conviction was a "shocking injustice . . . created and enabled by federal officials." Bush on Monday commuted Libby's 30-month sentence, stopping short of a pardon.

The intensity of Thompson's remarks about Libby is reminiscent of how he initially felt about Nixon. Few Republicans were stronger believers in Nixon during the early days of Watergate.

Thompson, in his 1975 memoir, wrote that he believed "there would be nothing incriminating" about Nixon on the tapes, a theory he said "proved totally wrong."

In retrospect it is apparent that I was subconsciously looking for a way to justify my faith in the leader of my country and my party, a man who was undergoing a violent attack from the news media, which I thought had never given him fair treatment in the past," Thompson wrote. "I was looking for a reason to believe that Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States, was not a crook."

Thompson was a little-known assistant US attorney in Tennessee when the Watergate investigation in Congress got underway. He had served as campaign manager for the successful 1972 reelection of Senator Howard Baker, a powerful Tennessee Republican.

When the Senate Watergate Committee was established in 1973, Baker became the ranking Republican member and brought Thompson to Washington to serve as minority counsel. Baker, who has been among those now urging Thompson to seek the presidency, did not return a call seeking comment.

John Dean , Nixon's former White House counsel, who was a central witness at the hearings, said he believed that Baker and Thompson were anything but impartial players. "I knew that Thompson would be Baker's man, trying to protect Nixon," Dean said in an interview.

The website of Thompson's presidential exploratory committee, imwithfred.com, suggests that Thompson helped reveal the taping system and expose Nixon's role in the Watergate coverup. And while Thompson's question to presidential aide Alexander Butterfield during a Watergate hearing unveiled the existence of the taping system to the outside world, it wasn't Thompson who discovered that Nixon was taping conversations. Nor was Thompson the first to question Butterfield about the possibility.

On July 13, 1973, Armstrong, the Democratic staffer, asked Butterfield a series of questions during a private session that led up to the revelation. He then turned the questioning over to a Republican staffer, Don Sanders, who asked Butterfield the question that led to the mention of the taping system.

To the astonishment of everyone in the room, Butterfield admitted the taping system existed.

When Thompson learned of Butterfield's admission, he leaked the revelation to Nixon's counsel, J. Fred Buzhardt .

"Even though I had no authority to act for the committee, I decided to call Fred Buzhardt at home" to tell him that the committee had learned about the taping system, Thompson wrote. "I wanted to be sure that the White House was fully aware of what was to be disclosed so that it could take appropriate action."

Armstrong said he and other Democratic staffers had long been convinced that Thompson was leaking information about the investigation to the White House. The committee, for example, had obtained a memo written by Buzhardt that Democratic staffers believed was based on information leaked by Thompson.

Armstrong said he thought the leaks would lead to Thompson's firing. "Any prosecutor would be upset if another member of the prosecution team was orchestrating a defense for Nixon," said Armstrong, who later became a Washington Post reporter and currently is executive director of Information Trust, a nonprofit organization specializing in open government issues.

Baker, meanwhile, insisted that Thompson be allowed to ask Butterfield the question about the taping system in a public session on July 16, 1973, three days after the committee had learned about the system.

The choice of Thompson irked Samuel Dash , the Democratic chief counsel on the committee, who preferred that a Democrat be allowed to ask the question. "I personally resented it and felt cheated," Dash wrote in his memoirs. But he said he felt he had "no choice but to let Fred Thompson develop the Butterfield material" because the question initially had been posed by Sanders, a Republican staffer.

When Dash told Thompson on the day of the hearing that he had agreed to let Thompson ask the question that would change US history, Thompson replied: "That's right generous of you, Sam."

So it was, at the hearing, that Thompson leapt into the national spotlight:

"Are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the president?" he asked Butterfield during the national televised hearings.

"I was aware of listening devices, yes, sir," Butterfield responded.

Even as he quizzed Butterfield during the hearing, Thompson said later, he believed the tapes would exonerate Nixon, so he saw no problem in pressing for their release. It was after Thompson heard Nixon incriminate himself on the tapes that Thompson finally decided that Nixon was a crook -- and stopped be ing a Nixon apologist.

"Looking back, I wonder how I could have failed to realize at once . . . the significance of the tapes," Thompson wrote. "I realized that I would probably be thinking about the implications of Watergate for the rest of my life."

Fred Thompson: Nixon Spy (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/07/04/not_all_would_put_a_heroic_sheen_on_thompsons_wate rgate_role/?page=2)

The Media is ignoring the only person in the race that actually lives up to the hype: Ron Paul. :cool:

njandrewg
07-05-2007, 10:53 PM
hopefully we'll see a ton of coverage in the media about the fact

Roxi
07-05-2007, 11:00 PM
strong....where is that from ? link?

FreedomLover
07-05-2007, 11:05 PM
strong....where is that from ? link?

Its right under the quote. I admit its not very easy to tell the difference between the link font and the text font. :)

RohanT
07-05-2007, 11:05 PM
another one bites the dusta.

Roxi
07-05-2007, 11:07 PM
oh...oops
i do that all the time, maybe i should look harder before i ask

FSP-Rebel
07-05-2007, 11:34 PM
Surprise, surprise. Is anyone shocked. If so, get your head examined

Tuck
07-05-2007, 11:38 PM
I was hoping this would come out soon, I thought he was going to announce his run on July 4th though?

FreedomLover
07-05-2007, 11:43 PM
I was hoping this would come out soon, I thought he was going to announce his run on July 4th though?

The moment he announces, his campaign is finished. :cool:

hes just trying to ride the wave as long as possible.

denvervoipguru
07-06-2007, 02:09 AM
Oh man...this is a dream come true for our You Tube guys...fire up the videos!!!

How about a Fred Thompson spoof of the Macintosh commercial, but where the ahtlete launches into a talking NIXON and then the screen explodes to reveal a guilty-looking Fred Thompson face or something?

beermotor
07-06-2007, 04:44 AM
Wonder what he's going to do with all that money people have donated, laf.

d'anconia
07-06-2007, 05:32 AM
But do you guys even think the media will cover this? At this point some candidates just seem to be media darlings, ya know?

You certainly won't see Fox News cover this one maybe unless Giuliani donates a lot more to their organization.

MozoVote
07-06-2007, 07:25 AM
This is like people talking about Clinton's Vietnam-era positions and letters in 1992. Ultimately it doesn't sway many minds ... just confirms the negatives for people who never liked the guy.

belian78
07-06-2007, 07:30 AM
This is like people talking about Clinton's Vietnam-era positions and letters in 1992. Ultimately it doesn't sway many minds ... just confirms the negatives for people who never liked the guy.

i dont know because Fred is really pushing this "outsider, good ole boy" schtick. this, coupled with the fact he has a team full of ex bush people (and cheney's daughter btw) would smash that persona to smitherines.

Tuck
07-06-2007, 07:36 AM
You also have to factor in that he said "I respect the president's decision" regarding Libby which has lots of people outraged right now. Also interesting info about his 2nd wife being 4 years younger than his daughter, thats definitely a big black eye to his campaign.

MozoVote
07-06-2007, 07:40 AM
Also interesting info about his 2nd wife being 4 years younger than his daughter, thats definitely a big black eye to his campaign.

I have to give him a pass on his private life. That's not on par with say, Woody Allen's current marriage.

angelatc
07-06-2007, 07:53 AM
Also interesting info about his 2nd wife being 4 years younger than his daughter, thats definitely a big black eye to his campaign.

That doesn't bother me, really. I always prefer my candidates to only have one spouse, but it's not a deal breaker. He was divorced a long time before he married her, and IIRC he married her only a few months after his daughter died. I won't judge somebody in that position.

cujothekitten
07-06-2007, 09:50 AM
Is this on Digg anywhere?

*edit* guess so
http://www.digg.com/2008_us_elections/Big_Law_and_Order_Lug_Fred_Thompson_was_Nixon_s_Mo le_in_Watergate

SWATH
07-06-2007, 09:55 AM
Oh man...this is a dream come true for our You Tube guys...fire up the videos!!!

How about a Fred Thompson spoof of the Macintosh commercial

That's a great idea!

"Hi, I'm Ron Paul"
"and I'm Fred Thompson"

or

"Hi, I'm a Ron Paul supporter"
"and I'm a Fred Thompson supporter"

Bison
07-06-2007, 10:11 AM
i dont know because Fred is really pushing this "outsider, good ole boy" schtick. this, coupled with the fact he has a team full of ex bush people (and cheney's daughter btw) would smash that persona to smitherines.


O'l Fred says he came from the outside to Congress. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2zdQpc5R7s

Full interview for context http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sagvVMfAUa4

Then O'l Fred says he never said he was an outsider. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NfRIbCheq8

But he told the USA Today


Although the folksy-sounding Tennessean recently told USA TODAY that he would run an outsider, just as he did while campaigning as a "country lawyer" in a red pickup during his 1994 U.S. Senate race, his résumé is that of a longtime Washington operative who has crossed ideological lines to represent corporate and foreign clients.

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20070607/a_thompson07.art.htm

I guess he hasn't made up his mind yet if he is an insider or outsider.

MozoVote
07-06-2007, 08:17 PM
Well, it doesn't seem to be a problem for the ...supporters.... on the Fred Thompson forum. :rolleyes:

fedup100
07-06-2007, 08:21 PM
Well I thought all of you knew that about ole Fred.....but I thought he was to declare on the 4th.....I guess this story derailed him.

His participation in enabling scooter to rake in millions should be enough to do him in.

I told you the stories would start to come out about this guy, but the main stream media will ignore it and push him way up on a pedestal, I predict.

Jimmy
07-06-2007, 08:24 PM
He can't hide what he really is.

angelatc
07-06-2007, 08:39 PM
His position all along was that he thought Libby should be pardoned. I'm surprised that he didn't change his position when he heard the uproar.

V-rod
07-07-2007, 03:23 AM
I would take Nixon over Thompson.

Silverback
07-07-2007, 03:45 AM
I am consistently amazed at the support this guy gets from people who should know better.

I saw a Thompson T-shirt today.

"Fred Thompson 08" (OK so far)

"Kill the Terrorists" (Good plan!)

"Protect the borders" (yeah right)

"Punch the hippies" (This is political dialogue now?)


He really thought it was funny, but I think it illustrates the same complete lack of respect for civil rights or even civil discourse that we've come to expect from the Bush administration.

The Fredheads are simply out of touch with the mood of the country.

dmitchell
07-07-2007, 04:45 AM
Well I thought all of you knew that about ole Fred.....but I thought he was to declare on the 4th.....I guess this story derailed him.
I thought so too. Is this really what stopped him? Just as well--it was offensively presumptous on his part.

rg123
07-07-2007, 07:58 AM
Fred is associated with bush I have links here for you to read rather than post the whole articles

http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2007/07/fred-thompson-l.html

Jeb Bush team


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/opinion/orl-fred05_107jul05,0,6965023,print.story


libby association

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-thompson7jul07,0,54260.story?coll=la-home-center

lobbied for abrtion