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jd603
07-05-2007, 06:27 PM
I almost died. She was giving some speech and I heard her say this on CNN , borrowing from Ron Paul perhaps? Either way she's full of crap. :)

kalami
07-05-2007, 06:31 PM
I guess the constitution tests well among groups if she's invoking it. I didn't follow the last election as closely as this one, is claiming to support the constitution the normal get-elected rhetoric?

Wyurm
07-05-2007, 06:40 PM
I guess the constitution tests well among groups if she's invoking it. I didn't follow the last election as closely as this one, is claiming to support the constitution the normal get-elected rhetoric?

No, most of the time, the constitution is ignored. They would usually prefer not to get into a discussion about it since that would admit that the constitution has been stomped all over.

However, I've seen quite a few politicians copying Dr. Paul lately. Thats actually a really good thing. But, if you really want liberty, theres no alternative to the real thing.

UtahApocalypse
07-05-2007, 06:41 PM
Our response to all the candidates going to the constitution is simple:

Ron Paul has been consistent in following the Constitution for over 20 years! He has not just recently discovered its value. he has the record to back up what he says and it isent just a talking point or rhetoric.

Ann Kobialka
07-05-2007, 06:46 PM
When I wa watching the iowa tax forum on C-span one of the repub candidates said " and I want to be the first to come out and state publically I will abolish the Irs" was kind of taken aback by that one- don't remember which one though because no of thier speeches really got my attention Ann

Dustancostine
07-05-2007, 06:48 PM
When I wa watching the iowa tax forum on C-span one of the repub candidates said " and I want to be the first to come out and state publically I will abolish the Irs" was kind of taken aback by that one- don't remember which one though because no of thier speeches really got my attention Ann

Probably Huckabee, I heard him say it last week on CNN or something.

kalami
07-05-2007, 06:49 PM
I don't believe in these kinds of coincidences. If they weren't advocating this stuff before they starting running for president, then it means nothing.

rg123
07-05-2007, 06:50 PM
I noticed that a while back ever since the 2nd debate many of the candidates have made slight references to the constitution (and not just that polices as well) thinking that because Ron Paul
got some much attention they think just saying the words he says or as Ron would say emulate him will get them more votes but the fact is they do not have the voting record to back it up or the historical knowledge that Ron has on liberty and the constitution because it is a way of life for Ron in a side by side comparison
they just do not measure up to the Dr. I'll stick to the original

LibertyEagle
07-05-2007, 06:50 PM
When I wa watching the iowa tax forum on C-span one of the repub candidates said " and I want to be the first to come out and state publically I will abolish the Irs" was kind of taken aback by that one- don't remember which one though because no of thier speeches really got my attention Ann

Yeah, I heard that too. It was Huckabee or Brownback. I almost fell out of my chair laughing. :D They then proceeded to pitch the Fair Tax.

Kuldebar
07-05-2007, 06:50 PM
Rhetoric, there may be a change in rhetoric if some campaigns feel that a part of Ron Paul's message is resonating with voters....but that's as far as it goes...talk.

Do we actually have any doubts that mainstream politicians will say anything to get elected?

glts
07-05-2007, 06:50 PM
Hittlery wouldn't recognize the Constitution if someone slapped her with it!

JoshLowry
07-05-2007, 06:51 PM
Yeah, she did a great job for the constitution when she voted for the Patriot Act.

Wyurm
07-05-2007, 06:51 PM
I don't believe in these kinds of coincidences. If they weren't advocating this stuff before they starting running for president, then it means nothing.

Wrong, it means they think Ron Paul is going to win, so they are stealing his stand on the issues.

Imitation is the best form of flattery.

LibertyEagle
07-05-2007, 06:51 PM
I almost died. She was giving some speech and I heard her say this on CNN , borrowing from Ron Paul perhaps? Either way she's full of crap. :)

I'm not finding her socialist rhetoric of "it takes a village to raise a child", or socialized medicine, anywhere in the Constitution. Perhaps she has a different version than I have.

Dustancostine
07-05-2007, 06:52 PM
But remember the main stream public is not that smart.

Telling them that RP will get back to a constitutional government will not help if they can say "Yea Hillary says she will do the same thing"

DjLoTi
07-05-2007, 06:57 PM
Yeah, but if Ron can win the primaries, Ron can say, "She voted for the patriot act, she voted for the war... I did not ... "

LibertyEagle
07-05-2007, 07:03 PM
We don't need to worry about Hillary at this point, unless we think a person is convertible to Ron Paul. Most anyone who would consider voting for Hillary, in my opinion, is so far gone, I don't think they'll come over to the concept of limited government and liberty anytime soon.

rg123
07-05-2007, 07:04 PM
Yeah, but if Ron can win the primaries, Ron can say, "She voted for the patriot act, she voted for the war... I did not ... "


Yes its too bad that the GOP & NEOCON are too interested in turning towards a NAU style of government (police state) instead of an economy and manufacturing jobs in the US and a government by the people.
If the GOP threw all their weight behind Ron I could see him winning in a landslide
Ron sums up very well against the Dems

torchbearer
07-05-2007, 07:06 PM
Yes its too bad that the GOP & NEOCON are too interested in turning towards a NAU style of government (police state) instead of an economy and manufacturing jobs in the US and a government by the people.
If the GOP threw all their weight behind Ron I could see him winning in a landslide
Ron sums up very well against the Dems

Why are the elite GOP against ron paul? because ron wants to take their power away.
GOP for the people? or. GOP for the power? they've made that answer clear with the way they have treated Ron Paul.

Electric Church
07-05-2007, 07:08 PM
baarf

buffalokid777
07-05-2007, 07:10 PM
Hillary is such a liar, she never would uphold the constitution.......Just like her Hubby......

We have a had a Bush Or Clinton in the whitehouse since 1980.....

This crap has got to stop.

If Hillary gets in.....I'll bet the Bush's will start warming up Jeb for 2016.

Roxi
07-05-2007, 07:13 PM
We don't need to worry about Hillary at this point, unless we think a person is convertible to Ron Paul. Most anyone who would consider voting for Hillary, in my opinion, is so far gone, I don't think they'll come over to the concept of limited government and liberty anytime soon.

i know you said most anyone but i hear sooooo many young girls who have no clue what they are talking about with politics say they are voting for hillary simply because she is a woman and they have always heard their moms say "we need a woman president to change things"
now being a girl myself im not going to go so far as to say women are stupid but most are ignorant on the issues... in most of these cases i have been able to convert them to ronpaulians by telling them the evil things the clintons have done and how great RP is....a lot of hitlery supporters could be turned around if given the right info

Ann Kobialka
07-05-2007, 07:17 PM
The problem is going to be as these other fair weather candidates start sliding towards whats resonating/ Ron Paul / You know they have to be seeing 200 300 new meet up members a day. 1 or 2 new meet up groups forming per day. So 6 to nine months out its going to sound like something they started with. This is how it works. They are already on mainstream media getting the attention and starting to drift. Ron Paul is not. We know his message America doesn't, it's going to be very hard to say "hey thats our candidates idea ??? Ann

kalami
07-05-2007, 07:19 PM
i know you said most anyone but i hear sooooo many young girls who have no clue what they are talking about with politics say they are voting for hillary simply because she is a woman and they have always heard their moms say "we need a woman president to change things"
now being a girl myself im not going to go so far as to say women are stupid but most are ignorant on the issues... in most of these cases i have been able to convert them to ronpaulians by telling them the evil things the clintons have done and how great RP is....a lot of hitlery supporters could be turned around if given the right info


Well, she is very presidential. ;)

Kuldebar
07-05-2007, 07:21 PM
Wrong, it means they think Ron Paul is going to win, so they are stealing his stand on the issues.

Imitation is the best form of flattery.

I wouldn't go that far, but it is a sign that they are using the same rhetoric because they believe it is attractive to voters.

dude58677
07-05-2007, 07:38 PM
Well if you want to convince female hilliary supporters to vote for Ron Paul. Tell them that Ron Paul will abolish the Federal Reserve and thus eliminate inflation so then women can go on a life long shopping spree. I've done this and they thought it was funny and they agreed they would vote for Ron Paul.

richard1984
07-05-2007, 08:23 PM
Well if you want to convince female hilliary supporters to vote for Ron Paul. Tell them that Ron Paul will abolish the Federal Reserve and thus eliminate inflation so then women can go on a life long shopping spree. I've done this and they thought it was funny and they agreed they would vote for Ron Paul.

Of course, we need to remember that results won't be instantaneous. (not that you don't know that, but others may not be so realistic)

Lord Xar
07-05-2007, 08:40 PM
Hillary will promise you her right tit if she thought it would get her a vote. I would love someone to interview her and say "well, you know Ron Paul has been trumpeting the constituion for the past 30 years, how about you?" I think she is just trying another angle because of that "socialist" paper she did in college. She is trying to protect herself..

Broadlighter
07-05-2007, 08:51 PM
To Hillary - the Constitution is a talking point.

To Ron Paul - It's the centerpiece of his campaign message.

Big difference.

We have to remind people of a couple of things:

1) Where do we get their rights as Americans?

2) Most politicians put their policy objectives above the Constitution. Ron Paul makes following the Constitution his main policy objective.

We've got our work cut out for us and it will not end with this election cycle.

CJLauderdale4
07-05-2007, 08:52 PM
We need to show these quotes side-by-side with the same quotes from Ron Paul at the debates, with the chuckles in the audience when he says it.

Showing that in the MSM, Ron says it and gets laughed at, and others say it and get applause.

After all, it's really working for Ron, let's go with it. Once Ron's out of the picture, we'll go back to the same ol'...

Bryan in Iowa
07-05-2007, 09:20 PM
Don't forget Barak Obama. He invokes the constitution in every speech, and has for several months. Don't forget his background as a constitutional lawyer from Harvard. He is a growing force, one I believe is greater than Hillary. Who's second on YouTube, who's first on myspace...it isn't Hillary, it's Obama. Who has the minority vote, who emulates the family man by bringing his kids and wife to rallies, the working man for the poor, the Washington outsider...it's not Hillary, it's Obama. Don't worry about Hillary...the only reason people wish to see her in office is to get Bill back...and I don't think that's enough to win her the primaries.

Yes, it seems the MSM wishes to see Hillary win the nomination, and be the first woman in the Whitehouse...what a story...but she has many faults, and a ton of ghosts in the closet. The MSM would be just as happy to have the first African-American in the Whitehouse...and he's politically cleaner than Hillary.

On Monday I went to Hillary's rally at the Iowa Fairgrounds to hear what she had to say....about the issues. She said squat. She told a few stories about her upbringing by a mother who was unwanted by her parents, she riled the crowd to supporter her with healthcare, even tho she failed the first time. Bill just sat there and smiled. He wants to be back in the Whitehouse sooooo bad.

On Wednesday I went to see Obama...on the Fourth of July, his daughters birthday (his daughter was in attendence along with his wife and youngest daughter). I was fortunate to sit on the front row, and when he came round to shake hands, I asked a couple of questions. I'm editing the video now and will post on YouTube soon...maybe tonight.

Throughout the speech Obama referenced the constitution...he is not blind to its contents, even tho he interprets it differently than Ron Paul. He is a socialist, and one who believes the constituion allows the government to keep checks and balances on corporations. A population who has been spoiled by entitlements eat his words by the mouthful...because he promises to bring them more. He is not for the Real ID Act, but he is for a national employee verification system...which is similar.

Know thine enemy, and never underestimate their power.

ecliptic
07-05-2007, 09:25 PM
... I've seen quite a few politicians copying Dr. Paul lately. Thats actually a really good thing. But, if you really want liberty, theres no alternative to the real thing.

Yes - watching C-Span coverage today I noticed... suddenly other candidates are saying things that Ron Paul says, only weaker and lame...

angrydragon
07-05-2007, 09:26 PM
Good stuff to know, thanks Bryan.

jd603
07-05-2007, 09:27 PM
I agree, the battle for the white house will most likely be Hillary or Barack... both of them will bring us more of the same though. ..and they both have weak links on several issues... especially compared to Ron.

I really really hope Ron gets to square off against Hillary or Barack... now THAT would be entertainment!



Don't forget Barak Obama. He invokes the....

ThePieSwindler
07-05-2007, 09:30 PM
I concur, Bryan. Obama is a bigger threat, and is growing much faster than Hillary. He's slick, smart, and knows what to say. However, the only reason his political record is so clean is because he is so new. He IS a socialist, he does want bigger government, more spending, etc, and he will continue the interventionist foreign policy (and the PATRIOT act, which he voted for). He interprets the constitution in ways that will expand government, not limit it, however. He is a formidable force, but certainly defeatable. I will say though, an Obama vs Ron Paul presidential debate would certainly be riveting, since both do stick to the issues, even though Obama approaches them in a very different way.

jd603
07-05-2007, 09:32 PM
bingo, which is why Ron could tear him up pretty well! :)

Either way he can put up a huge fight with either of these candidates. So we should focus on the GOP first! I regret bringing this up! hehe, it just annoyed me, I get annoyed every time I turn on CNN/MSNBC/FOX etc. hehe yet i keep turning it on so I can monitor their bull!


I concur, Bryan. Obama is a bigger threat, and is growing much faster than Hillary. He's slick, smart, and knows what to say. However, the only reason his political record is so clean is because he is so new. He IS a socialist, he does want bigger government, more spending, etc, and he will continue the interventionist foreign policy (and the PATRIOT act, which he voted for). He interprets the constitution in ways that will expand government, not limit it, however. He is a formidable force, but certainly defeatable. I will say though, an Obama vs Ron Paul presidential debate would certainly be riveting, since both do stick to the issues, even though Obama approaches them in a very different way.

Bryan in Iowa
07-05-2007, 09:43 PM
I concur, Bryan. Obama is a bigger threat, and is growing much faster than Hillary. He's slick, smart, and knows what to say. However, the only reason his political record is so clean is because he is so new. He IS a socialist, he does want bigger government, more spending, etc, and he will continue the interventionist foreign policy (and the PATRIOT act, which he voted for). He interprets the constitution in ways that will expand government, not limit it, however. He is a formidable force, but certainly defeatable. I will say though, an Obama vs Ron Paul presidential debate would certainly be riveting, since both do stick to the issues, even though Obama approaches them in a very different way.

That's my point, Obama talks issues, and provides his ideas on how to solve the problems. It is clear he is a socialist, and he is feeding on people who have been groomed to be dependent on the government for support...not each other. He sees the government and the people as one in the same...very similar to Hillary rhetoric, but he says with much more conviction.

I agree the fight at hand is with the other GOP candidates, and I truly believe Ron Paul would squash them if the MSM gave him the attention he deserves. We're working on that. The Iowa Rally was to boost the spotlight...but alas we may have had other variables at work here we did not expect (the FCC). We also made mistakes...but we've learned from them. Hopefully we can regain ground in the Iowa Straw Poll. If he does well...in the top three...and the MSM still ignores him...then we must take it to the streets (philosophically of course). Letters to editors, call in radio programs, more rallies, more going door-to-door, more phone calls...everything we can do as citizens to get the message out.

As a famous American once cried as he rode through the streets..."The Primaries are coming!! The Primaries are coming!!!" :eek:

propanes
07-05-2007, 10:22 PM
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