Now even the "OFFICIAL" polls are putting RP into TOP TIER!!

[TheEvilDetector]

From: http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/29339/ron_paul_cannot_catch_democrats_in_us_race

"Angus Reid Global Monitor : Polls & Research
Ron Paul Cannot Catch Democrats in U.S. Race
December 14, 2007

Abstract: (Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton holds a large lead over Republican Ron Paul in the early stages of the 2008 United States presidential election, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. 49 per cent of respondents would vote for the New York senator, while 37 per cent would back the Texas congressman.

(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton holds a large lead over Republican Ron Paul in the early stages of the 2008 United States presidential election, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. 49 per cent of respondents would vote for the New York senator, while 37 per cent would back the Texas congressman.

Support for Rodham Clinton in this match-up increased by one point since early October, while backing for Paul fell by one point. In a separate contest, Paul trails Illinois senator Barack Obama by 19 points.

Paul officially announced his candidacy in March. In 1988, Paul ran for president as a Libertarian Party candidate, garnering 0.5 per cent of the vote.

On Dec. 11, Paul expressed dismay at the current administration’s position on international affairs, writing, "Our badly misguided foreign policy has already driven this country’s economy to the brink of bankruptcy with one war based on misinformation. It is unthinkable that despite the lack of any evidence of a threat, some are still charging headstrong into yet another war in the Middle East when what we ought to be doing is coming home from Iraq, coming home from Korea, coming home from Germany, and defending our own soil."

In American elections, candidates require 270 votes in the Electoral College to win the White House. In November 2004, Republican George W. Bush earned a second term after securing 286 electoral votes from 31 states. Democratic nominee John Kerry received 252 electoral votes from 19 states and the District of Columbia.

Bush is ineligible for a third term in office. The next presidential election is scheduled for November 2008.

[polling data followed, see link]"

[Scott Wilson]

This simply goes to show that many American's want socialism.

[0zzy]

This simply goes to show that many American's want socialism.

Or don't know much about Paul.

[PMatt]

Those polls don't matter. Most don't know who Ron Paul is, but that will change if he gets the nomination.

[Brad Zink]

It's great that the mainstream pollsters are putting Dr. Paul in the top tier. I would add that if Dr. Paul got into a race against Hillary, he would win in a landslide.

Could you imagine a debate where Dr. Paul gets the chance to go one-on-one against a socialist establishment figure like her? He would clean her clock, and the American people would finally see what a real statesman looks like!

[wgadget]

It simply knows that Hillary has name recognition and they don't know anything about Paul...yet.

[qednick]

If RP got as much media attention as the others it would be a landslide!!

[jd603]

nah they are tainted by the idea of a icky "republican" in office. If Ron wins nomination, people will be forced to take a closer look and learn he's no BUSH , and that republicans aren't so Icky.



This simply goes to show that many American's want socialism.

[Starks]

I don't perceive Hillary's agenda as socialism. I consider it super-progressivism. I honestly believe that she means well with her universal health care and other plans.

[sharedvoice]

He is the closest thing we have to Defeat the Hitlery machine.

[integrity]

I don't perceive Hillary's agenda as socialism. I consider it super-progressivism. I honestly believe that she means well with her universal health care and other plans.


the road to hell is paved with good intentions like hitlerys. She is NWO scum, not much different than Giuliani.......

[plp]

I don't perceive Hillary's agenda as socialism. I consider it super-progressivism. I honestly believe that she means well with her universal health care and other plans.

With all due respect, read the Clinton's history about the first time they used the health care tactic to get Bill elected. The final bill was so bad, Ted Kennedy voted against it.

They have NO intention of providing national health care, but they know it is a useful scare tactic and can conjure up visions of children dying in the streets because there is nobody to provide for them.

Don't get fooled again.

[Carole]

Have you considered that this is being put out to discourage Ron Paul supporters and voters?

In other words, it is yet another tactic maybe for the Neocon GOP?

[Bison]

Why should this be discouraging? They have him at 37% vs Hillary and we would have until November to close the gap and overtake her in the polls and ultimately on the only poll that really matters, the election.

[jgmaynard]

It utterly ignores that fact that nearly everyone knows Hill, and only 51% of people have heard of the good doctor. Even if we do as badly as 3rd in Iowa and 2nd in NH, the name recognition factor would go out of the window. Ron would dominate Hill in a general election - he can go to the left of her on the war and civil liberties and to the right of her on spending and taxes. :)

JM

[argounova]

It's great that the mainstream pollsters are putting Dr. Paul in the top tier. I would add that if Dr. Paul got into a race against Hillary, he would win in a landslide.

Could you imagine a debate where Dr. Paul gets the chance to go one-on-one against a socialist establishment figure like her? He would clean her clock, and the American people would finally see what a real statesman looks like!

AGREED!

[argounova]

the road to hell is paved with good intentions like hitlerys. She is NWO scum, not much different than Giuliani.......

the good doctor put it best: No matter how well intentioned, an authoritarian government always abuses its powers.

[StephenTC]

Wait what.... The review was clearly trying to wipe paul off the competitive map with the title... But it said Hillary-49%, R. Paul-37% ... for this point in the campaign, when hilllary is the MSM front-runner and RPaul is the grassroots front-runner, that's pretty darn good!! heya ya!

[Thomas Paine]

Hillary would get spanked in a Hillary v Paul matchup. She voted for the Iraq War while Paul voted against it. I daresay not even the Kossites could support her over a genuine anti-Iraq war candidate like Paul and certainly the neocon wing of the GOP won't support Billary.

[Brian in Maryland]

I don't perceive Hillary's agenda as socialism. I consider it super-progressivism. I honestly believe that she means well with her universal health care and other plans.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

"The duck test is a form of inductive reasoning. A person can figure out the true nature of an unknown subject by observing this subject's readily identifiable traits."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test

"Socialism is a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community for the purposes of increasing social and economic equality and cooperation.[1] This control may be either direct, exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils, or indirect, exercised on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by state or community ownership of the means of production."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

[Proemio]

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

"The duck test is a form of inductive reasoning. A person can figure out the true nature of an unknown subject by observing this subject's readily identifiable traits."


It so good, it works both ways - even in political forums.
It's particularly effective when a gaggle of hens try to pass for being ducks...

Highly recommended!

[justinc.1089]

From: http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/29339/ron_paul_cannot_catch_democrats_in_us_race

"Angus Reid Global Monitor : Polls & Research
Ron Paul Cannot Catch Democrats in U.S. Race
December 14, 2007

Abstract: (Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton holds a large lead over Republican Ron Paul in the early stages of the 2008 United States presidential election, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. 49 per cent of respondents would vote for the New York senator, while 37 per cent would back the Texas congressman.

(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton holds a large lead over Republican Ron Paul in the early stages of the 2008 United States presidential election, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. 49 per cent of respondents would vote for the New York senator, while 37 per cent would back the Texas congressman.

Support for Rodham Clinton in this match-up increased by one point since early October, while backing for Paul fell by one point. In a separate contest, Paul trails Illinois senator Barack Obama by 19 points.

Paul officially announced his candidacy in March. In 1988, Paul ran for president as a Libertarian Party candidate, garnering 0.5 per cent of the vote.

On Dec. 11, Paul expressed dismay at the current administration’s position on international affairs, writing, "Our badly misguided foreign policy has already driven this country’s economy to the brink of bankruptcy with one war based on misinformation. It is unthinkable that despite the lack of any evidence of a threat, some are still charging headstrong into yet another war in the Middle East when what we ought to be doing is coming home from Iraq, coming home from Korea, coming home from Germany, and defending our own soil."

In American elections, candidates require 270 votes in the Electoral College to win the White House. In November 2004, Republican George W. Bush earned a second term after securing 286 electoral votes from 31 states. Democratic nominee John Kerry received 252 electoral votes from 19 states and the District of Columbia.

Bush is ineligible for a third term in office. The next presidential election is scheduled for November 2008.

[polling data followed, see link]"

That poll is bullshit. I clearly remember Ron Paul being the ONLY republican polling ahead of Clinton a month or so ago with 54% to her 46%, where as the other republicans fell about 4% behind her at best.

Now that they know Paul may win the nomination, they're slandering these types of polls too so that they can use those against Paul too. In other words give off the idea that if you vote for Paul you're voting to lose to Clinton, which is absolutely not true.

That really, really pisses me off that they screw polls like that and claim they're fact.:mad: