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TheCount
12-03-2019, 06:16 PM
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) (https://www.hhs.gov/) today launched Ready, Set, PrEP, a national program that makes medications for pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP), taken daily to prevent HIV, available at no cost to people without prescription drug insurance coverage.

lthough more than one million people at risk for HIV in the United States could benefit from PrEP medications, only a small fraction get them. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep.html) and the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force (https://www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org/Page/Document/UpdateSummaryFinal/prevention-of-human-immunodeficiency-virus-hiv-infection-pre-exposure-prophylaxis) https://www.hhs.gov/sites/all/themes/project_h/css/images/exit_disclaimer.png (https://www.hhs.gov/disclaimer.html) recommend PrEP for individuals at risk of acquiring HIV. When taken as prescribed, PrEP is highly effective at reducing an individual’s risk of acquiring HIV.

Ready, Set, PrEP is a key component of the Ending the HIV Epidemic: A Plan for America (EHE) (https://www.hiv.gov/federal-response/ending-the-hiv-epidemic/overview) initiative. EHE aims to reduce the number of new HIV infections in the United States by 75% in five years and by 90% in 10 years. By increasing awareness of PrEP and its access, the Ready, Set, PrEP program can provide thousands of people a safe, effective way to prevent HIV and bring our nation one step closer to ending the HIV epidemic.


“Ready, Set, PrEP is a historic expansion of access to HIV prevention medication and a major step forward in President Trump’s plan to end the HIV epidemic in America,” said HHS Secretary Alex Azar. “Thanks to Ready, Set, PrEP, thousands of Americans who are at risk for HIV will now be able to protect themselves and their communities. The Trump Administration recognizes the vital role of prevention in ending the HIV epidemic in America, and connecting members of vulnerable communities to prevention services and medication is an important part of the President’s initiative.”

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2019/12/03/ready-set-prep-expands-access-to-medication-to-prevent-hiv.html

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dannno
12-03-2019, 06:30 PM
What a monster.

RonZeplin
12-03-2019, 07:27 PM
The Trump GOP has moved into the lead in socialism, beating out Bernie Sanders & AOC.

Wealth Spread trumpkin style.

http://www.phawker.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Romneycare0oo.jpg

Obongo approves. :up:

Stratovarious
12-03-2019, 07:36 PM
''you can keep your doctor''

Anti Globalist
12-03-2019, 07:49 PM
''you can keep your doctor''
"period, end of story"

Stratovarious
12-03-2019, 07:58 PM
"period, end of story"
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Globalist again.


ha ha, note the post before mine, Socialism is good but when a non socialist applies anything like it ,
it's evil .....

:frog:

RonZeplin
12-03-2019, 09:56 PM
ha ha, note the post before mine, Socialism is good but when a non socialist applies anything like it ,
it's evil .....

:frog:
:warning: Socialism is BAD whether by the Republican or Democrat wing of the uniparty. :anti:

Unfortunately Mitt, Ted Kennedy, Donnell & Bernie etc are all on the socialist train. :down:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/esq.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/05/54cce8b674bd7_-_esq-romneycare-2012-croqtj-xlg.jpg

acptulsa
12-03-2019, 11:14 PM
lthough more than one million people at risk for HIV in the United States could benefit from PrEP medications, only a small fraction get them. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommend PrEP for individuals at risk of acquiring HIV. When taken as prescribed, PrEP is highly effective at reducing an individual’s risk of acquiring HIV.

I guess it's politically incorrect for HHS to say who's most "at risk"? But in any case, Trump's rewarding that particular behavior?

spudea
12-03-2019, 11:22 PM
The tone of this thread seems to be indicating deadly disease prevention is bad?

r3volution 3.0
12-03-2019, 11:32 PM
The tone of this thread seems to be indicating deadly disease prevention is bad?

The tone of the thread, here on a forum named after that old libertarian, what's his name, is that Uncle Sugar shouldn't be paying for it.

acptulsa
12-03-2019, 11:33 PM
The tone of this thread seems to be indicating deadly disease prevention is bad?

Is giving a God only knows how expensive preventative to a handful of people who could as easily avoid the disease in question by ending their risky behavior "deadly disease prevention"? Or is it "corporate welfare"?

r3volution 3.0
12-03-2019, 11:48 PM
people who could as easily avoid the disease in question by ending their risky behavior

I'll just add that there are a lot of myths about this disease. The original view was that it was mostly limited to homosexual men and IV drug users, and then that became politically unpopular, but that's actually true. Unless you're Magic Johnson, or a very unlucky person getting the wrong blood transfusion in the wrong place, you're extremely unlikely to contract this disease without said "risky behaviors." So, apart from the fact that the state shouldn't be paying for this (or any medicine at all, for that matter), it's quite easily preventable. I saw something the other day about this federal program; the stuff apparently costs $2000 per month.

acptulsa
12-03-2019, 11:51 PM
the stuff apparently costs $2000 per month.

Trump's motivation seems clear from here.

r3volution 3.0
12-04-2019, 12:04 AM
Trump's motivation seems clear from here.

https://i.imgflip.com/3icqkr.jpg

Stratovarious
12-04-2019, 02:50 AM
:warning: Socialism is BAD whether by the Republican or Democrat wing of the uniparty. :anti:

Unfortunately Mitt, Ted Kennedy, Donnell & Bernie etc are all on the socialist train. :down:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/esq.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/05/54cce8b674bd7_-_esq-romneycare-2012-croqtj-xlg.jpg

I guess my sarcasm wasn't clear, I as paraphrasing a post above mine.

spudea
12-04-2019, 07:03 AM
The tone of the thread, here on a forum named after that old libertarian, what's his name, is that Uncle Sugar shouldn't be paying for it.

This forum isn't for anarchists. There are legitimate roles, benefits, and uses for government as a Libertarian. Actually saving lives is a good thing.

RonZeplin
12-04-2019, 07:53 AM
This forum isn't for anarchists. There are legitimate roles, benefits, and uses for government as a Libertarian. Actually saving lives is a good thing.

Socialist nanny state big gov tyranny loving, libertarians. :flashinglight:

http://i.imgur.com/hXYYSmW.jpg:anti:

spudea
12-04-2019, 10:49 AM
the stuff apparently costs $2000 per month.

And after a person does get HIV, which there is no cure, the treatment cost is exponentially higher. What's the value of saving human life? If we could outlaw all abortion, but the trade-off is costs for pregnancy prevention or family support and adoption services, I think it's worth it.

TheCount
12-04-2019, 12:58 PM
And after a person does get HIV, which there is no cure, the treatment cost is exponentially higher. What's the value of saving human life? If we could outlaw all abortion, but the trade-off is costs for pregnancy prevention or family support and adoption services, I think it's worth it.

Doesn't the first part of your argument actually support abortion, given that the cost of prenatal care, birth, etc. is exponentially higher than the cost of abortion?



Anyway, I don't think that anyone would disagree with you that prevention is cheaper than "cure" / treatment. The issue is the role of government.

r3volution 3.0
12-04-2019, 09:15 PM
This forum isn't for anarchists. There are legitimate roles, benefits, and uses for government as a Libertarian. Actually saving lives is a good thing.

The state isn't your pop-pop, or at least it oughtn't be.


And after a person does get HIV, which there is no cure, the treatment cost is exponentially higher.

...which ought to be of no concern to the taxpayer.


What's the value of saving human life? If we could outlaw all abortion, but the trade-off is costs for pregnancy prevention or family support and adoption services, I think it's worth it.

Oh Bernbro....

Intoxiklown
12-04-2019, 11:00 PM
What's the value of saving human life? If we could outlaw all abortion, but the trade-off is costs for pregnancy prevention or family support and adoption services, I think it's worth it.

I've heard this argument before. It works great for supporting gun control, hate speech laws, and a whole myriad of things that should make anyone with a semblance of libertarianism in them violently puke.

spudea
12-05-2019, 01:43 PM
I've heard this argument before. It works great for supporting gun control, hate speech laws, and a whole myriad of things that should make anyone with a semblance of libertarianism in them violently puke.

Protecting the unborn has no relation to the things you mentioned.

Intoxiklown
12-05-2019, 02:19 PM
Protecting the unborn has no relation to the things you mentioned.


What's the value of saving human life? If we could outlaw all abortion, but the trade-off is costs for pregnancy prevention or family support and adoption services, I think it's worth it.

You presented a "tug at your heart strings argument" of preventing loss of life as justification to expand government control and more theft of my money, hence loss of my right to my gains. It's the exact same argument as the as the things I mentioned.

"If it just saves the lives of a few children per year, then banning "X" firearms is, I think, worth it"

"If it prevents just one person from experiencing alienation or bigotry or worse.....resorting to suicide, then banning "X" speech is, I think, worth it"

TheTexan
12-05-2019, 02:23 PM
This forum isn't for anarchists. There are legitimate roles, benefits, and uses for government as a Libertarian. Actually saving lives is a good thing.

+rep

Any good minarchist recognizes that government is needed for things such as roads, military, police, and free HIV prevention medication for everybody.

TheTexan
12-05-2019, 02:27 PM
You presented a "tug at your heart strings argument" of preventing loss of life as justification to expand government control and more theft of my money, hence loss of my right to my gains. It's the exact same argument as the as the things I mentioned.

"If it just saves the lives of a few children per year, then banning "X" firearms is, I think, worth it"

"If it prevents just one person from experiencing alienation or bigotry or worse.....resorting to suicide, then banning "X" speech is, I think, worth it"

Imagine how many lives could be saved if everyone were guaranteed food, shelter, & free healthcare.

Unless of course, you just want people to die.

enhanced_deficit
12-05-2019, 02:27 PM
Biased media won't give him credit for this but Trump with his recent global campaigns has proven to be the strongest POTUS in entire US history who has single handidly free'd GOP from the clutches of GOP's old-fashioned Biblical conservatives base.

Trump administration launches global effort to end AIDS (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?531729-Trump-administration-launches-global-effort-to-end-AIDS&)
Part of Trump's anti-HIV initiative, Federal gov't makes drug "free" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?541612-Part-of-Trump-s-anti-HIV-initiative-Federal-gov-t-makes-drug-quot-free-quot&)

Trump admin. launches global effort to end criminalization of homosexuality (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?531719-Trump-admin-launches-global-effort-to-end-criminalization-of-homosexuality&)



Sep 30, 2015

Michele Bachmann Believes God Could Destroy The Nation Over Gay Marriage

Bye, America!

By Curtis M. Wong

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/560abe5d1800005200831337.jpeg?cache=732ulmmi2o&ops=scalefit_720_noupscale
Michele Bachmann is still vehemently opposed to same-sex marriage (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/29/michele-bachmann-gay-marriage-boring_n_5900340.html).

The former Minnesota rep (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/29/michele-bachmann-retiring-2014_n_3350598.html), who once dismissed the fight for marriage equality as “boring (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/27/michele-bachmann-boring_n_5890646.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices),” blasted President Barack Obama’s “dangerous policies,” including those pertaining to the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community, in an “Understanding the Times with Janet Markell (http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/understanding-the-times/player/peace-and-safety-or-sudden-destruction-490880.html)” interview last weekend.

“When we raise our fist to holy God and say that we are going to redefine marriage, we are going to be okay with paying a Planned Parenthood to cut up innocent baby parts and sell them for research, that clearly is a problem,” Bachmann said, according to Right Wing Watch. “As we have seen God render judgment in the days of Noah, in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah and so forth throughout history, what the prophets have told every generation is that there is a just God and the people must repent and turn to him. So, too, in this day of wickedness in our own culture, we need to do the same.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michele-bachmann-gay-marriage_us_560abcc4e4b0af3706ddfb8e
(https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michele-bachmann-gay-marriage_us_560abcc4e4b0af3706ddfb8e)

https://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-aids-is-not-just-god-s-punishment-for-homosexuals-it-is-god-s-punishment-for-the-society-that-jerry-falwell-59968.jpghttps://normal2016.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/falwell.jpg?w=300&h=193

spudea
12-05-2019, 04:21 PM
This thread shows why Libertarians have less than 1% support.

Swordsmyth
12-05-2019, 04:41 PM
This thread shows why Libertarians have less than 1% support.
THIS thread?

LOL

enhanced_deficit
12-06-2019, 01:08 PM
This thread shows why Libertarians have less than 1% support.

^this.

And this > (Bernie Sanders leads in CA-NH and NV in new polls (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?541682-Bernie-Sanders-leads-in-CA-NH-and-NV-in-new-polls&)) thread shows why free stuff and liberal socialism is so popular.



Slippery slope though, next drugs for diabetes, cancer and other diseases could be made free too by government for the good of humanity?

devil21
12-06-2019, 01:41 PM
Government handing out free drugs to prevent something? Sounds a bit like vaccines in pill form. Yeah thanks I'll get right on that one asap. /s

TheTexan
12-06-2019, 01:47 PM
This thread shows why Libertarians have less than 1% support.

So many people in this thread just want people to die.

CCTelander
12-06-2019, 01:52 PM
So many people in this thread just want people to die.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko

acptulsa
12-06-2019, 01:52 PM
Slippery slope though, next drugs for diabetes, cancer and other diseases could be made free too by government for the good of humanity?

Don't count on it. If the bailouts and the flood insurance boondoggle are any indication, this government is only interested in rewarding risky behavior.

Those diseases you can actually get without being stupid first.

enhanced_deficit
12-07-2019, 09:42 PM
This thread shows why Libertarians have less than 1% support.

By the same token, this also shows why Sanders is getting even more popular than MAGA and offers even more stuff to wage wars against disease, poverty, hunger, want. Libertarians' opposition to socialism and free stuff makes them less popular.

Fox News 2020 President Poll: Sanders beating Trump by 9 points (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?535725-Fox-News-2020-President-Poll-Sanders-beating-Trump-by-9-points&)




Don't count on it...

Probably right.