President Bernie Sanders?

[Warlord]

The neocons gave us 8 years of Obama now Sanders is going to capture the imagination with a strong anti-war message. He is clever.

Watch:

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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1213289390857953280

[Anti Globalist]

Anybody that does a little research on Sanders knows that he truly isn't anti-war.

[oyarde]

president ? not yet . dem nominee? most likely .

[RonZeplin]

Because... less of a Big Stupid Gov Socialist War Mongering Libtard than Donnell.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kinja-img.com%2Fgawker-media%2Fimage%2Fupload%2Fc_fill%2Cf_auto%2Cfl_prog ressive%2Cg_center%2Ch_675%2Cpg_1%2Cq_80%2Cw_1200% 2Fri7azb5lulsoogbfzwo1.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

[Sammy]

If Bernie is successful on his Communist Agenda we can never repeal it.
LBJ created gave us the great society & we have still this socialist programs.

Bernie's Foreign Policy is simple. When a Republican is President he is anti war. When a Democrat is president he is pro war!
It's funny because Sean Hannity opposed the wars in Kosovo & Libya but he is never called "Anti war"

[Anti Federalist]

Because... less of a Big Stupid Gov Socialist War Mongering Libtard than Donnell.

LOL, yah, keep telling yourselves that.

I live next door to Comrade Bernie, been watching his career for years now...ya'll have no idea what manner of tax, regulatory and destruction of property rights shitstorm he will release as the new POTUS.

It'll make El Jefe' Naranja's drunken monkey peregrinations look like refined Palmerston statecraft.

[juleswin]

Because... less of a Big Stupid Gov Socialist War Mongering Libtard than Donnell.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kinja-img.com%2Fgawker-media%2Fimage%2Fupload%2Fc_fill%2Cf_auto%2Cfl_prog ressive%2Cg_center%2Ch_675%2Cpg_1%2Cq_80%2Cw_1200% 2Fri7azb5lulsoogbfzwo1.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

He will be the lesser of two evils if he wins the primaries plus if he can bring about Scandinavian style socialism or capitalism or whatever you wanna call it, which all these freedom websites say is more free market than our system, then its going to be a win for all of us. Socialized healthcare, govt pensions, free post secondary education ...............

At this point, I am willing to try something else if for no other reason than the lols.

[Warlord]

He sounds like Ron Paul in the video. How I miss the campaign(s).

[Anti Globalist]

Sounding like Ron Paul is completely different from actually being Ron Paul. Back when the Iraq War was going on, there were appropriation bills that were being voted on that would continue funding the war. Sanders voted for every single one of those bills.

[Warlord]

Sounding like Ron Paul is completely different from actually being Ron Paul. Back when the Iraq War was going on, there were appropriation bills that were being voted on that would continue funding the war. Sanders voted for every single one of those bills.

He's clever though. He's going to ride an anti-war ticket all the way to victory and possibly the White House. It's what Obama did.

[shakey1]

He's clever though. He's going to ride an anti-war ticket all the way to victory and possibly the White House. It's what Obama did.

True dat

[Swordsmyth]

He will not be the nominee and he will never be POTUS.

[eleganz]

He will be the lesser of two evils if he wins the primaries plus if he can bring about Scandinavian style socialism or capitalism or whatever you wanna call it, which all these freedom websites say is more free market than our system, then its going to be a win for all of us. Socialized healthcare, govt pensions, free post secondary education ...............

At this point, I am willing to try something else if for no other reason than the lols.

Great half endorsement of Breadline Bernie.


You that blind, you can't see that Bernie is a hardcore communist in disguise?

[Swordsmyth]

Great half endorsement of Breadline Bernie.


You that blind, you can't see that Bernie is a hardcore communist in disguise?
He's a commie, that's why he used to use Che as his avatar.

He and RonZ have been openly supporting Bernie the Soviet agent and somehow it is allowed here.

[juleswin]

Great half endorsement of Breadline Bernie.


You that blind, you can't see that Bernie is a hardcore communist in disguise?

Bernie is on record saying that he want to implement Scandinavia style economy in America. The same economic system is rated to have more economic freedom than the US. If you believe his rhetoric and I see no reason not believe the words of someone running for election, Bernie will bring about a more free market in the US than Trump. Hence the reason I wouldn't mind having him as my next president.

Also even if he turns out to be a neocon communists of the worst kind, I will still enjoy the lols from having the silly old man as POTUS

[juleswin]

He's a commie, that's why he used to use Che as his avatar.

He and RonZ have been openly supporting Bernie the Soviet agent and somehow it is allowed here.

Look again, I finally listened to you guys and changed my avatar.

[Swordsmyth]

Look again, I finally listened to you guys and changed my avatar.

Read what I said.

I said USED TO.

[eleganz]

Bernie is on record saying that he want to implement Scandinavia style economy in America. The same economic system is rated to have more economic freedom than the US. If you believe his rhetoric and I see no reason not believe the words of someone running for election, Bernie will bring about a more free market in the US than Trump. Hence the reason I wouldn't mind having him as my next president.

Also even if he turns out to be a neocon communists of the worst kind, I will still enjoy the lols from having the silly old man as POTUS

As mayor, Bernie Sanders called his city the People's Republic of Vermont and even named the hometown baseball team the Vermont Reds. Must be a coincidence....

I don't know if you are uninformed or just naive but you still made my sig, congratulations!

But coupled with your past comments on Venezuela, you actually sound just like Bernie Sanders. You repeat talking points found on r/socialism r/communism at reddit about how Venezuelan socialism actually works but it can't due to US sanctions, never once mentioning the fact they are starving is because there is no private property and the state nationalized agriculture.


After you read this, there is no excuse to continue blindly thinking Bernie just wants America to be like quiet little Finland that hurts nobody and takes care of everyone. He is a hardcore communist in disguise, period.

https://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/


While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

After graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.”



Lastly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2d3DMC6qyg

[Krugminator2]

He will be the lesser of two evils if he wins the primaries plus if he can bring about Scandinavian style socialism or capitalism or whatever you wanna call it, which all these freedom websites say is more free market than our system, then its going to be a win for all of us. Socialized healthcare, govt pensions, free post secondary education ...............

At this point, I am willing to try something else if for no other reason than the lols.

I know of no place that says those countries are more capitalistic. They do have lighter regulation, no min wage, more school choice, no inheritance tax, lower tariffs and had a lower corporate tax rate until last year than the US. Those don't seem to be part of Bernie's platform. Also we have government pensions. They are the root of all evil and long term problems.

He has expressed admiration and support for the Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and Sandinista regimes though. Given how the Prime Minister of Denmark denounced Bernie it seems more likely the old school Commie countries are closer to Bernie than capitalistic countries with a marginally larger welfare state.

[RJB]

Tucker had a good interview with Bernie Sanders.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDthKap-n-M

[Anti Federalist]

At this point, I am willing to try something else if for no other reason than the lols.

Great, so I can look forward to you possibly supporting a man who wishes to put me in jail for supplying the energy your very life depends on.

Thanks pal...good to know.

[Ender]

Great, so I can look forward to you possibly supporting a man who wishes to put me in jail for supplying the energy your very life depends on.

Thanks pal...good to know.

Well, right now we have a man who wants to put you in jail for criticizing Israel.

2 verse same as the 1st. And NO- I do not support Bernie.

[Swordsmyth]

Well, right now we have a man who wants to put you in jail for criticizing Israel.

2 verse same as the 1st. And NO- I do not support Bernie.
No, he said colleges don't get federal money if they promote anti-Israel politics.

He has never said people who criticize Israel should go to prison.

[eleganz]

I know of no place that says those countries are more capitalistic. They do have lighter regulation, no min wage, more school choice, no inheritance tax, lower tariffs and had a lower corporate tax rate until last year than the US. Those don't seem to be part of Bernie's platform. Also we have government pensions. They are the root of all evil and long term problems.

He has expressed admiration and support for the Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and Sandinista regimes though. Given how the Prime Minister of Denmark denounced Bernie it seems more likely the old school Commie countries are closer to Bernie than capitalistic countries with a marginally larger welfare state.

Democratic Socialists of America used to openly place "corporate democratization" as a policy on their website, that is until people started visiting and questioning. DSA is to Bernie what YAL was to Ron Paul.

But hey let's just all listen to Jules and support Bernie for the lulz. :facepalming:

[eleganz]

No, he said colleges don't get federal money if they promote anti-Israel politics.

He has never said people who criticize Israel should go to prison.

Can you provide a source for the actual language so there is no confusion on that here?

[Swordsmyth]

Can you provide a source for the actual language so there is no confusion on that here?

Trump to sign order to interpret Judaism as a nationality (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?541829-Trump-to-sign-order-to-interpret-Judaism-as-a-nationality)

[juleswin]

I know of no place that says those countries are more capitalistic. They do have lighter regulation, no min wage, more school choice, no inheritance tax, lower tariffs and had a lower corporate tax rate until last year than the US. Those don't seem to be part of Bernie's platform. Also we have government pensions. They are the root of all evil and long term problems.

He has expressed admiration and support for the Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and Sandinista regimes though. Given how the Prime Minister of Denmark denounced Bernie it seems more likely the old school Commie countries are closer to Bernie than capitalistic countries with a marginally larger welfare state.

I actually went back to look at the economic freedom index put together by Heritage foundation and wouldn't you believe it, Trump has improved our ranking to the point that only one of those welfare state scandinavian countries ranks higher than the US. So I guess Bernie wouldn't make us more free market.

Mea culpa guys I think I got this one wrong, but we can still vote for him for the lols :)

[juleswin]

Great, so I can look forward to you possibly supporting a man who wishes to put me in jail for supplying the energy your very life depends on.

Thanks pal...good to know.

What are you talking about? Bernie is a goofy old man who will trigger a lot of right wingers, wouldn't you want to see all these right wingers going mental on election evening? Policy will virtually be the same with Trump but without the laugh.

[Swordsmyth]

What are you talking about? Bernie is a goofy old man who will trigger a lot of right wingers, wouldn't you want to see all these right wingers going mental on election evening? Policy will virtually be the same with Trump but without the laugh.
Nobody is stupid enough to believe that.

You are failing.

[navy-vet]

Nobody is stupid enough to believe that.

You are failing.
haha good one

[Ender]

No, he said colleges don't get federal money if they promote anti-Israel politics.

He has never said people who criticize Israel should go to prison.

Don't worry- it'll be called a "hate crime" & people will be prosecuted & end up in jail.

[Swordsmyth]

Don't worry- it'll be called a "hate crime" & people will be prosecuted & end up in jail.
No, we don't have hate speech laws at the national level and Trump will not sign any.

The states that do have such laws are controlled by Israel hating leftists so they won't do it even if their laws are not overturned.

What you said is fake news and a weak attempt to create an equivalence between Sanders and Trump.

[RonZeplin]

He's a commie, that's why he used to use Che as his avatar.

He and RonZ have been openly supporting Bernie the Soviet agent and somehow it is allowed here.

You support Dancing Wahhabi Prince Donnell, Chairman Mao & Tricky Dicky.

See, I can make up kaka too !

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. Znhvp53pnw3DMi26nakL4QHaDw%26pid%3DApi&f=1

[Swordsmyth]

You support Dancing Wahhabi Prince Donnell, Chairman Mao & Tricky Dicky.

See, I can make up kaka too !

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. Znhvp53pnw3DMi26nakL4QHaDw%26pid%3DApi&f=1

I don't have to make anything up, you exposed yourself:


https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FD1ao0A3Ws AAh1To.jpg&f=1&nofb=1




http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by RonZeplin http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=6903669#post6903669)


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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to RonZeplin again.

Make America Sane Again.

Two commies exposed for the world to see.

[Valli6]

Why wasn't Bernie or any of the other Dem candidates around to vote against the NDAA last month, December 17, 2019? https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=116&session=1&vote=00400
None of them bothered to vote against it?

[Ender]

No, we don't have hate speech laws at the national level and Trump will not sign any.

The states that do have such laws are controlled by Israel hating leftists so they won't do it even if their laws are not overturned.

What you said is fake news and a weak attempt to create an equivalence between Sanders and Trump.

Don't worry- your calling RonZeplin a commie is the biggest piece of fake shit on the forum

[Swordsmyth]

Don't worry- your calling @RonZeplin (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=29656) a commie is the biggest piece of fake $#@! on the forum
Sure, he is pushing Bernie because he hates communism.:rolleyes:

[unknown]

Well, Dr. Paul who is a legitimate conservative when it comes to war, had a message that was well received at a time when people were sick and tired of Iraq and Afghanistan.

As others have said, Bernie isnt the same.

He supported and promoted the largest, most bloated, wasteful military industrial complex project in our history: the F35.

Does anyone know or can anyone tell me where he stood on Bushs and Obamas wars? Regarding votes etc.

[juleswin]

I don't have to make anything up, you exposed yourself:





Two commies exposed for the world to see.

Are you calling me a commie?

[Swordsmyth]

Are you calling me a commie?

As I have many times before.

Commie.

[Theocrat]

Bernie is on record saying that he want to implement Scandinavia style economy in America. The same economic system is rated to have more economic freedom than the US. If you believe his rhetoric and I see no reason not believe the words of someone running for election, Bernie will bring about a more free market in the US than Trump. Hence the reason I wouldn't mind having him as my next president.

Also even if he turns out to be a neocon communists of the worst kind, I will still enjoy the lols from having the silly old man as POTUS

Until Bernie Sanders starts addressing monetary policies that challenge the authority of the Federal Reserve over our currency, he will never bring about economic freedom, nor more of a free market than we have now. And I'm pretty sure that Sanders is pro-Fed.

That point aside, your point is moot, anyway. It's not the POTUS' role to implement any style of economy in America; that's the role of private individuals and groups, through voluntary associations in the marketplace.

You're advocating for an economy where we have masters who control the means of production and consumption, while everyone else lives at the behest of those means. That is slavery, and it has no place in a serious conversation about public policy.

[juleswin]

As I have many times before.

Commie.

I thought so, just wanted to see if it was as obvious as I thought it was. Well carry on, this is just regular tuesday on RPF.

[Swordsmyth]

I thought so, just wanted to see if it was as obvious as I thought it was. Well carry on, this is just regular tuesday on RPF.
Yes, your communism is obvious.

[juleswin]

Until Bernie Sanders starts addressing monetary policies that challenge the authority of the Federal Reserve over our currency, he will never bring about economic freedom, nor more of a free market than we have now. And I'm pretty sure that Sanders is pro-Fed.

That point aside, your point is moot, anyway. It's not the POTUS' role to implement any style of economy in America; that's the role of private individuals and groups, through voluntary associations in the marketplace.

You're advocating for an economy where we have masters who control the means of production and consumption, while everyone else lives at the behest of those means. That is slavery, and it has no place in a serious conversation about public policy.

Oh no, I don't really believe that a country where the govt owns the major oil company, govt runs the pension system, provides universal healthcare and post secondary education can have a higher economic index score than the US. The post was done in jest, making fun of election time rhetoric and the stupid list all at once.

[juleswin]

Yes, your communism is obvious.

I think its obvious to low intellect people, idiots, morons, shills and some other type of people who I am yet to recognize. Mods this is not an insult, please don't ban me :)

[Krugminator2]

Oh no, I don't really believe that a country where the govt owns the major oil company, govt runs the pension system, provides universal healthcare and post secondary education can have a higher economic index score than the US. The post was done in jest, making fun of election time rhetoric and the stupid list all at once.

Ummm.. What country that fits that description ranks ahead of the US? Norway is 26th.

Also no Scandavian country is ranked ahead of the US now contrary to your assertion.

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

[Anti Globalist]

Well, Dr. Paul who is a legitimate conservative when it comes to war, had a message that was well received at a time when people were sick and tired of Iraq and Afghanistan.

As others have said, Bernie isnt the same.

He supported and promoted the largest, most bloated, wasteful military industrial complex project in our history: the F35.

Does anyone know or can anyone tell me where he stood on Bushs and Obamas wars? Regarding votes etc.
There were appropriation bills that were being voted on during the Iraq War that would continue funding the war. Bernie voted for every single one of them. That alone tells you he's not as anti-war as he claims he is.

[juleswin]

Ummm.. What country that fits that description ranks ahead of the US? Norway is 26th.

Also no Scandavian country is ranked ahead of the US now contrary to your assertion.

https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

I think some years back, Norway was actually ranked higher than the US or something like that. Or maybe it was in that Venezuela thread that people told me that those welfare states were actually more free market than the US. I wish I had bookmarked it and on top f that not taken their words as gospel :(

[eleganz]

Its disappointing Bernie is even being discussed remotely seriously here on RPF.

For shame...

[pcosmar]

A democrat ending a war..

An interesting change,,

do people still believe the $hit politicians say..?

Reagan said good stuff
Clinton said Good stuff..
even Obama read some good stuff from the Prompter.
Trump is Full of $hit all day long,,and keeps talking.

They are Lying for Votes,,,

[Anti Federalist]

What are you talking about? Bernie is a goofy old man who will trigger a lot of right wingers, wouldn't you want to see all these right wingers going mental on election evening? Policy will virtually be the same with Trump but without the laugh.

I'm in the oil business.

At risk to life and limb, I am away from home for months at a time in order to support oil drilling operations around the world.

This oil is what plows the fields, fertilizes the soil and transports the food the keeps you alive, supplies the heat the keeps you from freezing to death in the winter, that is a vital component of plastics and medicines that are an integral part of health care.

If it were to be totally shut off in a 24 hour period, roughly half the world's population would die within six months.

Comrade Bernie has gone so far as to say that not only are my bosses criminals, but that everybody involved are criminals as well. And yeah, don't ask me to dig up the source on that particular quote, he said it briefly at a small NH event that wasn't heavily covered by the government's media organs.

But I know what the fuck I heard.

Regardless, he has stated that he will sic the US Justice Dept on us, and prosecute us as "climate criminals". (https://eidclimate.org/bernie-sanders-wants-to-prosecute-oil-and-natural-gas-companies-but-doesnt-know-what-laws-they-violated/)

[Warlord]

I'm in the oil business.


Regardless, he has stated that he will sic the US Justice Dept on us, and prosecute us as "climate criminals". (https://eidclimate.org/bernie-sanders-wants-to-prosecute-oil-and-natural-gas-companies-but-doesnt-know-what-laws-they-violated/)

Greta said she wants to line you up against a wall, AF. These people are Bolsevicks.

[bv3]

Indeed, and Bolsheviks are​ reactionaries.

[Anti Federalist]

Greta said she wants to line you up against a wall, AF. These people are Bolsevicks.

Oh yes, I am well aware of that fact.

Bolsheviks and Jacobins that would have no problem at all igniting another "Reign of Terror" and killing off God knows how many people as "counter revolutionary undesirables".

At this point all they need is a modern day Robespierre.

[juleswin]

I'm in the oil business.

At risk to life and limb, I am away from home for months at a time in order to support oil drilling operations around the world.

This oil is what plows the fields, fertilizes the soil and transports the food the keeps you alive, supplies the heat the keeps you from freezing to death in the winter, that is a vital component of plastics and medicines that are an integral part of health care.

If it were to be totally shut off in a 24 hour period, roughly half the world's population would die within six months.

Comrade Bernie has gone so far as to say that not only are my bosses criminals, but that everybody involved are criminals as well. And yeah, don't ask me to dig up the source on that particular quote, he said it briefly at a small NH event that wasn't heavily covered by the government's media organs.

But I know what the $#@! I heard.

Regardless, he has stated that he will sic the US Justice Dept on us, and prosecute us as "climate criminals". (https://eidclimate.org/bernie-sanders-wants-to-prosecute-oil-and-natural-gas-companies-but-doesnt-know-what-laws-they-violated/)

New York already tried to sue Exxon and failed. I keep telling you that they just want more taxes from your industry, they are not trying to kill you just trying t secure fund for their plans for a more wonderful US.

Btw, I used to think Trump was better on climate but he is lowkey/sneakily supporting the climate mafia. Do you know that the US will not be officially out of the Paris Climate agreement until Nov 2020. Think of it this way, he was able to get the US out of the Iranian nuclear deal treaty on the spot but cannot get us out of the Paris climate deal in 3 years.


In June 2017, U.S. President Donald Trump announced his intention to withdraw the United States from the agreement. Under the agreement, the earliest effective date of withdrawal for the U.S. is November 2020, shortly before the end of President Trump's 2016 term.

And forget about the paris climate deal, if Trump was different on climate, he would have repealed the CO2 endangerment finding that is the linchpin of all these climate laws. He will not touch it and the climate shenanigan will continue to threaten you and your kins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmXGq2_Ee7g

[RJB]

This is one time it's actually appropriate, but thanks AF for your service. My wife is driving our heated car while I relax in the passenger seat listening to Iron Maiden on the way to church. I appreciate the good life that I am living because of fossil fuels.

To hell with the Bolsheviks.


I'm in the oil business.

At risk to life and limb, I am away from home for months at a time in order to support oil drilling operations around the world.

This oil is what plows the fields, fertilizes the soil and transports the food the keeps you alive, supplies the heat the keeps you from freezing to death in the winter, that is a vital component of plastics and medicines that are an integral part of health care.

If it were to be totally shut off in a 24 hour period, roughly half the world's population would die within six months.

Comrade Bernie has gone so far as to say that not only are my bosses criminals, but that everybody involved are criminals as well. And yeah, don't ask me to dig up the source on that particular quote, he said it briefly at a small NH event that wasn't heavily covered by the government's media organs.

But I know what the fuck I heard.

Regardless, he has stated that he will sic the US Justice Dept on us, and prosecute us as "climate criminals". (https://eidclimate.org/bernie-sanders-wants-to-prosecute-oil-and-natural-gas-companies-but-doesnt-know-what-laws-they-violated/)

[Anti Federalist]

This is one time it's actually appropriate, but thanks AF for your service. My wife is driving our heated car while I relax in the passenger seat listening to Iron Maiden on the way to church. I appreciate the good life that I am living because of fossil fuels.

To hell with the Bolsheviks.

Thanks!

Speaking of Iron Maiden:

https://i.imgur.com/zPT0G2q.png

[Anti Federalist]

blarg blarg blarg

On the threat matrix:

Using government prosecutors to jail me for doing my job > Political failures of the Drunken Monkey

[Krugminator2]

New York already tried to sue Exxon and failed. I keep telling you that they just want more taxes from your industry, they are not trying to kill you just trying t secure fund for their plans for a more wonderful US.



Bernie seems to want something more.

Bernie Sanders on socialism, taxes and why he thinks fossil fuel executives are ‘criminals’

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/28/bernie-sanders-lets-not-make-people-overly-nervous-about-socialism.html

Bernie Sanders signals his administration would pursue 'criminal' charges against oil executives https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-criminal-prosecution-oil-executives


Also wants to basically eliminate Wall Street.


"Sanders has been promoting a financial transactions tax since his run for the Democratic nomination in 2016. The plan he offered Wednesday would apply a 0.5% tax rate for stock trades, a 0.1% rate for bond trades, and 0.005% for derivatives transactions."

Sweden tried the same rate Sanders is proposing.


In January 1984, Sweden introduced a 0.5% tax on the purchase or sale of an equity security. On the day that the tax was announced, share prices fell by 2.2%. But there was leakage of information prior to the announcement, which might explain the 5.35% price decline in the 30 days prior to the announcement. When the tax was doubled, prices again fell by another 1%. These declines were in line with the capitalized value of future tax payments resulting from expected trades

The volume of futures trading fell by 98% and the options trading market disappeared. y 1990, more than 50% of all Swedish trading had moved to London.

As a result, revenues from these taxes were disappointing. For example, revenues from the tax on fixed-income securities were initially expected to amount to 1,500 million Swedish kronor per year. They did not amount to more than 80 million Swedish kronor in any year and the average was closer to 50 million



So the tax killed finance in Sweden. Ended with the country going into a steep depression and raised 3% of the revenues expected. Mission accomplished for a good socialist.

But yeah, keep saying he is just like Trump.

[juleswin]

On the threat matrix:

Using government prosecutors to jail me for doing my job > Political failures of the Drunken Monkey

Keep your head in the sand and go on believeing that the two sides are not working hand in hand. The perfect play of good cop, bad cop is at display and you go in and ignore it all you want. I will on the other hand will not relent when the pretend good cop is in the room.

So people who skipped the video I posted, the main policy driving climate change policy and the policy that will eventually bring about carbon taxes is still in place even with the Trump EPA. The carbondioxide endangerment finding enacted under Obama's admin declared that carbondioxide from fossil fuel use is the cause of global warming and the climate change that pose imminent dangers to the health and wellbeing of every American.

Back to the sands guys, nothing to see here :rolleyes:

[juleswin]

Bernie seems to want something more.

Bernie Sanders on socialism, taxes and why he thinks fossil fuel executives are ‘criminals’

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/28/bernie-sanders-lets-not-make-people-overly-nervous-about-socialism.html

Bernie Sanders signals his administration would pursue 'criminal' charges against oil executives https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-criminal-prosecution-oil-executives


Also wants to basically eliminate Wall Street.



Sweden tried the same rate Sanders is proposing.



So the tax killed finance in Sweden. Ended with the country going into a steep depression and raised 3% of the revenues expected. Mission accomplished for a good socialist.

But yeah, keep saying he is just like Trump.

Well, I commend him for trying to tax our way out of the spending instead of trying to borrow our way out of it. One method bring about immediate side effect, the ther postpones the most severe effects. Truth be told, I prefer the method that makes the demand from people living(Bernie's plan) than the one that demands it from future generation(Trump, Obama and co's plans). Hence the reason why I think he is the lesser of the multiple evils facing us.

Again, with the prosecution of oil producers, he will fail in his attempt to stop them. New York's attorney general has already tried and failed. Why assume that he will succeed where other have failed. He will just use the carbondioxide endangerment finding to tax the industry and all the people who consume oil. Some people might lose their jobs but nobody will go to jail.

Again, think the lesser of two evils.

[Madison320]

Bernie is on record saying that he want to implement Scandinavia style economy in America. The same economic system is rated to have more economic freedom than the US. If you believe his rhetoric and I see no reason not believe the words of someone running for election, Bernie will bring about a more free market in the US than Trump. Hence the reason I wouldn't mind having him as my next president.

Also even if he turns out to be a neocon communists of the worst kind, I will still enjoy the lols from having the silly old man as POTUS

The problem is that Bernie only wants the socialist parts of "scandinavian style socialism" and none of the free market ones. For example those countries tend to have a flatter tax system and low corporate tax rates.

[juleswin]

The problem is that Bernie only wants the socialist parts of "scandinavian style socialism" and none of the free market ones. For example those countries tend to have a flatter tax system and low corporate tax rates.

The part where I said "I see no reason not to believe the words of a man running for election" should have clued you in that i did not really believe the man or serious with the post. My post relates to the Venezuela thread where I was told by many reputable members f the forum that Norway with their socialized med, free post secondary education, pension system and majority stake ownership in their biggest oil company was not socialist and yet Venezuela who has just a fraction of that was more socialist.

Bernie Sanders will no doubt be a disaster but not because he will be able to enact communism but he will strengthen some of the socialists policies we already have now but don't envision any radical move towards communism with him.

[Krugminator2]

The problem is that Bernie only wants the socialist parts of "scandinavian style socialism" and none of the free market ones. For example those countries tend to have a flatter tax system and low corporate tax rates.

They do have flatter rates because they have found out all the money is in taxing the middle incomes. Bernie has said at various times he is going to lower taxes in the middle incomes. Though I think he has changed on that.

Denmark's top rate is 60%. It starts on any income earned over 60k. https://taxfoundation.org/how-scandinavian-countries-pay-their-government-spending/

This is the dirty secret the enemy press has never pointed out. Canada, the UK, Australia, Denmark all get their excess revenue from middle and upper middle income earners. All of the wealth on the Forbes 400 adds up to 3 trillion or so. Confiscating it all would pay for 7 months of government. Buffett's tax proposal on the rich pays for 3 days of government.

[Anti Federalist]

Keep your head in the sand and go on believeing that the two sides are not working hand in hand. The perfect play of good cop, bad cop is at display and you go in and ignore it all you want. I will on the other hand will not relent when the pretend good cop is in the room.

So people who skipped the video I posted, the main policy driving climate change policy and the policy that will eventually bring about carbon taxes is still in place even with the Trump EPA. The carbondioxide endangerment finding enacted under Obama's admin declared that carbondioxide from fossil fuel use is the cause of global warming and the climate change that pose imminent dangers to the health and wellbeing of every American.

Back to the sands guys, nothing to see here :rolleyes:

Sometimes a thing is just what it is.

In this case, Bernie, is an old timey, for real, "government will seize the means of production in the name of the proletariat", USSR style Communist.

His plans, if enacted, would utterly destroy the economic system of the United States.

He is supported by millions of people because:

A - They desire the same thing, for some perverse reason.

B - He promises them free shit.

That's the extent of any Machiavellian planning here.

[Swordsmyth]

New York already tried to sue Exxon and failed. I keep telling you that they just want more taxes from your industry, they are not trying to kill you just trying t secure fund for their plans for a more wonderful US.

Btw, I used to think Trump was better on climate but he is lowkey/sneakily supporting the climate mafia. Do you know that the US will not be officially out of the Paris Climate agreement until Nov 2020. Think of it this way, he was able to get the US out of the Iranian nuclear deal treaty on the spot but cannot get us out of the Paris climate deal in 3 years.



And forget about the paris climate deal, if Trump was different on climate, he would have repealed the CO2 endangerment finding that is the linchpin of all these climate laws. He will not touch it and the climate shenanigan will continue to threaten you and your kins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmXGq2_Ee7g
Your spin is weak.

Trump is reducing government "climate change" nonsense as best he can and the Demoncrats openly plan aggressive implementation of criminal penalties and "green" communism.

[Madison320]

They do have flatter rates because they have found out all the money is in taxing the middle incomes. Bernie has said at various times he is going to lower taxes in the middle incomes. Though I think he has changed on that.

Denmark's top rate is 60%. It starts on any income earned over 60k. https://taxfoundation.org/how-scandinavian-countries-pay-their-government-spending/

This is the dirty secret the enemy press has never pointed out. Canada, the UK, Australia, Denmark all get their excess revenue from middle and upper middle income earners. All of the wealth on the Forbes 400 adds up to 3 trillion or so. Confiscating it all would pay for 7 months of government. Buffett's tax proposal on the rich pays for 3 days of government.

What I can't figure out is how those guys get elected promising high taxes for everyone. Over here the trick to getting elected is to steal from the few to buy votes from the many.

[Philhelm]

president ? not yet . dem nominee? most likely .

I just can't see him being the nominee.

[Philhelm]

What I can't figure out is how those guys get elected promising high taxes for everyone. Over here the trick to getting elected is to steal from the few to buy votes from the many.

Easy. A lot of people either aren't net tax payers, or are wealthy enough to have "luxury beliefs" regarding the role of government providing services.

[Warlord]

This is on Drudge but it's behind a paywall:

Be Prepared for President Sanders

The Vermont socialist could soon become the front-runner for the Democratic nomination.

Bernie Sanders significantly outraised his Democratic presidential rivals in the final three months of 2019. He is very much in the hunt for the first three contests of the primary season. He has run second, behind Joe Biden, in national polls for most of the past year and matches up better head-to-head against President Trump than either Elizabeth Warren or Pete Buttigieg.


http://wsj.com/articles/be-prepared-for-president-sanders-11578441912

[Swordsmyth]

This is on Drudge but it's behind a paywall:

Be Prepared for President Sanders

The Vermont socialist could soon become the front-runner for the Democratic nomination.

Bernie Sanders significantly outraised his Democratic presidential rivals in the final three months of 2019. He is very much in the hunt for the first three contests of the primary season. He has run second, behind Joe Biden, in national polls for most of the past year and matches up better head-to-head against President Trump than either Elizabeth Warren or Pete Buttigieg.


http://wsj.com/articles/be-prepared-for-president-sanders-11578441912
Drudge sold out to Google, this is just leftist propaganda.

[Warlord]

Drudge sold out to Google, this is just leftist propaganda.

Don't underestimate Bernie Sanders. He has alot of appeal especially to young people. Trump only won by 70,000 votes in the swing states.

[Swordsmyth]

Don't underestimate Bernie Sanders. He has alot of appeal especially to young people. Trump only won by 70,000 votes in the swing states.

How'd that work out for Corbyn?

[Warlord]

How'd that work out for Corbyn?

Bernie is different though. He is raising A LOT of money and polling shows him competitive.

[Swordsmyth]

Bernie is different though. He is raising A LOT of money and polling shows him competitive.
He's very popular in certain circles but he doesn't sell beyond them.

[Warlord]

Bernie's pitch is powerful: The Iraq war was a mistake, i'll do everything i can to stop another war

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[Swordsmyth]

Bernie's pitch is powerful: The Iraq war was a mistake, i'll do everything i can to stop another war

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That won't help when Trump has a proven record of keeping us out of new wars.

[Anti Globalist]

Bernie is only anti-war when the Democrats are out of power.

[Warlord]

Sanders is going after Biden for his Iraq war vote. Just like Obama did against Hillary. I think this is going to be bad news for Biden especially in the debates.

WATCH:

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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1214652812451360769

Looks like oyarde's prediction of a Bernie victory may come true.

[devil21]

As long as things don't go completely off the rails I'm reasonably convinced it'll be Bernie for 4 years. Then Rand after in 2024. Bernie should have been Pres in 2016 (if elections were genuine and not manipulated to tptb's desired outcomes) but the need to install trojan horse Trump to pacify Republicans while stuff like USMCA/NAU worked through unopposed was most important.

[Swordsmyth]

As long as things don't go completely off the rails I'm reasonably convinced it'll be Bernie for 4 years. Then Rand after in 2024. Bernie should have been Pres in 2016 (if elections were genuine and not manipulated to tptb's desired outcomes) but the need to install trojan horse Trump to pacify Republicans while stuff like USMCA/NAU worked through unopposed was most important.
And another Bernie Bro exposes himself.

[devil21]

And another Bernie Bro exposes himself.

:rolleyes:

Bernie actually beat Hillary and would have beaten Trump. That's simple analysis. I'll leave the (poorly) attempted rah-rah-cheerleader-mind-control-games to you.

[Swordsmyth]

:rolleyes:

Bernie actually beat Hillary and would have beaten Trump. That's simple analysis. I'll leave the (poorly) attempted rah-rah-cheerleader-mind-control-games to you.

Trump would have beaten Bernie easier than Hitlery.

And no liberty lover would ever say that Bernie should be POTUS.

[devil21]

Trump would have beaten Bernie easier than Hitlery.

And no liberty lover would ever say that Bernie should be POTUS.

I guess it's true that it is impossible to make someone understand something when their salary depends on their not understanding it.

[Warlord]

Bernie, Biden and eWarren all beat Trump in head to head and in battleground states. The polling especially the last few days is not good for Trump and we have 8 months to go with the mess getting even worse..

[Swordsmyth]

I guess it's true that it is impossible to make someone understand something when their salary depends on their not understanding it.
Maybe you should find a different way to earn your living.

[Swordsmyth]

Bernie, Biden and eWarren all beat Trump in head to head and in battleground states. The polling especially the last few days is not good for Trump and we have 8 months to go with the mess getting even worse..
The polls mean nothing and things will only get better for Trump.

[devil21]

Maybe you should find a different way to earn your living.

Is it possible for you to not attempt to see everything with "partisan advocacy" glasses on or are you so thoroughly brainwashed that it is, in fact, impossible for you to interpret any statement without those glasses on? Even simple political analysis, without ascribing your own bias or attributing bias to the giver of the statement?

"Bernie should have won" can't be a simple political analysis, for you, but rather must be an advocacy statement? Damn that must suck to be that indoctrinated and brainwashed. It makes you nothing but a programmed robot incapable of critical, independent thought.

[Swordsmyth]

Is it possible for you to not attempt to see everything with "partisan advocacy" glasses on or are you so thoroughly brainwashed that it is, in fact, impossible for you to interpret any statement without those glasses on? Even simple political analysis, without ascribing your own bias or attributing bias to the giver of the statement?

"Bernie should have won" can't be a simple political analysis, for you, but rather must be an advocacy statement? Damn that must suck to be that indoctrinated and brainwashed. It makes you nothing but a programmed robot incapable of critical, independent thought.
Word choice can be telling, should and would don't mean the same thing.

[devil21]

Word choice can be telling, should and would don't mean the same thing.

Apparently you ignored the parenthetical portion of my original post in your rush to put your glasses on.

[Swordsmyth]

Apparently you ignored the parenthetical portion of my original post in your rush to put your glasses on.
Not at all.

Perhaps Bernie should have been the Demoncrat nominee, he certainly would have been, perhaps he would have beaten Trump and become POTUS (not likely) but there is no way he SHOULD have been POTUS.

[devil21]

Not at all.

Perhaps Bernie should have been the Demoncrat nominee, he certainly would have been, perhaps he would have beaten Trump and become POTUS (not likely) but there is no way he SHOULD have been POTUS.

You can have your opinion on the outcome but not everything is an advocacy statement. After coming to the conclusion that all of this "election" stuff is planned, scripted and rigged far in advance, you won't find a lot of advocacy statements in my posts. Of course, that's probably what you dislike most about me. I'm not susceptible to your partisan sheep herding games...

[dannno]

Trump would have beaten Bernie easier than Hitlery.

And no liberty lover would ever say that Bernie should be POTUS.

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https://twitter.com/randpaul/status/1209168416399142915?s=21

[Madison320]

Easy. A lot of people either aren't net tax payers, or are wealthy enough to have "luxury beliefs" regarding the role of government providing services.

Good point.

Also Scandinavian countries can't borrow and print so it's either raise taxes on everyone or get rid of the government service.

[Anti Federalist]

Bernie will bring about a more free market in the US than Trump. Hence the reason I wouldn't mind having him as my next president.

Also even if he turns out to be a neocon communists of the worst kind, I will still enjoy the lols from having the silly old man as POTUS

So, you want to see me bankrupted and possibly put in jail, for the crime of keeping your lights on and your home warm?

I just realized I'm repeating myself in this thread, but it needs to be said again.

[Anti Federalist]

Keep your head in the sand and go on believeing that the two sides are not working hand in hand. The perfect play of good cop, bad cop is at display and you go in and ignore it all you want. I will on the other hand will not relent when the pretend good cop is in the room.

I've got the regs in my hand.

In black and white.

Where there were restrictions there are none now.

Period.

[juleswin]

So, you want to see me bankrupted and possibly put in jail, for the crime of keeping your lights on and your home warm?

I just realized I'm repeating myself in this thread, but it needs to be said again.

Govt makes laws and if you violate said law, you could end up in jail. The same goes for people making flavoured vaping products. Vuse have been forced by the Trump's fatua to quit making flavoured e-cigs and they have stopped. Sorry m8 but if its not you, it's going to be someone else. Millions of people who are using vaping as a nicotine replacement therapy are going to die.

The point I am trying to make is that govt(all govt) is force, your life will just carry on like it was before with the millions of other govt fatuas that you have incorporated into your life.

[Swordsmyth]

Govt makes laws and if you violate said law, you could end up in jail. The same goes for people making flavoured vaping products. Vuse have been forced by the Trump's fatua to quit making flavoured e-cigs and they have stopped. Sorry m8 but if its not you, it's going to be someone else. Millions of people who are using vaping as a nicotine replacement therapy are going to die.

The point I am trying to make is that govt(all govt) is force, your life will just carry on like it was before with the millions of other govt fatuas that you have incorporated into your life.
1 Energy is required for life, vaping isn't
2 Bernie wants to outlaw far more things

[juleswin]

1 Energy is required for life, vaping isn't
2 Bernie wants to outlaw far more things

The point is that govts (all govts) make fatuas that we ALL have to abide by. This is not about AF and I am not going to all of a sudden get specially outraged just because this time the law has come for AF

[Swordsmyth]

The point is that govts (all govts) make fatuas that we ALL have to abide by. This is not about AF and I am not going to all of a sudden get specially outraged just because this time the law has come for AF
This is about energy and you should get outraged about that.

AF can take care of himself.

[Pauls' Revere]

:nauseated: No.

[Warlord]

Bernie Sanders Can Beat Trump. Here’s the Math.



Whatever you think about Bernie Sanders as a potential president, it is wrong to dismiss his chances of winning the office. Not only does most of the available empirical evidence show Mr. Sanders defeating President Trump in the national popular vote and in the critical Midwestern states that tipped the Electoral College in 2016, but his specific electoral strengths align with changes in the composition of the country’s population in ways that could actually make him a formidable foe for the president.

Almost all of the current polling data shows Mr. Sanders winning the national popular vote. In the most recent national polls testing Democratic candidates against Mr. Trump, Mr. Sanders beat him in every single one, with margins varying from 2 percent to 6 percent. This has been the case for nearly a year now, with Mr. Sanders outpolling the president in 67 of 72 head-to-head polls since March.

As 2016 proved when Hillary Clinton defeated Mr. Trump in the popular vote by nearly three million votes, however, the Electoral College is what matters most. There, Mr. Sanders also does well, outperforming Mr. Trump in polls of the pivotal battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. In the one poll showing significant Trump strength in Wisconsin (Quinnipiac), Mr. Sanders still fares the best of the Democratic contenders.

In addition to the polling data about how voters might act in the future, there is now the much more valuable information of actual voter behavior in the first three nominating contests, in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada. It is not just the fact that Mr. Sanders won the popular vote in all three states, it is how he won that portends hidden and underappreciated general election strength.

Exit polls and precinct analyses show that Mr. Sanders runs strongest with some of the most overlooked and undervalued sectors of the population — young people and Latinos in particular. In all three early states, he received twice as much support from voters under 30 than his closest competitor. In Nevada, he received about 70 percent of the vote in the most heavily Latino precincts.

These particular strengths matter because the composition of the electorate in 2020 will be appreciably different than it was in 2016. Pew Research projects that this will be the most racially diverse electorate ever, with people of color making up fully one-third of all eligible voters. The share of eligible voters from Generation Z (18-23 year olds) will be more than twice as large in 2020 as it was in 2016 (10 percent versus 4 percent).

The implications of these developments are most significant in the specific states where the election will be most fiercely fought. In Michigan and Wisconsin, which were decided in 2016 by roughly 11,000 and 22,700 votes respectively, close to a million young people have since turned 18. Beyond the Midwestern trio of states, the demographic revolution has even more transformative potential. Mr. Trump won Arizona, for example, by 91,000 votes, and 160,000 Latinos have turned 18 in that state since then.

To fully harness the energy from the demographic revolution, Mr. Sanders will need to strengthen his support among African-American voters who were more resistant to his candidacy when he faced Mrs. Clinton. His strong support among younger African-Americans could help, but he would be best served by choosing as his running mate an African-American with strong electoral appeal, such as Stacey Abrams, the former minority leader of the Georgia House of Representatives who received more African-American votes in a statewide election than anyone not named Barack Obama.

In addition to those particular parts of Mr. Sanders’s strength, he is also well-positioned to win back those voters who defected in 2016 because Mrs. Clinton was too moderate for their tastes. For all the focus on Obama-Trump voters, it was Obama-Stein voters who created the critical cracks in the Democratic firewall (the increase in votes for Jill Stein from 2012 to 2016 was greater than Mr. Trump’s margin of victory in Michigan and Wisconsin). Of all the remaining candidates, Mr. Sanders is the most likely to reclaim those Democratic voters who defected to the Green Party in search of a more progressive standard-bearer.

Much of the angst about Mr. Sanders topping the ticket stems from fear about negative fallout in down-ballot congressional races. Here, too, the concerns are overblown. In the vast majority of congressional districts where Democrats ousted Republican incumbents in 2018, it was enthusiasm and the high turnout of Democratic voters that made the difference, much more than alienated moderate Republicans switching their party allegiance. In all but five of the 41 seats picked up by Democrats, increased Democratic turnout alone would have been enough to flip the seats without any Republican crossovers.

While some small number of down-ballot House races could become more competitive, that risk is offset by the opportunity for Democrats to flip even more seats by mobilizing younger and more diverse voters. In 2018, Democrats fell just 1,000 votes short in both the Seventh District of Georgia, for example, where there is a sizable African-American population, and San Antonio’s 23rd District, which is more than half Latino. There are several other seats where Democrats could make additional gains with Mr. Sanders atop the ticket.


The empirical evidence shows that there is no need for alarm about Mr. Sanders being the Democratic nominee, and even some cause for confidence. If you want to engage in theoretical thought experiments, a useful exercise would be to ask how many people who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 would switch their votes to back Mr. Trump just because Mr. Sanders was the nominee? Common sense suggests that the answer is infinitesimally small.

If that is the case, then Mr. Sanders would win the popular vote. As for the roughly 78,000 votes in three states that flipped the Electoral College, the particular strengths that Mr. Sanders brings to the contest strongly suggest that he could close that gap and make the leap into the Oval Office.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/28/opinion/bernie-sanders-polls.html

[pcosmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCYbRmSlW-M

[pcosmar]

Trump ain't done nothing good for me.
I survived Obama and Bush and Clinton and Bushes Daddy..

ain't afraid of the next puppet either.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRNvezElbIg