Justin Amash Will Use Federal Dollars to Protect Transgenderism as President

[Created4]

Rep. Justin Amash (L-MI) has announced that protecting transgenderism is high on his priority list, and he would expend federal resources if he were elected president to harbor the delusions of these severely mentally ill individuals.

“I would protect transgender Americans under the protections that exist for sex,” Amash said during a radio interview on Friday.

Amash, who claims to be a crusader against government overreach, would expand current federal laws that are on the books to protect trannies.

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“I think that people can take the term ‘sex’ that’s in federal law and interpret it to mean things beyond what it traditionally meant,” said Amash.

“Sometimes, we have to catch up to the law. In other words, the law is written and the law will be fairly broad, and the public and the courts are not actually caught up to what is actually in the text,” he added, setting the stage for a vast expansion of federal power.

Amash has a long record of supporting government intervention to facilitate transgenderism. He once voted to appropriate taxpayer dollars from Christians and other Americans so military personnel could have their genitals mutilated:


When self-proclaimed constitutionalist Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI) endorsed impeachment of President Donald Trump, it shocked many conservative Republicans to see the former tea party favorite join in the Democrats’ witch hunt.

But Amash’s left-ward drift has been a long time in the making. One egregious example in recent years was Amash’s support of federally-funded elective surgery for transgenders in the military.

In 2017, Amash joined 190 Democrats and a handful of liberal anti-Trump Republicans to reject a proposal by Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-MO) to deny federal funds for the elective surgery of military personnel claiming they are transgender.

“We must confront these challenges by ensuring our defense dollars maximize the military’s readiness and lethality,” Hartlzer said. “That is why I’m offering an amendment to advance these goals by prohibiting taxpayer dollars from funding gender reassignment surgeries and related hormone therapy treatment for members of the military and their dependents.”

The measure could have saved up to $3.7 billion over the next decade by refusing to indulge these potentially mentally ill individuals with genital mutilation surgery and other health care services pertaining to their condition. The supposed fiscal conservative voted in effect to expend federal funds on this social project.

Amash announced his presidential campaign last week, likely an effort to sabotage President Trump in the key battleground state of Michigan. But with Amash going around promoting trannies, he may pull more liberal voters than conservatives.

Source: Big League Politics (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/justin-amash-says-that-he-will-use-federal-dollars-to-protect-transgenderism-as-president/)

[Anti Federalist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVkc4vQmVRA

[PAF]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVkc4vQmVRA

I disagree with the OP topic, but if done right, I advocate open borders as any freedom-promoting conservative would. Fed.gov has no business knowing where I go or why, or taking private property utilizing eminent domain, or voiding my private contract rights with who I want to hire even if I don’t offer minimum wage, or require my employee to Fund the Fed. Walls don’t work. They merely process people into a system that I want to get rid of.

Good short clip, btw. But I would like to listen to the whole conversation.

[Anti Federalist]

Good short clip, btw. But I would like to listen to the whole conversation.

https://reason.com/video/justin-amash-people-want-a-president-who-is-normal-honest-practical-capable/

[Anti Federalist]

From that interview:

Justin Amash: It is really important. And I believe climate change is happening. I want to be clear about that because you sometimes hear from elected officials and it's not clear where they stand on that. I believe there is climate change. I believe it's very important. I believe that humans do affect it, and that we should take action with respect to climate change.

What action?

[Created4]

From that interview:

Justin Amash: It is really important. And I believe climate change is happening. I want to be clear about that because you sometimes hear from elected officials and it's not clear where they stand on that. I believe there is climate change. I believe it's very important. I believe that humans do affect it, and that we should take action with respect to climate change.

What action?

Bingo. How is this guy passed off as a libertarian??

[PAF]

https://reason.com/video/justin-amash-people-want-a-president-who-is-normal-honest-practical-capable/

Thanks AF. Yes, he is a threat to the establishment, like Ron Paul was.

Though voting doesn’t matter, I would certainly vote for him.

[Swordsmyth]

Rep. Justin Amash (L-MI) has announced that protecting transgenderism is high on his priority list, and he would expend federal resources if he were elected president to harbor the delusions of these severely mentally ill individuals.
“I would protect transgender Americans under the protections that exist for sex,” Amash said during a radio interview (https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2020/05/01/as-president-justin-amash-says-i-would-protect-transgender-americans/?fbclid=IwAR1mLdGEgFB40kwlaxCC9iq0KFXPOZ_KikJSR33r MIEpr1L4qnQtDyqR9HY#a15d0cc8d065) on Friday.
Amash, who claims to be a crusader against government overreach, would expand current federal laws that are on the books to protect trannies.

“I think that people can take the term ‘sex’ that’s in federal law and interpret it to mean things beyond what it traditionally meant,” said Amash.


“Sometimes, we have to catch up to the law. In other words, the law is written and the law will be fairly broad, and the public and the courts are not actually caught up to what is actually in the text,” he added, setting the stage for a vast expansion of federal power.
Amash has a long record of supporting government intervention to facilitate transgenderism (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/flashback-justin-amash-supported-federally-funded-transgender-surgeries-for-military/).

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/justin-amash-says-that-he-will-use-federal-dollars-to-protect-transgenderism-as-president/

[Swordsmyth]

From that interview:

Justin Amash: It is really important. And I believe climate change is happening. I want to be clear about that because you sometimes hear from elected officials and it's not clear where they stand on that. I believe there is climate change. I believe it's very important. I believe that humans do affect it, and that we should take action with respect to climate change.

What action?
Government action.

[Swordsmyth]

Thanks AF. Yes, he is a threat to the establishment, like Ron Paul was.

Though voting doesn’t matter, I would certainly vote for him.
He is a commie and it is no surprise you would vote for him.

[69360]

Does it even matter? Amash is not going to be potus. He's a protest vote if you don't like Trump or Biden. Why expend your energy arguing some minor policy point that he will never do anything about?

[John-G]

Bingo. How is this guy passed off as a libertarian??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VWLBWstWpM

I have had my issues with Justin Amash especially with him not coming out against the lockdown and him supporting the bailouts but too be fair, he is a Ron Paul type of libertarian in this instance i.e. she supports letting people come and work without giving them welfare or citizenship. I think these are areas where grassroots conservatives differ from mainstream libertarianism.

We can disagree with him but that doesn't mean that he is a leftists. If anything, it is Bernie Sanders who supports your position(at least before he started running for office) but even that don't mean you are a leftist. You just happen to find yourself on the same side as Bernie


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0

[Sammy]

First he votes for the CIA coup.
Than he supports redistribution of wealth.
Now he supports Protecting degeneracy.

[John-G]

First he votes for the CIA coup.
Than he supports redistribution of wealth.
Now he supports Protecting degeneracy.

This is the problem with socialism, when the govt decides to be the healthcare provider then it should have to accommodate people'e elective health requests. If its OK for federal dollars to be used to give women breast implants and implant penis pumps for men, then it should accommodate "weirdos" who want to change sex. The best deal would be for govt to end all health insurance tasks, they can give all their employers the same money and allow them to go out and buy health insurance for whatever they need.

This is why it is more important than ever to make sure services like this are not provided by govt.

[oyarde]

Getting concerned how far he is moving in another direction so far so quickly although I do believe it was his intention to run when he came out in support of impeachment , I still personally like the guy and the job he had done . Now I am more worried he has just adapted the leftist Big L agenda and then whatever commie shit sarawark thinks of between now & then . These concerns are very legitimate regardless of whatever others say in his defense . I am concerned with his future not his past . What I see now is looking like a waste .

[devil21]

Liberty is the freedom to call yourself whatever you want, identify as whatever gender you want to, marry whoever you want, etc. I don't think government should be the regulator of such personal decisions in any form. I'd rather see federal rules about such things rolled back, instead of expanded, however.


First he votes for the CIA coup.

You must believe the WWE is real, too.



Than he supports redistribution of wealth.

Wake up genius, it's YOUR MONEY. If your money is going back to you, what's the problem?


Now he supports Protecting degeneracy.

I don't think the federal government should be involved at all in personal choices but I also don't want to witness stonings and burnings at the stake, like it's the middle ages again, based on some people's subjective definitions of "degeneracy".

[Sammy]

Liberty is the freedom to call yourself whatever you want, identify as whatever gender you want to, marry whoever you want, etc. I don't think government should be the regulator of such personal decisions in any form. I'd rather see federal rules about such things rolled back, instead of expanded, however.



You must believe the WWE is real, too.



Wake up genius, it's YOUR MONEY. If your money is going back to you, what's the problem?



I don't think the federal government should be involved at all in personal choices but I also don't want to witness stonings and burnings at the stake, like it's the middle ages again, based on some people's subjective definitions of "degeneracy".

I never said they should be stoned. But it should not be promoted or normalized.
There is no such thing as a temporary welfare program. UBI is going to stay forever like Medicare & Social Security & a "Libertarian" is promoting it.
So much of he wants smaller Government. :tears::tears:
He sided with the CIA,the Deep State & the Democrats against Trump.
Ron Paul called the impeachment a coup & he is right.

[devil21]

I never said they should be stoned. But it should not be promoted or normalized.
There is no such thing as a temporary welfare program. UBI is going to stay forever like Medicare & Social Security & a "Libertarian" is promoting it.
So much of he wants smaller Government. :tears::tears:

It's ok, you have the choice to remain ignorant and not understand that it's YOUR MONEY in the first place. Go learn how the government financial system actually operates then talk to me.

[Krugminator2]

Okay. This is the first legitimate criticism I have seen here of Amash. It is still nothing in the grand scheme of his policy views but at least it isn't babbling about the deep state or the CIA or something about Chinese ties.

[euphemia]

Another so-called libertarian unmasks as your garden variety liberal. Move over, Gary Johnson.

[Brian4Liberty]

“I think that people can take the term ‘sex’ that's in federal law and interpret it to mean things beyond what it traditionally meant,” said Amash. In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court is expected to rule any day now on that interpretation, as to whether trans Americans are protected from discrimination on the job by a key provision of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination in employment because of sex.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2020/05/01/as-president-justin-amash-says-i-would-protect-transgender-americans/

Sounds to me like Amash is just talking about firing someone on the basis of "sex", and applying that to transgender people. Doesn't sound like new spending of any kind.

Also in that article:


However, the record shows that when it came time to vote whether to condemn the president’s ban on trans troops serving in the U.S. Military, then-Republican Amash voted “present” rather than take a stand. He did not join five of his GOP colleagues who broke rank with the president and aligned with Democrats to pass the non-binding resolution.

Following publication of this post, the Amash campaign reached out to note that the congressman did cast a subsequent vote on an amendment in June 2019, in which the House moved to block the Department of Defense from spending appropriated funds to implement the trans military ban. Rep. Amash was one of nine Republicans to vote in favor of the amendment and it passed, 243-183, with a dozen members of the House not casting a vote.

But a month later — just days after switching parties — the congressman cast a vote against another amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA. The amendment by Rep. Jackie Speier (D) Calif., would enshrine into law that any person who meets gender-neutral occupational standards can serve in the military regardless of race, color, national origin, religion or sex, including gender identity or sexual orientation, as The Hill reported in July 2019. Rep. Amash is recorded as opposing this amendment that was aimed at reversing the president’s trans military ban.

Here’s what a campaign spokesperson said in response to a question about his “no” vote:

“The Speier amendment went around the executive order and instead changed the law to add a new standard of "equality of treatment" for everyone in the Armed Forces (not just transgender persons). It's not clear what impact this new standard would have in a military context, or whether it was appropriately drafted for that context given the military's mandate to maximize the nation's defenses with available resources, so the feeling was that it deserved more careful consideration and deliberation than a minimally debated amendment.”

[jmdrake]

https://reason.com/video/justin-amash-people-want-a-president-who-is-normal-honest-practical-capable/

Disagree with treating a choice to change one's sex with one's actual sex and expanding the Federal Government power in this regards. I'm ambivalent about the border. Right now Mexico doesn't want us going down there. Disagree with government action on "climate change." The only sensible government action would be to build new nuclear power plants, especially thorium reactors. I like that Amash voted against the 2.2 trillion dollar boondoggle.

During the coronavirus pandemic, Amash has castigated federal agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and the Food and Drug Administration, first for botching containment efforts and then for asserting monopoly control over testing. He was one of a mere handful of no votes on the $2.2 trillion CARES Act, arguing that all relief payments should go directly to individuals and households rather than corporations, nonprofits, or government agencies.

[jmdrake]

Sounds to me like Amash is just talking about firing someone on the basis of "sex", and applying that to transgender people. Doesn't sound like new spending of any kind.


That would mean new EEOC complaints and a bigger EEOC caseload would require increased funding so yes, it does sound like new spending. But worse it sounds like less freedom. We are moving from civil rights based on how people were born to civil rights based on people's personal choices which limits the choice of others. Does a vegan restaurant have to hire a meat eating publicist?

[Swordsmyth]

Sounds to me like Amash is just talking about firing someone on the basis of "sex", and applying that to transgender people. Doesn't sound like new spending of any kind.

Also in that article:
It sounds like new federal lawsuits and prosecutions.
Do those not cost money?

[enhanced_deficit]

“I would protect transgender Americans under the protections that exist for sex,” Amash said during a radio interview on Friday.

Amash, who claims to be a crusader against government overreach, would expand current federal laws that are on the books to protect trannies.

“I think that people can take the term ‘sex’ that’s in federal law and interpret it to mean things beyond what it traditionally meant,” said Amash.
...

Source: Big League Politics

With US debt approaching $25 Trllion, when will public servants end their addiction of spending taxpayers money like there is no tomorrow?

Hopefully Amash would cut spending across the board and promptly flip-flop on any taxpayers money spending promises after winning election.


That siad, is this source pro-small gov/anti big spending or just a partisan propaganda site for the agenda of Deep Zionism/Globalist Neocons lobbies that buy US politicians to scam the public (gullible/less-informed wing)?


If this is not globalist neocons/deep zicons propaganada site, it is odd that massive taxpayers dollars expenditures like these did not register ?





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[Brian4Liberty]

That would mean new EEOC complaints and a bigger EEOC caseload would require increased funding so yes, it does sound like new spending. But worse it sounds like less freedom. We are moving from civil rights based on how people were born to civil rights based on people's personal choices which limits the choice of others. Does a vegan restaurant have to hire a meat eating publicist?

You could certainly make valid arguments against the law itself. But I can see how Amash is suggesting it be applied. Let's say a woman named Terry, who looks and dresses like a man gets a job. One day it is revealed the Terry is not a man but a woman, and is fired. Was that firing on the basis of sex? They fired someone because they didn't want a woman.


It sounds like new federal lawsuits and prosecutions.
Do those not cost money?

Only if Congress has increased their budget.

[Matt Collins]

Does it even matter? Amash is not going to be potus. He's a protest vote if you don't like Trump or Biden. Why expend your energy arguing some minor policy point that he will never do anything about?
And this is a very valid line of thinking. Amash might get my vote simply as a protest despite the fact I disagree with him on some big things.

However it is important for the ideology and labeling not to get watered down. So if someone calls themselves a libertarian but yet they support big government nonsense, then they should indeed get called out for it. Two recent examples...Paul Ryan said he was a libertarian. Obama said he supported the 2nd Amendment. Obviously both are false.

[Swordsmyth]

You could certainly make valid arguments against the law itself. But I can see how Amash is suggesting it be applied. Let's say a woman named Terry, who looks and dresses like a man gets a job. One day it is revealed the Terry is not a man but a woman, and is fired. Was that firing on the basis of sex? They fired someone because they didn't want a woman.



Only if Congress has increased their budget.
It's all a giant violation of the right to free association and a federal intrusion into what should be a state or local matter if it is going to be dealt with by government at all.
And Congress WILL increase their budget to deal with all the new cases.

[Matt Collins]

Getting concerned how far he is moving in another direction so far so quicklyFor those of us paying some attention it hasn't been a quick turn in that direction.

What I want to know is how the hell he kept getting elected in Michigan while supporting the climate change hoax?

[susano]

From that interview:

Justin Amash: It is really important. And I believe climate change is happening. I want to be clear about that because you sometimes hear from elected officials and it's not clear where they stand on that. I believe there is climate change. I believe it's very important. I believe that humans do affect it, and that we should take action with respect to climate change.

What action?

Whoa, trannies and global warming. smh.

I recall, a few years ago, watching part of town hall with him, where it struck me, "OMG, he's a progressive". I think it might have been about repealing Obamacare and though he was in favor of it, it was the way in which he pandered to the commies in the crowd that made me really suspicious of him. While his voting record wasn't affirming my spidey sense about him, I remained suspicious. Now, it's like he's removing the mask.

I think this guy is angry inside and has a massive chip on his shoulder. I do not think he likes "America" (the concept, traditions, etc).

[susano]

Sounds to me like Amash is just talking about firing someone on the basis of "sex", and applying that to transgender people. Doesn't sound like new spending of any kind.


“I think that people can take the term ‘sex’ that's in federal law and interpret it to mean things beyond what it traditionally meant,” said Amash. In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court is expected to rule any day now on that interpretation, as to whether trans Americans are protected from discrimination on the job by a key provision of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination in employment because of sex.

"You can stick a feather in your ass but it doesn't make you a chicken."

- RAMZPAUL


WTF is Amash talking about there? When he says "people", is he including himself in thinking the term "sex" can now mean anything someone decides it does? If he thinks the term can be twisted in federal law, then the word means nothing outside of the law, either. Sex means male or female, period, and this cultural Marxist critical theory BS of sex being a social construct or some kind of subjective reality is NOT THE TRUTH. I don't give a flying fuck how someone chooses to present themselves but do not try to indulge me in the lie that a man can be a woman or a woman a man. Amash is indicating he wants to force the sane to engage in the delusions of people with mental illness - and gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Enshrining such madness into federal law or any law is immoral because it's a LIE. If that happens, open the floodgates because it will be applied everywhere, including in intimate spaces reserved for one sex or the other. It will legitimize poisoning the minds of children - who are already the targets of the most perverse sexual predators in schools, medicine and mental health - with tans brainwashing, deliberately confusing them and applying social engineering. This has nothing to do non liking someone who has gender dysphoria or saying they don't have a right to live as they please, it's about the truth. Amash is an enemy of the truth on a very profound level here.

[jmdrake]

You could certainly make valid arguments against the law itself. But I can see how Amash is suggesting it be applied. Let's say a woman named Terry, who looks and dresses like a man gets a job. One day it is revealed the Terry is not a man but a woman, and is fired. Was that firing on the basis of sex? They fired someone because they didn't want a woman.

There are some jobs where it is still allowable to discriminate on the basis of sex. The obvious is a place like Hooters. But take sex appeal out of it. Let's say a summer camp hires a girls camp counselor. Most likely that hire would be a woman. If it was a man dressed as a woman, and no I don't mean a transgender who has taken hormones and/or gotten his/her penis cut off, I mean an actual still 100% physiology of a man but is just in drag (think Ru Paul as opposed to Caitlyn Jenner) then should it be illegal to fire that man? Because...that's what we are really talking about. Or what about women's sports? Even with the hormones and the penis removal, a Fallon Fox has a good chance of beating the crap out of a Rhonda Rousey. Even the woman who beat Fallon Fox was clear that she was physically outmatched, was only able to beat Fallon using superior jujitsu, and that she wouldn't be able to do that again. On the flipside, a naturally born woman who wants to be a man and takes male hormones has a physical advantage over naturally born women who don't take male hormones. To try to treat this the same a sex discrimination shows an extreme level of naivete on the part of Justin Amash.



Only if Congress has increased their budget.

That congress would at some point increase the EEOC budget if its duties got expanded is a given.

[Swordsmyth]

Whoa, trannies and global warming. smh.

I recall, a few years ago, watching part of town hall with him, where it struck me, "OMG, he's a progressive". I think it might have been about repealing Obamacare and though he was in favor of it, it was the way in which he pandered to the commies in the crowd that made me really suspicious of him. While his voting record wasn't affirming my spidey sense about him, I remained suspicious. Now, it's like he's removing the mask.

I think this guy is angry inside and has a massive chip on his shoulder. I do not think he likes "America" (the concept, traditions, etc).
It's becoming clear that he wants to destroy America.

[MaxPower]

Disagree with treating a choice to change one's sex with one's actual sex and expanding the Federal Government power in this regards. I'm ambivalent about the border. Right now Mexico doesn't want us going down there. Disagree with government action on "climate change." The only sensible government action would be to build new nuclear power plants, especially thorium reactors. I like that Amash voted against the 2.2 trillion dollar boondoggle.

During the coronavirus pandemic, Amash has castigated federal agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and the Food and Drug Administration, first for botching containment efforts and then for asserting monopoly control over testing. He was one of a mere handful of no votes on the $2.2 trillion CARES Act, arguing that all relief payments should go directly to individuals and households rather than corporations, nonprofits, or government agencies.
Judging by this interview, it looks like he does support nuclear power and at least a primarily private-sector-based climate change policy:
https://reason.com/podcast/justin-amash-wants-to-be-the-first-libertarian-president/
"And some of the things we can do, for example, would be to look into further nuclear power, and finding ways to get nuclear power in this country because it is a relatively safe form of production and very low emissions compared to other forms of energy.

There's a lot of pushback about that, whenever you talk about nuclear power, but I think it's important to consider it. I also think we need to make sure we're not subsidizing any particular energy sources. So to the extent there are oil subsidies or any other subsidies, we should get those subsidies out of the way and allow people in the market to make decisions about how they get their energy."

[tebowlives]

He is a commie and it is no surprise you would vote for him.
Because funding transgenderism is a make or break policy and by golly anyone who wants that isn't fit to be President.
most important issues
1. Transgenderism

and way down the list
99. lower federal government spending
100. keep us out of Federal entanglements

We'll get to those 2 unimportant issues later because transgenderism is the most important issue after all. The economy could collapse if this issue isn't dealt with front and center. A terrorist attack is eminent unless this most important issue is dealt with.

[tebowlives]

It's becoming clear that he wants to destroy America.
It's becoming clear that you back tyrants like Trump over freedom lovers like Amash. I get it, he doesn't like the big government President you like. Don't make it personal, make it about policy. You remember policy right?

[tebowlives]

Whoa, trannies and global warming. smh.

I recall, a few years ago, watching part of town hall with him, where it struck me, "OMG, he's a progressive". I think it might have been about repealing Obamacare and though he was in favor of it, it was the way in which he pandered to the commies in the crowd that made me really suspicious of him. While his voting record wasn't affirming my spidey sense about him, I remained suspicious. Now, it's like he's removing the mask.

I think this guy is angry inside and has a massive chip on his shoulder. I do not think he likes "America" (the concept, traditions, etc).
Because how he votes doesn't matter and a scenario you made up does?

[vita3]

What a waste of time discussing Justin Amash for President.

Any solid Libertarians running?

[jmdrake]

And this is a very valid line of thinking. Amash might get my vote simply as a protest despite the fact I disagree with him on some big things.

However it is important for the ideology and labeling not to get watered down. So if someone calls themselves a libertarian but yet they support big government nonsense, then they should indeed get called out for it. Two recent examples...Paul Ryan said he was a libertarian. Obama said he supported the 2nd Amendment. Obviously both are false.

Trump also said he supported the 2nd amendment but accomplished more to undermine it than did President Obama. Case in point the bumpfire stock ban. Trump floated red flag laws before backing away from them. He even suckered Rand into temporarily supporting them. (Worst move Rand ever made and in ever). And Trump has now twice pushed the idea of an assault weapons ban, once as a private citizen and once as president. By contrast Obama undid executive orders that banned guns on Amtrack and in Federal Parks. Trump is an undercover progressive himself.

But yeah, bad messaging on Amash's part. This kind of reminds me of the Gary Johnson "Jewish baker must bake a Nazi wedding cake" fiasco. Some people in the libertarian movement confuse libertarian with libertine. From the libertine movement, anyone who impinges on my "freedom" must be opposed by any means necessary. So if a performance venue refuses to allow an performance artist to smear herself with feces that's a violation of her free speech rights and must be opposed by the gubmint.

[Matt Collins]

Trump also said he supported the 2nd amendment but accomplished more to undermine it than did President Obama. Case in point the bumpfire stock ban. Trump floated red flag laws before backing away from them. He even suckered Rand into temporarily supporting them. (Worst move Rand ever made and in ever). And Trump has now twice pushed the idea of an assault weapons ban, once as a private citizen and once as president. By contrast Obama undid executive orders that banned guns on Amtrack and in Federal Parks. Trump is an undercover progressive himself.
Exactly, which is why I might vote for the LP nominee.

[devil21]

Justin pledged to require Congressional approval of any future military action yesterday via Twitter. No more unauthorized military excursions. I'd prefer if he said DECLARED but it's a big step in the right direction.

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1256957406648680450

End the wars FOR REAL, not the fake Trump "ending" and we'll have plenty of money to spend on other things at home, even if they're things not everyone likes. Sure is a better use of it than launching 32x$1m Tomahawks at an empty Syrian airport.

[dannno]

Justin pledged to require Congressional approval of any future military action yesterday via Twitter. No more unauthorized military excursions. I'd prefer if he said DECLARED but it's a big step in the right direction.

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1256957406648680450

End the wars FOR REAL, not the fake Trump "ending" and we'll have plenty of money to spend on other things at home, even if they're things not everyone likes. Sure is a better use of it than launching 32x$1m Tomahawks at an empty Syrian airport.


The difference between Justin Amash and Trump is that Trump will actually bring troops home and help end the wars.

If Amash successfully runs Trump out of office, we will see more wars and more troops overseas. Good job!

[devil21]

The difference between Justin Amash and Trump is that Trump will actually bring troops home and help end the wars.

If Amash successfully runs Trump out of office, we will see more wars and more troops overseas. Good job!

Sure, Trump will, as soon as his Skull and Bones CFR cabinet tells him to. :rolleyes:

[dannno]

Sure, Trump will, as soon as his Skull and Bones CFR cabinet tells him to. :rolleyes:

U.S. Troop Drawdown In Afghanistan Ahead Of Schedulehttps://www.wltz.com/2020/05/02/u-s-troop-drawdown-in-afghanistan-ahead-of-schedule/

[susano]

Because how he votes doesn't matter and a scenario you made up does?

Oh, please. I'm not the one saying the term "sex" is subjective and can be "interpreted" in different ways, he is. You so do not get it. This is about what is TRUE.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?546014-Justin-Amash-Will-Use-Federal-Dollars-to-Protect-Transgenderism-as-President&p=6945140&viewfull=1#post6945140

I'm not the one who "believes" in the Church of Global Warming, he is.

[Snowball]

Justin Amash will use Federal dollars for nothing because he has zero chance of winning any states.

[CCTelander]

Trump also said he supported the 2nd amendment but accomplished more to undermine it than did President Obama. Case in point the bumpfire stock ban. Trump floated red flag laws before backing away from them. He even suckered Rand into temporarily supporting them. (Worst move Rand ever made and in ever). And Trump has now twice pushed the idea of an assault weapons ban, once as a private citizen and once as president. By contrast Obama undid executive orders that banned guns on Amtrack and in Federal Parks. Trump is an undercover progressive himself.

But yeah, bad messaging on Amash's part. This kind of reminds me of the Gary Johnson "Jewish baker must bake a Nazi wedding cake" fiasco. Some people in the libertarian movement confuse libertarian with libertine. From the libertine movement, anyone who impinges on my "freedom" must be opposed by any means necessary. So if a performance venue refuses to allow an performance artist to smear herself with feces that's a violation of her free speech rights and must be opposed by the gubmint.


Regarding what I've bolded above, consider the following facts:

The first red flag law in the US was enacted in Connecticut in 1999. There was almost no momentum favoring the gun grabbers over the next almost two decades so it took them 19 years to get red flag laws enacted in just 4 more states, leaving a total of 5 states having them by the start of 2018.

Then Trump made his infamous "take the guns first..." remark and things changed immediately.

Over the next year and a half or so 12 more states and DC enacted red flag laws. So far in 2020 2 more states have done so, leaving us with a total of 19 states and DC with such laws. Plus, there are serious effirts currently underway in at least 7 more states to get them passed, fortunately, thus far, unsuccessful efforts.

Trump has been much more of a liability than a benefit where the 2nd Amendment is concerned.

[Cleaner44]

Justin Amash is irrelevant.

Berniw Sanders probably has more support in one state than Amash has in all 50 states.

Justin Amash is irrelevant.

[PAF]

Regarding what I've bolded above, consider the following facts:

The first red flag law in the US was enacted in Connecticut in 1999. There was almost no momentum favoring the gun grabbers over the next almost two decades so it took them 19 years to get red flag laws enacted in just 4 more states, leaving a total of 5 states having them by the start of 2018.

Then Trump made his infamous "take the guns first..." remark and things changed immediately.

Over the next year and a half or so 12 more states and DC enacted red flag laws. So far in 2020 2 more states have done so, leaving us with a total of 19 states and DC with such laws. Plus, there are serious effirts currently underway in at least 7 more states to get them passed, fortunately, thus far, unsuccessful efforts.

Trump has been much more of a liability than a benefit where the 2nd Amendment is concerned.

^^^ This ^^^

I would add that as much as the 10th Amendment is needed in this form of governance, I got the distinct impression that tptb and Trump waited for when the time was ripe, and used it against us.

This is another example where there is NO provision in the centralist constitution to outline punishment of government workers if/when the people’s natural rights are violated.

[Swordsmyth]

Because funding transgenderism is a make or break policy and by golly anyone who wants that isn't fit to be President.
most important issues
1. Transgenderism

and way down the list
99. lower federal government spending
100. keep us out of Federal entanglements

We'll get to those 2 unimportant issues later because transgenderism is the most important issue after all. The economy could collapse if this issue isn't dealt with front and center. A terrorist attack is eminent unless this most important issue is dealt with.


It's becoming clear that you back tyrants like Trump over freedom lovers like Amash. I get it, he doesn't like the big government President you like. Don't make it personal, make it about policy. You remember policy right?
It's not just the tranny issue, that is just the latest example of him trying to destroy America.
Trump is getting us out of wars and bringing the troops home and Amash is siding with the deepstate that wants more wars and is behind the increased spending.
Amash is siding with tyrants and is demonstrating his hatred of freeedom.

[PAF]

Regarding what I've bolded above, consider the following facts:

The first red flag law in the US was enacted in Connecticut in 1999. There was almost no momentum favoring the gun grabbers over the next almost two decades so it took them 19 years to get red flag laws enacted in just 4 more states, leaving a total of 5 states having them by the start of 2018.

Then Trump made his infamous "take the guns first..." remark and things changed immediately.

Over the next year and a half or so 12 more states and DC enacted red flag laws. So far in 2020 2 more states have done so, leaving us with a total of 19 states and DC with such laws. Plus, there are serious effirts currently underway in at least 7 more states to get them passed, fortunately, thus far, unsuccessful efforts.

Trump has been much more of a liability than a benefit where the 2nd Amendment is concerned.


^^^ This ^^^

I would add that as much as the 10th Amendment is needed in this form of governance, I got the distinct impression that tptb and Trump waited for when the time was ripe, and used it against us.

This is another example where there is NO provision in the centralist constitution to outline punishment of government workers if/when the people’s natural rights are violated.


PS, I am still out of + Rep for CCTelander.

[MaxPower]

U.S. Troop Drawdown In Afghanistan Ahead Of Schedulehttps://www.wltz.com/2020/05/02/u-s-troop-drawdown-in-afghanistan-ahead-of-schedule/
It took Trump three years in office to finally begin to do what he had pledged in his campaign and draw down the troops from Afghanistan, which have been there nearly two decades. Meanwhile, Trump has made the drone war even worse and removed Obama's meager protections against civilian deaths (one of the most abhorrent things Trump has done, which ironically has been utterly ignored by the mainstream press that is desperate to villify him over every minor foible and gaffe it can get its hands on).
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers

Meanwhile, Amash has largely been an actual consistent anti-interventionist and a steady critic of the drone war throughout his congressional career.
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1219303618093907969?lang=en

[fedupinmo]

Liberty is the freedom to call yourself whatever you want, identify as whatever gender you want to, marry whoever you want, etc. I don't think government should be the regulator of such personal decisions in any form. I'd rather see federal rules about such things rolled back, instead of expanded, however.



Liberty also is the freedom to think and feel the way you want, and not be forced to call a man a woman or call same sex individuals "married" when they didn't do what marriage is. Living with your buddy is easy; living with a hormonal weirdo that's almost an alien is really paying dues, and two left shoes don't make a pair of shoes.
You are actually seemingly in favor of government regulating personal decisions, at a deeper level than you realize.

[jmdrake]

The difference between Justin Amash and Trump is that Trump will actually bring troops home and help end the wars.

If Amash successfully runs Trump out of office, we will see more wars and more troops overseas. Good job!

There's as much chance that an Amash run will help Trump as there is it will hurt Trump. The difference between Trump and Amash is Amash has never supported assault weapons bans, bumpfire stock bans and red flag laws.

[dannno]

There's as much chance that an Amash run will help Trump as there is it will hurt Trump. The difference between Trump and Amash is Amash has never supported assault weapons bans, bumpfire stock bans and red flag laws.

Ya anybody who is unwilling to vote for Trump, I would recommend they vote for Amash. And I agree, I'm about 50/50 whether Amash will help or hurt Trump in the end. Conservatives who vote Amash probably wouldn't vote for Trump anyway, and I cannot say the same about Biden for certain.

However I personally think the second amendment is a poor reason to vote for Amash over Trump.

In fact, I can't justify any of the reasons anybody listed to vote for Amash over Trump because Trump is a lot better than Biden or the Democrat establishment on all of those issues, so whether you can stomach it or whether you are proud, or somewhere in between, a vote for Trump I think is the best bet to help secure our liberties. And I never would have thought to say that for Romney, McCain, Bush..

But if voting for Trump will make you vomit all over the floor, and you are unwilling to vomit all over the floor, then go ahead and vote Amash.

[tebowlives]

Oh, please. I'm not the one saying the term "sex" is subjective and can be "interpreted" in different ways, he is. You so do not get it. This is about what is TRUE.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?546014-Justin-Amash-Will-Use-Federal-Dollars-to-Protect-Transgenderism-as-President&p=6945140&viewfull=1#post6945140

I'm not the one who "believes" in the Church of Global Warming, he is.
He believes global warming is man made. He doesn't say how much.
"I believe the climate changes," Amash said. "The question is, what do you do about it? The data set we're dealing with is very small."
"(The data set) is factually very small, unless you think the earth is only a couple thousand years old," Amash said. "We have to take that into consideration."
"A strong and prosperous economy is what helps keep the environment clean," Amash said. "The stronger the economy, the more your country innovates."
"I will oppose any legislation relating to climate change that includes a net increase in government revenue."

So global warming and transgenderism are your 2 most important issues when it comes to voting on who is President.

I do get it. I know what's important. And it's not global warming and transgenderism.

[tebowlives]

It's not just the tranny issue, that is just the latest example of him trying to destroy America.How in the world is his stance on transgenderism something that contributes to destroying America?? Fake drama


Trump is getting us out of wars and bringing the troops homeBy bombing Syria who is fighting our enemy Al Qaeda? By moving 50 troops from 1 area to another? We're in 98 wars instead of 99 so hip hip hurray?


and Amash is siding with the deepstate that wants more wars and is behind the increased spending.Yet Amash votes for less taxes and non intervention and that means what now? Maybe if this was bizarro world that would be true.


Amash is siding with tyrants and is demonstrating his hatred of freeedom.By voting for less taxes and non intervention is proof?

That you have to make things up and treat members on this site like they are uninformed bots is insulting.

[tebowlives]

There's as much chance that an Amash run will help Trump as there is it will hurt Trump. The difference between Trump and Amash is Amash has never supported assault weapons bans, bumpfire stock bans and red flag laws.
And Amash is against increased spending and war mongering. For some, that doesn't seem to carry much weight anymore which is odd since those 2 policies and auditing the Federal Reserve are the three things the Tea Party is about.

[susano]

He believes global warming is man made. He doesn't say how much.
"I believe the climate changes," Amash said. "The question is, what do you do about it? The data set we're dealing with is very small."
"(The data set) is factually very small, unless you think the earth is only a couple thousand years old," Amash said. "We have to take that into consideration."
"A strong and prosperous economy is what helps keep the environment clean," Amash said. "The stronger the economy, the more your country innovates."
"I will oppose any legislation relating to climate change that includes a net increase in government revenue."

So global warming and transgenderism are your 2 most important issues when it comes to voting on who is President.

I do get it. I know what's important. And it's not global warming and transgenderism.


It's enough to say that climate changes, there's nothing humans can do about it and it's no business of government. But no, he's pandering to the climate tards.

The trans agenda is a very damn important issue because it's an attack on humanity by cultural Marxist anti human depopulation freaks and sexual degenerates who are exploiting, brainwashing and doing physical and emotional harm to young people and children. They are trying to normalizing a mental illness.. It has nothing to do with freedom to be who one is or being accepting of trans people, it's about evil social engineering and it's infested politics, policy, education and medicine.

[familydog]

Amash is a leftist. He is not a libertarian. I just wish he would be honest about it. Moreover, he is a boring leftist. If you're going to tow the same line as Elizabeth Warren on something, then at least be bombastic about it. Stand out from the crowd.

[PAF]

Amash is a leftist. He is not a libertarian. I just wish he would be honest about it. Moreover, he is a boring leftist. If you're going to tow the same line as Elizabeth Warren on something, then at least be bombastic about it. Stand out from the crowd.

Justin Amash:
Congress: Michigan, District: 3, Independent, Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 94%

Until that number drops below 90%, you can call him whatever you want.

I can see how he is a threat to you/SwordShill/statist establishment.

“Vote the Record, Not the Rhetoric”

Btw, I am in W. PA, what about you?

[Created4]

Justin Amash:
Congress: Michigan, District: 3, Independent, Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 94%

Until that number drops below 90%, you can call him whatever you want.

I can see how he is a threat to you/SwordShill/statist establishment.

“Vote the Record, Not the Rhetoric”

Btw, I am in W. PA, what about you?

I would never call this guy a libertarian either. He is a douche bag, in my opinion. The only reason he is running as a "libertarian" independent is because he knows he cannot win the GOP vote.

Does that mean he is a "threat" to me also, and that I am a "statist"?

People should be able to disagree without being labeled as something negative or anti-liberty.....

[AngryCanadian]

I would never call this guy a libertarian either. He is a douche bag, in my opinion. The only reason he is running as a "libertarian" independent is because he knows he cannot win the GOP vote.

Does that mean he is a "threat" to me also, and that I am a "statist"?

People should be able to disagree without being labeled as something negative or anti-liberty.....

So What made Amash this heavy to go to the liberal wing? full blown? with pro open borders? how can he even talk about a massive immigration and open borders while we are all in a pandemic?

I feel his doing it for getting attention mostly.

[Ender]

I would never call this guy a libertarian either. He is a douche bag, in my opinion. The only reason he is running as a "libertarian" independent is because he knows he cannot win the GOP vote.

Does that mean he is a "threat" to me also, and that I am a "statist"?

People should be able to disagree without being labeled as something negative or anti-liberty.....

Does that apply to Never-Trumpers? LOL- I've been called every name in the book on this forum.

And, BTW- I love 98% of your posts- just don't understand the hate for Amash- overall, he's one of the most liberty minded guys in Congress. I think we all should be more concerned about the pandemic hoax and mandatory vaxes, rather than a guy we don't always agree with running for an office he has no chance in hades of getting.

[PAF]

I would never call this guy a libertarian either. He is a douche bag, in my opinion. The only reason he is running as a "libertarian" independent is because he knows he cannot win the GOP vote.

Does that mean he is a "threat" to me also, and that I am a "statist"?

People should be able to disagree without being labeled as something negative or anti-liberty.....

It is not for me say whether he is a threat to you. As far as “statist”, anybody who violates my individual Natural Rights, whether that be restricting my freedom to travel freely, requiring me to identify myself from another without due process, etc.

My rights belong to me, not others to legislate away. As of now, whether I vote or not, Justin has among the highest constitutional records of anybody in the house.

Hmm, double standards perhaps? You can call out socialists/communists, but I can’t refer to statists who infringe upon my rights, even if they believe I must be protected from private property and contract rights and paying my hard earned money for public walls, to restrict my freedom to travel freely?

I think we agree on most every issue so there’s really no beef, just maybe consider my points to see where I am coming from and what has led this country to be in the state that it is in ;-)

[Created4]

You can call out socialists/communists....

But I don't think I have ever called someone here on the forums with that title, have I? If so, I apologize!

Passionate disagreement is fine. I just think we could be more civil with one another, and it has been so nice without Angelatec around... :redsmiling:

[PAF]

But I don't think I have ever called someone here on the forums with that title, have I? If so, I apologize!

Passionate disagreement is fine. I just think we could be more civil with one another, and it has been so nice without Angelatec around... :redsmiling:

I don’t recall you ever doing that. Agreed :)

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

There are jump the shark moments, then there are bake cakes or else moments.

https://redstateeclectic.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452719d69e201b7c8c30967970b-800wi

[phill4paul]

Getting concerned how far he is moving in another direction so far so quickly although I do believe it was his intention to run when he came out in support of impeachment , I still personally like the guy and the job he had done . Now I am more worried he has just adapted the leftist Big L agenda and then whatever commie shit sarawark thinks of between now & then . These concerns are very legitimate regardless of whatever others say in his defense . I am concerned with his future not his past . What I see now is looking like a waste .

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to oyarde again.

[tebowlives]

It's enough to say that climate changes, there's nothing humans can do about it and it's no business of government. But no, he's pandering to the climate tards.No it's not enough. The degree to what humans contribute to global warming isn't really known. But there is something humans can do.


The trans agenda is a very damn important issue because it's an attack on humanity by cultural Marxist anti human depopulation freaks and sexual degenerates who are exploiting, brainwashing and doing physical and emotional harm to young people and children. They are trying to normalizing a mental illness.. It has nothing to do with freedom to be who one is or being accepting of trans people, it's about evil social engineering and it's infested politics, policy, education and medicine.
lol You made all of this up. Cats and dogs living together. And this two issues are minor in the scheme of things.

[tebowlives]

I would never call this guy a libertarian either. He is a douche bag, in my opinion. The only reason he is running as a "libertarian" independent is because he knows he cannot win the GOP vote.How in the world does someone with a very conservative voting record qualify as a douche bag?


Does that mean he is a "threat" to me also, and that I am a "statist"?

People should be able to disagree without being labeled as something negative or anti-liberty.....WTF? Like "He is a douche bag"? lol

[tebowlives]

It's becoming clear that he wants to destroy America.
Because he votes against increased spending and keeping us out of never ending wars in the Middle East?

Yet Trump who increased spending and keeps us involved in the Middle East, two things he lied about not doing, is somehow a person we should support?

[tebowlives]

The difference between Justin Amash and Trump is that Trump will actually bring troops home and help end the wars.

If Amash successfully runs Trump out of office, we will see more wars and more troops overseas. Good job!
And you have proof of this? It can't be the way Amash votes since he votes the opposite of what you just posted.

[tebowlives]

For those of us paying some attention it hasn't been a quick turn in that direction.

What I want to know is how the hell he kept getting elected in Michigan while supporting the climate change hoax?
Because people in Michigan know what's important and thank goodness they didn't base their vote on something so unimportant as climate change.

[Matt Collins]

Because people in Michigan know what's important and thank goodness they didn't base their vote on something so unimportant as climate change.
You are very ignorant.

[Ender]

Because he votes against increased spending and keeping us out of never ending wars in the Middle East?

Yet Trump who increased spending and keeps us involved in the Middle East, two things he lied about not doing, is somehow a person we should support?

Yep.

All this baaaaaad Amash stuff while in the meantime:

US Navy Sends Warships Into 'Russia's Gulf Of Mexico' For First Time Since Cold War
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-navy-sends-warships-russias-gulf-mexico-first-time-cold-war

[Brian4Liberty]

It's enough to say that climate changes, there's nothing humans can do about it and it's no business of government. But no, he's pandering to the climate tards.

The trans agenda is a very damn important issue because it's an attack on humanity by cultural Marxist anti human depopulation freaks and sexual degenerates who are exploiting, brainwashing and doing physical and emotional harm to young people and children. They are trying to normalizing a mental illness.. It has nothing to do with freedom to be who one is or being accepting of trans people, it's about evil social engineering and it's infested politics, policy, education and medicine.

How would you interrupt this aspect of the Marxist and SJW agenda? Especially given that a large percentage of the population supports the Marxist agenda (secretly or openly), or they don't care about it?

What has Amash suggested that is so supportive of the Marxist agenda? Does he support public education which includes trans education? Does he support drag-queen story hour for children?

Unfortunately, Hollywood and the media are the prime movers and advertisers of this agenda. I suspect Amash has not called for censorship of entertainment and the media.

So what is a liberty-oriented solution?

Live Drag queen shows for children should not be allowed. Same with strippers. It is adult oriented, and not appropriate. Does that require a law, or just push back at the morons who want to organize these events for children at public schools and libraries?

[Brian4Liberty]

Sounds to me like Amash is just talking about firing someone on the basis of "sex", and applying that to transgender people. Doesn't sound like new spending of any kind.

Also in that article:


But a month later — just days after switching parties — the congressman cast a vote against another amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA. The amendment by Rep. Jackie Speier (D) Calif., would enshrine into law that any person who meets gender-neutral occupational standards can serve in the military regardless of race, color, national origin, religion or sex, including gender identity or sexual orientation, as The Hill reported in July 2019. Rep. Amash is recorded as opposing this amendment that was aimed at reversing the president’s trans military ban.

Amash voted against a cultural Marxist amendment in this case.

Has he ever voted to allow the military to pay for trans surgery? That is another situation that is inappropriate and should not be funded. It is elective plastic surgery.

[familydog]

Justin Amash:I can see how he is a threat to you/SwordShill/statist establishment.

Amash has zero accomplishments in Congress and has a 0.0% chance of winning the Presidency. He is in no way a threat to me. He is, however, a threat to the libertarian message.

You do not know who I support/do not support (outside of Amash). I would be cautious about assuming my motivations.


Btw, I am in W. PA, what about you?

Rural northwest Pennsylvania.

[tebowlives]

You are very ignorant.
It's not about me so don't deflect while making things up. I know what's important.

[tebowlives]

Amash has zero accomplishments in Congress and has a 0.0% chance of winning the Presidency. He is in no way a threat to me. He is, however, a threat to the libertarian message.

You do not know who I support/do not support (outside of Amash). I would be cautious about assuming my motivations.



Rural northwest Pennsylvania.How is someone with his voting record a threat to Liberty?

[PAF]

Amash has zero accomplishments in Congress and has a 0.0% chance of winning the Presidency. He is in no way a threat to me. He is, however, a threat to the libertarian message.

You do not know who I support/do not support (outside of Amash). I would be cautious about assuming my motivations.



Rural northwest Pennsylvania.

Do we now each other? Have you attended one of our liberty meetings?

You are more than welcome to join us, maybe you can punch me in the nose :p

Hit me up PM if you are interested.

[familydog]

How is someone with his voting record a threat to Liberty?

I stated that Amash is a threat to the libertarian message. He is stodgy and monotonous. The only people that would vote for him are either a) leftist libertarians with TDS b) Ron Paul supporters nostalgic for the glory days and c) anyone who wants to cast a protest vote who otherwise has zero interest in libertarianism or even the original intent of the Constitution.

And to be fair, I am sympathetic to the second option.

[devil21]

Amash is a leftist. He is not a libertarian. I just wish he would be honest about it. Moreover, he is a boring leftist. If you're going to tow the same line as Elizabeth Warren on something, then at least be bombastic about it. Stand out from the crowd.

If Amash isn't a libertarian, you aren't either and should be honest about it. You're a run-of-the-mill Republican. For some reason people continue to act as if libertarians are nothing more than a subset of the GOP. Nope, wrong. OMG he said something that Elizabeth Warren also said? Oy vey! :rolleyes:
Some libertarian positions appeal to the left, some to the right, some to both and maybe some to neither, but the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" message appeals to many in the middle and the middle decides elections. That is why libertarians are treated as a scourge to the two party duopoly. Libertarians are a threat to that scamming, mind-controlling, divide and conquer duopoly which forces the middle to choose a side of the controlled duopoly.

[Ender]

If Amash isn't a libertarian, you aren't either and should be honest about it. You're a run-of-the-mill Republican. For some reason people continue to act as if libertarians are nothing more than a subset of the GOP. Nope, wrong. OMG he said something that Elizabeth Warren also said? Oy vey! :rolleyes:
Some libertarian positions appeal to the left, some to the right, some to both and maybe some to neither, but the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" message appeals to many in the middle and the middle decides elections. That is why libertarians are treated as a scourge to the two party duopoly. Libertarians are a threat to that scamming, mind-controlling, divide and conquer duopoly which forces the middle to choose a side of the controlled duopoly.

^^^^THIS^^^^

And, notice how quiet Trumptarians are about this whole lockdown scam. If Obama were in office, they'd be screaming at the top of their lungs that it was all his fault and he should be held accountable.

[familydog]

If Amash isn't a libertarian, you aren't either and should be honest about it. You're a run-of-the-mill Republican.

You have literally no evidence to back up this assertion.

[devil21]

You have literally no evidence to back up this assertion.

Your own statements that are calling one of the, if not the, highest rated liberty score congressman "not a libertarian" but a leftist, is all the evidence I need to know where you stand on the political ideology scale.

[Sammy]

You have literally no evidence to back up this assertion.

Anyone who is opposed to open borders is not a Libertarian to people like him.

[familydog]

Your own statements that are calling one of the, if not the, highest rated liberty score congressman "not a libertarian" but a leftist, is all the evidence I need to know where you stand on the political ideology scale.

Imagine getting this defensive over the honor of a politician that you have no personal connection with.

[PAF]

If Amash isn't a libertarian, you aren't either and should be honest about it. You're a run-of-the-mill Republican. For some reason people continue to act as if libertarians are nothing more than a subset of the GOP. Nope, wrong. OMG he said something that Elizabeth Warren also said? Oy vey! :rolleyes:
Some libertarian positions appeal to the left, some to the right, some to both and maybe some to neither, but the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" message appeals to many in the middle and the middle decides elections. That is why libertarians are treated as a scourge to the two party duopoly. Libertarians are a threat to that scamming, mind-controlling, divide and conquer duopoly which forces the middle to choose a side of the controlled duopoly.


^^^^THIS^^^^

And, notice how quiet Trumptarians are about this whole lockdown scam. If Obama were in office, they'd be screaming at the top of their lungs that it was all his fault and he should be held accountable.


You guys are awesome, along with CCTelander and a few others. Due to limitations I am always out of +REP

[PAF]

Anyone who is opposed to open borders is not a Libertarian to people like him.

Open Borders or Welfare.

Seems to me most prefer to be restricted/ask permission during their travels, want to distinguish them from us by way of modern tech such as eVerify, National ID and Biometrics, and employ more Federal workers to "crack down".

So, I will continue to preach End the Welfare, which will cost nothing fiscally or loss of liberty.

[Anti Federalist]

^^^^THIS^^^^

And, notice how quiet Trumptarians are about this whole lockdown scam. If Obama were in office, they'd be screaming at the top of their lungs that it was all his fault and he should be held accountable.

I'm not sure if I'm a Trumpertarian or not, but I know I have been screaming blue murder about it and defending armed resistance to "lockdownism" as even some of our weak kneed brothers get the vapors at the idea.

[Anti Federalist]

Open Borders or Welfare.

Seems to me most prefer to be restricted/ask permission during their travels, want to distinguish them from us by way of modern tech such as eVerify, National ID and Biometrics, and employ more Federal workers to "crack down".

So, I will continue to preach End the Welfare, which will cost nothing fiscally or loss of liberty.

Stop the invasion at the border before it gets here and all the rest of that nonsense becomes superfluous.

[dannno]

If Amash isn't a libertarian, you aren't either and should be honest about it. You're a run-of-the-mill Republican. For some reason people continue to act as if libertarians are nothing more than a subset of the GOP. Nope, wrong. OMG he said something that Elizabeth Warren also said? Oy vey! :rolleyes:
Some libertarian positions appeal to the left, some to the right, some to both and maybe some to neither, but the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" message appeals to many in the middle and the middle decides elections. That is why libertarians are treated as a scourge to the two party duopoly. Libertarians are a threat to that scamming, mind-controlling, divide and conquer duopoly which forces the middle to choose a side of the controlled duopoly.

Not sure how supporting the tyrannical deep state is libertarian.

[dannno]

^^^^THIS^^^^

And, notice how quiet Trumptarians are about this whole lockdown scam. If Obama were in office, they'd be screaming at the top of their lungs that it was all his fault and he should be held accountable.

Are you living under a rock? Every "Open the country" protest in the country has been almost entirely Trump supporters, and a few normies who want to go to the beach.

I don't know one single Trump supporter who supports the lockdown. Your post is probably the worst post in the history of the forum. Can you possibly be more misinformed? Is there any possible way you could be more wrong about something? I don't know.

The federal govt. has not closed the country, they have not produced any mandates. They have only given guidelines to the states. That is about as libertarian as it gets, son.

There is not a single person in the country who wants us to open up as bad as Trump. Not one.

[ProBlue33]

Justin Amash reminds me of Anakin Skywalker, started off good, but was corrupted by the dark side......

As Obiwan said "Well then you are lost"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nimMalPmEGE

[PAF]

Stop the invasion at the border before it gets here and all the rest of that nonsense becomes superfluous.

Like I said before: Those who sacrifice a tiny bit of liberty for manufactured false-flag fake security, will soon enough feel the full weight and power of Fed.gov.

One of the founders said that.

[Brian4Liberty]

Transgenderism or immigration? Which is more divisive in the liberty movement?

[Swordsmyth]

Justin Amash reminds me of Anakin Skywalker, started off good, but was corrupted by the dark side......

As Obiwan said "Well then you are lost"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nimMalPmEGE
Just wait until he becomes Darth Vader.
But there will be no deathbed redemption.

[PAF]

Transgenderism or immigration? Which is more divisive in the liberty movement?

Transgenderism - I don't want to see it, or hear about it. But I will not infringe upon their natural rights to do what they want.

Immigration - If/when enough people quit screaming bloody murder for walls and the requirement for human beings to sign up with Fed.gov, perhaps we can get back to private property and contract rights, reduce the number of Federal agents and programs, leave people alone who don't have "papers please" Biometric ID, and just end whatever incentives there might be. As it still stands at this moment, immigrants without papers cannot vote in national elections and cannot sign up for .gov programs such as welfare checks.

Immigration issues that Fed.gov instigate and cause cost me more in freedom and money than transgenderism does.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

If Amash isn't a libertarian, you aren't either and should be honest about it. You're a run-of-the-mill Republican. For some reason people continue to act as if libertarians are nothing more than a subset of the GOP. Nope, wrong. OMG he said something that Elizabeth Warren also said? Oy vey! :rolleyes:
Some libertarian positions appeal to the left, some to the right, some to both and maybe some to neither, but the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" message appeals to many in the middle and the middle decides elections. That is why libertarians are treated as a scourge to the two party duopoly. Libertarians are a threat to that scamming, mind-controlling, divide and conquer duopoly which forces the middle to choose a side of the controlled duopoly.
Bull. Shit. Fiscally conservative/socially liberal is a myth. It appeals to no one. Fiscally liberal/socially conservative is more popular FFS.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXGJGOKWkAEnaGU?format=jpg&name=small

[enhanced_deficit]

He's appears to be starting a dangerous political game (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?546111-Justin-Amash-endorses-Open-Borders-no-limits-on-yearly-immigration-to-US&p=6946309&viewfull=1#post6946309) that could have far reaching implications for both major political parties.

I was thinking he would be more of an educational candidate who if won a place on debate stage could educate more people. But with moves like this, could he cause trouble for both globalist neoconservatives/Israel lobby (right wing) funded GOPA candidate and Iraq war voting Dem candidate?
Not clear if would cause more damage to GOPA wing, former Clinton funding Democrat who had called Obama "totally a champion" and these days identifies as a MAGA Republican, OR good ol conservative Democrat Joe who stood behind Obama for 8 years.

[Swordsmyth]

Bull. $#@!. Fiscally conservative/socially liberal is a myth. It appeals to no one. Fiscally liberal/socially conservative is more popular FFS.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXGJGOKWkAEnaGU?format=jpg&name=small
Exactly, libertarians have been tricked into failure on purpose and that isn't the only way, wide open borders to allow all the parasites in the world to flood in attracted by the prosperity that liberty creates and then destroy liberty and prosperity is another.

[Sammy]

Open Borders or Welfare.

Seems to me most prefer to be restricted/ask permission during their travels, want to distinguish them from us by way of modern tech such as eVerify, National ID and Biometrics, and employ more Federal workers to "crack down".

So, I will continue to preach End the Welfare, which will cost nothing fiscally or loss of liberty.

I support the repeal of the welfare state. But I'm in the minority. About 3% of Americans or less agree with me.
But even if had no welfare state I would be for Immigration restriction.
We need to defend western civilization from other cultures.
Its almost impossible to assimilate people from Latin America,Africa & Muslim Countries.

[Sammy]

Transgenderism - I don't want to see it, or hear about it. But I will not infringe upon their natural rights to do what they want.



I agree with you. No special rights only natural rights!

[dannno]

Like I said before: Those who sacrifice a tiny bit of liberty for manufactured false-flag fake security, will soon enough feel the full weight and power of Fed.gov.

One of the founders said that.

What if it's Mexico's army? And what if they are stopping large scale child sex trafficking operations?

If I lived in a country where the children were being kidnapped and sent to another country for sex slavery, I might not feel that bad about putting the military on the border, private or otherwise.

[PAF]

What if it's Mexico's army? And what if they are stopping large scale child sex trafficking operations?

If I lived in a country where the children were being kidnapped and sent to another country for sex slavery, I might not feel that bad about putting the military on the border, private or otherwise.

So now you want me to entertain “what if” scenarios, and turn the topic to of age of consent, in order to beg fed.gov on my knees to do what ever it takes to fully strip me of my Natural Born rights?

Puhhhhleeeeeease! Give me GD break!!!

[dannno]

So now you want me to entertain “what if” scenarios, and turn the topic to of age of consent, in order to beg fed.gov on my knees to do what ever it takes to fully strip me of my Natural Born rights?

Puhhhhleeeeeease! Give me GD break!!!

I'm asking you to entertain reality and increase your individual rights.

See, you are confusing something major here.

You are saying, "don't give up your liberty for safety."

To AF.

Do you realize the fatal flaw of what you just did?

AF never trades liberty for safety.

AF might trade a small amount of liberty for a greater amount of liberty. Which is precisely what is happening here.

I would trade a 40% income tax for a 1% consumption tax. Because it increases my liberty. Most people who believe in liberty would do that to increase their liberty.

Your brain works differently, and I can't wrap my head around it. But I'm not sure I want to. I would prefer more liberty at the end of the day.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm asking you to entertain reality and increase your individual rights.

See, you are confusing something major here.

You are saying, "don't give up your liberty for safety."

To AF.

Do you realize the fatal flaw of what you just did?

AF never trades liberty for safety.

AF might trade a small amount of liberty for a greater amount of liberty. Which is precisely what is happening here.

I would trade a 40% income tax for a 1% consumption tax. Because it increases my liberty. Most people who believe in liberty would do that to increase their liberty.

Your brain works differently, and I can't wrap my head around it. But I'm not sure I want to. I would prefer more liberty at the end of the day.
His brain may work just fine, all it would take is for him to have different goals in mind than maximizing liberty.

[eleganz]

Its pretty clear why Justin is going hard on all these issues like trans, climate, and open borders. He made a name for himself being one of the most hardcore anti-Trump names so there is a small fanbase on the left, he is capitalizing on it.

Im not gonna knock him on the strategy because you do whatever it takes to gain traction, otherwise why even run? But its just not a good look overall and considering the feedback I'm seeing from liberty peeps, nobody is impressed, except a few here and there who were anti-Trump to begin with. Basically Justin traded support within libertarian community and replaced it with progressives.

End of the day, he will get less votes than Gary "What is Aleppo" Johnson in 2016, this is all but a forgone conclusion.

[CCTelander]

His brain may work just fine, all it would take is for him to have different goals in mind than maximizing liberty.


Back to your false accusations against other, better members again, I see. Please stop.

[Swordsmyth]

Back to your false accusations against other, better members again, I see. Please stop.

:sleeping:

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, flies like a duck and quacks like a duck it may be a duck.

[CCTelander]

:sleeping:

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, flies like a duck and quacks like a duck it may be a duck.


In other words, No you have no intention of stopping. Didn't think so. Fuck off then.

While I still do not support bans, I must admit that the air around here was much cleaner while you were serving yours. Sometimes good things do come from less than ideal actions, it seems.

[Swordsmyth]

In other words, No you have no intention of stopping. Didn't think so. $#@! off then.
Another duck is heard quacking.

[devil21]

Not sure how supporting the tyrannical deep state is libertarian.

It's just funny now how you write that with full on seriousness, while everyone in the White House is a CFR member.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4994zmltMkA

This video is constantly de-ranked by Youtube and has to be reuploaded repeatedly. The guys in the masks are Skull and Bones members from the 50's but the original picture doesn't have the masks. One of them is GHWB.




Bull. Shit. Fiscally conservative/socially liberal is a myth. It appeals to no one. Fiscally liberal/socially conservative is more popular FFS.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXGJGOKWkAEnaGU?format=jpg&name=small

No source at all. Looks scientific and clearly has nothing to do with the limited choices and lying rhetoric of both candidates in that election. 90% of "elections" aren't about issues but are instead of about fear of the other candidate.

[dannno]

It's just funny now how you write that with full on seriousness, while everyone in the White House is a CFR member.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4994zmltMkA

This video is constantly de-ranked by Youtube and has to be reuploaded repeatedly. The guys in the masks are Skull and Bones members from the 50's but the original picture doesn't have the masks. One of them is GHWB.

Trump attacks Bush after 43rd president offers message of unity
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/03/politics/george-w-bush-coronavirus-partisanship-trump/index.html

[dannno]

Bull. Shit. Fiscally conservative/socially liberal is a myth. It appeals to no one. Fiscally liberal/socially conservative is more popular FFS.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXGJGOKWkAEnaGU?format=jpg&name=small

This graph makes no sense, why are all the blue people for shutting down the country and all the red people for re-opening it if the blues are so far down on the authoritarian scale?

[acptulsa]

Bull. $#@!. Fiscally conservative/socially liberal is a myth. It appeals to no one. Fiscally liberal/socially conservative is more popular FFS.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXGJGOKWkAEnaGU?format=jpg&name=small

Fiscally conservative/socially liberal is the top left corner of that graph. How do you figure it's less popular than fiscally liberal/socially conservative, which is the area you circled? There doesn't seem to be anyone there but Clinton, Trump and their cronies.

[devil21]

Fiscally conservative/socially liberal is the top left corner of that graph. How do you figure it's less popular than fiscally liberal/socially conservative, which is the area you circled? There doesn't seem to be anyone there but Clinton, Trump and their cronies.

Does it? I couldn't decipher what the chart even meant to display. I just assumed it was unsourced bs.

[acptulsa]

Does it? I couldn't decipher what the chart even meant to display. I just assumed it was unsourced bs.

It is. It could only be the result of exit polling voters who likely don't even know what they are.

It's still doesn't say what ThePaleoLibrarian says it does.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Fiscally conservative/socially liberal is the top left corner of that graph. How do you figure it's less popular than fiscally liberal/socially conservative, which is the area you circled? There doesn't seem to be anyone there but Clinton, Trump and their cronies.
You can't even read a graph. The top left is socially conservative/economically liberal. Positive numbers are more conservative on both axes. What's relevant is how few people identify as socially liberal and fiscally conservative, which is what's circled. Very few people identify this way.

[susano]

No it's not enough. The degree to what humans contribute to global warming isn't really known. But there is something humans can do.


lol You made all of this up. Cats and dogs living together. And this two issues are minor in the scheme of things.

Enjoy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxdvOLdG_34

[susano]

How would you interrupt this aspect of the Marxist and SJW agenda? Especially given that a large percentage of the population supports the Marxist agenda (secretly or openly), or they don't care about it?

What has Amash suggested that is so supportive of the Marxist agenda? Does he support public education which includes trans education? Does he support drag-queen story hour for children?

Unfortunately, Hollywood and the media are the prime movers and advertisers of this agenda. I suspect Amash has not called for censorship of entertainment and the media.

So what is a liberty-oriented solution?

Live Drag queen shows for children should not be allowed. Same with strippers. It is adult oriented, and not appropriate. Does that require a law, or just push back at the morons who want to organize these events for children at public schools and libraries?

Well, he indicated that the word "sex", as in specific protections in federal law, is open to interpretation. That's critical theory, right there (subjective definition) and a lie as far as the truth and DNA goes. Maybe he should be shooting for amending federal law (which I would just get rid of) to include protected designations that fall outside of "sex" (male, female) to include other categories like transvestite, transsexual, furry, adult babies, sissies and various fetishes. Because he's talking about federal law, that would apply to something like title IX so males claiming to be females, as well as the reverse, would have federal protection to compete in the sports of the sex they claim to be (but are not) and to share their locker rooms and bathrooms. It would go far beyond that one example, as you know.

The liberty solution is that people are free to present as they wish, without legal protections based upon them being something they aren't.

[acptulsa]

You can't even read a graph. The top left is socially conservative/economically liberal. Positive numbers are more conservative on both axes. What's relevant is how few people identify as socially liberal and fiscally conservative, which is what's circled. Very few people identify this way.

I can't read a graph? Obviously you can act like a jerk. At least, I assume it's an act.

You assume because the words "social dimension" are vertical they describe the y axis, and because "economic dimension" is printed horizontally they describe the x axis. And most charts do have legends that describe the adjacent set of numbers. In other words, the label is next to the axis it describes, which is easy when the axis is the edge of the chart. But many Cartesian planes are labeled with the axes pointing at their labels, which is the only way to put the legend next to the axis short of writing the label in the data.

If you don't believe me, why don't you cite your source, so we can inquire?

[presence]

The text is clear on the website of the party whose nomination he seeks, the Libertarian Party, which states matter of factly: “A matter as personal as gender identification should be decided by the person involved, not by the government.”

Amash on Transgender


“I’ve always held the view that the government should not be a part of marriage. I think that marriage should be a private contract or a religious ceremony and not something that the government is a part of. But if the government is going to be a part of marriage for straight couples, then it must also allow others to get married.”

“Real threat to traditional marriage and religious liberty is government, not gay couples who love each other and want to spend lives together.”

Amash on Environment



"I do think the federal government has a role in the environment,"

"A strong and prosperous economy is what helps keep the environment clean,"

"The stronger the economy, the more your country innovates."

"There are places where the EPA should have a role, but I do think the EPA overreaches."

"I do support eliminating the EPA's authority over those things."


"Government subsidies, regulations (like cap & trade), and taxes result in costlier and less efficient forms of energy than would be produced in the free market. Instead of letting you and me determine our needs, government intervention rewards energy producers with the most political pull, while discouraging innovation & eliminating the incentive to reduce costs. Energy sources that truly meet the demands of consumers will thrive in the marketplace and do not need government handouts to remain viable"


"I pledge to the taxpayers of my state, and to the American people, that I will oppose any legislation relating to climate change that includes a net increase in government revenue."

[Ender]

The text is clear on the website of the party whose nomination he seeks, the Libertarian Party, which states matter of factly: “A matter as personal as gender identification should be decided by the person involved, not by the government.”

Amash on Transgender

Amash on Environment

I'd +rep you again, if I could!

[devil21]

You can't even read a graph. The top left is socially conservative/economically liberal. Positive numbers are more conservative on both axes. What's relevant is how few people identify as socially liberal and fiscally conservative, which is what's circled. Very few people identify this way.

What is the source of the graph?

[devil21]

Since it pained me to actually click on the OP's link, here's the source link and contains more relevant info on the whole topic, instead of cherry-picking one portion and spinning it like the OP's link does. I particularly liked the addition of Justin's other civil liberties stances such as his opposition to NDAA's indefinite detention, among others.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2020/05/01/as-president-justin-amash-says-i-would-protect-transgender-americans/#4ad5e2308d06



Rep. Justin Amash, the Independent congressman from Michigan who is considering running for president, vowed to support the rights of the LGBTQ community, in particular transgender Americans.

“I would protect transgender Americans under the protections that exist for sex,” Amash said in a telephone interview Friday. Amash, the former Tea Party Republican who defected from the GOP in July and voted for impeachment of President Donald Trump in January, announced on Wednesday he is forming a presidential exploratory campaign, as a Libertarian candidate.

Although it might be unusual for a Republican to stake such a claim, his endorsement of trans rights as well as marriage equality are in line with well-established Libertarian platform positions.

“I think that people can take the term ‘sex’ that's in federal law and interpret it to mean things beyond what it traditionally meant,” said Amash. In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court is expected to rule any day now on that interpretation, as to whether trans Americans are protected from discrimination on the job by a key provision of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination in employment because of sex.

“Sometimes, we have to catch up to the law,” Amash continued. “In other words, the law is written and the law will be fairly broad, and the public and the courts are not actually caught up to what is actually in the text.”

The text is clear on the website of the party whose nomination he seeks, the Libertarian Party, which states matter of factly: “A matter as personal as gender identification should be decided by the person involved, not by the government.”
Transgender Troops

However, the record shows that when it came time to vote whether to condemn the president’s ban on trans troops serving in the U.S. Military, then-Republican Amash voted “present” rather than take a stand. He did not join five of his GOP colleagues who broke rank with the president and aligned with Democrats to pass the non-binding resolution.

Following publication of this post, the Amash campaign reached out to note that the congressman did cast a subsequent vote on an amendment in June 2019, in which the House moved to block the Department of Defense from spending appropriated funds to implement the trans military ban. Rep. Amash was one of nine Republicans to vote in favor of the amendment and it passed, 243-183, with a dozen members of the House not casting a vote.

But a month later — just days after switching parties — the congressman cast a vote against another amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA. The amendment by Rep. Jackie Speier (D) Calif., would enshrine into law that any person who meets gender-neutral occupational standards can serve in the military regardless of race, color, national origin, religion or sex, including gender identity or sexual orientation, as The Hill reported in July 2019. Rep. Amash is recorded as opposing this amendment that was aimed at reversing the president’s trans military ban.

Here’s what a campaign spokesperson said in response to a question about his “no” vote:

“The Speier amendment went around the executive order and instead changed the law to add a new standard of "equality of treatment" for everyone in the Armed Forces (not just transgender persons). It's not clear what impact this new standard would have in a military context, or whether it was appropriately drafted for that context given the military's mandate to maximize the nation's defenses with available resources, so the feeling was that it deserved more careful consideration and deliberation than a minimally debated amendment.”

The Speier amendment passed with the support of ten Republicans.

Amash also offered his own amendment to the NDAA, seeking to eliminate indefinite military detention of any person detained under the Authorization for Use of Military Force resolution of 2001. It was one of eight of the 58 amendments defeated.

If elected as the first Libertarian president, would Amash seek to change the 2015 Supreme Court ruling on marriage equality? “No, I support gay marriage and I have supported it for a long time,” Amash said, lining up with the Libertarians’ four-decade history of support. “I've always held the view that the government should not be a part of marriage. I think that marriage should be a private contract or a religious ceremony and not something that the government is a part of. But if the government is going to be a part of marriage for straight couples, then it must also allow others to get married.”
Sexual Assault

Asked bluntly about the reports of sexual assault allegations now being weighed against the presumptive Democratic nominee, former Vice President Joe Biden, and the long history of such accusations against President Trump, Amash volunteered that he is skeleton-free.

“I have nothing in my closet,” the congressman said. “As for these individuals, everyone deserves due process and the people making the accusations deserve to be heard. And we should have a fair process for everyone where both sides, both parties, are having their concerns addressed, and have their issues fairly deliberated.”
Amash’s Voting Record

Amash publicly vowed he would not vote for Trump in 2016, and told me he won’t vote for him this November, either. When presented with FiveThirtyEight’s account of his voting record, which shows over the course of his political career he voted in line with the president’s position 63.8% of the time, Amash maintained that showed he was still “fairly independent.”

“I think you have to take those numbers with a grain of salt,” Amash said. “I'm one of the most independent members of Congress. I'm pretty sure, statistically now, I'm the most independent member of Congress. But when I was a Republican, I would be the most independent Republican. So it reflected independence, a willingness to do what I think is right. And I follow the Constitution, represent my constituents, and I don't worry about the party labels.”
Ending The Logjam

It’s that stuck-in-the-mud partisanship that the co-founder of the Freedom Caucus said has prompted him to enter the race, in hopes he can move Washington out of its rut. Politico headlined its report about his potential campaign: “Justin Amash Wants to Destroy the System That Created Trump.”

“The two parties are destroying the system on their own,” Amash said. “But they're destroying it in a way that will leave millions of Americans unrepresented. So, I want to create a new system that restores the way our government is supposed to work, and that means people having actual representation in Congress and executive branch actually executes the law instead of writing laws.”

Amash pointed to the leadership of both parties as carrying the blame for the logjam, and leaving rank and file representatives unable to participate in the process as it was designed. The result, he said, is that “millions of Americans go unrepresented. Our system is not working for them. It's failing them... So members of Congress don't actually debate legislation in the same way they used to. Now, they just debate personalities.”
Family Life
New Congress

House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio administers the House oath to Rep. Justin Amash, R-Mich., during ... [+] ASSOCIATED PRESS

Amash, a married father of three — two girls and a boy — said launching a presidential campaign during a pandemic lockdown is far from ideal.

“We're all at home together, so they have to be a little quieter than normal. I'm doing a lot of interviews, but they're very supportive, very loving,” he said. And his kids apparently are already invested in seeing their dad in the White House.

“My daughters yesterday made a campaign video for me, you know, to show their support. And it was really it was actually really quite funny. So they've been very kind, very loving and very supportive.” Amash wouldn’t say whether he’ll actually add that video to his campaign site.
Amash’s Message

What he is focused on, he said, was getting out the message about why he’s different from Trump, from Biden, and from former wrestler and former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura, also weighing a potential run as another third-party candidate.

“I think it's important when we think about what we want in a president, we think about honesty and practicality and capability. And too often we're settling for candidates who don't represent those qualities, but are just the candidates who made it through their particular party primaries,” Amash said. “And we need to rethink this. We really should vote for the candidate who is the most qualified and the one we want to represent us. That's the only way this system is going to change. And it's easy to always say wait till the next election. But now is the time and we have a real opportunity. And I'm confident that I will present a strong contrast between myself and the other candidates over the course of this campaign.”

[tebowlives]

Enjoy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxdvOLdG_34
No thanks I don't listen to kids when it comes to policy. I also don't listen to people who think the transgender issue is make or break.

[enhanced_deficit]

I can support purist ideas at times to prioritize a principle. But in this case, I can be pragmatic and would be ok with a billion $ spent on domestic/global LGBTQ rights campaigns provided he cuts $50 billions in yearly foreign aid (recently read news about $38 Billion taxpayers foreign aid to our closest ally and only non-racist democracy in mideast supported by neocons funded GOPA leader) that probably costs $Trillions in blowback costs. This is to make a point about dumb priorities that have plagued Republican party since at least it stood behind Bush-Cheney's $6 Trillion global war on terra and overlooked millions of lives/limbs destruction while never forgetting to hold 'pro life' rallies. Tremendous hypocrisy.

Anyways, point of discussions is to enhance our understanding of differing views on issues and that entails answering directly posed questions. But after posting an article that appears to be from a Deep Zionism/Globalsit Neocons (not necessarily same ones that fund current 'fool me twice' GOPA wing) agenda pushing site, OP has not reappeared to answer questions posed.

So another Q to better understand OP view.


Which driving principle is behind this concern about some potential future spending on LGBTQ civil rights by a junior political candidate who had a good track record on liberty issues?

A- Is it concern for US debt/Big Gummit Spending ?

Or is it driven by opposition to progressive LGBTQ approach?

Or is it driven by opposition to his candidacy due to some other reason?

Or something else?


I'm guessing A can be ruled out , cuz if one is concerned about a potential small FUTURE spending that may or may not happen , one would certainly make time to criticize 1000s times bigger spending like this taking place in PRESENT time right under our noses?


US national debt hits a record $25 trillion

Trump pledged to remove the national debt within eight years of office. Four years in, it has risen by $5 trillion. And it shows no signs of slowing down.
By Daniel Phillips
May 7, 2020
The national debt is now just inches away from breaking the record for highest debt to GDP ratio in US history.
The United States national debt has just crossed the $25 trillion threshold after adding $7 trillion in the last five years.
Since the start of the 2019/2020 fiscal year (beginning October 1, 2019), the US national debt has ballooned by more than 10% alone, climbing from $22.7 billion to its current value of $25 trillion, or $25,057,924,023,406.80 to be precise.

Mike Pence: “I was Tea Party before it was cool” https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/rep-mike-pence-rind-speaks-to-the-crowd-at-the-tea-party-patriots-picture-id111308848?s=612x612
(https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/tea-party-crowd)

Actions also speak louder than words.

To the untrained eye, such a stance with glaring omissions appears contradictory.

[CaptainAmerica]

Rep. Justin Amash (L-MI) has announced that protecting transgenderism is high on his priority list, and he would expend federal resources if he were elected president to harbor the delusions of these severely mentally ill individuals.

“I would protect transgender Americans under the protections that exist for sex,” Amash said during a radio interview on Friday.

Amash, who claims to be a crusader against government overreach, would expand current federal laws that are on the books to protect trannies.

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“I think that people can take the term ‘sex’ that’s in federal law and interpret it to mean things beyond what it traditionally meant,” said Amash.

“Sometimes, we have to catch up to the law. In other words, the law is written and the law will be fairly broad, and the public and the courts are not actually caught up to what is actually in the text,” he added, setting the stage for a vast expansion of federal power.

Amash has a long record of supporting government intervention to facilitate transgenderism. He once voted to appropriate taxpayer dollars from Christians and other Americans so military personnel could have their genitals mutilated:



Amash announced his presidential campaign last week, likely an effort to sabotage President Trump in the key battleground state of Michigan. But with Amash going around promoting trannies, he may pull more liberal voters than conservatives.

Source: Big League Politics (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/justin-amash-says-that-he-will-use-federal-dollars-to-protect-transgenderism-as-president/)

amash isva traitor

[devil21]

Quality comment there Cap'n. Deep thinking on display, indeed. Keep up the hard work.

[susano]

No thanks I don't listen to kids when it comes to policy. I also don't listen to people who think the transgender issue is make or break.

Well, you listen to Amash who decided it's an important issue for him.

[susano]

I can support purist ideas at times to prioritize a principle. But in this case, I can be pragmatic and would be ok with a billion $ spent on domestic/global LGBTQ rights campaigns provided he cuts $50 billions in yearly foreign aid (recently read news about $38 Billion taxpayers foreign aid to our closest ally and only non-racist democracy in mideast supported by neocons funded GOPA leader) that probably costs $Trillions in blowback costs. This is to make a point about dumb priorities that have plagued Republican party since at least it stood behind Bush-Cheney's $6 Trillion global war on terra and overlooked millions of lives/limbs destruction while never forgetting to hold 'pro life' rallies. Tremendous hypocrisy.

Anyways, point of discussions is to enhance our understanding of differing views on issues and that entails answering directly posed questions. But after posting an article that appears to be from a Deep Zionism/Globalsit Neocons (not necessarily same ones that fund current 'fool me twice' GOPA wing) agenda pushing site, OP has not reappeared to answer questions posed.

So another Q to better understand OP view.


Which driving principle is behind this concern about some potential future spending on LGBTQ civil rights by a junior political candidate who had a good track record on liberty issues?

A- Is it concern for US debt/Big Gummit Spending ?

Or is it driven by opposition to progressive LGBTQ approach?

Or is it driven by opposition to his candidacy due to some other reason?

Or something else?


I'm guessing A can be ruled out , cuz if one is concerned about a potential small FUTURE spending that may or may not happen , one would certainly make time to criticize 1000s times bigger spending like this taking place in PRESENT time right under our noses?


US national debt hits a record $25 trillion

Trump pledged to remove the national debt within eight years of office. Four years in, it has risen by $5 trillion. And it shows no signs of slowing down.
By Daniel Phillips
May 7, 2020
The national debt is now just inches away from breaking the record for highest debt to GDP ratio in US history.
The United States national debt has just crossed the $25 trillion threshold after adding $7 trillion in the last five years.
Since the start of the 2019/2020 fiscal year (beginning October 1, 2019), the US national debt has ballooned by more than 10% alone, climbing from $22.7 billion to its current value of $25 trillion, or $25,057,924,023,406.80 to be precise.

Mike Pence: “I was Tea Party before it was cool” https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/rep-mike-pence-rind-speaks-to-the-crowd-at-the-tea-party-patriots-picture-id111308848?s=612x612
(https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/tea-party-crowd)

Actions also speak louder than words.

To the untrained eye, such a stance with glaring omissions appears contradictory.

Just look at it (closely):

https://usdebtclock.org/

[tebowlives]

Well, you listen to Amash who decided it's an important issue for him.
lol Because he comments on it doesn't mean it's anywhere near the top of the list. Plus did he never say to increase spending for it?

[tebowlives]

amash isva traitor
He wants to bring the troops home and lower Federal spending. He's not the traitor here.

[Swordsmyth]

He wants to bring the troops home and lower Federal spending. He's not the traitor here.
No, he wants to impeach the President that is trying to do those things and make sure a Demoncrat that will not wins the election, he's a traitor.

[Swordsmyth]

Well, you listen to Amash who decided it's an important issue for him.

http://ponerology.com/evil_2b.html
“In any society in this world, psychopathic individuals and some of the other deviant types create a ponerogenically active network of common collusions, partially estranged from the community of normal people… Their sense of honor bids them to cheat and revile that ‘other’ human world and its values at every opportunity.”
“Living in a world whose morals and customs are meaningless to them and even seen as oppressive, psychopaths dream of a “happy” and “just” world where their depraved worldview is accepted as reality. They seek, by any means necessary, to achieve positions in government where their dreams can be brought to fruition. If injustice does exist in a society, their statements regarding the ‘unfairness’ of their situation can resonate with those who actually do experience such injustice. Thus, revolutionary doctrines can be accepted by both groups for diametrically opposed reasons.”

[tebowlives]

No, he wants to impeach the President that is trying to do those things and make sure a Demoncrat that will not wins the election, he's a traitor.
No, that doesn't make him a traitor. What makes people traitors are those who make things up and throw Liberty politicians under the bus because for some reason they don't think Trump is a lying, flip flopping POS.

[acptulsa]

He wants to bring the troops home and lower Federal spending. He's not the traitor here.

No, he wants to impeach the President that is trying to do those things and make sure a Demoncrat that will not wins the election, he's a traitor.

He does?

And what country is this person the president of?

[tebowlives]

He does?Yes His votes tell us that.


And what country is this person the president of?Ant why does this matter?

[acptulsa]

Yes His votes tell us that.

Amash wants to impeach somebody who's trying to lower spending and bring some troops home? I still want to know who that is, because I haven't heard about this.

[tebowlives]

Amash wants to impeach somebody who's trying to lower spending and bring some troops home? I still want to know who that is, because I haven't heard about this.
lol Stop you know I'm speaking of Amash. And yes the current and almost every President has not vetoed increased spending and not brought the troops home. Which is why I'll won't support Trump, who isn't as bad as Obama or Bush but is still bad. Slightly tempted but I do understand the lessor of 2 evils thing.

[dannno]

The text is clear on the website of the party whose nomination he seeks, the Libertarian Party, which states matter of factly: “A matter as personal as gender identification should be decided by the person involved, not by the government.”

On what planet is that an issue?

I think conservatives are more concerned about getting arrested for using the wrong gender pronoun.