Eliminate women's suffrage?

[Matt Collins]

Eliminate women's suffrage?



Of course I'm joking. :p


But has anyone ever noticed that our country started to turn really socialistic when women began to vote?

Correlation does not always = causation, however I think the coincidence is interesting.


Thoughts?

[Heather in WI]

Boo.

I think it's men that keep starting all these wars and raising my taxes.

[ShowMeLiberty]

Boo. Hiss.

I'm sure it's much more related to the decreasing number of pirates in the world than it is to women voting.

[Matt Collins]

I think it's men that keep starting all these wars and raising my taxes.Yes - but who keeps electing men who raise taxes and start wars? :rolleyes:

[stm]

Nanny state. :)

[Dave Pedersen]

I voted yes because I think it's awful to let women keep suffering.

[hard@work]

I didn't know Ann Coulter posted here.

[murrayrothbard]

Women suffrage increased the government but NOT because it was women voting. (As in it has nothing to do with sex/gender). Women increased the number of people voting, which of course leads to more government, and also brought another interest group in to play thus giving the ruling class another card to play in order to increase their power. The same thing would have happened if it was women that had originally voted and then male suffrage was introduced.

[stm]

Women suffrage increased the government but NOT because it was women voting. (As in it has nothing to do with sex/gender).

Uh, no.

Unless you want to try to argue that the prohibition still would have happened if it weren't for the female dominated temperance movement.

[jenninlouisiana]

Women were responsible for ending prohibition as well.

[jenninlouisiana]

From druglibrary.org

"With the growth of well-organized and serious national anti-Prohibition groups like Americans Against the Prohibition Amendment and the Women's Organization for National Prohibition Reform, popular support for repeal grew geometrically during the thirteen years of Prohibition. In th midst of the 1932 presidential election campaign, it erupted."

[Madison]

Women were responsible for ending prohibition as well.

I think the male bootleggers did that.

[stm]

From druglibrary.org

"With the growth of well-organized and serious national anti-Prohibition groups like Americans Against the Prohibition Amendment and the Women's Organization for National Prohibition Reform, popular support for repeal grew geometrically during the thirteen years of Prohibition. In th midst of the 1932 presidential election campaign, it erupted."

I think the male bootleggers did that.

Well, whoever did it, there still can be little doubt that women's suffrage caused the prohibition.

How could anyone possibly think that it was a coincidence that the prohibition began in the exact same year that women's suffrage did?

[FreeTraveler]

All I'll say about this thread:

Matt, you got great big brass ones to post this question, and I hope none of the wonderful women who post here know your real identity. Women can be much more violent than men, given sufficient provocation. :D

[Matt]

LOL, Hot Topics :D

[Matt Collins]

Matt, you got great big brass ones to post this question, You have NO IDEA! :D




and I hope none of the wonderful women who post here know your real identity. yes this is my real name ha ha.

[RockEnds]

Well, before men eliminate our right to vote, possibly they should consider the survival of the species. ;)

[FrankRep]

The results disappoint me.

Who would vote Yes? :-\

[Fox McCloud]

we should remove the amendment, in my honest opinion, but women should be able to vote.

Under the Constitution, all men were created equal (this applies to women too), therefore, why do we need an amendment to the Constitution, just so women can vote?

A lot of these amendments sound good at first, but, in the long run, only increase government power.

[FunkBuddha]

I kinda like the idea of property owners votes having more weight than non-property owners. Was that Locke's idea?

Property owners have more at stake and are less likely to vote for more taxes.

[Tom228]

we should remove the amendment, in my honest opinion, but women should be able to vote.

Under the Constitution, all men were created equal (this applies to women too), therefore, why do we need an amendment to the Constitution, just so women can vote?

A lot of these amendments sound good at first, but, in the long run, only increase government power.

Then then some anti-women guy is going to turn around that phrase and say that it say specifically "man" then there'll be a huge debate, then yea.

[SamLowrey]

Women were responsible for ending prohibition as well.

Hmmmm?

[Original_Intent]

The question I would ask is even more politically incorrect.

BTW I agree, women IN GENERAL love socialism. Until they get it.

There are wonderful exceptions to the rule. That being said I would not end women voting.

But I would say that anyone who receives any government welfare in any form (farm subsidy, corporate welfare or good ol' "poor people" welfare) can't vote, and can't contribute to a politician.

People have no right to vote money out of my pocket and into theirs. Corporate welfare especially - they get our taxes and then contribute to politicians who will continue to give them my taxes? Since money is fungible, they are essentially TAKING MY MONEY AND CONTRIBUTING IT TO A CANDIDATE OF THEIR CHOICE???

[jumpyg1258]

This reminds me of "The Man Show" where they got a booth and were getting signatures and womens help to end women's suffrage. Was one of the funniest things I have ever seen.

[Matt Collins]

I kinda like the idea of property owners votes having more weight than non-property owners. Was that Locke's idea?

Property owners have more at stake and are less likely to vote for more taxes.
But we all own property. We own our bodies which is our personal property.

[FrankRep]

This reminds me of "The Man Show" where they got a booth and were getting signatures and womens help to end women's suffrage. Was one of the funniest things I have ever seen.

Yeah, that was classic. Scary, but funny and sad too.

[smileylovesfreedom]

No taxation without representation.

If you remove my right to vote, then all my tax bills better be $0!!!

[Fox McCloud]

Then then some anti-women guy is going to turn around that phrase and say that it say specifically "man" then there'll be a huge debate, then yea.

I think it'd be fairly easy to counter that argument, personally.

It's just like a few other amendments, like the right for Black people to vote; that shouldn't have ever been put in there; they should have just been allowed to vote, period.

As I said, "all men are created equal".

I'm 100% for allowing women and any other race to vote, I just don't think we need an amendment to do it; it ends up broadly expanding the government's power....remember; if they can give you the right to vote in an amendment, they can revoke the right to vote too.


The question I would ask is even more politically incorrect.

BTW I agree, women IN GENERAL love socialism. Until they get it.

There are wonderful exceptions to the rule. That being said I would not end women voting.

But I would say that anyone who receives any government welfare in any form (farm subsidy, corporate welfare or good ol' "poor people" welfare) can't vote, and can't contribute to a politician.

People have no right to vote money out of my pocket and into theirs. Corporate welfare especially - they get our taxes and then contribute to politicians who will continue to give them my taxes? Since money is fungible, they are essentially TAKING MY MONEY AND CONTRIBUTING IT TO A CANDIDATE OF THEIR CHOICE???

Lol, if that was the case, then Ron Paul would be the winner already, even by the media's standards *chuckles* considering that over HALF of Americans are on some form of welfare....well, it'd be nearly impossible for Democrats to win, and there would only be a few candidates that would be able to withstand something like this.....and well, Ron Paul would be at the head of the pack.

[Matt Collins]

This reminds me of "The Man Show" where they got a booth and were getting signatures and womens help to end women's suffrage. Was one of the funniest things I have ever seen.
Yes, I saw that. In fact that's what prompted option #3 in the above poll.

If you ask random people on the street if they want to eliminate womens' suffrage most would say "yes" ha ha :rolleyes:


The Man Show was one of the best shows on T.V. EVER!!!!


This is another great moment on TV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxX7NXeXy-o

[autobot]

I can't believe you are such an idoit to bring this "joke" up again, and on a night we could be actually getting new supporters. If you this helping lose this election, by turning off potential voters is really funny.. this post should have been in hot topics. You have cost us votes. Stop supporting this idiot on the forums. He is harming the campaign with these posts. I am sure he is a good person who has helped in other ways buy these anti female "jokes" are really a stupid thing to have at the top on a huge night for new people. Get this thread out of here.

[autobot]

I can't believe you are such an idiot to bring this "joke" up again, and on a night we could be actually getting new supporters. If you this helping lose this election, by turning off potential voters is really funny.. this post should have been in hot topics. You have cost us votes. Stop supporting this idiot on the forums. He is harming the campaign with these posts. I am sure he is a good person who has helped in other ways buy these anti female "jokes" are really a stupid thing to have at the top on a huge night for new people. Get this thread out of here.

[idiom]

The amendments had to be put in to force some states to treat humans like humans. America was pretty slow in letting women vote and even worse with blacks.

Constitution still lists free men and 3/5s of other men when taking the census. :)

Not really any mechanism to tidy that up.

[DamianTV]

I cant believe that there were a few people that voted YES. Hopefully that was a joke vote in response to a joke poll...

If you really dont know SUFFRAGE IS THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

[PaleoForPaul]

Every Republican since Goldwater would have won the presidency if it weren't for the female vote.

I still wouldn't approve removing their right to vote. There are plenty of liberty minded women, as you can see on these forums.

[PaleoForPaul]

Just a followup to this, 58% of women believe the Constitution guarantees each person the right to own a gun.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/16/guns.poll/index.html

[user]

I hope the 20 people who voted Yes so far were joking. Tyranny of the majority is the problem, not who's in the majority.

[kalami]

lol people voted yes

[MS0453]

Lol guys. Anyone that voted yes is obviously doing it to be a smart-ass.


I cant believe that there were a few people that voted YES. Hopefully that was a joke vote in response to a joke poll...

If you really dont know SUFFRAGE IS THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

Sorry, there is no right to vote. It's a privilege.

[Matt Collins]

I can't believe you are such an idiot to bring this "joke" up again, and on a night we could be actually getting new supporters. Get this thread out of here.

I understand your concern and it is a valid point. But I don't think anyone is going to seriously think Ron Paul wants to end suffrage for women. :rolleyes:

[user]

I understand your concern and it is a valid point. But I don't think anyone is going to seriously think Ron Paul wants to end suffrage for women. :rolleyes:
You realize we're talking about people who voted for Bush twice? I have to agree with autobot here.

[SeanEdwards]

Crazy people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

;)

[Matt Collins]

Crazy people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

;)

Interesting... many people out there think we need a test for the privilege of voting.

[autobot]

If you made this joke poll about a different group of people, then you would probably be scared someone would track you down and put some caps in your ass your for making this joke. Why? because its mean, unfunny joke. Blood would be shed if you made a joke like this about other people in public. And no one would feel one bit sorry for you. Because you would have had it coming. I hope women start taking up arms. Seriously.

[smhbbag]

Lol guys. Anyone that voted yes is obviously doing it to be a smart-ass.

I voted yes, and I mean that sincerely. I know the question is posted as a joke, with many joke responses, but there are many liberty-minded patriots who do believe this.

I recognize that it's political suicide, and it wouldn't be an issue I would even put in the top 1000. But yeah, I certainly would not object to repealing women's right to vote.

[Goldwater Conservative]

No, but I do think everyone should be required to pass a government and economics exam every few years before voting.

[autobot]

Any woman reading this thread needs to get a gun or at least those cool new tasers. Our right to vote isn't a joke. Women get a gun!!

[Matt Collins]

Blood would be shed if you made a joke like this about other people in public.I don't know where you live, but if people get killed over a joke in your area then perhaps you should consider moving. Sheesh.... :rolleyes:

[johngr]

Boo.

I think it's men that keep starting all these wars and raising my taxes.

Indira Ghandi, Katherine the Great, Golda Mier and Margaret Thatcher were all quite willing to send young men to die in wars.

For raising taxes listing them all (essentially every woman who has ever been in a representative, monarch or executive position) would compromise the forum's server capacity.

[autobot]

I don't know where you live, but if people get killed over a joke in your area then perhaps you should consider moving. Sheesh.... :rolleyes:

Go try it. Please. Do it. Are you a Coward? From the way you attack women I assume you are a sissy wimp with no masculine traits whatsoever. If you hate women so much and think its so funny to make these 'jokes". What happened to strong men in this country? You femme men can't persuade people not to vote for someone like Hillary so you decide, if we can't win them over let's take away their right to vote???? It used to be the Democrats that were like these wimpy men who are ruled by women and then resent it and act out passive aggressively, but now I see there are plenty of men like that here. I am sorry you all feel impotent, but taking out these personal problems on strangers is not called for. Go to a therapist and tell them your mommy issues. Stop acting like trolls for Hillary.

[jondisx]

Go try it. Please. Do it. Are you a Coward? From the way you attack women I assume you are a sissy wimp with no masculine traits whatsoever. If you hate women so much and think its so funny to make these 'jokes". What happened to strong men in this country? You femme men can't persuade people not to vote for someone like Hillary so you decide, if we can't win them over let's take away their right to vote???? It used to be the Democrats that were like these wimpy men who are ruled by women and then resent it and act out passive aggressively, but now I see there are plenty of men like that here. I am sorry you all feel impotent, but taking out these personal problems on strangers is not called for. Go to a therapist and tell them your mommy issues. Stop acting like trolls for Hillary.

wow you have nothing better to do right?

[autobot]

wow you have nothing better to do right?

You have more posts than me, dix. I am out the door again. I think combating the hillary trolls on this board is worth the effort, because I don't want her to win.

[SeanEdwards]

Go try it. Please. Do it. Are you a Coward? From the way you attack women I assume you are a sissy wimp with no masculine traits whatsoever. If you hate women so much and think its so funny to make these 'jokes". What happened to strong men in this country? You femme men can't persuade people not to vote for someone like Hillary so you decide, if we can't win them over let's take away their right to vote???? It used to be the Democrats that were like these wimpy men who are ruled by women and then resent it and act out passive aggressively, but now I see there are plenty of men like that here. I am sorry you all feel impotent, but taking out these personal problems on strangers is not called for. Go to a therapist and tell them your mommy issues. Stop acting like trolls for Hillary.

May it please the court, I would like to submit this post as evidence in support of the motion. :D

[MS0453]

I voted yes, and I mean that sincerely. I know the question is posted as a joke, with many joke responses, but there are many liberty-minded patriots who do believe this.

I recognize that it's political suicide, and it wouldn't be an issue I would even put in the top 1000. But yeah, I certainly would not object to repealing women's right to vote.

Explain plz.

[familydog]

I know more women who deserve to vote more than I know men who deserve to vote. I guess I'm just not understanding the position of those "serious" people who voted yes. Isn't taking away someone's vote based on gender/race/religion etc and not looking at the individual a form of collectivism? Seems counter to the entire message of Ron Paul.

As a side note, when Paul makes it to the general election expect this to be an issue. Not one generated by Ron Paul, but by those who hate him. Especially if Hillary gets the namination since she will play the gender card (already has). Because Ron Paul is so pro-freedom and liberty, abiding by the consitution, it will be skewed into craziness. Anyone remember the confirmation hearings of Robert Bork?

[Matt Collins]

Go try it. Please. Do it. Are you a Coward?I do it all the time. It's called having wit and a sense of humor. And at this point I think you have a straight jacket and a padded room calling your name.



From the way you attack women I assume you are a sissy wimp with no masculine traits whatsoever. If you hate women so much Since when did I say I hate women? Since when have I attacked women? Please cite my posts in which these words were written down.



Stop acting like trolls...Take your own advice, eh? :rolleyes:

[apc3161]

I really hope these results are a joke. If not that is very scary and I dont know what you people are doing supporting Ron Paul.

edit - keep in mind it is very possible a bunch of trolls just answered "yes" just to cause panic, confusion, and conflict among us.
I don't see how anyone could be a strong supporter of liberty and think that this doesn't apply to women.

[steph3n]

I really hope these results are a joke. If not that is very scary and I dont know what you people are doing supporting Ron Paul.

edit - keep in mind it is very possible a bunch of trolls just answered "yes" just to cause panic, confusion, and conflict among us.
I don't see how anyone could be a strong supporter of liberty and think that this doesn't apply to women.

maybe we have 30 dumb people that think suffrage is suffering :(

[Hope]

This isn't a joke. Several people have spoken up that they're being sincere. I guess everyone needs a scapegoat, huh?

How do you think this thread makes women new to the Ron Paul movement and these forums feel?

[Chibioz]

We must end women's suffrage asap. The poor women. Paul should add it to his platform.

[Hope]

We must end women's suffrage asap. The poor women. Paul should add it to his platform.

suffrage - the right to vote in political elections

[Chibioz]

Exactly. Those dirty womens are just going to vote for Hillary! Polls show they don't want no suffrage anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUP9Jm9SqvY

[Nihilist23]

No women's suffrage = landslide victory for Ron Paul.

There, I said it.

[dvictr]

they are taking away the jobs of men!

[PaleoForPaul]

No women's suffrage = landslide victory for Ron Paul.

There, I said it.

Very true, but the equality police might not like you saying that.

[MooCowzRock]

lol, I voted yes...;P

[noxagol]

Yes, because it reinforces the idea that you need permission for your "group" in order to do something.

[Triton]

Eliminate women's suffrage?



Of course I'm (mostly) joking. :p


But has anyone ever noticed that our country started to turn really socialistic when women began to vote?

Correlation does not always = causation, however I think the coincidence is interesting.


Thoughts?Barefoot, pregnant, and illiterate. Like God intended.

[PaleoForPaul]

Barefoot, pregnant, and illiterate. Like God intended.

It's either that or in your wallet via taxes. Your choice!

[autobot]

We live in a world where women are given 200 lashes and six months in prison for being gang raped. We live in a world where women are kicked like dogs in the street, kept illiterate, and violated in every way. Honor killings of rape victims. Women who are sentenced to gang rape by the city elders for crimes of their brothers. Child brides are sold at ages of 8 and 9. That is why this thread is disgusting. Where are the others calling out the members of this forum on this thread. Is there no decency?

In contrast, our country has risen to the level it has by and large by treating women as equals. This allows us to increase productivity and has many other benefits to society.

[stm]

We live in a world where women are given 200 lashes and six months in prison for being gang raped. We live in a world where women are kicked like dogs in the street, kept illiterate, and violated in every way. Honor killings of rape victims. Women who are sentenced to gang rape by the city elders for crimes of their brothers. Child brides are sold at ages of 8 and 9. That is why this thread is disgusting. Where are the others calling out the members of this forum on this thread. Is there no decency?

In contrast, our country has risen to the level it has by and large by treating women as equals. This allows us to increase productivity and has many other benefits to society.

Uh... you do know that women weren't allowed to vote in America prior to 1920, right?

[pugifat]

what kind of asswipe posts a poll like this?

this is just the kind of shit that get's ron paul's message relegated to the "Libertarian and Kooky" dung heap.

[autobot]

Uh... you do know that women weren't allowed to vote in America prior to 1920, right?

You can go back to the "good old days" HAH, Have fun! Look at what OUR society has accomplished since 1920. Look at what Societies that oppress women have accomplished since 1920. Get Real.

[stm]

You can go back to the "good old days" HAH, Have fun! Look at what OUR society has accomplished since 1920. Look at what Societies that oppress women have accomplished since 1920. Get Real.

Look at what societies that "oppress" women accomplished prior to 1920: Beethoven, Newton, Plato, the Industrial Revolution, the US constitution, the Enlightenment, the Colossus of Rhodes, and much, much more.

[autobot]

Look at what societies that "oppress" women accomplished prior to 1920: Beethoven, Newton, Plato, the Industrial Revolution, the US constitution, the Enlightenment, the Colossus of Rhodes, and much, much more.

The USA has accomplished more in science, technology, and every other area exponentially since 1920. Healthcare, economics, production, communication, transportation, every single area and it has all been since women have had the right to vote. The gains in the eras prior are miniscule to the gains in knowledge made in the last one hundred years. If you don't want to let women vote, move to one of the backwords countries that don't let women vote. That should be evidence enough of what happens. I don't hope you get raped in the ass--by ten men. In fact, God bless you all. God bless those that speak evil against women in this forum to degrade, sexualize and insult them. God have mercy on this country despite what we have become and restore the nation. Let Ron Paul win, Lord. AMEN!

[kotetu]

silly thread

[alicegardener]

I can't say what NEW Ron Paul supports this of the misogyny on this thread but I know what one OLD Ron Paul supporter thinks. I am having second thoughts about supporting Ron Paul. To work with people who are called kooks by enemies are one thing. To be called what some here call women by fellow supporters is something else.

[Matt Collins]

what kind of asswipe posts a poll like this?

this is just the kind of shit that get's ron paul's message relegated to the "Libertarian and Kooky" dung heap.

It's called a joke; try a laugh every once in a while...

[Buffalo Bruce]

Not funny. My wife who has spent hundreds of hours supporting Ron Paul is now sobbing and threatening to withdraw from the campaign feeling rejected. For what? What do you get out of chasing women from this campaign? This is about Ron Paul winning or the alternative. Get serious. Think about what you are doing with everything you do in this campaign. If you want to reject women, do it as part of your personal life. It has no place in the Ron Paul campaign.

[RPFTW!]

Hilarious thread! 10/10

[Buffalo Bruce]

An afterthought. Tonight on the Glenn Beck program, Glen Beck showed some video footage to Ron Paul during the commercial break of a hostile Ron Paul supporter. Glen Beck said he had been maligned and threatened by Ron Paul supporters. Ron Paul had to spend some of his valuable air time on the defensive to compensate for the excesses of some of his supporters. It was a waste of his time and put RP into a negative association. I assume you meant no harm but as the saying goes, "loose lips sink ships". Iowa is just seventeen days away. We don't get a second chance. We all have to focus. Idle discussions belong on other websites.

[jonahtrainer]

Not funny. My wife who has spent hundreds of hours supporting Ron Paul is now sobbing and threatening to withdraw from the campaign feeling rejected. For what? What do you get out of chasing women from this campaign? This is about Ron Paul winning or the alternative. Get serious. Think about what you are doing with everything you do in this campaign. If you want to reject women, do it as part of your personal life. It has no place in the Ron Paul campaign.


I'm not really sure how one can interpret the post to be meant to 'chase women out of the campaign.' But even if it were meant for that why not confront the question with a reasoned, rational, intellectual and composed remark? Crying and running away sure doesn't persuade very well. We are in a battle of ideas and to be effective we must be able to persuasively articulate our position. Most of all, don't take it personal as these are just ideas.

This reminds me of a case I had to present in law school that I was assigned but found personally morally repugnant. But I argued the case well and battered my opponent's arguments successfully and won the vote. Doesn't mean I agreed with my own position though ....

[apc3161]

It's called a joke; try a laugh every once in a while...

to Matt Collins

As I stated before, I believe every individual (male, female, gay, black, straight, white hispanic, etc) receives their rights because they are individuals and for no other reason.

I'm to try to say this nicely and respectfully. You must be one of the dumbest people on this planet.

Some jokes are not funny. This is ESPECIALLY the case here considering these facts.

1) Trolls lurk all over this forum, this is exactly the kind of stuff they love. They want to create tension amongst us.
2) The mainstream media refers to these forums all of the time. What do you think they are going to do if they see "30% of Ron Paul supporters don't believe women should have the right to vote." Considering they are just waiting for a reason to debunk this man, they must feel absolute bliss that you may have just given it to them

Right now our defense against idiotic and retarded ideas such as this one is this, "they don't represent the majority of RP supporters, most of us are quite normal and sane." Yet you go and pull this shit and ruin that.

Lets assume that 99% of those who voted "yes" either think suffrage=suffering or voted yes as a joke.

Do you think the trolls and media are going to care? Of course not. They are going to eat this stuff up.

And as for all the women who support RP, do you realize how many you might have alienated? Despite the fact that we KNOW the majority of his supporters are men and we need more women?

You sir, are a jackass, and an idiot who doesn't think more than 10 seconds into the future as to what the consequences of your actions might be and then when things go sour you just say, "lighten up it was a joke..."

-apc

[noxagol]

to Matt Collins

As I stated before, I believe every individual (male, female, gay, black, straight, white hispanic, etc) receives their rights because they are individuals and for no other reason.

I'm to try to say this nicely and respectfully. You must be one of the dumbest people on this planet.

Some jokes are not funny. This is ESPECIALLY the case here considering these facts.

1) Trolls lurk all over this forum, this is exactly the kind of stuff they love. They want to create tension amongst us.
2) The mainstream media refers to these forums all of the time. What do you think they are going to do if they see "30% of Ron Paul supporters don't believe women should have the right to vote." Considering they are just waiting for a reason to debunk this man, they must feel absolute bliss that you may have just given it to them

Right now our defense against idiotic and retarded ideas such as this one is this, "they don't represent the majority of RP supporters, most of us are quite normal and sane." Yet you go and pull this shit and ruin that.

Lets assume that 99% of those who voted "yes" either think suffrage=suffering or voted yes as a joke.

Do you think the trolls and media are going to care? Of course not. They are going to eat this stuff up.

And as for all the women who support RP, do you realize how many you might have alienated? Despite the fact that we KNOW the majority of his supporters are men and we need more women?

You sir, are a jackass, and an idiot who doesn't think more than 10 seconds into the future as to what the consequences of your actions might be and then when things go sour you just say, "lighten up it was a joke..."

-apc

I approve this message.

[ThePieSwindler]

Hmm.. isnt one of the big issues why our polling is so low due to the lack of women? Like in nh, 14% of men but only 3% of women. On the one hand, if we eliminated women, our polling numbers would be alot higher. On the other hand, the thought of even bringing this up probably isnt endearing us to women who might otherwise vote for ron paul, and will definately not bring that number up...

But of course im kidding. So long as there is democracy, i believe everyone should at least have equal access to it. Though, i believe democracy and even republics to some extent are immoral and ultiamte always lead to larger government and "faction", as the found put it, aka special interest. People will always vote for what helps them out, and will disreguard the rights of others. I think the problem is not womens suffrage, but suffrage in general, and democracy for that matter.

but of course, when given lemons, make lemonade. In this case, the lemonade is to elect Ron Paul.

[Chibioz]

This whole thread is a joke including my posts. If you were offended grow a backbone. Have a laugh, relax. No need to get your panties in a bunch. If you find this thread offensive I suggest you grow thicker skin or avoid all jokes in the future. This is a group where we believe in individual rights, to me it was pretty obvious an absurd topic like this was a joke a joke from the start.

[apc3161]

This whole thread is a joke including my posts. If you were offended grow a backbone. Have a laugh, relax. No need to get your panties in a bunch. If you find this thread offensive I suggest you grow thicker skin or avoid all jokes in the future. This is a group where we believe in individual rights, to me it was pretty obvious an absurd topic like this was a joke a joke from the start.

I wish we lived in a better world where people realize this was a joke, but its just not the case. Like I said, if the media sees this, they are going to eat it up. Thats the way campaigns are.

Obama got crap because apparently he told his kindergarten teacher that he wanted to be president one day. Imagine what this would do.

If you are going to do stupid jokes like this that is fine, but put A BIG F'ING DISCLAIMER IN THE TITLE, " THIS IS A JOKE, A SATIRE, COME UP WITH FUNNY RESPONSES"

[Matt Collins]

My wife who has spent hundreds of hours supporting Ron Paul is now sobbing and threatening to withdraw from the campaign feeling rejected.Over this thread?!?!!

Your wife needs to grow some thicker skin (and a sense of humor too).



If you want to reject women, do it as part of your personal life. It has no place in the Ron Paul campaign.Hello - it was a joke.

Geeze...

On the more serious objective side of things however I have heard theories that mention the country started going socialistic soon after women were allowed to vote. Whether or not there is any validity to them I honestly don't know.

[Matt Collins]

You must be one of the dumbest people on this planet.If you want to compare IQs the probability is such that I would most likely come out ahead.




Some jokes are not funny. That is an objective statement. There were many people here who found this funny. Some people even expanded on with serious and intelligent discussion. Others did not.


So while something might not be humorous to you, it might be humorous to others. That's objectivity


Lets assume that 99% of those who voted "yes" either think suffrage=suffering or voted yes as a joke.

Do you think the trolls and media are going to care? Of course not. They are going to eat this stuff up.Do you honestly think the media spends hours a day reading this place? HA! Don't kid yourself. I work for a major news organization, trust me, they don't.



And as for all the women who support RP, do you realize how many you might have alienated? How many? Please quantify it for me.



You sir, are a jackass, and an idiot And you are an impolite, rude, and close minded cretin.

[erin moore]

How many? Please quantify it for me.


And you are an impolite, rude, and close minded cretin.



Well, one. Geez, how immature and thoughtless. Ron would NOT approve.

[apc3161]

If you want to compare IQs the probability is such that I would most likely come out ahead.

Whatever lets you sleep at night...


That is an objective statement. There were many people here who found this funny. Some people even expanded on with serious and intelligent discussion. Others did not.

So while something might not be humorous to you, it might be humorous to others. That's objectivity

I'm sorry, I think you meant SUBJECTIVE. You might wanna go take that IQ test again.


Do you honestly think the media spends hours a day reading this place? HA! Don't kid yourself. I work for a major news organization, trust me, they don't.

Yes I do. How do I know that? BECAUSE THEY'VE SHOWED VIDEO OF THE FORUMS ON CNN, CBS, AND MSNBC!


How many? Please quantify it for me.

Out of spite I actually took the time to enlighten you on this retarded question of yours.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=20844&highlight=women ("I'm a female, but in our meet up I'm out numbered by about 7 to 1. " )

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=44919&highlight=women ("My RP Meetup group is 80% male.")

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=36250&highlight=women (Polling 12% among men, 2% among women)




And you are an impolite, rude, and close minded cretin.


Sorry. If I had an IQ as high as yours I would try and fix that but hey what can you do?

[Alex Libman]

Yes! Put them back to hand-washing our shirts and birthin' babies or the Islamistics win! ;)

[stm]

The USA has accomplished more in science, technology, and every other area exponentially since 1920. Healthcare, economics, production, communication, transportation, every single area and it has all been since women have had the right to vote. The gains in the eras prior are miniscule to the gains in knowledge made in the last one hundred years.

That's irrelevant.

The point is, Occidental societies which existed prior to 1920 accomplished just as much (if not more)* as Occidental societies do today, so really, your assertion that there's any kind of correlation between "accomplishments" and the "oppression" of women is absurd.

*Arguably, most of the accomplishments prior to 1920 were of far more achievement than those today, as they not only laid all the groundwork for today's technological/scientific advancements, but they did so without all of the technological luxuries which we have today (most of which are the result of the Industrial Revolution).

Furthermore, the fact that we've accomplished so much since 1920, has more to do with the Industrial Revolution than anything else. Industrialize any society which is already making significant advances in science and technology, and you'll see a drastic increase in those advancements.


If you don't want to let women vote, move to one of the backwords countries that don't let women vote. That should be evidence enough of what happens.

You mean like America during the time around 1789? If that's evidence of what happens, then count me in. :p

[stm]

In any event, as someone who voted "yes" (personally, I think that suffrage should ultimately be eliminated altogether), I have to say that this thread should really be closed/deleted.

[work2win]

I'm sure it's much more related to the decreasing number of pirates in the world than it is to women voting.

One of the few who get it. The connection between decreasing numbers of pirates and increasing socialism is an often concealed fact.

[merrimac]

New poll: How many people want this topic REMOVED?

I will vote yes on that one.

I don't equate topics that are designed to raise people's blood pressure with having fun.

Freedom of speech is paramount but if you want Ron Paul to win consider this: you have to assume that there are people every single day who are just learning about Ron Paul who come to these forums. What the hell do you think they're going to think when they find out that 30% (I know it's really way lower) or whatever Ron Paul supporters think women shouldn't vote?

My god, this seems like a no-brainer to me.

[SeanEdwards]

Anybody who takes this thread seriously must be crazy.


Or female.

:D

[literatim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j6uRi-QIcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ofEGfqfBd0

[erikm]

Despite the fact that the first largescale use of womens' US national voting power was to help push through Prohibition, I'm not in favor.

[Gordon]

Eliminate women's suffrage?



Of course I'm (mostly) joking. :p


But has anyone ever noticed that our country started to turn really socialistic when women began to vote?

Correlation does not always = causation, however I think the coincidence is interesting.


Thoughts?

Find your bollocks.

[PaleoForPaul]

Not funny. My wife who has spent hundreds of hours supporting Ron Paul is now sobbing and threatening to withdraw from the campaign feeling rejected.

Some people in this thread are having a legitimate discussion of women's suffrage, others are just kidding around. If you're wife's support of Ron Paul revolves around what 3 or 4 people on a message board say, she's doing more to support those that say women shouldn't vote.

[alicegardener]

Would rhose of you who think this is either a legitimate discussion or a big yuck, would you also think it were either legitimate or funny if we were polling whether or not blacks are too childlike and unintelligent to be full citizens and were probably more suited to slavery? I agree with Buffalo's wife, you guys are ruining my eagerness to work on this campaign and I've probably done as many hours as she has.

[stm]

Would rhose of you who think this is either a legitimate discussion or a big yuck, would you also think it were either legitimate or funny if we were polling whether or not blacks are too childlike and unintelligent to be full citizens and were probably more suited to slavery? I agree with Buffalo's wife, you guys are ruining my eagerness to work on this campaign and I've probably done as many hours as she has.

Well, tell me, do you think that it is disputable that men are on average much more prone to violence then women?

Personally, I think that women are much more prone to emotional reactions than men (which is really quite an endearing characteristic, if you ask me). The idea that that somehow makes women inferior, or not as good as men, is not only absolutely ridiculous, but is the truly misogynistic viewpoint on the matter. Yes, there is no notion in the world more patently misogynistic than the idea that women need to be exactly like men to be as "good" as them.

Truth is, men and women are NOT equal, but that is not to say that either of them are better than the other, but rather, that they both possess different (but equally positive) qualities which compliment each other.

[Matt Collins]

New poll: How many people want this topic REMOVED?

I will vote yes on that one.



I have to say that this thread should really be closed/deleted.


Wow... amazed at the censorship thought around here :(

[autobot]

Matt Collins you are trying to bring attention to yourself by posting things that hurt the campaign. That is why this thread should be moved to Hot Topics. Here again, Matt Collins, this thread went away and you brought it back. Clearly, you are here for motivations contrary those of us who would like to see Ron Paul elected.

[Finn]

I sense some circle jerking going on here.

Well done boys!

:rolleyes:

[autobot]

That's irrelevant.

The point is, Occidental societies which existed prior to 1920 accomplished just as much (if not more)* as Occidental societies do today, so really, your assertion that there's any kind of correlation between "accomplishments" and the "oppression" of women is absurd.

*Arguably, most of the accomplishments prior to 1920 were of far more achievement than those today, as they not only laid all the groundwork for today's technological/scientific advancements, but they did so without all of the technological luxuries which we have today (most of which are the result of the Industrial Revolution).

Furthermore, the fact that we've accomplished so much since 1920, has more to do with the Industrial Revolution than anything else. Industrialize any society which is already making significant advances in science and technology, and you'll see a drastic increase in those advancements.



You mean like America during the time around 1789? If that's evidence of what happens, then count me in. :p

Geez, I soundly defeated you on your last argument and so now you want to try again. You say that our society has flourished while societies that oppress women have to fight us with box cutters because they are that primitive is irrelevant?? Then you bring up Occidentals????????Perposterous!!!!! Irrelevancy exposed. Right Here, RIGHT NOW!!! YOU are crazy, of course, and probably more infuriating to you---YOU are irrelevant and you just exposed yourself with this Occidental society bs. Did they have computers, airplanes, plagues, low life expectancy, satelites, plumbing..............YOU ARE NOT LOGICAL.

[Finn]

Moderators, I have a question.

Is it ok for me to make a similar thread about gays, blacks, jews, etc? You know, their right to vote?

This thread is absolutely disgusting and it does hurt women whether you believe it or not. This thread is little boys suffering small penis and trying to hid it with so called joking.

[fortilite]

This thread may have started out as a joke, but it has grown into a full blown retarded thread.

[stm]

Geez, I soundly defeated you on your last argument and so now you want to try again.

Categorically incorrect.


You say that our society has flourished while societies that oppress women have to fight us with box cutters because they are that primitive is irrelevant??

What I'm saying is that "our society" (Western civilization, that is) has flourished historically, regardless of any supposed "oppression" of women.


Then you bring up Occidentals????????Perposterous!!!!! Irrelevancy exposed. Right Here, RIGHT NOW!!! YOU are crazy, of course, and probably more infuriating to you---YOU are irrelevant and you just exposed yourself with this Occidental society bs.

What the hell are you talking about? Occidental/Western/European civilization is central to this discussion.


Did they have computers, airplanes, plagues, low life expectancy, satelites, plumbing..............YOU ARE NOT LOGICAL.

Irrelevant.

[Matt Collins]

Matt Collins you are trying to bring attention to yourself by posting things that hurt the campaign. Clearly, you are here for motivations contrary those of us who would like to see Ron Paul elected.Not at all. How do you get to such a conclusion??? :confused:

And you are a troll.

[Matt Collins]

This thread may have started out as a joke, but it has grown into a full blown retarded thread.I actually agree with that.

[autobot]

"What I'm saying is that "our society" (Western civilization, that is) has flourished historically, regardless of any supposed "oppression" of women."




Our society flourishes more when women are given more rights. Yes Western civilization has always treated women better, and has reaped the benefits. More rights for women equals a better life for all. What don't you understand here?
Moms are the future of the country.

[LibertiORDeth]

I take (what I believe to be) a biblical view on this.

I believe that biblically a man is the head of the home, and is supposed to be the breadwinner, and the woman is to take care of the home and her children. The man should be the religious and political leader, although occasionally women have to take the lead when there are no men strong enough to do it.

[autobot]

Matt Collins is the OP he brings back a dead thread over and over. It is inappropriate and has no benefit except to bring himself attention. Matt Collins is fully responsible for this thread in every way. I will not allow women's suffrage to get railed against without a defense because that would not be in my interest as a women. Matt Collins has so many posts that are directed at bringing down women I can't believe you people think he is funny.

Only a fool believes his neighbor when he insults him and says "I am only joking"

I am not a fool, so I respond.

[autobot]

I take (what I believe to be) a biblical view on this.

I believe that biblically a man is the head of the home, and is supposed to be the breadwinner, and the woman is to take care of the home and her children. The man should be the religious and political leader, although occasionally women have to take the lead when there are no men strong enough to do it.

I agree with you on this, actually. But taking a mother's right to vote away and you will have a backwards society. Women were not created as less than man. She is cursed after the fall to be subject to men. So be careful because if you believe in the Bible the curse of fallen man will be lifted and that would include the one against Eve. Wisdom is a female attribute. This is why women make excellent judges. Let a man lead, because men resent women leaders, however, women need to be able to hold men accountable. Otherwise the next generations will suffer from having oppressed mothers.

[Finn]

Autobot, the OP is a total moron. His snidy little "I'm joking, but really like being serious a little bit" made it obvious right from the beginning.

Most know it as you can see in the poll.

[RonPaulRocksMyWorld]

This thread is a waste of time that could be better spent to get RP elected. People use your time wisely please we have so little left.

[Matt Collins]

Matt Collins is the OP he brings back a dead thread over and over. This thread was started 3 days ago, hardly "dead".


I will not allow women's suffrage to get railed against without a defense because that would not be in my interest as a women. That's perfectly ok. Post your thoughts, that's what this thread is here for. But attacking others while trying to pass it off as a serious statement is immature and rude.

If you have serious thoughts on women's suffrage, then please share.

My honest opinion which I have not shared yet is that I do think there is some merit to the theory that our socialistic expansion was due in part to women being able to vote (although I am not fully educated on the issue to be able to really discuss it - which is why I created the thread). But regardless I do not think that we should repeal suffrage for women.


Matt Collins has so many posts that are directed at bringing down women I can't believe you people think he is funny.Links?

That's absurd.:rolleyes:


I am not a fool, so I respond.No but I think you are a Feminazi.

[SeanEdwards]

I think suffrage should be denied to EVERYONE who has not served in the military. You shouldn't get a voice on policy unless you put your own flesh on the line to defend that policy.

*Puts on flame-proof undies*

[autobot]

For the two of you trying to argue with me I don't have the time to respond nor do I need to because the truth is obvious. Nice try but you all have been officially crushed in this thread by a woman. Maybe we should have a poll to see who won this thread. NOW that sounds fun!!!!:cool:

MOMs are GREAT!!!!!

I love women, and no, not like that. Women are wise, intelligent, good with words, thoughtful. I love to work with women because they are cooperative, creative and hard workers. I love to hang out with women because they are deep, spiritual beings. Women were made last, people. I just had to say something nice about women at the end of a thread that has been cruel.

[LibertiORDeth]

I agree with you on this, actually. But taking a mother's right to vote away and you will have a backwards society. Women were not created as less than man. She is cursed after the fall to be subject to men. So be careful because if you believe in the Bible the curse of fallen man will be lifted and that would include the one against Eve. Wisdom is a female attribute. This is why women make excellent judges. Let a man lead, because men resent women leaders, however, women need to be able to hold men accountable. Otherwise the next generations will suffer from having oppressed mothers.

I think I pretty much agree with this. Woman were MADE to keep the men in check.

[Matt Collins]

Nice try but you all have been officially crushed in this thread by a woman. Maybe we should have a poll to see who won this thread.Sounds like someone has an inferiority complex. :rolleyes:

[CelestialRender]

I really hope that all the yes votes were tongue in cheek.

[PaleoForPaul]

Our society flourishes more when women are given more rights. Yes Western civilization has always treated women better, and has reaped the benefits. More rights for women equals a better life for all.


American History didn't start in the 1900's. Sorry.


What don't you understand here?
Moms are the future of the country.

Mom's are the past of our country, children are the future of our country. I hope you aren't a mother.

[PaleoForPaul]

This thread is little boys suffering small penis and trying to hid it with so called joking.


It's sad that when people bring up actual statistics that rather than debate them you have to talk about their penis size.

Sounds like you're the little boy.

[PaleoForPaul]

My honest opinion which I have not shared yet is that I do think there is some merit to the theory that our socialistic expansion was due in part to women being able to vote (although I am not fully educated on the issue to be able to really discuss it - which is why I created the thread). But regardless I do not think that we should repeal suffrage for women.
.

It's pretty obvious if you look at the voting record. Like I said, every Republican since Nixon would have won if it weren't for the female vote.

Like you, I don't think we should repeal women's suffrage, but I find it amusing how you are being attacked for bringing up a legitimate point.

[autobot]

Quit your showing how bad you are at making arguments, boys, and go support Ron Paul.

[autobot]

It is men who are to blame for the socialistic government and entitlements that we have in this country. They are the ones who want the government to pay to feed and raise children that they abandon. It is the men who owe us taxpayers money. Women are doing far more for themselves than the men in this country. Women are the true libertarians because instead of dumping orphans on the state, they have been parenting.

Men who leave children dependant on welfare should be put in debtors prison or forced labor until the cost to the government of raising that child is paid off. And if it is a woman who leaves then, of course, she should be punished as well. How about that? Women who raise children alone are patriots and men that walk away are evil socialists that want everyone else to pay their way!!!!

[autobot]

Equal women's rights creates a great civilization...Why do you think that is the first thing we look at when nation building---DUH!! Or escaping the cycles of poverty in unstable countries........come on boys, get your thinking caps on.

The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.:cool:

[jondisx]

shut up

[MozoVote]

The western, libertarian states were the first to give women voting rights. It was the eastern establishment that had to be dragged along by a constitutional amendment.

[autobot]

shut up

Good one. I tried to get this thread stopped and put in Hot Topics right away, but people love to blame women for socialism. Apparently, even the MODS. However, it is men who have bankrupted this country by having babies paid for by the state. I need my own thread because someone needs to get this idea out there. It is not women... They are doing there part. It is men who are supposed to provide. It is the men of this country who are ripping us all off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Forcing women into dependancy on the STATE.


Debtors prison for Welfare Fathers.

[autobot]

Come on Matt Collins, you like to talk about having sexual relations with women you don't know. Perverts to Prison, I say...... They are putting this country in debt.

[jonahtrainer]

Moderators, I have a question.

Is it ok for me to make a similar thread about gays, blacks, jews, etc? You know, their right to vote?

This thread is absolutely disgusting and it does hurt women whether you believe it or not. This thread is little boys suffering small penis and trying to hid it with so called joking.

You can always stop reading it. An ad hominem argument does no one any help.

But it is interesting to note that homosexuals used to be executed under law in the American colonies. Think that was good public policy?

Here is some writing from one of my papers in law school for which I received a top grade in the class:


On the other hand, homosexual conduct has been criminal in all fifty states and during the colonial period practitioners were executed. Now these relationships are a protected liberty interest. Despite being unable to reproduce those engaged are to receive similar benefits as married heterosexual couples who often have, raise and care for children.

The execution reference comes from: Lawrence and Garner v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 597 (2003).


There are also records of 20 sodomy prosecutions and 4 executions during the colonial period. - Justice Scalia

[jonahtrainer]

However, it is men who have bankrupted this country by having babies paid for by the state.

How is this done? Last I checked makin' babies took two.

While I don't know the exact statistics, I seriously doubt that children resulting from rape account for that large of a burden on society to bankrupt it.

[autobot]

How is this done? Last I checked makin' babies took two.

While I don't know the exact statistics, I seriously doubt that children resulting from rape account for that large of a burden on society to bankrupt it.

Boy, you guys really don't read well.


Man and woman make a baby. Woman and state raise it and pay for it together.

Man leaves....Get it. When he leaves he creates a welfare society.

This is everyday in America and it is bankrupting us. Women are staying and paying their dues and the state picks up the slack for men.

Yes, there are exceptions. Sometimes the woman leaves, too and the child is an orphan. Then it is raised by the state completely until adopted. or forever.

[autobot]

You can always stop reading it. An ad hominem argument does no one any help.

But it is interesting to note that homosexuals used to be executed under law in the American colonies. Think that was good public policy?

Here is some writing from one of my papers in law school for which I received a top grade in the class:



The execution reference comes from: Lawrence and Garner v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 597 (2003).

- Justice Scalia

That has nothing to do with this thread. You must be one broke ass attorney, if you are one, because you do not have reading comprehesion skills. Perhaps you are elderly, in that case, I apologize.

[autobot]

It is men who are to blame for the socialistic government and entitlements that we have in this country. They are the ones who want the government to pay to feed and raise children that they abandon. It is the men who owe us taxpayers money. Women are doing far more for themselves than the men in this country. Women are the true libertarians because instead of dumping orphans on the state, they have been parenting.

Men who leave children dependant on welfare should be put in debtors prison or forced labor until the cost to the government of raising that child is paid off. And if it is a woman who leaves then, of course, she should be punished as well. How about that? Women who raise children alone are patriots and men that walk away are evil socialists that want everyone else to pay their way!!!!

It's so good I have to repost it. Dang. :D

[Matt Collins]

Come on Matt Collins, you like to talk about having sexual relations with women you don't know. Here is a hint.... MOST GUYS DO! :rolleyes:

[autobot]

Here is a hint.... MOST GUYS DO! :rolleyes:


ROFL, but most guys don't want to take away women's right to vote! So I leave them alone!! You, on the other hand, like to fight.

Make men pay for their own offspring and women will no longer vote for social programs.........Come on, I know you guys are smart enough to realize I am on to something. Let's all give Autobot a break just this one time and tell her that she's right. Come on. I have a good point here. Of course, I exagerate a little but a girl's gotta make a point.

Give Autobot some love............ Come on,,, Where is the LOVE????

[Matt Collins]

most guys don't want to take away women's right to vote! And neither do I.



Give Autobot some love............ Come on,,, Where is the LOVE????Pic? :D

[autobot]

I'm married........LOL and he's successful and known around here. I live in Vegas so I am used to guys that keep hitting on you after you tell them you are married, and a mom. What is it with men?

Stop being pervy and admit I am right

Perverts to Prison...........its so catchy!!!!:D

[Matt Collins]

I'm married........I knew I was wasting my time...


Stop being pervy and admit I am right Yup... definitely a feminazi :(