Bush's Grab for Power [Archive] - Ron Paul Forums / Liberty Forest

MGS

07-03-2007, 04:07 PM

I thought worldnetdaily was against us?

Im not sure whether they are or not but i will throw this out there.

While it may be in a certain groups best interests for Ron Paul not to be elected (I.E. Fox News). There can still be people within that group who are honest and good people . (Like that Judge on Fox News who called RP todays Thomas Jefferson).

quickmike

07-03-2007, 04:17 PM

You all have to watch this. Unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jatpX6kuxHQ

If bush actually enforced something like that, he wouldnt make it 2 months, trust me.

WannaBfree

07-03-2007, 04:29 PM

Here is a link to the The White House's own website on NSPD-51.
IT'S REAL FOLKS.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

Notice what it says in the last 2 paragraphs (23 & 24). That there is more to this than what's listed, because it's too "classified"!

This supersedes the National Security Act which included Congressional participation.

MGS

07-03-2007, 04:34 PM

Liberty

07-03-2007, 04:51 PM

Any idea what legal entity is drafting these executive orders?

PatriotOne

07-03-2007, 04:54 PM

Yep its very real. Signed on May 9th, 2007. The only question is if he will "use" it or not.

That's the plan. If the U.S. is attacked (say another 9/11 or something similar) or if there is some sort of epidemic that happens, it will of been caused by the U.S. Black Ops groups so Bush can implement this.

If and when this happens, turn off the MSM and hit the net to find out what REALLY happened.

Sorry folks, I know some of you don't like to hear this but 9/11 was a false flag operation and the chances are good they may have another one so Bush can become a puppet dictator unless the elections are on track to install another chosen puppet dictator.

One of my greatest worries is that if Ron Paul is on track to win this thing...."they" will play this dictator card.

buffalokid777

07-03-2007, 05:02 PM

If bush actually enforced something like that, he wouldnt make it 2 months, trust me.

You are so wrong.....

This is the way Hitler rose to power....

By changing laws here and there and by controll of the media...

It was done slowly enough where it worked....

Once the reichstag fire hit, he was able to take controll.

Bush has time and time again been just taking plays from the Nazi playbook...

I think we can see the media is undependable too investigate anything too far....

Look at the media collusion against Ron Paul....

You think what happened in Nazi Germany couldn't happen here?

The American people are so apathetic and unwilling to dig up the truth for themselves...

I am very afraid it could happen again here.....That's what happens when Corporatism rears it's ugly head and we can see corporatism has gone into overdrive since Bush took office....

That's why I love Ron Paul so much....he understands the dangers of corprotism to our freedom.

PatriotOne

07-03-2007, 05:03 PM

Exercise your second amendment rights (while you still can). Stockpile effective arms and ammunition, then wait peacefully and see what happens.

Hopefully, this is overblown, but at least you'll be ready to do your part to confront tyranny if it should arrive on our shores.

Not to be an alarmist but it is alarming and I have to agree.

And for all of you not aware of it, they have been and still are building concentration camps right here in America.

Google "Rex 84" for the ones that were built or military bases that were converted into "detention camps" and google KBR (Haliburton) who have been recieving 375 million a year to build concentration camps all over the U.S. (and still are) for the past 5 years or so with options for the next several years of additional funding. Don't be fooled by their immigration excuse.

buffalokid777

07-03-2007, 05:04 PM

Any idea what legal entity is drafting these executive orders?

Probably Cheney and Rove....

they've been the ones advocating expanding presidential powers since Bush was elected....

It's like they've been stretching the envolope left and right to see how just far they can go and get away with it.

WannaBfree

07-03-2007, 05:38 PM

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/decider_dees.jpg

TheConstitutionLives

07-03-2007, 05:41 PM

Keep in mind that the incoming President will inherit these powers. They don't go away when Bush does.

WannaBfree

07-03-2007, 05:51 PM

Probably Cheney and Rove....

they've been the ones advocating expanding presidential powers since Bush was elected....

It's like they've been stretching the envolope left and right to see how just far they can go and get away with it.

...with the help of the press of course. Can you believe that this was not covered by the media?! (except on page 12 of the Washington Post which presented it favorably!).

Look at what David Rockefeller said:

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine,' Rockefeller told them, 'and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination [read as 'democracy'] practiced in past centuries."

-David Rockefeller, June of 1991, addressing The Trilateral Commission .

more quotes here about media:
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/globalism/rockefeller.htm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/twogunkitten/tvaddicts.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

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aravoth

07-03-2007, 05:56 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c

Something I made a while back, kinda connecting the dots.

PatriotOne

07-03-2007, 06:09 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c

Something I made a while back, kinda connecting the dots.

Excellent Avaroth. Nice way to bring it all together. You may want to research this and make a change to it though. From what I can see from the Marketwatch article, KBR have had similar detention camp contracts since 2000:

KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B62C8724D-AE8A-4B5C-94C7-70171315C0A0%7D&dateid=38741.5136277662-858254656

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HAL34.86, -0.09, -0.3%) , said Tuesday it has been awarded a contingency contract from the Department of Homeland Security to supports its Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities in the event of an emergency. The maximum total value of the contract is $385 million and consists of a 1-year base period with four 1-year options. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs, KBR said. The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster, the company said.

PatriotOne

07-03-2007, 06:11 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c

Something I made a while back, kinda connecting the dots.

Everyone should watch this video. None of this is accidental. We are headed toward as police state and the paperworks already been done for it. They are just waiting for an excuse (real or manufactured) to use it.

Roxi

07-03-2007, 06:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c

Something I made a while back, kinda connecting the dots.

I was just about to post this link

the what we choose to ignore video was byfar the scariest thing ive seen ever...i got goosebumps just watching it...i saw it a couple months ago when my boyfriend said to me "if you could watch a video with information on it that would scare the shit out of you would you want to see it? I said yes and watched it...

At first I was skeptical...I've always been called a conspiracy nut by friends and family but im careful about what i believe too. so i wrote down everything you showed in the video and started researching the executive orders mostly at this website
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=24456
and in fact everything on the video is Very REAL and public knowledge

since then i have talked to every person I know about this, some say im crazy, some are just in disbelief.....a few believe me
PEOPLE we have to let others know about this...it started with kennedy and reagan and bush is just making it worse and more controlling
this isnt something alex jones is just spouting off about this is real stuff signed into law by our own president...

ps an incoming president (like RP) could nullify these executive orders

tsoldrin

07-03-2007, 06:17 PM

One thing about Bush and his grabbing power... he's not doing it alone. They are LETTING him get away with it. Personally, I think the Dems are encouraging it to some extent because they want to wield that same power once they're in charge.

LibertyEagle

07-03-2007, 06:24 PM

I tried calling one of my Senators' offices about this. All I got was... I'm sure it's ok, blah, blah, blah and if we were attacked again, the President needs to have the authority to deal with it. I asked about the Constitution and Congress' role in declaring something like martial law. I was told that anything untoward happened, then Congress could pass something to stop it. I asked why we would allow such a clearly unconstitutional presidential directive to even be on the books. silence...........................

I thought I had entered the Twilight Zone.

LibertyEagle

07-03-2007, 06:24 PM

Original_Intent

07-03-2007, 06:31 PM

I thought worldnetdaily was against us?

WorldNetDaily is by and large pretty good to us. Even though the editor in cheif is against RPon the war, he concedes that he is the most Constitutional person in Washington. He has also had several editorials in WND favorable of Ron Paul.

Jerome Corsi not only writes for WND, he is also an announced CP candidate for Prez.

buffalokid777

07-03-2007, 06:36 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c

Something I made a while back, kinda connecting the dots.

The first I heard about concentration camps in America was this story

http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/camp.htm

I was skeptical at first....Later I would see a video of that facility located here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

Scary stuff.....

But if you know history....you know how the Nazi influence came to America...

A CIA operation called

"Operation Paperclip"

I am not going to go into Operation Paperclip here, It can easily be researched by Googling it....

Operation Paperclip is NOT A CONSPIRICY THEORY......

IT IS HISTORICAL FACT....ADMITTED BY THE CIA IN DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS.

Further add in the Ties of the Bush Family to Nazis beginning with Prescott Bush....

If you think it couldn't happen here....Think Again....

I ENCOURAGE EVERY AMERICAN TO RESEARCH THIS....

IT'S YOUR DUTY AS A CITIZEN.

MANY NAZIS WHO CAME HERE THROUGH OPERATION PAPERCLIP SAID THE FOURTH REICH WOULD BE BUILT ON THE ASHES OF THE UNITED STATES.....

More on The Bush Nazi Connection on this thread

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=5355

PLEASE DON'T BE SKEPTICAL....RESEARCH IT FOR YOURSELF!

THOSE WHO FORGET HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT!

http://bilder.vgb.no/8970/img_446cec7d16910.jpg

WannaBfree

07-03-2007, 07:06 PM

http://www.quakerbooks.org/xfqbk/bb/img/bookcovers/big/0-226-51192-8.jpg

richard1984

07-03-2007, 07:20 PM

I know one thing. If they try to pull anything like this the shit will hit the fan. I don't really see Americans lying down and taking this passively or apathetically. The whole point of this sort of thing is to create the boiling frog effect. If the U.S. suddenly initiated martial law on the scale that we're talking about, I don't really see how they would be successful, or why it would be worth it (for them). My point is, such a system of government only works if the people are obedient--brainwashed so that they aren't really aware of the level of control over them. And this isn't something that is achieved overnight.

I know that in my case, they'd have to kill me before I'd go along.

I just don't really see how it would work.

(I have no problem seeing the nightmare of them attempting to initiate such control, though.)

Roxi

07-03-2007, 07:24 PM

if bush were to organize a bombing big enough to cause mass destruction or lives lost aka "threat to national emergency" then blame it on al-queida or someone else
he could declare martial law and congress could have no say so...according to the executive orders he signed...at this point there would be no elections....they would have full control of food and energy supplies, and control highways and airspace and all travel, plus have tanks up and down our streets...theres not anything we could do about it

i agree they would have to kill me first, but i dont see this as a "conspiracy theory" and those who do need a wake up call

buffalokid777

07-03-2007, 07:26 PM

http://www.quakerbooks.org/xfqbk/bb/img/bookcovers/big/0-226-51192-8.jpg

READ THIS BOOK!

IT WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE PARALLELS TO WHAT IS GOING ON.

I don't want to scare you....

BUT THE BIGGEST THREAT TO OUR FREEDOM IS CORRUPT POLITICIANS WHO HAVE SOLD THEIR SOULS TO CORPORATIST SPECIAL INTERESTS.

And If you mistakenly think Nazi Style Concentration Camps couldn't happen here because they could not find enough Americans to committ Atrocities like that against other Americans....

JUST THINK WHY HERR BUSH IS SO READY TO RAM AMNESTY DOWN OUR THROATS.

The Germans actually tried to get Mexico to attack the United States....

A HUGE INFLUX OF FOREIGNERS ARE THE PERFECT SOLDIERS TO MAN CONCENTRATION STYLE CAMPS UNDER MARTIAL LAW! ESPECIALLY ONES WHO DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH OR HAVE BEEN ASSIMILATED INTO AMERICA.

Furthermore consider La Raza...The stories of the Recounquering of AZTLAN taught to Mexican Children. ILLEGALS THAT ARE GANG MEMBERS AND DRUG RUNNERS....I have no problem with Foreigners working Here....I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO RUN DRUGS AND ARE IN GANGS.....JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THE BRUTALITY THESE TYPE OF MONSTORS COULD INFLICT UPON US IF LEGIMITIZED.

Think, The last SHAMNESTY bill....ALLOWED ILLEGAL ALIENS IN GANGS TO STAY HERE IF THEY RENOUNCED THEY'RE GANG MEMBERSHIP!

SAVEamerica

07-03-2007, 07:51 PM

What he doesn't mention is that Dubya has also given himself full control of all 3 branches of government in a 'national emergency'.

SAVEamerica

07-03-2007, 08:07 PM

(6) The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

Now do you really think they want to or will 'ensure constitutional government'?

When you look at this, and then look at these two laws:
http://towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17910.htm

It's obvious that Bush already has dictatorial power.

Electric Church

07-03-2007, 09:44 PM

You are so wrong.....

This is the way Hitler rose to power....

I think there's one major difference which is why the grand puppet masters who control Bush may be hesitant to initiate a catastrophic event enabling Bush to test dictatorial powers. The German people, at the time of Hitler’s rise to dictatorial power, actually liked the man and found him to be a charismatic and influential leader who definitely had great oratorical skills.

Bush on the other hand, with that spluttering phony Texas accent, has a 28% approval rating when I last check and those numbers may be inaccurate because it has been suggested that a large portion of the polling samples are deliberately taken from a very uninformed segment of the population, i.e. seniors directly plugged into Fox News.

If Bush declares these unconstitutional dictatorial powers after they scare the crap out of people with another staged “terrorist attack” most likely blamed on Iran, I don’t think the American people will be gathered outside the Capital with their right hands raised in the air yelling "Sieg...Heil! Sieg...Heil! Sieg...Heil!"

richard1984

07-03-2007, 09:47 PM

If Bush declares these unconstitutional dictatorial powers after they scare the crap out of people with another staged “terrorist attack” most likely blamed on Iran, I don’t think the American people will be gathered outside the Capital with their right hands raised in the air yelling "Sieg...Heil! Sieg...Heil! Sieg...Heil!"

Agreed.