Would you vote for Ron Paul if he takes away your Social Security?

[Wingman]

In this Dec 07 PBS doucmentary on Ron Paul, a professor says Ron Paul will abolish social security. Would you still vote for him if you knew he would remove 99% of social security benefits?

This includes things like most unemployment benefits, healthcare and veterans benefits?
edit: i suspect it also includes things like tax benefits for having children, disability benefits and so on.

[ronpaulblogsdotcom]

Because most of us younger people will never get it anyway. It is a bankrupt system and the baby boomers will pop it long before we get any back.

[tropicangela]

The money isn't there!!!

[user]

He's not taking away anyone's Social Security. Wingman, it looks like you're a Ron Paul supporter, but you've been misinformed about his stances in many threads now.

[tamor]

Careful saying "he said he said". That isn't first hand - go to ronpaul2008 site and read it yourself. Still not sure, research.

[DamianTV]

The thing about Social (in)Security is it was originally a VOLUNTARY system. Lets put it back at least to that, however if we got rid of it, I would want (but not expect) a refund for every dime I put into a failing system that does nothing more than support private drug companies.

For those that are on Social Security, fine. Our government (we) made a promise to take care of these people in exchange for paying a Social Security tax. We made a promise and should hold ourselves to it. As far as anyone else that is looking to bail out, do it. Get out. Its not stable and wont be there by the time I retire at 67, or as adjusted by the time I turn 67, retire at 93, then 107, and so on. I think Social Security was a mistake, but as a believer in freedom = responsiblity for my actions, we need to hold up to our end of the bargain and fulfill the promises that we made.

Pay out on those now collecting, and let the damn system die already.

[xd9fan]

comes with a catch,
I want my 12.5% back that goes to it

Hell at this point I would settle for no SS tax taken out of my furture checks....meaning I keep it

and the money they stole since age 16 I would forgive (better than an armed revolution dont ya think?)

[asgardshill]

This thread is an attractive nuisance. Its based wholly on hearsay by some unnamed professor who essentially claims that Ron Paul would do the political equivalent of eating babies for breakfast if elected. The poll question can't be answered intelligently as it is inflammatory and untrue, so no sale here.

[Marshall]

This thread is an attractive nuisance. Its based wholly on hearsay by some unnamed professor who essentially claims that Ron Paul would do the political equivalent of eating babies for breakfast if elected. The poll question can't be answered intelligently as it is inflammatory and untrue, so no sale here.

And said professor was quoting very inaccurately, so here here!

[fluoridatedbrainsoup]

Ron is not trying to forcibly remove anything. His proposal would give us the option to opt-out, seeing as most of us will never see a dime from the gutted social security system, but will still be *coerced* to pay into it. It's just another tax. This poll is silly btw. Of course we're voting for the Man. Whether you agree with all his positions or not, you know where he stands -- he's a rock.

This is like the Ron Paul supporter that got on the Medved show a few days ago. Medved found out how old he was (82), then asked if he took medicaid. He said yes and, to Medved, that was proof of how silly the man was, and Medved cut him off. You take benefits and yet would vote a man that would strip said benefits? Rabble!

[xexkxex]

He can not take away something that is not there to begin with.:rolleyes:

[WilliamC]

Greetings All,

If anyone under 50 or so honestly thinks they will be getting anything back from Socialist Security I think they are fooling themselves. As far as I'm concerned that's money taken from my paycheck that I'll never see again. Even if I knew that really did stand to get back 100% of what I've put in over the years back when I retire I'd still vote to abolish Social Security today if it meant I'd never have to pay into it again. By the time I retire the money will be worth pennies on the dollar.

William C Colley

[thisisgiparti]

Ron Paul has never voted to dip into SS funds. He wants to phase it out, so that young people can make their own plans. He will make sure that the people who paid into social security and depend on it will be provided for.

[Wingman]

all good points..

in response to -user- above: nah its not me saying thats what ron paul is going to do. im saying that the professor in the video is saying it.

actually i dont think ron paul knows precisely how he is going to do what he wants to do yet. so im just hoping to promote discussion.

[VoteRonPaul2008]

hE'S NOT ABOLISHING SOCIAL SECURITY.. he wants to take the fed government out of it bc they keep spending our money over seas.. we will have our own retiremnt accounts with out government intervention..

wouldnt you rather manange your own money then have the government spend it overseas?

[hard@work]

In this Dec 07 PBS doucmentary on Ron Paul, a professor says Ron Paul will abolish social security. Would you still vote for him if you knew he would remove 99% of social security benefits?

This includes things like most unemployment benefits, healthcare and veterans benefits?
edit: i suspect it also includes things like tax benefits for having children, disability benefits and so on.

A better question would be "Do people in the grassroots not understand affordability versus dependancy?". You would have gotten all "no's".

[Tsoman]

HA, like I'm ever going to see one penny of social security anyway!

[DamianTV]

A better question would be "Do people in the grassroots not understand affordability versus dependancy?". You would have gotten all "no's".

I'll agree with that. I dont understand it. But then again I dont think its designed to be understood. Most government forms are intimidating to me, as I think they are to most people, so they wont bother trying to collect on any benefits... Of course this is kind of off the point of keep it or get rid of it, and sure the thread is probably not exactly in line with what RP may have planned.

I know that sometimes all I do is complain about a situation and offer nothing to fix it so I'll try to change my mindset. So what would you do if you were RP? Fix it, change it, abolish it, cut people off or not, etc?

[user]

I'll agree with that. I dont understand it. But then again I dont think its designed to be understood. Most government forms are intimidating to me, as I think they are to most people, so they wont bother trying to collect on any benefits... Of course this is kind of off the point of keep it or get rid of it, and sure the thread is probably not exactly in line with what RP may have planned.

I know that sometimes all I do is complain about a situation and offer nothing to fix it so I'll try to change my mindset. So what would you do if you were RP? Fix it, change it, abolish it, cut people off or not, etc?
RP's plan is pretty good for now. Use the money saved from not maintaining an empire anymore to fund SS, and let young people opt out.

[CurtisLow]

He's not taking away anyone's Social Security. Wingman, it looks like you're a Ron Paul supporter, but you've been misinformed about his stances in many threads now.

Ditto.

[Detonator]

Would he refund the thousands of dollars that have been stolen from me as well? :)

[reaver]

I've been paying into it but I'd opt out so I can invest that money on my own.

[RJB]

You should have included "Hell yes." or "Bet your ass, yes." Plain old yes isn't strong enough for me :)


I'm tired of the politicians promising us things that that isn't theirs to give or things my kids will have to pay for later.

[Perry]

Wow! What amazing results.

[Heather in WI]

Quoting Dr. Paul:


Our nation’s promise to its seniors, once considered a sacred trust, has become little more than a tool for politicians to scare retirees while robbing them of their promised benefits. Today, the Social Security system is broke and broken.

Those in the system are seeing their benefits dwindle due to higher taxes, increasing inflation, and irresponsible public spending.

The proposed solutions, ranging from lower benefits to higher taxes to increasing the age of eligibility, are NOT solutions; they are betrayals.

Imposing any tax on Social Security benefits is unfair and illogical. In Congress, I have introduced the Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act (H.R. 191), which repeals ALL taxes on Social Security benefits, to eliminate political theft of our seniors’ income and raise their standard of living.

Solvency is the key to keeping our promise to our seniors, and I have introduced the Social Security Preservation Act (H.R. 219) to ensure that money paid into the system is only used for Social Security.

It is fundamentally unfair to give benefits to anyone who has not paid into the system. The Social Security for Americans Only Act (H.R. 190) ends the drain on Social Security caused by illegal aliens seeking the fruits of your labor.

We must also address the desire of younger workers to save and invest on their own. We should cut payroll taxes and give workers the opportunity to seek better returns in the private market.

Excessive government spending has created the insolvency crisis in Social Security. We must significantly reduce spending so that our nation can keep its promise to our seniors.

[apc3161]

comes with a catch,
I want my 12.5% back that goes to it

Hell at this point I would settle for no SS tax taken out of my furture checks....meaning I keep it

and the money they stole since age 16 I would forgive (better than an armed revolution dont ya think?)

Exactly, its not like the government is going to give us something one day for nothing.

We will have payed for it. Not only that, its an investment that by law we must pay into, and the real rate of return is 0%. Social Security is a giant regressive scam.

[Richandler]

43-0 Wow!

Yeah Social Security is bankrupt. The idea is the most flawed in the history of the United States. Pay into a system that pays you back out only what you put in. The federal governmnet holds on yout YOUR money and only gives it back to you when it feels like it. That system is deeply flawed. It was created by liberal socialist who never bothered to try and figure out the long term numbers of the system. It will go broke, it will require another tax to fix it and we won't be seeing our hard earned money in the future. All classes of people can use that money in their pocket right now.

[joelfarm]

Having family and friends who are having to depend on it because their generation was suckered by the pipe dream that it would meet all their needs, I see what they got for their dependence on fedgov. While I don't rub it in their face, it is their faults that they live on such a measley subsistance, barely maintaining a part of 'the American dream'. They put their faith in socialism and are now reaping their rewards. Whatever happened to the independent spirit that built this Nation? It sure is not in hoping the fedgov will gime, gimme, gimme somemore.

[LibertiORDeth]

The thing about Social (in)Security is it was originally a VOLUNTARY system. Lets put it back at least to that, however if we got rid of it, I would want (but not expect) a refund for every dime I put into a failing system that does nothing more than support private drug companies.

For those that are on Social Security, fine. Our government (we) made a promise to take care of these people in exchange for paying a Social Security tax. We made a promise and should hold ourselves to it. As far as anyone else that is looking to bail out, do it. Get out. Its not stable and wont be there by the time I retire at 67, or as adjusted by the time I turn 67, retire at 93, then 107, and so on. I think Social Security was a mistake, but as a believer in freedom = responsiblity for my actions, we need to hold up to our end of the bargain and fulfill the promises that we made.

Pay out on those now collecting, and let the damn system die already.

Doesn't RP agree with this?

[LibertiORDeth]

Question:

Did anyone over 50 vote in this poll?

[Man from La Mancha]

In this Dec 07 PBS doucmentary on Ron Paul, a professor says Ron Paul will abolish social security. Would you still vote for him if you knew he would remove 99% of social security benefits?

This includes things like most unemployment benefits, healthcare and veterans benefits?
edit: i suspect it also includes things like tax benefits for having children, disability benefits and so on.
Spook.

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[JDeVriese]

What are you talking about our Social Security...the young people are paying into a ponzi scheme with no possibility of ever seeing one cent of it coming back to them.

BTW, that's one of the reasons why I'm voting for him. Uphold the promise to those who have paid in, and let the young people get the heck out!

-JD

[sickmint79]

he wants to phase the program out, not flip it like a switch. nobody would be left out in the cold.