Trump budget would cut $4.4T in spending

[Swordsmyth]

The White House (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/executive/white-house) on Sunday unveiled a $4.8 trillion budget proposal that would slash spending dramatically on foreign aid and social safety nets, while including $2 billion for a southern border wall and substantially boosting funding to NASA, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Department of Homeland Security. (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/executive/homeland-security)
Fox News has confirmed the details of the budget, which The Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-to-propose-4-8-trillion-budget-with-big-safety-net-cuts-11581274525) first reported (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-to-propose-4-8-trillion-budget-with-big-safety-net-cuts-11581274525). The package, set to be formally announced on Monday, as-is stood little chance of passage in the House of Representatives, which the Democrats have controlled. Still, it served as a signal of the president's priorities as Republicans have aimed to retake the chamber in the 2020 elections.
The plan aims to eliminate the federal deficit (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/28/federal-deficit-one-trillion-trump-107901) -- or the difference between spending and revenue that is slated to exceed $1 trillion (https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56020) this year -- by 2035. In all, the White House is seeking to cut $4.4 trillion in federal spending over the next 10 years, including reductions in spending on food stamps and federal disability benefits through more stringent work and eligibility requirements.

Total cuts to "non-defense discretionary programs,” which do not include Medicare or Social Security, amount to $2 trillion in savings under the plan. The budget additionally calls for renewing the Trump administration's tax cuts for individuals and families that would otherwise expire in 2025. Modifications in Medicare prescription-drug pricing would account for $130 billion in savings.

Foreign aid would be reduced by 21 percent, in keeping with the president's push to have other countries pay what he calls their "fair share" for their own defense (https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/trump-allies-must-start-paying-their-fair-share).


The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) would face a massive 26-percent reduction in funding. The Trump administration has rolled back (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-epa-rolls-back-obamas-coal-crackdown) Obama-era EPA regulations and oversight, saying they have hurt the economy for little benefit.
The proposal also would cut the Department of Housing and Urban Development's budget by 15 percent, while incorporating $2.8 billion for grants to help combat homelessness. And, The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would see a 9 percent cut, although its $4.3 billion allocation for fighting infectious disease would remain amid the coronavirus spread.

More at: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-budget-foreign-aid-defense-border-wall-veterans-homeland-security

[timosman]

Over the next 10 years. :tears:

[devil21]

Yeah, yeah heard it. "Never again." That was in 2018.

[Swordsmyth]

Over the next 10 years. :tears:
It's a start.

Congress won't pass anything better.........................Yet.

[Pauls' Revere]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-to-propose-dollar48-trillion-budget-with-big-safety-net-cuts/ar-BBZOHig?ocid=spartanntp

The proposal is unlikely to become law, however, as Democrats control the House and spending bills in the GOP-led Senate need bipartisan support. Democrats signaled their opposition later Sunday to the administration’s budget plan, which Rep. John Yarmuth (D., Ky.), Chairman of the House Budget Committee, called “destructive and irrational.”

[timosman]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-to-propose-dollar48-trillion-budget-with-big-safety-net-cuts/ar-BBZOHig?ocid=spartanntp

The proposal is unlikely to become law, however, as Democrats control the House and spending bills in the GOP-led Senate need bipartisan support. Democrats signaled their opposition later Sunday to the administration’s budget plan, which Rep. John Yarmuth (D., Ky.), Chairman of the House Budget Committee, called “destructive and irrational.”

Was the Jewish immigrant talking about the Speaker of the House?

[Pauls' Revere]

Was the Jewish immigrant talking about the Speaker of the House?

Mr. Yarmuth criticized Mr. Trump’s proposal as targeting “programs that help Americans make ends meet—all while extending his tax cuts for millionaires and wealthy corporations,” he said in a statement, adding that “Congress will stand firm against this President’s broken promises.”

[Pauls' Revere]

Budget analysts expect lawmakers to punt final decisions on 2021 spending until after the November election, and instead fund the government with temporary spending measures for the first few months of the fiscal year.

Expect budget turmoil next Fall...:rolleyes:

NASA would see a 12% increase next year under Mr. Trump’s proposal as he seeks to fulfill his goal of returning astronauts to the moon by 2024. On the other hand, the Environmental Protection Agency’s spending would be slashed by 26%.

[Pauls' Revere]

The White House proposes to cut spending by $4.4 trillion over a decade. Of that, it targets $2 trillion in savings from mandatory spending programs, including $130 billion from changes to Medicare prescription-drug pricing, $292 billion from safety-net cuts—such as work requirements for Medicaid and food stamps—and $70 billion from tightening eligibility access to disability benefits.

See, here's the problem. Its all nice and good but during the next ten years we're going to have three different administrations. How much if any of this is going to stick? All it takes is an administration to reverse and/or undo what was previously done.

[TheTexan]

TSee, here's the problem. Its all nice and good but during the next ten years we're going to have three different administrations. How much if any of this is going to stick? All it takes is an administration to reverse and/or undo what was previously done.

The next administration will be Don Jr, then it will be Ivanka. Then maybe Rand. So we are good for at least the next 28 years.

[Swordsmyth]

The next administration will be Don Jr, then it will be Ivanka. Then maybe Rand. So we are good for at least the next 28 years.
Jim Jordan will be somewhere in there and then there is Eric and Barron.
We won't need Ivanka.

[oyarde]

Cutting foreign aid 21 percent should be applauded . Even the RPF Leftists should like that . The rest of it ( I did not read it ) may not be any good but that part is a great start .

[enhanced_deficit]

The White House (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/executive/white-house) on Sunday unveiled a $4.8 trillion budget proposal that would slash spending dramatically on foreign aid and social safety nets, while including $2 billion for a southern border wall and substantially boosting funding to NASA, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Department of Homeland Security. (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/executive/homeland-security)
Fox News has confirmed the details of the budget, which The Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-to-propose-4-8-trillion-budget-with-big-safety-net-cuts-11581274525) first reported (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-to-propose-4-8-trillion-budget-with-big-safety-net-cuts-11581274525). The package, set to be formally announced on Monday, as-is stood little chance of passage in the House of Representatives, which the Democrats have controlled.

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EM.

This if confirmed as non-fakenews could be a game changer for launching small gummit and cutting national debt.

National Debt Increased by $3 Trillion During Donald Trump's Three Years as President (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?543674-National-Debt-Increased-by-3-Trillion-During-Donald-Trump-s-Three-Years-as-President&)

Trump's 2019 budget request includes increase in US foreign aid to Israel FEBRUARY 13, 2018

"[For] Israel, the total is $3.3 billion, which is a $200 million increase from the previous year and reflects the newly signed 10-year MOU [memorandum of understanding]," he said. In September, the US and Israel signed a 10-year MOU providing $38 billion in defense aid to Israel through 2028.




This if turned out to be a non-fake PR unlike 2nd amendment statements to win 2016 and he really did stand up to foreign firster lobbies/ slashed aid to global socialism parasite states, it would also help deflate far right conspiracy theories that claimed MAGA was a plant of globalist neocons groomed to fool GOP bases.


http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/assets/4774856/fy2015foreignaidpercapita.png




As an additional plus, it also could help demolish any notions that slick talking politicians can fool GOP basse... no more.



Jared Kushner 'admitted Donald Trump lies to his base because he thinks they're stupid'
Trump's son-in-law said 'He just knows Republicans are stupid and they’ll buy it,' according to former New York Observer editor Maya Oppenheim

Wednesday 31 May 2017


independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/jared-kushner-donald-trump-lied-base-stupid-voters-supporters-president-son-in-law-white-house-a7764791.html

[timosman]

per capita of the giving or receiving country? :confused:

[Zippyjuan]

It's a start.

Congress won't pass anything better.........................Yet.

As a "start", his "budget cuts" call for spending $4.8 trillion next year- which is $300 billion MORE than this year's $4.5 trillion budget. Cuts are always far into the future and never seem to happen. Smoke and mirrors. Fake campaign propaganda.


The White House on Sunday unveiled a $4.8 trillion budget proposal

They are also forecasting at least three percent growth for the next 15 years- when growth has not hit 3% for any year under Trump meaning they are heavily inflating revenue projections above what would be realistic. 2.9% was the highest under Trump (2015).

https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/188165/annual-gdp-growth-of-the-united-states-since-1990.jpg

[Sammy]

It's a far better Budget than proposed by anybody MSM Republican.
It wouldn't pass since most Republicans (except the House Freedom Caucus) don't care about the National Debt.

[dannno]

I think the point is that with all of Trump's successes, there are many people here who don't care about any of those successes because "muh spending"

What you don't seem to realize is that there isn't much Trump could do about that anyway, as this thread has demonstrated, so why complain about Trump not doing something that is not in the cards?

If you want to cut spending, then it's a matter of getting fiscally conservative anti-war Republicans into the House and Senate. Sure, you could even get anti-war Democrats in where Republicans can't be elected, that would help too.

This all seems pretty obvious to me, but there are so many people on this site who won't give Trump any credit for his successes because of this one issue that he doesn't really have control over.

[oyarde]

As a "start", his "budget cuts" call for spending $4.8 trillion next year- which is $300 billion MORE than this year's $4.5 trillion budget. Cuts are always far into the future and never seem to happen. Smoke and mirrors. Fake campaign propaganda.



They are also forecasting at least three percent growth for the next 15 years- when growth has not hit 3% for any year under Trump meaning they are heavily inflating revenue projections above what would be realistic.

While 3 - 4 percent sounds good I doubt that it will ever happen without eliminating a lot more regulation. To ever get those numbers even minimum wage probably needs eliminated . Cannot picture the current Pelosi lead house cutting restrictions to help people.

[TheTexan]

I think the point is that with all of Trump's successes, there are many people here who don't care about any of those successes because "muh spending"

What you don't seem to realize is that there isn't much Trump could do about that anyway, as this thread has demonstrated, so why complain about Trump not doing something that is not in the cards?

If you want to cut spending, then it's a matter of getting fiscally conservative anti-war Republicans into the House and Senate. Sure, you could even get anti-war Democrats in where Republicans can't be elected, that would help too.

This all seems pretty obvious to me, but there are so many people on this site who won't give Trump any credit for his successes because of this one issue that he doesn't really have control over.

Trump wants to do huge spending cuts, to save money for things like a space force moon base :up:

[Zippyjuan]

I think the point is that with all of Trump's successes, there are many people here who don't care about any of those successes because "muh spending"

What you don't seem to realize is that there isn't much Trump could do about that anyway, as this thread has demonstrated, so why complain about Trump not doing something that is not in the cards?

If you want to cut spending, then it's a matter of getting fiscally conservative anti-war Republicans into the House and Senate. Sure, you could even get anti-war Democrats in where Republicans can't be elected, that would help too.

This all seems pretty obvious to me, but there are so many people on this site who won't give Trump any credit for his successes because of this one issue that he doesn't really have control over.

Trump had control of the Presidency, House, and Senate for two years. Cut nothing.

[oyarde]

The country seriously may not even be capable of getting back to 3 percent. Think about it . We are on a run of 12 years since the crash . Things are as good as it gets . Plenty of work for everyone . If you want to get it better govt has to start getting out of the way of small business . Otherwise this is where you are until the next decline.

[dannno]

Trump had control of the Presidency, House, and Senate for two years. Cut nothing.

A middle school student who got a C in US history I think could point out the glaring mistake in this sentence.

[dannno]

The country seriously may not even be capable of getting back to 3 percent. Think about it . We are on a run of 12 years since the crash . Things are as good as it gets . Plenty of work for everyone . If you want to get it better govt has to start getting out of the way of small business . Otherwise this is where you are until the next decline.

Ya, that's a good point.

Trump has done great work preparing the economy for the cuts.

Do you really want to cut social programs when people aren't working like when he began his Presidency? Or do you want to cut them when record numbers of people are working?

[donnay]

Trump had control of the Presidency, House, and Senate for two years. Cut nothing.

Welfare?

[nikcers]

Trump had control of the Presidency, House, and Senate for two years. Cut nothing.

Republicans had the majority in the House and Senate before Trump was president too. Just because there is an R next to their name doesn't mean they are fiscal conservatives. They are definitely more likely to cut taxes than Democrats though.

[oyarde]

Ya, that's a good point.

Trump has done great work preparing the economy for the cuts.

Do you really want to cut social programs when people aren't working like when he began his Presidency? Or do you want to cut them when record numbers of people are working?

I think so . Now is the time to cut . People have the opportunity to earn what they need.

[Warlord]

Trump is a big spending asshole who is not being honest with the people. Not once did he mention the debt or deficit in his SOTU. This will come back to haunt him soon when the crash happens. it's going to be epic.

[Influenza]

Lol with titles like this swordsmyth/fox news are clearly not making any attempt to hide their blatant propaganda.

[Warlord]

1226936865548357634

Ron says exactly what i posted: They're lying again and the day of reckoning will come.

[dannno]

Trump is a big spending asshole who is not being honest with the people. Not once did he mention the debt or deficit in his SOTU. This will come back to haunt him soon when the crash happens. it's going to be epic.

Does it matter what he said at the SOTU if he ends up significantly cutting government spending over the next 5 years?

I don't understand why everybody wants Trump to be exactly like Ron Paul.

Some day I want our President to be exactly like Ron Paul, I wish having a President Ron Paul right now would be effective.. but I don't see how that would get anything done at the moment.

[timosman]

Trump is a big spending asshole who is not being honest with the people. Not once did he mention the debt or deficit in his SOTU. This will come back to haunt him soon when the crash happens. it's going to be epic.

I checked my balls this morning and they are completely blue. Nobody is getting arrested. Barr is talking about 5G, Nokia and Ericsson. WTF? :tears:

[Warlord]

I checked my balls this morning and they are completely blue. Nobody is getting arrested. Barr is talking about 5G, Nokia and Ericsson. WTF? :tears:

Just be prepared. I'm buying physical gold and lots of it every freeakin month. Its costing me a lot but its better than having the cash.

[Zippyjuan]

Does it matter what he said at the SOTU if he ends up significantly cutting government spending over the next 5 years?

I don't understand why everybody wants Trump to be exactly like Ron Paul.

Some day I want our President to be exactly like Ron Paul, I wish having a President Ron Paul right now would be effective.. but I don't see how that would get anything done at the moment.

That is a mighty big "if he cuts spending". He calls for even more spending next year than this year ($300 billion more- $4.8 trillion vs $4.5 trillion). If he was serious about cutting, why not start now? Just politics. This way he can take credit for doing something while doing the opposite. It is an election year after all.

[TheCount]

Are these the cuts that make numbers go down or cuts that make numbers go up?

[Zippyjuan]

One odd item is that he wants to remove FDA regulation of tobacco products. Maybe not that odd but he wants to create an entirely new agency just concerned with tobacco with their own staff and budget. Bigger government?

[Warlord]

One odd item is that he wants to remove FDA regulation of tobacco products. Maybe not that odd but he wants to create an entirely new agency just concerned with tobacco with their own staff and budget. Bigger government?

Space Force, paid parental leave, moon base.

More examples of him making gov't biggrer.

[Zippyjuan]

Are these the cuts that make numbers go down or cuts that make numbers go up?

Total spending would be seven percent higher than last year.

[Pauls' Revere]

and Chelsea...

[kpitcher]

Over the next 10 years. :tears:

not 10, it is 15 years. Talk about kicking the bucket down the line

[eleganz]

Its not a perfect cut but its something.

For all those who constantly complain about Trump's spending and yet you still complain even when there is a cut, well you are just being a caricature of yourself.

Trying to get some cuts in while the economy is strong is a good move. More people are working than ever, people going off food stamps at record levels, if there was ever a time to try to cut some spending, its now and they should be more aggressive. Look at how insane the leftists became when Trump cut some useless programs. Its like pulling teeth, everybody wants a piece.

I still expect a bigger spending cut in his second term. Apparently they're also working on a 10% tax cut 2.0 for the middle class to be released in September. I wish it were more but combined with the corporate tax cuts, its a good tax cut overall.

[Swordsmyth]

Its not a perfect cut but its something.

For all those who constantly complain about Trump's spending and yet you still complain even when there is a cut, well you are just being a caricature of yourself.

Trying to get some cuts in while the economy is strong is a good move. More people are working than ever, people going off food stamps at record levels, if there was ever a time to try to cut some spending, its now and they should be more aggressive. Look at how insane the leftists became when Trump cut some useless programs. Its like pulling teeth, everybody wants a piece.

I still expect a bigger spending cut in his second term. Apparently they're also working on a 10% tax cut 2.0 for the middle class to be released in September. I wish it were more but combined with the corporate tax cuts, its a good tax cut overall.
And he has to deal with a Demoncrat controlled House that most likely won't agree to even this proposal.

Dramatic cuts have to wait for us to take back the House.

[TheCount]

Its not a perfect cut but its something.

Please show me the something:
https://i.imgur.com/fukx1L9.jpg

[Zippyjuan]

Its not a perfect cut but its something.

For all those who constantly complain about Trump's spending and yet you still complain even when there is a cut, well you are just being a caricature of yourself.

Trying to get some cuts in while the economy is strong is a good move. More people are working than ever, people going off food stamps at record levels, if there was ever a time to try to cut some spending, its now and they should be more aggressive. Look at how insane the leftists became when Trump cut some useless programs. Its like pulling teeth, everybody wants a piece.

I still expect a bigger spending cut in his second term. Apparently they're also working on a 10% tax cut 2.0 for the middle class to be released in September. I wish it were more but combined with the corporate tax cuts, its a good tax cut overall.

Spending has risen every year he has been in office. And his budget suggestion has it increasing every year into the future- see The Count's chart above. (but Congress writes the budget, not the President and next year's budget has already been signed by Trump so this was a pointless exercise - other than as a potential election gimmick.)

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Lol with titles like this swordsmyth/fox news are clearly not making any attempt to hide their blatant propaganda.


Says the communist with his commie propaganda.

[Theocrat]

The White House (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/executive/white-house) on Sunday unveiled a $4.8 trillion budget proposal that would slash spending dramatically on foreign aid and social safety nets, while including $2 billion for a southern border wall and substantially boosting funding to NASA, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Department of Homeland Security. (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/executive/homeland-security)
Fox News has confirmed the details of the budget, which The Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-to-propose-4-8-trillion-budget-with-big-safety-net-cuts-11581274525) first reported (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-to-propose-4-8-trillion-budget-with-big-safety-net-cuts-11581274525). The package, set to be formally announced on Monday, as-is stood little chance of passage in the House of Representatives, which the Democrats have controlled. Still, it served as a signal of the president's priorities as Republicans have aimed to retake the chamber in the 2020 elections.
The plan aims to eliminate the federal deficit (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/28/federal-deficit-one-trillion-trump-107901) -- or the difference between spending and revenue that is slated to exceed $1 trillion (https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56020) this year -- by 2035. In all, the White House is seeking to cut $4.4 trillion in federal spending over the next 10 years, including reductions in spending on food stamps and federal disability benefits through more stringent work and eligibility requirements.

Total cuts to "non-defense discretionary programs,” which do not include Medicare or Social Security, amount to $2 trillion in savings under the plan. The budget additionally calls for renewing the Trump administration's tax cuts for individuals and families that would otherwise expire in 2025. Modifications in Medicare prescription-drug pricing would account for $130 billion in savings.

Foreign aid would be reduced by 21 percent, in keeping with the president's push to have other countries pay what he calls their "fair share" for their own defense (https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/trump-allies-must-start-paying-their-fair-share).


The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) would face a massive 26-percent reduction in funding. The Trump administration has rolled back (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-epa-rolls-back-obamas-coal-crackdown) Obama-era EPA regulations and oversight, saying they have hurt the economy for little benefit.
The proposal also would cut the Department of Housing and Urban Development's budget by 15 percent, while incorporating $2.8 billion for grants to help combat homelessness. And, The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would see a 9 percent cut, although its $4.3 billion allocation for fighting infectious disease would remain amid the coronavirus spread.

More at: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-budget-foreign-aid-defense-border-wall-veterans-homeland-security

[Bold emphasis mine]

That's a lie. If Trump truly wanted countries to "pay their fair share," then why didn't he honor Iraq's resolution to have U.S. troops leave their country, and go through with his sanction to have Iraq pay the U.S. back for the air base there?


https://youtu.be/Ob3kxpYCiMs

[Influenza]

Says the communist with his commie propaganda.
do you even know what a communist is u fuckin mouth breather

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

do you even know what a communist is u fuckin mouth breather

Instead of insults, let's debate. Or tell me about why you support Ron Paul.

[Todd]

Wow how did I miss this gem piece of confirmation bias....
It's even got the obligatory FOX news source. :up:


I mean is this AFTER he suggest a budge of 4.7 Trillion last year (https://www.stripes.com/news/us/trump-proposes-4-7-trillion-budget-with-domestic-cuts-8-6-billion-in-wall-funding-1.572164)?


Is he putting his 4.7 Trillion in and now taking his 4.4 trillion out?


Is Trump playing some mucked up version of the Hokie Pokie?


Inquiring minds want to know...

[Theocrat]

Wow how did I miss this gem piece of confirmation bias....
It's even got the obligatory FOX news source. :up:


I mean is this AFTER he suggest a budge of 4.7 Trillion last year (https://www.stripes.com/news/us/trump-proposes-4-7-trillion-budget-with-domestic-cuts-8-6-billion-in-wall-funding-1.572164)?


Is he putting his 4.7 Trillion in and now taking his 4.4 trillion out?


Is Trump playing some mucked up version of the Hokie Pokie?


Inquiring minds want to know...

You see, Trump is playing (4x-3y)^2=5z Chess. He's really going to stick it to those swamp people by cutting expenditures over a decade, you know, after he's out of office and the Republican Party is still in control because Trump supporters will have elected fiscally-responsible members in both chambers of Congress, and then we'll also have low illegal immigration because his wall will not only stave off illegal immigrants, but it will be paid in full because Congress will be responsible enough to balance a budget, and the Democrats will realize that Trump's spending cuts really helped the economy, in the long run.

[Influenza]

Instead of insults, let's debate. Or tell me about why you support Ron Paul.
debate what? I just pointed out the obvious lie in the title

[Todd]

You see, Trump is playing (4x-3y)^2=5z Chess. He's really going to stick it to those swamp people by cutting expenditures over a decade, you know, after he's out of office and the Republican Party is still in control because Trump supporters will have elected fiscally-responsible members in both chambers of Congress, and then we'll also have low illegal immigration because his wall will not only stave off illegal immigrants, but it will be paid in full because Congress will be responsible enough to balance a budget, and the Democrats will realize that Trump's spending cuts really helped the economy, in the long run.

Don't forget how he's changing the landscape of the Federal court systems and how those constitutionalists he's appointing are going to vote down every piece of liberal law and return us to the glory years of liberty.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

debate what? I just pointed out the obvious lie in the title

Tell me about why you support Ron Paul.

[Influenza]

Tell me about why you support Ron Paul.
What's in it for me?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

What's in it for me?

You post here, so you tell me.