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Spirit of '76
07-05-2007, 02:23 PM
http://thegate.nationaljournal.com/2007/07/poll_track_a_strong_constituti_1.php

Zogby poll findings on relevance of Constitution and civil liberties...

Opens up with, "Take heart, Ron Paul!"

Wyurm
07-05-2007, 02:26 PM
but we arent tiny :( I hate it when they call us tiny.

seefate
07-05-2007, 02:28 PM
Ouch, never thought about the ban on smoking in public places.

Tough call really, I am all for it as I have a bad reaction to cigarett smoke but that is to some percent imposing on their rights.



Good article however, may help to explain why the Paul backing is growing so fast and is becomming so strong.

:D

Spirit of '76
07-05-2007, 02:34 PM
Ouch, never thought about the ban on smoking in public places.

Tough call really, I am all for it as I have a bad reaction to cigarett smoke but that is to some percent imposing on their rights.




http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6627/allinfavor1pk5.jpg

I'm a pipe & cigar smoker, so that's a hobby horse of mine. Business owners should be able to decide for themselves if they want to allow smoking.

To see how passionate people get about these unconstitutional bans, check out the "Tobacco Legislation" section over SmokersForums.com:
http://www.smokersforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=88

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DavyDuke17
07-05-2007, 02:37 PM
That Zogby poll that they referenced was the first one I had participated in since I signed up. They had questions about party affiliation, but none about what candidate you were going to vote for. I remember the constitution question and thought to myself how it was so relevant to the Ron Paul campaign. I didn't think that an organization like the National Journal which has been pretty unkind to the Dr. would pick up on that as well.

atilla
07-05-2007, 02:50 PM
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6627/allinfavor1pk5.jpg

I'm a pipe & cigar smoker, so that's a hobby horse of mine. Business owners should be able to decide for themselves if they want to allow smoking.

To see how passionate people get about these unconstitutional bans, check out the "Tobacco Legislation" section over SmokersForums.com:
http://www.smokersforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=88

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1862/starspangled1bh6.jpg

this is really an interesting issue for me. many people don't know that german nazis and adolf were extremely anti-smoking. to the extent even that after the war many germans started smoking during the U.S. occupation in order to make a statement that they were not nazis. even today germany still has a very high rate of smokers as a consequence of that post WWII cultural boost.

and of course, nazi doctors determined that smoking caused cancer in the 30's, U.S. doctors realized that in the 50's. adolf used to give a speech about how he quit smoking when he realized it was a jewish plot:eek:

MBA2008
07-05-2007, 02:51 PM
Quotation>>>Ouch, never thought about the ban on smoking in public places.

Tough call really, I am all for it as I have a bad reaction to cigarett smoke but that is to some percent imposing on their rights.<<<

It's not a tough call at all. I DON'T smoke, and personally, I find it a revolting habit. But, private businesses are not "public places." If you don't want to eat, drink, work, or do anything else in someone else's private establishment, then don't. But no one (including the government) has any right to tell a private business owner that he cannot permit smoking in his place of business.

This is one of the big problems with our society today. Everyone is for "Constitutional Rights" until someone does something that they don't like (or doesn't do something that they think should be done.)

The WHOLE Constitution applies folks, not just the parts you agree with. There's a lot of stuff that people do that I don't like, but I would fight damn hard to protect their right to do it. If you really believe in the principles of the Constitution, it cannot be any other way.

Smoking bans are a clear infringement upon freedom. Whether you like smoking or not, you should be opposed to these types of bans if you are truly a believer in the Constitution.

Spirit of '76
07-05-2007, 02:54 PM
Hear, hear!

d'anconia
07-05-2007, 02:59 PM
Well I thought things like public smoking were debatable until I realized the underlying problem with the issue.

The problem isn't that smoking in public places can harm other people... it's that those public places exist in the first place. If all land were privatized then there wouldn't be a problem. People would be given more freedom to pick and choose where they wanted to go, etc and if your neighbor liked to smoke a lot and you can prove that the 2nd hand smoke caused you property damage (in the form of health problems) then file for damages.

Case closed.

Spirit of '76
07-05-2007, 03:07 PM
Well I thought things like public smoking were debatable until I realized the underlying problem with the issue.

The problem isn't that smoking in public places can harm other people... it's that those public places exist in the first place. If all land were privatized then there wouldn't be a problem. People would be given more freedom to pick and choose where they wanted to go, etc and if your neighbor liked to smoke a lot and you can prove that the 2nd hand smoke caused you property damage (in the form of health problems) then file for damages.

Case closed.

Well, the problem is that the government has extended the definition of "public places" to include privately-owned business establishments.

What right does the government have to dictate to a restaurant or bar owner that he cannot allow smoking on his own private property? If people don't like a bar or a restaurant that allows smoking, let the market send the message.

Allowing unelected, unaccountable "health boards" to pass and enforce regulations dictating what people can and cannot do on their private property is just plain wrong.

Bradley in DC
07-05-2007, 03:53 PM
but we arent tiny :( I hate it when they call us tiny.

I'm like 130 lbs!

LibertyCzar
07-05-2007, 03:53 PM
but we arent tiny :( I hate it when they call us tiny.

Now are we tiny before or after all those hot dogs and beer yesterday?