I am watching the ITR/ICA forum on C-SPAN right now.

[LastoftheMohicans]

C-SPAN is running the ITR/ICA forum right now. ITR chairman David Stanley is speaking right now. He's talking about Jefferson, the Constitution, taxpayers rights and repealing the 16th Amendment (although he is promoting the FairTax). I feel like I'm am going to vomit.

I don't think they are going to show the Ron Paul Rally after. If they don't, I'll repost so that we can contact C-SPAN.

[LibertyEagle]

Integrity in government, high morality???? Liberty, law.....

Yeah, right.

[LibertyEagle]

I wonder if we'll get to hear the Ron Paul train entering the building later?

[LastoftheMohicans]

The ICA guy just said they are going to host house parties across Iowa in 2007. Each one will feature or focus one presidential candidate.

[LibertyEagle]

That's just so Christian of him to exclude Ron Paul. He must have a different version of the Bible than I do.

[LastoftheMohicans]

It is now about 8:30 PM EST. Each of the 6 candidates get 30 minutes. That's 3 hours. Plus some closing remarks. The forum will end about 11:45 PM EST. C-SPAN has an event scheduled for around midnight. Bottom line. NO RON PAUL!!

[LibertyEagle]

Ok... don't get mad, GET EVEN!

If you haven't already signed up to join the crew who are calling delegates in Iowa, please do. Here's the link you need. Just read the 1st message in the thread and contact them.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=5537

Note: If you are hesitating to join in this effort because you do not have a land line, it looks like they are also doing a letter writing campaign.

Everyone, please join this effort.

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

Poor Tommy...

[MozoVote]

Favoritism among the other media does not surprise me, but I would expect better of C-SPAN.

[Original_Intent]

This is must see TV! Tommy Thompson is getting applause from like 20-40 people every few minutes! As long as he pauses long enough for the guys to flash the applause signs.

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

This is must see TV! Tommy Thompson is getting applause from like 20-40 people every few minutes! As long as he pauses long enough for the guys to flash the applause signs.

Tommy is killin me right now!!!

What is he talkin about? Seriously!!!

This guy was a governor?

Ok, i'll stop. getting too mean.

[LibertyEagle]

He's a friggin' moron. The story about his underwear and WalMart. Tommy Thompson, the "chipper" President.

http://www.spychips.com/press-releases/tommy-thompson-pres-bid.html

[Original_Intent]

Now he is talking about his underwear. Barf bags are being supplied to the attendees.

[richard1984]

Tommy is killin me right now!!!

What is he talkin about? Seriously!!!

This guy was a governor?

Ok, i'll stop. getting too mean.

It's not like you're off base, though. You're very right.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

It is now about 8:30 PM EST. Each of the 6 candidates get 30 minutes. That's 3 hours. Plus some closing remarks. The forum will end about 11:45 PM EST. C-SPAN has an event scheduled for around midnight. Bottom line. NO RON PAUL!!

Maybe they edited down the forum to save room for RP???? Let's withhold our judgment until we see if they include him.

[richard1984]

Maybe they edited down the forum to save room for RP???? Let's withhold our judgment until we see if they include him.

Do you really think they will?

Was C-SPAN at the Ron Paul forum?

[LibertyEagle]

I honestly cannot believe they invited this guy and left out Ron Paul. The man who has never voted for a tax increase and has never voted for an unbalanced budget.

[LastoftheMohicans]

Maybe they edited down the forum to save room for RP???? Let's withhold our judgment until we see if they include him.

I am holding out hope but I don't think there is much room for editing. I doubt any of the 6 candidates will not use all their time.

[LibertyEagle]

I'm not believing this. How is it OUR right to dictate how IRAQ's oil revenue is divided up? What hubris.

[dmitchell]

I don't know what you all have against Tommy Thompson, I think he's a decent guy. I would place him in the top half of the Republican candidates. (I'm talking about character here, not necessarily policy.)

[LibertyEagle]

Check into his push for microchipping all Americans? If not, you might want to do that.

Here you go...

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22tommy+thompson%22%2C+verichip&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

or just google "Tommy Thompson", verichip

[Original_Intent]

ITR lobbies for tax breaks for corporations. They are not the friend of taxpayers.

Back to Tommy: This is the second or third time I have heard his plan to split up the oil revenues of Iraq, someone needs to explain to him that dividing up the income of another country is not the job of the POTUS.

[Original_Intent]

I'm not believing this. How is it OUR right to dictate how IRAQ's oil revenue is divided up? What hubris.

HEAR HEAR

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

I'm not believing this. How is it OUR right to dictate how IRAQ's oil revenue is divided up? What hubris.

I was just thinking the same damn thing... When Thompson was saying that, I was scratching my head like: "What?"

I guess we should let China tell us how we should divide our corn and wheat...



O WAIT! We have the World Trade Organization to tell us how to do that.

[LastoftheMohicans]

I don't know what you all have against Tommy Thompson, I think he's a decent guy. I would place him in the top half of the Republican candidates. (I'm talking about character here, not necessarily policy.)

I don't think he is a bad guy. But he has been a politician from the time he was about 25. He's 65 now.

[LibertyEagle]

Oh PUKE! His ending.................

Not a bad guy??? He wants to microchip all Americans! To me, that makes him a VERY bad guy!

[LibertyEagle]

No other candidate can make that pledge, eh? Dr. Paul wants to toss out whole agencies.

[dmitchell]

OK, I'm looking at the issues on his website and I don't see much I agree with. But at least he's a real human being unlike Romney and Fred Thompson, and at least he isn't a psycho like Giuliani, Brownback, and Huckabee.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

I don't know if my stomach can handle watching this forum. Will someone with a stronger constitution tell me if there is any mention of Ron Paul? I wouldn't mind seeing what Tancredo has to say either. Speak up when he's coming on. (I don't trust Tancredo on a lot of things, but have more respect for him than most of the rest.)

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

No other candidate can make that pledge, eh? Dr. Paul wants to toss out whole agencies.

He's talking about 3% this 3% that... PHSSSSSSTT!!!

GET RID OF THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL DEPARTMENTS!

That will really save the tax payer money. Not cutting the budget by 3%. Whoopty freakin doo...

[LastoftheMohicans]

Oh PUKE! His ending.................

Not a bad guy??? He wants to microchip all Americans! To me, that makes him a VERY bad guy!

I wasn't aware of the microchipping thing. I believe you but can you direct me to some documentation. Thanks.

[Original_Intent]

ITR lobbies for tax breaks for corporations. They are not the friend of taxpayers.

Back to Tommy: This is the second or third time I have heard his plan to split up the oil revenues of Iraq, someone needs to explain to him that dividing up the income of another country is not the job of the POTUS.

OK here is his campaign's contact info:

To contact a member of the Tommy Thompson for President campaign, please email info@tommy2008.com or call (515) 422-5100 .

I am calling and acting interested but I am going to ask them how the POTUS divides up another countries income???

[LibertyEagle]

OK, I'm looking at the issues on his website and I don't see much I agree with. But at least he's a real human being unlike Romney and Fred Thompson, and at least he isn't a psycho like Giuliani, Brownback, and Huckabee.

Did you read what I said about him wanting to microchip all American citizens? Google "Tommy Thompson", verichip

[LibertyEagle]

I wasn't aware of the microchipping thing. I believe you but can you direct me to some documentation. Thanks.

I already have twice.

Google "Tommy Thompson", verichip

[LastoftheMohicans]

I don't know if my stomach can handle watching this forum. Will someone with a stronger constitution tell me if there is any mention of Ron Paul? I wouldn't mind seeing what Tancredo has to say either. Speak up when he's coming on. (I don't trust Tancredo on a lot of things, but have more respect for him than most of the rest.)

My stomach is strong enough to watch so I'm just listening. I used to think Tancredo was something of a straight-shooter (even though he is a middle of the road statist). But I lost respect for him when he took a cheap shot at Ron Paul in the SC debate.

[LibertyEagle]

I don't know if my stomach can handle watching this forum. Will someone with a stronger constitution tell me if there is any mention of Ron Paul? I wouldn't mind seeing what Tancredo has to say either. Speak up when he's coming on. (I don't trust Tancredo on a lot of things, but have more respect for him than most of the rest.)

If I'm still watching at that time, I'll either PM you or start a new thread that he's on. Don't totally count on me though. I'm not sure how long I can stomach this either.

[dmitchell]

Did you read what I said about him wanting to microchip all American citizens? Google "Tommy Thompson", verichip
I'm looking at it now. I see that he left the VeriChip board of directors earlier this year. I'm not yet seeing anything about making the RFID chips compulsory; I don't really oppose the idea if it isn't compulsory. If you want to implant something in yourself, be my guest.

[LastoftheMohicans]

Huckabee's on now. He'll be done at app. 9:30 PM EST. I put my realplayer on mute. I can't stand this guy.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

I'm looking at it now. I see that he left the VeriChip board of directors earlier this year. I'm not yet seeing anything about making the RFID chips compulsory; I don't really oppose the idea if it isn't compulsory. If you want to implant something in yourself, be my guest.

That's how it starts. That's how it always starts. Vaccinations used to be elective.

[damijin]

To anyone getting all up in arms in this thread-

On Washington Journal, monday morning, they SPECIFICALLY SAID HE WOULD BE ON TONIGHT. Withhold your outrage, lets see if it actually comes on or not.

If not, call in to WJ tomorrow morning and "WTF?" at them.

[Chester Copperpot]

C-SPAN is running the ITR/ICA forum right now. ITR chairman David Stanley is speaking right now. He's talking about Jefferson, the Constitution, taxpayers rights and repealing the 16th Amendment (although he is promoting the FairTax). I feel like I'm am going to vomit.

I don't think they are going to show the Ron Paul Rally after. If they don't, I'll repost so that we can contact C-SPAN.

I WANT TO HEAR THE RON PAUL CHANTING..

[MozoVote]

If C-SPAN does not air this tape, we should all meet at a videobloggers house, and serially address our complaints on camera, then post it on YouTube.

[richard1984]

To anyone getting all up in arms in this thread-

On Washington Journal, monday morning, they SPECIFICALLY SAID HE WOULD BE ON TONIGHT. Withhold your outrage, lets see if it actually comes on or not.

Cool. I didn't know they said that.

and

If not, call in to WJ tomorrow morning and "WTF?" at them.

HA!!! "'WTF?' at them"!! That's hilarious! :D

[Lord Xar]

well? did they show Ron Paul?

I can't believe this blatant omission. How can anybody think this is okay?

Anybody contact c-span?

[ChrisM]

well? did they show Ron Paul?

I can't believe this blatant omission. How can anybody think this is okay?

Anybody contact c-span?
I think Brownback is on now. It's going to go on for a while.

[LastoftheMohicans]

Brownback's talking about restraining Federal spending. That's a Republican euphemism (I had to look up the spelling for that one) for increasing spending a little less than the Democrats want to. They act as though spending increases all by itself.

[LibertyEagle]

I'm looking at it now. I see that he left the VeriChip board of directors earlier this year. I'm not yet seeing anything about making the RFID chips compulsory; I don't really oppose the idea if it isn't compulsory. If you want to implant something in yourself, be my guest.

Well, he has proposed it be mandatory for all Americans.

I'm watching this right now... if I remember, I'll try to find it for you later.

This is not what I was talking about, but here he indicates that he believes they will be a good idea for people to have these chips"

"Thompson predicted that people eventually will overcome their skepticism about having a chip implanted. The chip "will prevent babies from being picked up by the wrong people in a maternity ward and make sure people in nursing homes don't walk away," he said.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47853

It is voluntary NOW, but how long will that last? Right now, there is talk of "tamper proof" National ID cards. Most any techie will tell you, there is no such thing as "tamper proof". Well, voila, injectable microchips.

For me, I wouldn't even think of voting for someone who advocated these microchips. No way; no how.

[LibertyEagle]

They talk about reducing income taxes, but they say nothing about the inflation tax. I also haven't noticed anyone talking about getting out of debt.

[richard1984]

Ron Paul is the only politician I have ever heard give a straight answer.

[LastoftheMohicans]

It's funny how C-SPAN gives Gordon Brown and the British House of Commons more airtime than Ron Paul.

[CJLauderdale4]

Ron Paul is the only politician I have ever heard give a straight answer.

This is why it was so easy to convince my own wife (the skeptic by nature) that Ron Paul was legit. She saw his answers, his knowledge, and his message, and is now fully on board.

It's so easy to the facade these guys put on when you compare them to Ron Paul....:rolleyes:

[richard1984]

If you wanna wear shit around your wrist, get a Sam Brownback wristband! :rolleyes:

[LibertyEagle]

Yeah, that's the real reason he wasn't invited to this event.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

He talked about the REASON he would veto "stem cell research" is because life is sacred. Yeah, yeah, I know. But the REASON to veto it is because the fed govt has no business conducting research the private sector can conduct. These guys just don't get it.

[richard1984]

He talked about the REASON he would veto "stem cell research" is because life is sacred. Yeah, yeah, I know. But the REASON to veto it is because the fed govt has no business conducting research the private sector can conduct. These guys just don't get it.

Totally.

And someone should throw some food at the guy talking now--president of the ITR.

[Original_Intent]

He talked about the REASON he would veto "stem cell research" is because life is sacred. Yeah, yeah, I know. But the REASON to veto it is because the fed govt has no business conducting research the private sector can conduct. These guys just don't get it.

Yeah he says life is sacred in the womb, life is sacred in Darfur, I would have loved to ask him how about life in Bahgdad.

[LibertyEagle]

Watching this thing is making me mad that RP was excluded, all over again. Now, watching this hypocrite Schieffler talk about his Christian values. Yeah, right!

[richard1984]

Oh Lord...here we go.... It's Mitt. (BTW, what the hell kind of name is 'Mitt'?)

[Original_Intent]

Wow Mitt got a musical intro. Very nice. and the fam gets to talk isnt that special.

He should be a news anchor or something he is a decent clothes horse and remembers his talking points.

[LibertyEagle]

Critical election.... blah, blah, blah.

Yeah, WE KNOW MITT! That's why we're working for Ron Paul!

----------------

Now, I guess we're going to have the scare tactic session. What do you think, Mitt? Nuke 'em all?

[richard1984]

He just called his son ugly on stage.... pitiful.


Also, do you know how awkward it would have been if Dr. Paul had been invited? I don't think anyone would know how to respond. It wouldn't register. "Duhh...." head scratching...crickets....

[Original_Intent]

LOL


"I became a Democrat.....errr uh I mean I became governor"


LOL Freud's a bitch, ain't it?

[LibertyEagle]

Either that, or the other ones would come off looking like the charletans that they are.

[richard1984]

Ha! Ever notice how any time these guys say anything that (if isolated from the rest of their words) would sound like support for Ron Paul? Like Mitty just said something like, "We need new people in the White House." "Washington needs to change." "Blah blah blah." You know what I'm sayin?

[richard1984]

Notice the despondence of the crowd when they clapped?

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

"They'll take that money (that the military is spending in Iraq) and spend it on social programs"

That's OUR money. My money. Belongs in MY pocket. Mitt, you're a socialist piece of caca.

[LibertyEagle]

President 'Bush has "kept us safe". Of course he's ripped our Constitution to shreds, but nevermind that.......................

[LibertyEagle]

"They'll take that money (that the military is spending in Iraq) and spend it on social programs"

That's OUR money. My money. Belongs in MY pocket. Mitt, you're a socialist piece of caca.

Exactly, it's like it doesn't dawn on anyone that the money doesn't HAVE to be spent.

[mport1]

Yay, for an amendment banning gay marriage!

[LibertyEagle]

Where's my violin....

How about getting the government's friggin' nose OUT OF OUR BUSINESS AND LIVES?

[mport1]

Oh shut up. Flag, patriotism, liberty, blah blah blah

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

I have even less respect for this guy than I did before, if that's possible. Flag waving, telling them what they want to hear. Puke!!!!!!

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

How can anyone TRUST what this guy says, pledge or no pledge? He's been all over the place on every issue. He DID raise taxes as governor, something like $5 million in "fees" which are taxes.

Now he's tinkering further with an already muddy tax code. We need less tax code, not more. In fact, we need zero tax code.

[LibertyEagle]

He's been claiming he hasn't vetted the Fair Tax for the last couple of debates. When the hell is he going to do it?

[mport1]

He's been claiming he hasn't vetted the Fair Tax for the last couple of debates. When the hell is he going to do it?
I'm sure he doesn't want to say one way or the other so he doesn't lose any supporters.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

He's been claiming he hasn't vetted the Fair Tax for the last couple of debates. When the hell is he going to do it?

After the election, when he'll say he needs to raise taxes to pay for the war AND social programs AND the entitlements he just promised he wouldn't gut.

[LibertyEagle]

How can anyone TRUST what this guy says, pledge or no pledge?

I don't know... nice hair?

I watched a focus group on CSPAN earlier today. At one point, each member was asked what they thought was the most important thing in a President. One guy actually said... CHARISMA! I just sat here with my mouth open.

[mport1]

So what about single parents?

[LastoftheMohicans]

He just endorsed Federal funding of stem cell research that doesn't involve embryos (sp?).

[mport1]

Haha, treating everybody equally.

[LastoftheMohicans]

I think it is wrapping up and it's only 10:45PM EST.

[richard1984]

I think it is wrapping up and it's only 10:45PM EST.

That's what I was about to say.

The C-SPAN TV schedule says that this is going to go on till 11:52. So what's gonna happen next...?

[richard1984]

Shoot.... Nevermind....

*grrrrr* :mad:

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Crap. Oh well, I'll see what Tancredo has to say. But this is about all I can take. If it's not RP, I don't see myself voting GOP for Prez for the first time in my voting life.

[LastoftheMohicans]

Sorry. Wishful thinking. Trying to give C-SPAN the benefit of the doubt. Tancredo's on now.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Okay, raised two children, that was a funny.

[johnrocks]

Crap. Oh well, I'll see what Tancredo has to say. But this is about all I can take. If it's not RP, I don't see myself voting GOP for Prez for the first time in my voting life.

I concur, it will be 3rd party for me if Ron does not get the nomination, either that or I will go fishing:mad:

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

I can tolerate Tancredo... He's okay compared to the other shills running for the GOP nomination.

[mport1]

I concur, it will be 3rd party for me if Ron does not get the nomination, either that or I will go fishing:mad:

Go Libertarian, not fishing.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

So far, he's not bad. Trust what he's saying more than I do the other's I heard.

But Ron Paul wouldn't have to look at notes to speak. Ron Paul just opens his mouth and the truth rolls out.

[LastoftheMohicans]

Crap. Oh well, I'll see what Tancredo has to say. But this is about all I can take. If it's not RP, I don't see myself voting GOP for Prez for the first time in my voting life.

With RP, this would be my first time every voting for a Republican (or Democrat) for any office. I voted Libertarian in 92 and 96. I skipped 2000 after being turned off to politics. I could have and would have voted for RP in '88. But it was my first time eligible to vote and I was apolitical.

[johnrocks]

Go Libertarian, not fishing.

That's what I meant by 3rd party(I am registered libertarian):)

[mport1]

That's what I meant by 3rd party(I am registered libertarian):)

Good, and everybody else should do the same if RP drops out. We must continue to carry forth the Libertarian message for the sake of this country.

[richard1984]

Do you think that if Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination, that maybe it might maybe run as the third party candidate (perhaps Libertarian). If he does, I betcha he would put up a fight! I can almost seeing him winning, since Ron Paul supporters are by far the most passionate supporters in America!

[LastoftheMohicans]

When exactly did conservative politicians (not you good conservatives in this forum) run on and govern on principle?

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Do you think that if Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination, that maybe it might maybe run as the third party candidate (perhaps Libertarian). If he does, I betcha he would put up a fight! I can almost seeing him winning, since Ron Paul supporters are by far the most passionate supporters in America!

The media wouldn't cover him. He wouldn't be in any debates. He'd get zero mention in anything whatsoever. He'd do a little better than past LP candidates, but the media wouldn't even give him Ross Perot treatment. We gotta get him the GOP nomination. That's the only way.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Tancredo is getting in some digs on Romney.

[LastoftheMohicans]

Do you think that if Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination, that maybe it might maybe run as the third party candidate (perhaps Libertarian). If he does, I betcha he would put up a fight! I can almost seeing him winning, since Ron Paul supporters are by far the most passionate supporters in America!


At least a couple keystrokes can change the campaign literature from Republican to Libertarian.

[LibertyEagle]

Tom's doing well. GO TOM GO!

[johnrocks]

I registered Republican on my 18th B day and was Republican until March and I was so disgusted with Bush and the Rep. party that I registered Libertarian. I will need to check and see if I can vote in our Presidential Primary for Paul though so I may need to reregister as Rep. for a few days. We are an open primary state in geneal elections but I am not sure about party primaries. Anyone know about Louisiana or where I could check on web? I know I can call registrar of voters but I always get busy and forget.

[LastoftheMohicans]

The media wouldn't cover him. He wouldn't be in any debates. He'd get zero mention in anything whatsoever. He'd do a little better than past LP candidates, but the media wouldn't even give him Ross Perot treatment. We gotta get him the GOP nomination. That's the only way.

I agree. GOP or bust. I NEVER thought I'd say that.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

I don't see Ron Paul on this schedule, folks: http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp

Hope we're not sitting through this for nothing.

[LastoftheMohicans]

Tancredo is just proposing more government. Just with a populist bent.

[RPatTheBeach]

I'm turning off my TV so as to not give it ratings. I guess I'll just catch the YouTube version if it does make it on.

[MozoVote]

If C-SPAN skipped both the IFTR forum and Ron Paul, it would not be *too* insulting. For them to have RP tape and exclude him, while showing the IFTR... now *that* is insulting.

[Dary]

Feed me baby. I'm hungry.

[atilla]

If C-SPAN skipped both the IFTR forum and Ron Paul, it would not be *too* insulting. For them to have RP tape and exclude him, while showing the IFTR... now *that* is insulting.
maybe they are saving ron paul for saturday night when more people will watch, everyone but ron paul fanatics are out busting fireworks right now.

tancredo talked about fighting "islamic fascism", his campaign manager bay buchanon needs to take him over to her brothers house for an "intervention".

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

Tancredo just said the state has a roll in affirming marriage...

I don't see that in the Constitution anywhere Tom Tancredo... I respect Tancredo, but I whole heartdly DISagree with him on that.

[mport1]

lol, thousand of miles of fence...great

[richard1984]

I don't like the idea of walls or fences. It just reminds me of things like the Burlin Wall. And there's no way it would be as cool as the Great Wall of China.

I just don't like the idea of being fenced in. (cause, you know, fences work on both sides)

[Dary]

Tancredo just said the state has a roll in affirming marriage...

I don't see that in the Constitution anywhere Tom Tancredo... I respect Tancredo, but I whole heartdly DISagree with him on that.

Cats and dogs sleeping together. The horror!

There goes Federalism.

[LibertyEagle]

I still can't believe they just excluded Ron Paul. THIS in America. So sad.

[LibertyEagle]

I'm FOR the fence. At least in high-traffic areas, so the border patrol can focus better.

[MozoVote]

I don't like the idea of walls or fences. It just reminds me of things like the Berlin Wall. And there's no way it would be as cool as the Great Wall of China.

I just don't like the idea of being fenced in. (cause, you know, fences work on both sides)

Maybe you should wander into the immigration thread and tangle with Mr. Collins. LOL It's a fact of coalition building though, that we have to find people that agree with us on *enough* issues.

I honestly think the real reason RP faces so much cold shoulder from the party is that it is *desperate* to avoid another 1912 or 1964 where it broke into bitter factions.

[damijin]

I'll be calling WJ tomorrow if they don't have the rally on tonight as they explicitly said they would. I suggest all of you do the same.

[LibertyEagle]

Shouldn't the Ron Paul train be coming in very soon? I wonder if we'll hear them.

[MozoVote]

I still can't believe they just excluded Ron Paul. THIS in America. So sad.

Yeah. I *CAN* look at this objectively. If the very same set of events had occurred on the Democrats side, I would have said the excluded candidate had earned the mantle of newsworthyness.

That meathead Ed Failor may have scored tonight. Grrrrrrrrr

[johnrocks]

I'm FOR the fence. At least in high-traffic areas, so the border patrol can focus better.

But the high fence will keep the deer out:D I am for high fence,high tech, and making it hard as hell for them to get housing,jobs or any other type social program as well as ending the anchor baby loophole. I actually would consider Tancredo as my back up to Ron Paul if his foreign policy was in line with his.

[PatriotOne]

I enjoyed Tancredo. I may not agree with him on everything, but at least I don't feel like I need a shower after listening to him talk. He was well recieved by the audience.

I've only listened to the past 4 candidates but it amazes me that not one of them has mentioned taking away the incentives for illegal immigrants to come to the U.S. What about the birthright issue? What about them recieving benefits in America? What about enforcing and fining and even imprisoning companies that hire them? Just enforcing law would pretty much take care of the problem. Would we really even need 2000 feet fence after that? Perhaps to stop illegal drug running but not for illegal immigration.

[Birdlady]

I refuse to vote for a lesser of two evils.

[LibertyEagle]

All of 'em besides Tancredo, were boring as hell.

[LibertyEagle]

Hunter sponsored the Military Commission Act.

[ChrisM]

I'm against the high-tech fence because it perpetuates the military industrial complex. Guess who gets those contracts to build these multi-billion dollar "fences?"

I think we should be focusing more on the state of the economy. The major "legitimate" reason (if you could so call it) that Mexicans cross is because of the wealth gap. "Free trade agreements" like NAFTA have destroyed the economies south of the border at the expense of the poorest of them all. As a result, they feel the necessity to come to America, but due to current immigration laws, the poorest people must wait years before gaining temporary entrance.

Obviously, the drug and sex traffickers need to be stopped, but I think if we eliminate most or all of the refugees, then we can point to illegal immigration and say now there is no excuse, not even a humanitarian one.

[Dary]

Following his logic we should devalue our currency too.

Oh, wait... we are.

[LibertyEagle]

Hunter is just another war monger.

[Avalon]

The real source of the problem isn't the illegal immigrants themselves, they're in a desperate situation looking for a leg up in life and it's easy for them to think they're wanted here when the laws aren't enforced and the media tells them "they are doing the jobs Americans aren't willing to do". The problem is the companies who hire them. Large punitive fines assessed on companies who hire illegals, perhaps combined with rewards for reporting the crime and the problem would nearly disappear overnight. When the flow of illegals drops 95% it'll be much easier to catch the few that still cross illegally.

[atilla]

hunter invokes the "ronald reagan card"

ha, ha, did he endores reagan in 1976 like ron paul?

[PatriotOne]

OMG...STFU Hunter.

[ChrisM]

Following his logic we should devalue our currency too.

Oh, wait... we are.
My logic?

No, I'm mostly citing the need to get rid of false free trade agreements and the military industrial complex because they benefit corporations that don't provide any real service to people.

Or maybe you meant somebody else?

[Dary]

My logic?

No, I'm mostly citing the need to get rid of false free trade agreements and the military industrial complex because they benefit corporations that don't provide any real service to people.

Or maybe you meant somebody else?

No not your's, Hunters. My bad.

[ChrisM]

No not your's, Hunters. My bad.
That's alright. Thank God for Quotes ;)

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

I don't see how they'll get Ron Paul in.

[LibertyEagle]

He's a strong supporter of war, is what he is.

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

That's alright. Thank God for Quotes ;)

WOO HOO! COLUMBUS OHIO!!!

[BuckeyeDad]

WOO HOO! COLUMBUS OHIO!!!

O-H!

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

O-H!

I-O!!!!

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

There was nobody in that room!

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Here's the contact info for CSPAN: http://www.c-span.org/about/contact.asp

"Where's Ron Paul?"

[MsDoodahs]

I have not read the whole 14 pages of this thread. I just have one question: Did C-Span do as they TOLD US they were going to do and broadcast the Iowa rally or did they screw us over like all the rest of the dirty filthy rotten GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED mainstream media?

(edited for language)

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

I have not read the whole 14 pages of this thread. I just have one question: Did C-Span do as they TOLD US they were going to do and broadcast the Iowa rally or did they screw us over like all the rest of the dirty filthy rotten GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED mainstream media?

(edited for language)

Screwed us. Caved to the threats of death from the FCC. There is no integrity ANYWHERE in the media. I am feeling very fatalistic about the fate of this charade we call a democratic republic.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

I think I'll move to China where they don't put on airs of freedom. They call themselves what they are, unlike our commie government.

[LibertyEagle]

Screwed us. Caved to the threats of death from the FCC. There is no integrity ANYWHERE in the media. I am feeling very fatalistic about the fate of this charade we call a democratic republic.

Did we ever hear if that was true about the FCC?

[ecliptic]

I just sent this email to C-Span - viewer@c-span.org



Dear C-Span,

I'm writing to strongly urge you to broadcast your footage of the Ron Paul rally in Iowa. Please give my candidate equal time, he is the only candidate who represents my views and the decision to exclude him from the Iowa debate disregarded everything this country stands for. I'm an advocate for a total corporate media boycott... perhaps it's time to include your station in that boycott? I have noticed an increasing amount of government propaganda on C-Span which causes me to seriously question your objectivity. Are you aware that the person responsible for excluding Ron Paul - Ed Failor - is connected to the McCain campaign? This reeks of corruption and I hope that C-Span still has some shred of journalistic integrity left?

Show the Ron Paul rally soon or you will lose any credibility you have left.

Sincerely,

********


their response:

Thank you for your inquiry to C-SPAN,

Due to the large amount of e-mail C-SPAN
receives each day we are unable to answer all inquiries
personally. Please be assured that all comments and suggestions
are recorded and reviewed by our producers and staff.

In order to provide our viewers with timely
information, C-SPAN has posted answers to numerous
questions on our web site,
http://www.c-span.org/about/viewing/

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Did we ever hear if that was true about the FCC?

Never heard, did I. I blew it off as so much conspiracy theory at first. But with report after report coming in of newsworthy Ron Paul stories that never see the light of day, I'm putting on my tinfoil hat for this party. We owned (or is that "pwnd" -- I don't understand the etymology of that word) the streets of Des Moines Saturday; we were big news, but nothing about us anywhere.

[quickmike]

Never heard, did I. I blew it off as so much conspiracy theory at first. But with report after report coming in of newsworthy Ron Paul stories that never see the light of day, I'm putting on my tinfoil hat for this party. We owned (or is that "pwnd" -- I don't understand the etymology of that word) the streets of Des Moines Saturday; we were big news, but nothing about us anywhere.

I guess pwned came about when someone accidentally hit the P because its so close to the O on the keyboard, and it kinda just stuck. Kinda dumb but thats the story.

I wondered the same thing too and wiki'd it

[damijin]

I guess pwned came about when someone accidentally hit the P because its so close to the O on the keyboard, and it kinda just stuck. Kinda dumb but thats the story.

I wondered the same thing too and wiki'd it

Indeed it did.

[LibertyEagle]

Never heard, did I. I blew it off as so much conspiracy theory at first. But with report after report coming in of newsworthy Ron Paul stories that never see the light of day, I'm putting on my tinfoil hat for this party. We owned (or is that "pwnd" -- I don't understand the etymology of that word) the streets of Des Moines Saturday; we were big news, but nothing about us anywhere.

Yeah, me too. I haven't heard or seen one word about it.

[LastoftheMohicans]

Look on the bright side. If they had shown Ron Paul after the forum, it would have been 9PM at the earliest on the west coast and midnight here on the east coast. How many people would have seen it? Hopefully, if we politely contact C-SPAN, we can get it put on in a better time slot. That said, I'm still annoyed.

[LibertyEagle]

We need to ask nicely. No threats. Threats will not work and will only make us look exactly like what we're being categorized as by the media.

[torchbearer]

pwned.
i thought that was a blend between owned and pawned.

[ecliptic]

We need to ask nicely. No threats. Threats will not work and will only make us look exactly like what we're being categorized as by the media.

You're so wrong about that. By continually planting the "Boycott the Media" seed it spreads, and it plants a little seed in the minds of the producers of newsertainment.

"I wonder how many people are joining this boycott?"

"You don't suppose this will catch on, do you?"

"Is this something we need to worry about?"

From there it is a likely topic of discussion around the water cooler...

The media whores begin to wonder "why do they hate us?"

From there it evolves into a short discussion in the boardroom. The leaders attempt to dispell any fears among the "troops"

"there's nothing to this - pay it no attention"

... which only makes things worse...

Soon one little seed is joined by a growing chorus of others...

The media whores begin to fear the end of their gravy gig is coming... The few who still have a soul or conscience begin to feel a gnawing unrest:

"Am I part of an evil organization that stifles truth and promotes propaganda?"

Since the vast majority of media whores don't have souls or a conscience the main concern is monetary ( as always ).

"I wonder if the loss of viewers will accelerate and lead to layoffs?"

Which of course it won't because this isn't a real "business" but a carefully disguised propaganda mill though most of the whores still deny this fact to themselves....

[MozoVote]

Probably will be ignored, but I just sent mine:
----------------------------------------
Sirs,

Tonight's broadcast of the Republican presidential candidates June 30 forum, was a much needed opportunity for them to provide their full message to the public. But there was a glaring omission.

Ron Paul also went to the same hall that day, in the adjacent room which filled was filled with supporters. Amateur video of that event posted on YouTube, leads me to think this speech drew even more people than attended all six candidates speeches in the other room. This was a newsworthy event, and it;s only natural to assume that his speech to be included as part of that day's recordings.

Please schedule airing of Ron Paul's speech. I think it is appropriate to give all the candidates equal time.

[LastoftheMohicans]

Probably will be ignored, but I just sent mine:
----------------------------------------
Sirs,

Tonight's broadcast of the Republican presidential candidates June 30 forum, was a much needed opportunity for them to provide their full message to the public. But there was a glaring omission.

Ron Paul also went to the same hall that day, in the adjacent room which filled was filled with supporters. Amateur video of that event posted on YouTube, leads me to think this speech drew even more people than attended all six candidates speeches in the other room. This was a newsworthy event, and it;s only natural to assume that his speech to be included as part of that day's recordings.

Please schedule airing of Ron Paul's speech. I think it is appropriate to give all the candidates equal time.

Great letter. I wish I had wrote it. Non-threatening and makes the point quickly.

[MozoVote]

Thanks. That's the gentle method. But if they don't show any indication of airing that speech, I will write Howard Coble about it. He is a Congressman in my state's delegation, very critical of the war, a Republican, and has been willing to buck the party and vote with Ron Paul on tough issues.

[quickmike]

I believe they wont do anything to change their ways. You can compare it to AOL in its heyday.......... they were the big dog on the street and nothing anyone said could convince them that they would go downhill if they didnt start going after the broadband market. So they continued pushing dialup service with even more advertising dollars and continually less customer base.

I'm completely convinced that the mainstream media wont wake up to the fact that they are the "old media" until its too late to do anything about it. They wont change their ways, instead they will just fall to the same fate as AOL.


Sucks for them

[MrOrange]

for what it's worth, my letter to C-span:

To whom it may concern:



I am writing simply to inquire about the date and time that the Ron Paul Iowa rally will be broadcast on the c-span network. Over 1000 people heard Ron Paul speak on June 30 and it was mentioned at the rally that day that C-span would be taping the event and possibly broadcasting it shortly after the Iowans for Tax Relief candidates forum held in the same building on the same day.



I was at the Ron Paul rally celebrating Life and Liberty at the Hy-vee center in Des Moines that Saturday and there is no mistaking the event outdrew the ITR/ICA forum by hundreds. While that is certainly not a prerequisite for airing of a rally, I would expect C-span, a network I respect as the even-handed voice on politics, to give equal time to all candidates for president of the United States regardless of turnout. I should mention Ron Paul wanted to attend the event put on by the Iowans for Tax Relief forum, but was not invited even though he is widely regarded as the taxpayers best friend in congress.



I hesitate to be cynical about the lack of coverage that Ron Paul receives in the "main stream" media. However, if even c-span marginalizes the excitement and support Ron Paul has garnered through a grassroot groundswell as represented in this event for Life and Liberty, casting it off as unimportant to American politics, it seems I have no choice but to distrust all information I receive from broadcast television.



I hope you will retain your high standards of unbiased documentary news in politics and broadcast the Ron Paul rally. If there is no way the network can show the rally, I hope someone can provide thousands of viewers with a genuine reason why.



Thankyou.

[ecliptic]

I think the "nice and sweet" approach is weak, but I am only one. I prefer stronger language with a hints of total economic destruction ( obviously not a concern at publicly-funded C-Span), as this is far more likely to get noticed provided it doesn't cross the line into rude and insulting. I think my letter approached but did not cross the line. The sweet nice gentle letters aren't going to accomplish diddlysquat, in my opinion.

I think the rest of you need to wake up to reality - even C-Span has been co-opted by CIA operation Mockingbird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mockingbird) types...

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

[MozoVote]

A cross section of letter types is probably fine. It shows the response is for real and not SPAM. Even a few total moonbat letters would be normal, if the final pile was large .

[ecliptic]

Even a few total moonbat letters would be normal, if the final pile was large .

OUCH!

[Bradley in DC]

Watching this thing is making me mad that RP was excluded, all over again. Now, watching this hypocrite Schieffler talk about his Christian values. Yeah, right!

My understanding is that Schieffler wasn't a bad guy, just made a bad call to defer to Failure.

[Bradley in DC]

The media wouldn't cover him. He wouldn't be in any debates. He'd get zero mention in anything whatsoever. He'd do a little better than past LP candidates, but the media wouldn't even give him Ross Perot treatment. We gotta get him the GOP nomination. That's the only way.

He would be covered as the John Anderson of 2008.

[Mom4Ron]

Just in case they try to say they didn't cover it...

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/videolibrary/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=199502-1&tID=5

[mikelovesgod]

I believe they wont do anything to change their ways. You can compare it to AOL in its heyday.......... they were the big dog on the street and nothing anyone said could convince them that they would go downhill if they didnt start going after the broadband market. So they continued pushing dialup service with even more advertising dollars and continually less customer base.

I'm completely convinced that the mainstream media wont wake up to the fact that they are the "old media" until its too late to do anything about it. They wont change their ways, instead they will just fall to the same fate as AOL.


Sucks for them

Excellent point, I like the AOL reminder of what happens when they get too fat for their own good.

[cac1963]

Just in case they try to say they didn't cover it...

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/videolibrary/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=199502-1&tID=5

From that page:
"This program has not yet been scheduled. Airings may be added in the future."

[beermotor]

That's how it starts. That's how it always starts. Vaccinations used to be elective.


I dunno, I just read Neuromancer, and I think if somebody comes up with some cool stuff to implant I'll probably do it. I'm DEFINIETLY getting the neural link to Google once those headband wireless chips come out!

:)

[MozoVote]

Contact numbers:


Main Number: (202) 737-3220
Washington Journal: Support Others than Dems or Pres Bush (202) 628-0205
Suggest a public event that you think C-SPAN should cover - Fax us at 202-737-6226


Operation "who are all these people calling us?" begins.

.

[LibertyEagle]

I'm on with someone from C-SPAN right now. They are claiming they did not get this taped. I have just sent them the link up above that shows they have it and am waiting on hold for him to check it out.

[Bradley in DC]

You're so wrong about that. By continually planting the "Boycott the Media" seed it spreads, and it plants a little seed in the minds of the producers of newsertainment.

"I wonder how many people are joining this boycott?"

"You don't suppose this will catch on, do you?"

"Is this something we need to worry about?"

From there it is a likely topic of discussion around the water cooler...

The media whores begin to wonder "why do they hate us?"

From there it evolves into a short discussion in the boardroom. The leaders attempt to dispell any fears among the "troops"

"there's nothing to this - pay it no attention"

... which only makes things worse...

Soon one little seed is joined by a growing chorus of others...

The media whores begin to fear the end of their gravy gig is coming... The few who still have a soul or conscience begin to feel a gnawing unrest.

No, he's right, we need to ask nicely, calmly, reasonably--boycotting the MSM and "angry emails" hurt the campaign more than anything. We need to get the Freedom Philosophy's message our there!

[Bradley in DC]

I think the "nice and sweet" approach is weak, but I am only one. I prefer stronger language with a hints of total economic destruction ( obviously not a concern at publicly-funded C-Span), as this is far more likely to get noticed provided it doesn't cross the line into rude and insulting. I think my letter approached but did not cross the line. The sweet nice gentle letters aren't going to accomplish diddlysquat, in my opinion.

I think the rest of you need to wake up to reality - even C-Span has been co-opted by CIA operation Mockingbird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mockingbird) types...

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

The approach you advocate is totally at odds with the approach of our fearless leader who was following the approach of Ludwig von Mises and conforms with our view of emphasizing voluntary social co-operation and spreading our goodness by example, not the barrel of a gun.

[damijin]

They said on Washington Journal that there was car troubles for the person that C-Span sent to film the Rally in Iowa. They then explicitly said "However, C-Span is devoted to covering Ron Paul, and we will have coverage of his events in Las Vegas this weekend."

The real slap in the face was that a few minutes later they were doing a run-down of candidates campaign schedules for the week, and talked about every single republican except for Ron Paul, despite KNOWING that he is doing events on Saturday, since they had talked about it not 5 minutes prior. They mentioned other candidates plans for the weekends, including Hunter, Brownback, and the other low tiers, but Paul was just completely excluded from the list :(

So much for freedomfest.

[LibertyEagle]

I'm on with someone from C-SPAN right now. They are claiming they did not get this taped. I have just sent them the link up above that shows they have it and am waiting on hold for him to check it out.

This is the word, folks...

C-SPAN says they were not able to get this taped. They said it could have been technical difficulty or the quality was not good. Bottom line.... they do not have it and will not be showing it.

The woman I spoke to said they will be covering Dr. Paul in the future though.

I am very disappointed like all of you, but if you contact them, please do so just asking when it will be shown, so it will make them see there are a lot of potential viewers out there. Please do not contact them and yell at them. Yelling, even though that's what I feel like doing right now too, will not serve us well in this effort.

[Mom4Ron]

I'm on with someone from C-SPAN right now. They are claiming they did not get this taped. I have just sent them the link up above that shows they have it and am waiting on hold for him to check it out.

I JUST woke up to catch the Washington Journal response that their freelance guy didn't make it. Didn't really think that through did they? Surely the Ron Paul campaign can provide them footage if there's any truth, which I find hard to believe.

My husband has also pointed out that he's never listed in the Candidate Schedule that they frequently run between programs.:mad:

[LibertyEagle]

Ecliptic said...


"the BCM seed is planted, byatch... watch it grow...

Unless the word in bold above is your surname, I would ask you to watch your mouth.

[LastoftheMohicans]

The Freedomfest event is focused solely on a foreign policy debate between investment guru Doug Casey and Ron Paul on one side and Dinesh D'Souza and Larry Abraham on the other side. It will not show the breadth and diversity that the Iowa event. The Iowa event would have been better because RP discussed a wide range of issues.

So far, RP has spoken at:

The Arizona Repubican Assembly
The California Republican Assembly
The Liberty Forum
The Kansas City Rally
The Iowa Rally

and C-SPAN hasn't covered one of them. But when Hilary, Obama, Guiliani, or Romney comb their hair, the cameras are right there.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

This is the word, folks...

C-SPAN says they were not able to get this taped. They said it could have been technical difficulty or the quality was not good. Bottom line.... [B]they do not have it and will not be showing it.

I think we're going to be seeing a lot of these "accidents" with Ron Paul coverage. Footage will get lost, reporters will have plane accidents . . . I even wore my tinfoil hat to bed last night for the first time. :D

[LibertyEagle]

I think we're going to be seeing a lot of these "accidents" with Ron Paul coverage. Footage will get lost, reporters will have plane accidents . . . I even wore my tinfoil hat to bed last night for the first time. :D

I hear ya. I'm very disgusted about this. That speech was one of his BEST. We need to get it on the DVDs that we are distributing, IMO.

[LastoftheMohicans]

In addition to the foreign policy debate, Ron Paul will be giving a speech at 11AM (pacific?) time entitled, "How to Win without Compromise". Hopefully, this is the event that will be covered.

[joeu]

Write! Write! Write!
*********************************************
Dear Washington Journal / Susan,

I hope you will squelch the consipracy theories before they start.

This morning (Thursday, July 5, 2007) you stated that the Ron Paul rally in Des Moines, Iowa would not be aired because the cameraman for C-span could not cover the event due to car breakdown.

If so why is the event listed as available on your web site here:
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/videolibrary/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=199502-1&tID=5

Moreover your Washington Journal host on Monday announced the event would be available on Wed.night. Further, C-Span could use the readily available coverage of the event on the internet:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4530377301524522863&hl=en

This is no small issue in the Presidential 2008 campaign and it behooves C-Span to fully explain why the event is not being aired.

Joe Ureneck
Boston, Ma
617436-0320

[LastoftheMohicans]

If I can used a sports analogy. I think the Establishment is trying to drain the clock. If they can ignore Ron Paul long enough, even if he gets some momentum it will be too late. The primaries are earlier and more condensed. The odds have been further stacked against a Ron Paul candidate.

[LibertyEagle]

Who has the best hi-res footage of his speech and where is it located? Perhaps this should be offered to C-Span. It will not hurt to try.

Note: the resolution of what is on Google is not good enough for television.

[Dave]

Who has the best hi-res footage of his speech and where is it located? Perhaps this should be offered to C-Span. It will not hurt to try.

Note: the resolution of what is on Google is not good enough for television.

Bill from the campaign itself would certainly have the best footage.

[LibertyEagle]

Where is Bill located? Campaign headquarters?

[MsDoodahs]

C-Span knows that his Iowa rally speech was magnificent, which is why they are not showing it.

We need to get copies of this distributed.

[joeu]

Where is Bill located? Campaign headquarters?

Yes, "DAVE-Senior member", where is Bill located ...? Can you follow up?

[Dave]

Where is Bill located? Campaign headquarters?

He's on the road with Dr. Paul shooting video everywhere he goes. I would pursue the ideas of getting the video to c-span through HQ.

[LibertyEagle]

Well, nevermind that bright idea. I just called C-Span again and asked if Ron Paul's campaign was able to provide high-res footage of the speech, would they show it. They said no. It was against their policy. I then told her that I was a bit perplexed since they had not taped and shown even one of his appearances at:
The Arizona Repubican Assembly
The California Republican Assembly
The Liberty Forum
The Kansas City Rally -- with over 800 people in attendance
The Iowa Rally -- with over 1000 people in attendance

She asked me to leave the comment on the "Comments Line" and forwarded me there. I left the comment. Maybe others should do that too.

I do not know the phone number, since I was forwarded, but someone can probably find it on their web site.

Remember to be nice. The sole purpose of calling is to let them know that we would like to see Ron Paul's speeches covered by C-Span.

[damijin]

Clearly we just need to pack every single Ron Paul event to the brim with enthusiastic supporters giving cheers and standing ovations. Eventually they'll have to air ONE of them!

To put the Iowa event on against the ICF/ITR forum would have made the forum look awful. With the sea of signs and thunderous applause, it just rocked the house. Maybe they lost it, maybe they never had it. As someone who understands how companies run their web and TV counterparts very separately, theres a VERY good chance that they added it to the site before news of the technical difficulties came.

Since the announcement of the Wednesday airing came from early on Monday, there is also a chance that the freelancer who was supposed to film it either hadn't informed C-Span yet, or the word had not gotten to the WJ producers when the statement was made.

[LibertyEagle]

I don't know the direct number for the comment line, but you should be able to call this main number and ask to be forwarded to it:

Main Number: (202) 737-3220

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Do you ever feel as if you're a tree falling in the forest -- the biggest oak around -- and no one hears it?

[LibertyEagle]

Clearly we just need to pack every single Ron Paul event to the brim with enthusiastic supporters giving cheers and standing ovations. Eventually they'll have to air ONE of them!

To put the Iowa event on against the ICF/ITR forum would have made the forum look awful. With the sea of signs and thunderous applause, it just rocked the house. Maybe they lost it, maybe they never had it. As someone who understands how companies run their web and TV counterparts very separately, theres a VERY good chance that they added it to the site before news of the technical difficulties came.

Since the announcement of the Wednesday airing came from early on Monday, there is also a chance that the freelancer who was supposed to film it either hadn't informed C-Span yet, or the word had not gotten to the WJ producers when the statement was made.

Why couldn't the person who videotaped the ICD/ITR forum just walk across the hall?

[LibertyEagle]

We need to organize and get something done! I am beyond frustrated.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

So they sent a "freelancer" to cover the event, but it's "not their policy" to accept outside footage? Something stinks here. Seriously, did anyone check into that rumor about the FCC?

[LibertyEagle]

So they sent a "freelancer" to cover the event, but it's "not their policy" to accept outside footage? Something stinks here. Seriously, did anyone check into that rumor about the FCC?

Someone sent an email to HQ to ask about it.

[MozoVote]

I called them too and got the same answer. I did not even mention Ron Paul... said "there was another candidate at that forum who was not aired"... she asked if it was about Ron Paul? :D

This is bullhockey. There were local TV crews in the room. One of them probably recorded the whole thing. C-SPAN could get the footage.

[LastoftheMohicans]

What disturbs me the most was that this was a big event. And like someone else said, if it were played after the ITR/ICA forum, it would have been that much better.

[LastoftheMohicans]

I don't know if I buy their contention that they don't use outside coverage. I've seen them cover Canadian, French and British politics. They'll show campaign commercials from different candidates. On election night, they simulcast local returns. How is this so different?

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

I just called, spoke to the receptionist for a minute, then went into the comment line. Basically asked if they were going to air the rally footage, that it was the most exciting thing I'd seen, that Ron Paul is the most intelligent politician I'd ever heard, that all Americans need to hear him, and that, unless they've been asked otherwise, I hoped they would do their journalistic duty and air him.

Keep calling.

[ecliptic]

My apologies for using a mild expletive and if my letter to C-Span was too strongly-worded. Having said that... obviously there is a collusion to exclude Ron Paul. Obviously C-Span is corrupt. Obviously the corporate media will use this "run out the clock" strategy to exclude and marginalize our candidate. I suggest we seek guidance from campaign HQ on how to proceed. My stance is well known at this point.

Told you so...

[joeu]

Write! Write! and Write again!

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[LibertyEagle]

Told you so...

Well, that's helpful. :(

[Dave]

Why couldn't the person who videotaped the ICD/ITR forum just walk across the hall?

Bingo! For crying out lout the doors were about 40 feet apart. Why on earth would they have sent someone else to film the Ron Paul Rally, which began AFTER the forum??

You mean to tell me that everything broadcast on c-span comes from c-span photogs? Nonsense. Are they going to tell us the video has to come from themselves or 'the press' and not a campaign? I'm sure someone there with a video camera has press credentials.

It sounds to me like c-span doesn't want to show the rally.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

I suggest we seek guidance from campaign HQ on how to proceed.

They're going to be reluctant to go on record with any suggested action. They're going to want to say "that's the supporters out there doing that. We don't have anything to do with it." And that's fine; that's how it should be.

We know what to do. We did it with Fox months ago, with SC's debate, with the Michgan GOP chair, with Ed Failure . . . We ARE blowback.

But I suggest we still use the good cop routine with CSPAN until Freedom Fest. Play nice and give them ONE more chance to redeem themselves.

When you call CSPAN, ask when the Freedom Fest footage will air.

[damijin]

Why couldn't the person who videotaped the ICD/ITR forum just walk across the hall?

Most likely because freelancers are hired on contractual obligations, and it seems that there was a small crew filming the ICA/ITR forum. If they didn't want to pay that crew they could pay a single person with a camera to record the event that they expected to be less important. Setting up an impromptu agreement with the crew already in the hall may have been a bit too much to ask of C-Span for a rally of a relatively unknown candidate.

[MozoVote]

Is C-SPAN privately owned? Or does it receive public funding?

Is there a congressional oversight commitee where we can apply pressure?

[ecliptic]

Another distinct possibility is the "freelance" crew that was supposed to cover the Ron Paul Iowa rally was a plant. The establishment elites may have "played" C-Span and deliberately "screwed up". We need to get a lot wiser about how this dirty game is really played. We were played...

[rg123]

I do not believe c-span that they do not have a record of it over here

http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=WJE&ShowVidNum=9&Rot_Cat_CD=WJ&Rot_HT=206&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=100&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=30

The epsiode for 7/01/07 Washington Journal the host say on the broadcast @
exactly1hr:43min that they would be airing the Ron Paul rally after the Iowa broadcast
it is announced by other host as well. This is of course after the event had taken place I am sure they would have knowen of this supposed accident before hand
Its called if the media gets out nothing but bad news about Ron then he will not be elected and c-span is no different than the others you can see it in host face how they tense up when a Ron Paul supporter calls I faithfully watch c-span especially Wahington Journal everyday for a long long time now and trust my instincts very well This is a set up plain and simple and personally I feel that in this situation with the media that you do not catch more flies with honey understand what the word Revolution means if Ron Paul does not win this election
Their will be an even bigger undertow along with Illegal Immigration for a civil war in this country that is to come. You cannot be concerned that we look bad when the media broadcast that we are bad allready and nothing we do is going to change what is reported considering that lies are reported allready. The people were able to shut down Imus There is a lesson to be learned there. I have posted before to go after advertisers to enable truely free press it works you hit them in the wallet. We absoultly cannot allow the media to elect our POTUS it doesn't matter if we hurt someones feelings this is a war for our rights and our country
just my 2 cents on it

[ChairmanMao]

I was at the rally. I met the C-SPAN while trying to get press for Jim Guest. He went into the rally. Beyond that I don't know anymore.

[torchbearer]

C-Span caught in a lie? Sounds like a new FMNN story to me.

[LibertyEagle]

I do not think we should pursue this line any further, until we have PROOF. Maybe if Jim Guest tells us that the story about the FCC is true, or something. Until that time, we will do more harm to our cause than good to start accusing C-Span of some wrongdoing or conspiracy.

There are other events coming up. Let's just do our part and make sure they know about them and ask them nicely to cover them.

[LibertyCzar]

Well, I watched it. Those hosts were BORING! BORING! BORING! No wonder they didn't want Ron Paul. Geez! That was a real snorefest. That tax guy reminds me of Ben Stein's teacher character in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off". I just kept imagining him saying "Bueller .... Bueller .... Bueller ......... "

I think Tancredo did the best out of the six candidates though.