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CCTelander
12-14-2019, 03:17 AM
Then and now: How lawmakers characterize impeachment as a ‘coup’ to protect their own

By
JM Rieger
Oct. 9, 2019 at 2:31 p.m. CDT

The day before the House of Representatives impeached President Bill Clinton in December 1998, it engaged in a nearly 13-hour debate that at times did not look all that dissimilar from the current impeachment debate.

Then, as now, House members opposed to impeachment characterized the proceedings as a “coup” meant to overturn the results of the previous presidential election, examples of which you can watch in the video above.

“Not all coups are accompanied by the sound of marching boots and rolling tanks,” Rep. Nita M. Lowey (D-N.Y.) said on the House floor on Dec. 18, 1998.

Rep. Eliot L. Engel (D-N.Y.) said, “I rise in strong opposition to this attempt at a bloodless coup d’etat, this attempt to overturn two national elections.”

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) said at the time: “You may have the votes, you may have the muscle, but you do not have the legitimacy of a national consensus or of a constitutional imperative. This partisan coup d’etat will go down in infamy in the history of this nation.”

At least 11 House Democrats at the time called the Clinton impeachment proceedings a “coup,” including Rep. John Conyers Jr. (Mich.), then the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee. In her 2003 memoir, “Living History,” Hillary Clinton called the impeachment of her husband an “attempted Congressional coup d’etat.”

Engel and Nadler are now leading the impeachment inquiry of President Trump along with House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.) and Republicans are now taking a page from the Democratic “coup” playbook.

At least six House Republicans have called the Trump impeachment inquiry a “coup” in the two weeks since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) formally launched the inquiry, according to a Fix analysis, including House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.). Trump himself has called the inquiry a “coup” and no fewer than 18 Fox News hosts and guests have referred to the inquiry as a “coup,” echoing White House and Republican National Committee talking points.

“Coup” comparisons also persisted in the years after President Richard M. Nixon’s resignation stemming from impeachment proceedings. Former vice president Spiro Agnew called the process a “coup d’etat” in 1980, as did Nixon speechwriter Patrick J. Buchanan in 1997.

The impeachment rhetoric reversals are revealing, if not surprising, given that impeachment is an inherently political process with few set procedures. Indeed, much of the rhetoric employed by Republicans and Democrats in 1998 about obstruction of justice and criminality can be flipped to match what lawmakers are saying about the same issues in 2019.

At an anti-impeachment rally two days before the House impeached Clinton in 1998, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) lit into Republicans.

“They hate Bill and Hillary Clinton so much, they will stop at nothing to bring him down,” Waters said at the time.

Nineteen years later, Waters was singing a different tune just two weeks after Trump was sworn in as president.

“I hope he’s not there for four years,” Waters said in February 2017. “… My greatest desire is to lead him right into impeachment.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/09/then-now-how-lawmakers-characterize-impeachment-coup-protect-their-own/


Some flagrant hypocrisy by Democrats on display, naturally. But both parties are guilty of that with great regularity.

And here's a clip from Pat Buchanan's essay from Jun, 1997 on the 25th anniversary of Watergate:


...Watergate was indeed a coup. It was the overthrow of an elected president by a media and political elite he had routed in a 49-state landslide the like of which America had never seen.

In taking Nixon down, that elite was not motivated by any love of law or the Constitution. It was driven by hatred.

...

https://watergate.info/1997/06/17/yes-watergate-was-a-coup-detat.html

Impeachment always seems to be labeled a "coup" by the supporters of the impeachee. Not really a big surprise.

Slave Mentality
12-14-2019, 05:53 AM
ďMy GuyĒ has to be a Good Guy because I am a Good Guy and know what a Good Guy is.

Since you donít like My Guy then you canít be a Good Guy because Good Guys would never like the Other Guy.

I am pretty sure thatís the gist with these Team Players. Then they blarge on about Defending the Constitution and oaths like good little trained seals.

I have discovered that most humans are incapable of truthful analysis and logic. That is why itís so effective for the government and media to pump this trash out 24/7. People just gobble it up because they are simply unable to create an independent thought and too damn stupid to realize it. Welcome to the suck.

Swordsmyth
12-14-2019, 03:18 PM
RON PAUL: 'Thank God For The Deep State' - CIA Celebrates Coup Against Trump (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?540816-Thank-God-For-The-Deep-State-CIA-Celebrates-Coup-Against-Trump)

CCTelander
12-14-2019, 06:36 PM
ďMy GuyĒ has to be a Good Guy because I am a Good Guy and know what a Good Guy is.

Since you donít like My Guy then you canít be a Good Guy because Good Guys would never like the Other Guy.

I am pretty sure thatís the gist with these Team Players. Then they blarge on about Defending the Constitution and oaths like good little trained seals.

I have discovered that most humans are incapable of truthful analysis and logic. That is why itís so effective for the government and media to pump this trash out 24/7. People just gobble it up because they are simply unable to create an independent thought and too damn stupid to realize it. Welcome to the suck.


If by the bolded above you mean that people are inherently incapable I'd have to strongly disagree. On the other hand, I would agree that a great many people have been rendered "incapable of truthful analysis and logic" by many multiple layers of indoctrination and conditioning that often require them to hold widely divergent beliefs simultaneously. That, however, is not an insurmountable obstacle.

Slave Mentality
12-16-2019, 10:27 AM
If by the bolded above you mean that people are inherently incapable I'd have to strongly disagree. On the other hand, I would agree that a great many people have been rendered "incapable of truthful analysis and logic" by many multiple layers of indoctrination and conditioning that often require them to hold widely divergent beliefs simultaneously. That, however, is not an insurmountable obstacle.

I have come to believe that all the indoctrination and conditioning works precisely because of the incapability for self-reflection and analysis. That's why some of it doesn't work on all of us. I truly like your positive outlook. Keep spreading the word.

CCTelander
12-18-2019, 10:51 PM
Bump for current relevance.

Swordsmyth
12-18-2019, 10:53 PM
RON PAUL: 'Thank God For The Deep State' - CIA Celebrates Coup Against Trump (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?540816-Thank-God-For-The-Deep-State-CIA-Celebrates-Coup-Against-Trump)



Ron called it “a bunch of malarkey”.


Impeachment Vote Today: Constitutional Duty Or Political Farce? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLIWsAN3k1o)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLIWsAN3k1o


Some highlights from this episode:

Ron 1:45 - “It’s a bunch of malarkey.”
Ron 4:50 - “Obstruction of Congress? I didn’t think that was such a bad idea, why doesn’t he obstruct about 90% of those laws they keep passing?”
Ron 5:20 - “Abuse of power? ... The system is abuse of power.”
Daniel 10:00 - Democrats are trying to divert from their own crimes.
Ron 12:00 - “Everything in Washington is quid pro quo. ... under a system where government controls everything.”
Ron 12:30 - What annoys him most are the hypocrites that are citing the Constitution.
Ron 21:40 - Send thank you notes to Nancy Pelosi if you are a Republican for helping in the upcoming election.

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enhanced_deficit
12-18-2019, 10:55 PM
RON PAUL: 'Thank God For The Deep State' - CIA Celebrates Coup Against Trump (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?540816-Thank-God-For-The-Deep-State-CIA-Celebrates-Coup-Against-Trump)





Deep State vs Deep Zionism?
(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?541368-Simultanous-Coup-Attempts-against-a-Globalist-Neoconservative-funded-Trump-amp-Netanyahu&)
Simultaneous Coup Attempts Against Two World Leaders In Different Countries Funded By Same Globalist Neoconservative Donor (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?541368-Simultanous-Coup-Attempts-against-a-Globalist-Neoconservative-funded-Trump-amp-Netanyahu&)

https://dailysoundandfury.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/02/lou-dobbs-doup-678x381.png