Supreme Court Rules Large Swath of Oklahoma Is Indian Reservation

[idiom]

I hope libertarians get on the right side of this.

If America is to be a nation of laws, property rights, and contracts then this has to extend to natives, and the treaties must be upheld.

I don't care if it creates turmoil. Ending the FED would create turmoil too.

How many people here think taxation is theft but expropriating land isn't?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/supreme-court-oklahoma-mcgirt-creek-nation.html

[jkr]

sure!

now who do i pay tribute to so im not murdered in my sleep?

[AngryCanadian]

sure!

now who do i pay tribute to so im not murdered in my sleep?

Wouldn't the democrats accuse you of being racist for saying such a thing agaisnt the peaceful natives?

[Dr.3D]

Wouldn't the democrats accuse you of being racist for saying such a thing agaisnt the peaceful natives?

According to them, most everybody but them is racist.

[idiom]

sure!

now who do i pay tribute to so im not murdered in my sleep?

Ideally it would be a new state under Creek nation. Such a clean solution is unlikely to be built though. Also most of your tribute still goes to the Feds.

New Zealand has been going through this process since 1975 when our Supreme court upheld the Treaty of Waitangi. Its been an okay process for the most part. Who knew laws and markets could process turmoil so easily without a central plan outlining how each person will be safe in their beds?

[PAF]

So instead of traveling far and buying federal tax free smokes up in NY for $12/carton, I can go elsewhere?

[devil21]

Federal jurisdiction grab so they can hand the land over to drilling corporations without state government interference.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-tribes-insight/trump-advisors-aim-to-privatize-oil-rich-indian-reservations-idUSKBN13U1B1


Now, a group of advisors to President-elect Donald Trump on Native American issues wants to free those resources from what they call a suffocating federal bureaucracy that holds title to 56 million acres of tribal lands, two chairmen of the coalition told Reuters in exclusive interviews.

The group proposes to put those lands into private ownership - a politically explosive idea that could upend more than century of policy designed to preserve Indian tribes on U.S.-owned reservations, which are governed by tribal leaders as sovereign nations.


Well, I guess Swordsmyth was right about a few of the things that Trump promised during the campaign actually being fulfilled. Oil billionaires gaining control of more resources. Since we'll all be driving around in electric automated Teslas soon enough, that oil will head to other parts of the world and be used for Indian and Chinese development. Need big pipelines and global trade agreements like USMCA to pull that off. Is the picture of where this is heading becoming clear enough for most yet? Americans shoe-horned into highly controlled mega cities while the remainder of the land mass is used to aid the development of the rest of world. Enjoy the Teslas and plant burgers, folks.

[Swordsmyth]

Federal jurisdiction grab so they can hand the land over to drilling corporations without state government interference.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-tribes-insight/trump-advisors-aim-to-privatize-oil-rich-indian-reservations-idUSKBN13U1B1




Well, I guess @Swordsmyth (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=65299) was right about a few of the things that Trump promised during the campaign actually being fulfilled. Oil billionaires gaining control of more resources. Since we'll all be driving around in electric automated Teslas soon enough, that oil will head to other parts of the world and be used for Indian and Chinese development. Need big pipelines and global trade agreements like USMCA to pull that off. Is the picture of where this is heading becoming clear enough for most yet?
The commie wants government to lock up all the land and keep the market from utilizing resources.


Got it.

[PAF]

Federal jurisdiction grab so they can hand the land over to drilling corporations without state government interference.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-tribes-insight/trump-advisors-aim-to-privatize-oil-rich-indian-reservations-idUSKBN13U1B1




Well, I guess Swordsmyth was right about a few of the things that Trump promised during the campaign actually being fulfilled. Oil billionaires gaining control of more resources. Since we'll all be driving around in electric automated Teslas soon enough, that oil will head to other parts of the world and be used for Indian and Chinese development. Need big pipelines and global trade agreements like USMCA to pull that off. Is the picture of where this is heading becoming clear enough for most yet? Americans shoe-horned into highly controlled mega cities while the remainder of the land mass is used to aid the development of the rest of world. Enjoy the Teslas and plant burgers, folks.

That makes better sense now. Thanks.

[devil21]

The commie wants government to lock up all the land and keep the market from utilizing resources.


Got it.

Yes, yes "the market" demands American oil be sent to China. Not globalists and billionaire campaign donors. "The market".

[PAF]

The commie wants government to lock up all the land and keep the market from utilizing resources.


Got it.


You get to call me out for wanting to buy smokes cheap; my smokes don't Fund your Fed.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, yes "the market" demands American oil be sent to China. Not globalists and billionaire campaign donors. "The market".
Yes, we know that you want government to control where resources go and you are spouting commie rhetoric to support it.

Please keep it up so everyone is left without doubt who you really are.

[Swordsmyth]

That makes better sense now. Thanks.
And another commie "anarchist" reveals that he wants government to control resources and keep them off the market.

[enhanced_deficit]

Before any "so much winning' memes get posted here, it's so important to continue to support stable genius DJT (R) type strong leaders so courts can be packed with the right kind of conservatives.

[devil21]

Yes, we know that you want government to control where resources go and you are spouting commie rhetoric to support it.

Please keep it up so everyone is left without doubt who you really are.

Your post doesn't make any sense. You're flailing. This -is- the federal government taking control of where state and local resources go. I don't mind if a STATE government has a say in where the state's resources go. That's the 10th Amendment.

[PAF]

And another commie "anarchist" reveals that he wants government to control resources and keep them off the market.

You are a hoot tonight ;-) Why haven't you responded to my question in the other thread? Too difficult? Not in the playbook? Just plain stuck? Confused that the NY Lib would do such things (plural)?

[Swordsmyth]

Your post doesn't make any sense. You're flailing. This -is- the federal government taking control of where state and local resources go. I don't mind if a STATE government has a say in where the state's resources go. That's the 10th Amendment.
You are the one supporting government controlling resources and opposing the free market.
It doesn't matter what level of government controls the resources, it's still communism and you are supporting it.

[Occam's Banana]

Supreme Court Rules Large Swath of Oklahoma Is Indian Reservation

"Indian reservation?" Not "sovereign Indian land?"

Well, that's mighty white of 'em ...

[devil21]

"Indian reservation?" Not "sovereign Indian land?"

Well, that's mighty white of 'em ...

That's the legalese in action. An "indian reservation" is whatever Congress and/or SCOTUS decides it is, based on whatever definition they choose to enshrine into legislation/decision. And of course, the word "sovereign" is a bad, bad word! Can't have that word plastered across mass media articles, can we???


This SCOTUS decision is likely also the real reason that Trump was in Tulsa recently. Campaign rallies and photo op visits around the country are always cover for "business" like this. Rallies and the like are window dressing to distract from "business" that takes place behind closed doors before, during and after the public photo ops. Presidents never fly/travel anywhere simply to appear in public.

[PAF]

"Indian reservation?" Not "sovereign Indian land?"

Well, that's mighty white of 'em ...



That's the legalese in action. An "indian reservation" is whatever Congress and/or SCOTUS decides it is, based on whatever definition they choose to enshrine into legislation/decision.


This SCOTUS decision is likely also the real reason that Trump was in Tulsa recently. Campaign rallies and photo op visits around the country are always cover for "business" like this. Rallies and the like are window dressing to distract from "business" that takes place behind closed doors before, during and after the public photo ops. Presidents never fly/travel anywhere simply to appear in public.

This is where Swordy bails out of the thread.

[RonZeplin]

Before any "so much winning' memes get posted here, it's so important to continue to support stable genius DJT (R) type strong leaders so courts can be packed with the right kind of conservatives.

Lets not overlook the possibility that President Trump may be severely conservative like Mitt Romney. :question:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpolitizoom.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2%2F2019%2F10%2FMitt.j pg&f=1&nofb=1

They're very close you know. :hearteyes::kiss:

[devil21]

This is where Swordy bails out of the thread.

He recoils when the word "sovereign" arises and must run and shower quickly.

[Origanalist]

He recoils when the word "sovereign" arises and must run and shower quickly.

Your spin is weak man, Trump is our last hope.

[devil21]

Your spin is weak man, Trump is our last hope.

I hope I am not reported. My social credit score can't take any more dings!

(Biden's federal credit score bureau: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/09/joe-biden-democrats-aim-to-close-racial-wealth-gap-with-new-credit-bureau.html )

[Origanalist]

I hope I am not reported. My social credit score can't take any more dings!

I'm already in negative territory.

[CCTelander]

I hope I am not reported. My social credit score can't take any more dings!


My social credit score is .308.

[Occam's Banana]

Supreme Court Rules Large Swath of Oklahoma Is Indian Reservation

Might as well. After all, we're all "on the rez" now, anyway ...

[Origanalist]

My social credit score is .308.

Mine is - 30-6.

[CCTelander]

Mine is - 30-6.


So we're both rated anti-social? I'm in good company then.

[RJB]

No borders! No walls!
No Cherokee land at all!

[69360]

I think scotus blew it on this one. The ruling serves no practical purpose. It just creates more waste as cases will have to be retried in federal court. I think they should have just ruled that the situation in Oklahoma was settled law.

[Swordsmyth]

No borders! No walls!
No Cherokee land at all!

Some people seem to think that everyone but whites should get to have a homeland.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

Lets not overlook the possibility that President Trump may be severely conservative like Mitt Romney. :question:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpolitizoom.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2%2F2019%2F10%2FMitt.j pg&f=1&nofb=1

They're very close you know. :hearteyes::kiss:

yeah... so close.... that romney loooks like a kid caught chokin tha chicken !

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

bane of the capital needs a bullet already

[misterx]

"Indian reservation?" Not "sovereign Indian land?"

Well, that's mighty white of 'em ...

Conquer or be conquered. Sorry, they lost the land to us under the rules of the time. Only white people are stupid enough to give it back. We are too comfortable and complacent in our wealthy nations, we are completely removed from the struggles of our ancestors so we judge them as we squander and give away everything they fought for. Modern whites will be judged more harshly by history than any of our ancestors whom we now condemn.

[oyarde]

Not sure if everyone really understands how it works . As far as the fed govt is concerned they define an indian . An Indian is a recognized member of a federally recognized tribe . These are under Dept of Interior , Bureau of Indian affairs . These are about nobody in Tulsa and not even most Indians in the Indian Territory . They have own police and about 9K govt employees if four offices headquartered in DC . These are over the Indians recognized by the feds and no others have authority . This has always been the law . The Bureau of Indian Affairs has existed since the 1820's and prior to that ( It was called Indian Trade ).

[AngryCanadian]

Conquer or be conquered. Sorry, they lost the land to us under the rules of the time. Only white people are stupid enough to give it back. We are too comfortable and complacent in our wealthy nations, we are completely removed from the struggles of our ancestors so we judge them as we squander and give away everything they fought for. Modern whites will be judged more harshly by history than any of our ancestors whom we now condemn.

You mean white Liberals are stupid enough to give it back because they feel offended for what Euporean settlers to the natives. Only white liberals hate themselves so much then anyone else i know. Destroying historical places like Mount Rushmore would more idiotic.

It feels as if the 2016 election lose of Hillary ruined American Liberal's brains.

[misterx]

You mean white Liberals are stupid enough to give it back because they feel offended for what Euporean settlers to the natives. Only white liberals hate themselves so much then anyone else i know. Destroying historical places like Mount Rushmore would more idiotic.

It feels as if the 2016 election lose of Hillary ruined American Liberal's brains.

They were ruined long before that, it just sent them into war mode, and Donald Trump was naive enough to believe they sincerely wanted cooperation.

[Occam's Banana]

Conquer or be conquered. Sorry, they lost the land to us under the rules of the time.

The Bolsheviks in Russia won under "the rules of the time," too.

And if the SJW Marxists of today win, they too will have done so under "the rules of the time."

Because that's how the principle of "the rules of the time" "might makes right" works.

If it's supposed to be an elucidation of how conquerors end up getting their way, then it's just a pointless tautology.

If it's supposed to be a justification for anything, then it's pretty lame (see the two examples I gave above) and you should find another one.


Modern whites will be judged more harshly by history than any of our ancestors whom we now condemn.

Will be? They already are. Haven't you noticed?

And it's only going to get worse. Thomas Jefferson told us so:


"[...] I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever: that considering numbers, nature and natural means only, a revolution of the wheel of fortune, an exchange of situation, is among possible events: that it may become probable [...]"
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia


Injustices always have consequences - but unfortunately, not always for the perpetrators ... ("... yea, unto the seventh generation ...")

[misterx]

The Bolsheviks in Russia won under "the rules of the time," too.

And if the SJW Marxists of today win, they too will have done so under "the rules of the time."

Because that's how the principle of "the rules of the time" "might makes right" works.

If it's supposed to be an elucidation of how conquerors end up getting their way, then it's just a pointless tautology.

If it's supposed to be a justification for anything, then it's pretty lame (see the two examples I gave above) and you should find another one.

To the victor go the spoils, if they win they have every right to ensure that their dominion continues. You never saw Bolsheviks willingly ceding power just because it was "the moral thing to do". I have no problem with Native Americans fighting to take it back, but it's stupid just to give it to them. We conquered this land, just like they conquered it from other tribes. It's ours now, and to just let them have it without a fight is naive. Now that's not what this ruling is about, but your post seems to suggest that you'd be ok with that since it was morally wrong of us to conquer them in the first place. Just don't expect me to support that argument unless you also hold them accountable for conquering and slaughtering other Native tribes.



Will be? They already are. Haven't you noticed?

And it's only going to get worse. Thomas Jefferson told us so:


"[...] I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever: that considering numbers, nature and natural means only, a revolution of the wheel of fortune, an exchange of situation, is among possible events: that it may become probable [...]"
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia


Injustices always have consequences - but unfortunately, not always for the perpetrators ... ("... yea, unto the seventh generation ...")



What I mean is that liberal whites will be judged for harshly for their suicidal altruism. Thomas Jefferson is denigrated now, but it will be the left-libertarians, the RINOS, and the anti-racist social justice warriors that will ultimately go down as the biggest fools in all of history for giving up their civilization out of unfounded white guilt.

[jmdrake]

Apparently there was a recent SCOTUS ruling that due to some old treaty a huge chunk of Oklahoma is not under the jurisdiction of the State of Oklahoma but is rather Muskegee Indian territory. Someone got off of some crime by claiming Oklahoma doesn't have jurisdiction...and won. Wow! I wonder if Muskegee casinos are about to start going up in Tulsa?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y5d-mHEdL0

[acptulsa]

That would be the Muscogee Creek Nation. Despite its name, it does include the Ouchee Creek and other Creek bands, as well as the Muscogee. It does not rhyme with Tuskegee. And the casino has been around as long as I can remember, though until a decade or two back, it was just a bingo hall.

Oklahoma was still Indian Territory during the Civil War, and all the treaties that created it were declared null and void when all the tribes joined the Confederacy. After they were defeated (a process that wasn't complete until well after Appomattox), the land was apportioned. This did two things. It forced the idea of land ownership by individuals on the Indians, and after each got his or her "portion" of land, there was some left over for white settlers.

As a result, the former Indian Territory was one of the few states with no reservations--until now. I'm glad the Supreme Court ruled this way on this case, which is called McGirt v. Oklahoma. I want the state given back to the Five Civilized Tribes, and the other native nations. I trust them a hell of a lot more than Washington, D.C., especially with Bill Gates' Eugenics Vaccine in the pipeline.

Keep your Demopublicans and Republicrats. My capitals are Okmulgee and Tahlequah, and Lockheed, Pfizer and Google do not own them. Collectivist thinking may be all the rage these days. Even this place--once a bastion of rugged individualism--has gone tribal as hell. Well, individualism, individual rights, and individual merit is the thing that can destroy the divide and conquer tactics being used against We, the People. But if even the former rugged individualists here are bound and determined to help our enemies win by embracing the self-defeating siren song of tribalism, I'll throw in with the Creeks, Cherokees and Osage in a heartbeat. At least those tribes have prior claims and legal standing.

Before this is over, you may all be wishing you were born where I was born.

[Occam's Banana]

Bump for update.

THREAD: Supreme Court Ruling Modifies McGirt Decision to Protect State Sovereignty