How Dramatically Did Women's Suffrage Change the Size and Scope of Government?

[Swordsmyth]

This paper examines the growth of government during this century as a result of giving women the right to vote. Using cross-sectional time-series data for 1870 to 1940, we examine state government expenditures and revenue as well as voting by U.S. House and Senate state delegations and the passage of a wide range of different state laws. Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expenditures and revenue and more liberal voting patterns for federal representatives, and these effects continued growing over time as more women took advantage of the franchise. Contrary to many recent suggestions, the gender gap is not something that has arisen since the 1970s, and it helps explain why American government started growing when it did.

More at: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=160530

[Swordsmyth]

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~iversen/PDFfiles/LottKenny.pdf

[Swordsmyth]

More married women did not vote for Dole because of a widespread sense of societal insecurity: ‘‘It is not that they distrust their husband, but they have seen divorce all around them and know they could be next.’’ The Polling Company’s Kellyanne Fitzpatrick is categorical: ‘‘Women see government as their insur-ance.’’ [Richmond Times Dispatch, December 5, 1996]

[Schifference]

It certainly changed the size of their waistline.

[jon4liberty]

I hate using logic too. Everything should be emotions and how it makes me feel

[Anti Globalist]

Most women in general usually support big government.

[jkr]

prohibition to the drug war
trillions of "dollars" wasted
millions of lives ended needlessly
billions in property damage driving insurance costs
seizure
set ups
us versus them instead of THEM working FOR US


yeah, it had an effect

[Sammy]

We should repeal the 19th Amendment!

[Swordsmyth]

We should repeal the 19th Amendment!
+Rep

[TheCount]

But I thought that it was the furriners and the browns and the blacks and the catholics and the mooselimbs and the jews and the...

[jon4liberty]

But I thought that it was the furriners and the browns and the blacks and the catholics and the mooselimbs and the jews and the...
...and the trolls

[Grandmastersexsay]

The problem isn't that women inherently look for protection rather secure their own means of security, as men are more inclined to do on average. The problem is that they believe government is more capable than they are at providing security. This is a matter of education. Women, and men for that matter, aren't educated on the ineptitude of government, and how the government secures more power by making the public reliant upon it. The only way to change this is by upending the propaganda machine operating under the guise of public schools and higher education.

[Swordsmyth]

But I thought that it was the furriners and the browns and the blacks and the catholics and the mooselimbs and the jews and the...
There are many people who contributed.

[Swordsmyth]

The problem isn't that women inherently look for protection rather secure their own means of security, as men are more inclined to do on average. The problem is that they believe government is more capable than they are at providing security. This is a matter of education. Women, and men for that matter, aren't educated on the ineptitude of government, and how the government secures more power by making the public reliant upon it. The only way to change this is by upending the propaganda machine operating under the guise of public schools and higher education.
Women voted for big government before the propaganda machine existed, they helped create it.

[Zippyjuan]

Federal spending (as a percent of GDP) started to pick up after the Great Depression- 20 years after women got the vote. That had more of an impact than women voters. (yeah- I realize the point of the thread is to argue that only white males should vote and then we would have no more problems- Government of the few, by the few, and for the few).

http://i2.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/us-spending-1.png?resize=607%2C416

[TheCount]

There are many people who contributed.

Sounds like it.

That coalition represented a majority of Americans at very the moment that women's suffrage passed, and their numbers have only grown since. Right now they're 81% of the population... and that's just race and gender. Add religion to it and you're well over 85%.


Of course, all of that invalidates every other political thought that you've ever had, but whatever, really.

[Swordsmyth]

Federal spending (as a percent of GDP) started to pick up after the Great Depression- 20 years after women got the vote. That had more of an impact than women voters. (yeah- I realize the point of the thread is to argue that only white males should vote and then we would have no more problems- Government of the few, by the few, and for the few).

http://i2.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/us-spending-1.png?resize=607%2C416
Government spending isn't the only aspect of big government and women support it more than men and always have.

And race has nothing to do with this.

[Swordsmyth]

Sounds like it.

That coalition represented a majority of Americans at very the moment that women's suffrage passed, and their numbers have only grown since. Right now they're 81% of the population... and that's just race and gender. Add religion to it and you're well over 85%.


Of course, all of that invalidates every other political thought that you've ever had, but whatever, really.
What coalition?

I said many people contributed, I didn't agree to every thing you said.

The 19thA caused a sharp turn in favor of big government and so did each wave of excessive immigration.

[Zippyjuan]

Government spending isn't the only aspect of big government and women support it more than men and always have.

And race has nothing to do with this.

In this thread. But in others you have argued that those not born in the United States should also not be allowed to vote- often minorities. All them "commies". (and there is the "immigrants" in the previous post!)


and so did each wave of excessive immigration.

[Danke]

Prohibition anyone?

7249

[Swordsmyth]

In this thread. But in others you have argued that those not born in the United States should also not be allowed to vote- often minorities. All them "commies". (and there is the "immigrants" in the previous post!)

Which still has nothing to do with race.

I don't want blond haired blue eyed commies immigrating in excessive numbers or voting for communism in my country any more than any other commies.

[Zippyjuan]

Which still has nothing to do with race.

I don't want blond haired blue eyed commies immigrating in excessive numbers or voting for communism in my country any more than any other commies.

So it is only certain Conservative white males you want to be allowed to vote. Everyone else is a commie.

[Swordsmyth]

So it is only certain Conservative white males you want to be allowed to vote. Everyone else is a commie.
LOL

Only American males should be able to vote, liberty would be in much better shape if that was the rule.

[TheCount]

What coalition?

...


the furriners and the browns and the blacks and the catholics and the mooselimbs and the jews and the...

[Zippyjuan]

LOL

Only American males should be able to vote, liberty would be in much better shape if that was the rule.

Except the commie American males. Like liberals. Which would include most minorities so we are back to conservative white males only being allowed to vote.

[Swordsmyth]

...

I said many people contributed, I didn't agree to every thing you said.

[Swordsmyth]

Except the commie American males. Like liberals.
Nowhere have I said that the politics of Americans should keep them from voting.

But they would have very little success if they weren't allowed to import reinforcements or get the votes of women who are physically and psychologically not suited to government in their quest to destroy liberty.

[phill4paul]

Suffragettes marched in arm step with Prohibition.

From inception the right of woman voting rights went against individual liberty.

I'm not against equal rights.The Vikings, Danes, had an equal society.

Never in that society would women deprived men of alcohol.

[Swordsmyth]

Suffragettes marched in arm step with Prohibition.

From inception the right of woman voting rights went against individual liberty.

I'm not against equal rights.The Vikings, Danes, had an equal society.

Never in that society would women deprived men of alcohol.
Men ran those societies.

The occasional queen was surrounded with male councilors and vassals and all political power proceeded from the men in the armies.

The Bible tells us it is a curse when women rule and it is correct, in a Republic the voters rule, therefore women having the vote is a curse.

[Stratovarious]

I love the opening line;


''This paper examines the growth of government during this century as a result of giving women the right to vote. ''
While reaching for the click on this Topic, I was thinking yea this brought us liberalism and big gobs of gobt' , ha ha,
exactly.

[TheTexan]

Send them back ...

to the kitchen :cool:

[Anti Federalist]

How about this.

Anybody can vote....IF:

1 - You still reside in the state you were born in.

2 - You are a native born citizen.

3 - You received NO direct government (at any level) payment, subsidy, benefit, check, voucher, cash or emolument within the last year.

[phill4paul]

How about this.

Anybody can vote....IF:

1 - You still reside in the state you were born in.

2 - You are a native born citizen.

3 - You received NO direct government (at any level) payment, subsidy, benefit, check, voucher, cash or emolument within the last year.

That works for me. It doesn't work for government.

[Swordsmyth]

How about this.

Anybody can vote....IF:

1 - You still reside in the state you were born in.

2 - You are a native born citizen.

3 - You received NO direct government (at any level) payment, subsidy, benefit, check, voucher, cash or emolument within the last year.
I'd take that.

It might not be perfect but it would be an improvement.

[Stratovarious]

Must be able to read ?


Know the issues not just the candidates from photo ops ?

[phill4paul]

How about this.

Anybody can vote....IF:

1 - You still reside in the state you were born in.

2 - You are a native born citizen.

3 - You received NO direct government (at any level) payment, subsidy, benefit, check, voucher, cash or emolument within the last year.

I was born in Dover, Delaware at an Air Force Base. Less than two years after that, and every two years until my dad left the Air Force, I have been in a number of foreign countries and a number of American states.
I've no impetus to return to Delaware.

As a pre-teen I have called N.C.my home. Went to school here. Got my drivers license here.

Am I just a National Dreamer?

[Swordsmyth]

Must be able to read ?


Know the issues not just the candidates from photo ops ?
Yes to the first.
The second is a good idea but is too subjective to enforce well.

I'd say you should have to read a copy of the Constitution aloud to the registrar and then copy it by hand to register to vote.

[Swordsmyth]

I was born in Dover, Delaware at an Air Force Base. Less than two years after that, and every two years until my dad left the Air Force, I have been in a number of foreign countries and a number of American states.
I've no impetus to return to Delaware.

As a pre-teen I have called N.C.my home. Went to school here. Got my drivers license here.

Am I just a National Dreamer?
I also no longer reside in the state I was born in and have no plans to return.
But I would support that provision to prevent Kalifornication, I plan to move to a state based on its politics and I would trust the people of that state to keep it that way.

[Stratovarious]

...

I'd say you should have to read a copy of the Constitution aloud to the registrar and then copy it by hand to register to vote.
Agreed, and politicians should be capable of sighting the section of the constitution that allows them to create
legislation that is repugnant to it , ergo;

''all laws repugnant to the constitution are null and void'' Marbury Madison 1803

[Zippyjuan]

Must be able to read ?


Know the issues not just the candidates from photo ops ?

Should spelling count?


Agreed, and politicians should be capable of sighting the section of the constitution that allows them to create
legislation that is repugnant to it , ergo;

''all laws repugnant to the constitution are null and void'' Marbury Madison 1803

Did you mean "cite" the Constitution? "Sighting" is something you do with either your eyes or with say the telescope on your rifle.

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjbBr1_rSD8

[Swordsmyth]

Agreed, and politicians should be capable of sighting the section of the constitution that allows them to create
legislation that is repugnant to it , ergo;

''all laws repugnant to the constitution are null and void'' Marbury Madison 1803
Every law should be automatically sent to SCOTUS for Constitutional review and there should be a separate branch of government tasked with playing "devil's advocate" to try to prove them all unconstitutional.

[phill4paul]

I also no longer reside in the state I was born in and have no plans to return.
But I would support that provision to prevent Kalifornication, I plan to move to a state based on its politics and I would trust the people of that state to keep it that way.

So you think the "Free State" project should be illegitimate? You don't believe in individuals being able to relocate, create the government that least holds power?

Thin of what I am saying. Because this, though your view means Kalifornication, it also means no way of creating succession corridors.

[Zippyjuan]

So basically, most of the people in this thread said they should not be allowed to vote.

[Danke]

Should spelling count?



Did you mean "cite" the Constitution? "Sighting" is something you do with either your eyes or with say the telescope on your rifle.

Zippy wins the most accomplished achievement award tonight.

[Swordsmyth]

Should spelling count?



Did you mean "cite" the Constitution? "Sighting" is something you do with either your eyes or with say the telescope on your rifle.
I'd rather see Strat barred from voting than allow illiterates to vote.
But I'm sure he would be more careful when reading and copying the Constitution for the registrar than he is when posting on the internet.

[Stratovarious]

Should spelling count?



Did you mean "cite" the Constitution? "Sighting" is something you do with either your eyes or with say the telescope on your rifle.
Zippy , do you really want to open this can of Spell Check worms ?


I pause and skip your errors contained within 80% of your posts, out of kindness, don't do this to yourself son......


:frog:

[Swordsmyth]

So you think the "Free State" project should be illegitimate? You don't believe in individuals being able to relocate, create the government that least holds power?
It's a difficult question.

Perhaps we should imitate the Swiss and allow the people of the community you move to to vote on whether you should be allowed to vote there?

I know it's wrong to allow people fleeing Demoncrat hellholes to move to other states and turn them into hellholes.

I'm open to debate on this subject.

[Stratovarious]

Every law should be automatically sent to SCOTUS for Constitutional review and there should be a separate branch of government tasked with playing "devil's advocate" to try to prove them all unconstitutional.

Liberal Judges are not legally fit for office, so we have a problem there before we get started,
you and I've seen the rulings from liberal globalist, they reinvent the constitution, then rule.

But yea, if they were truly constitutionalist judges, perfect......

[Swordsmyth]

Liberal Judges are not legally fit for office, so we have a problem there before we get started,
you and I've seen the rulings from liberal globalist, they reinvent the constitution, then rule.

But yea, if they were truly constitutionalist judges, perfect......
Liberal judges are a separate problem that can only be solved by keeping liberals out of power.

But I find it strange that the Constitution doesn't require all laws to be subject to a test of Constitutionality, then judges went and declared that most people don't have standing to challenge unconstitutional laws and that even those who do must wait to be harmed before they can, they they made special classes exempt like environmentalists.

[phill4paul]

It's a difficult question.

Perhaps we should imitate the Swiss and allow the people of the community you move to to vote on whether you should be allowed to vote there?

I know it's wrong to allow people fleeing Demoncrat hellholes to move to other states and turn them into hellholes.

I'm open to debate on this subject.

Well, perhaps that is the way, indeed, to do it.

I'd be fine with that.

Except that I payed the same State taxes as every other individual since I've been lawfully employed at 16.

If I've got skin in the game I demand a say. Don't like it. Don't steal my ducats.

[Stratovarious]

Liberal judges are a separate problem that can only be solved by keeping liberals out of power.

But I find it strange that the Constitution doesn't require all laws to be subject to a test of Constitutionality, then judges went and declared that most people don't have standing to challenge unconstitutional laws and that even those who do must wait to be harmed before they can, they they made special classes exempt like environmentalists.


FUBAR

These so called judges are not constitutionalist to be sure.

[Swordsmyth]

Well, perhaps that is the way, indeed, to do it.

I'd be fine with that.

Except that I payed the same State taxes as every other individual since I've been lawfully employed at 16.

If I've got skin in the game I demand a say. Don't like it. Don't steal my ducats.
It's all very complicated and I see your point of view and don't disagree.

Maybe we should only have the migration voting restriction for people from outside the country and just have all the other restrictions to keep socialists and communists from taking over a state/town etc.

[Swordsmyth]

So you think the "Free State" project should be illegitimate? You don't believe in individuals being able to relocate, create the government that least holds power?

Thin of what I am saying. Because this, though your view means Kalifornication, it also means no way of creating succession corridors.


It's a difficult question.

Perhaps we should imitate the Swiss and allow the people of the community you move to to vote on whether you should be allowed to vote there?

I know it's wrong to allow people fleeing Demoncrat hellholes to move to other states and turn them into hellholes.

I'm open to debate on this subject.


Well, perhaps that is the way, indeed, to do it.

I'd be fine with that.

Except that I payed the same State taxes as every other individual since I've been lawfully employed at 16.

If I've got skin in the game I demand a say. Don't like it. Don't steal my ducats.


It's all very complicated and I see your point of view and don't disagree.

Maybe we should only have the migration voting restriction for people from outside the country and just have all the other restrictions to keep socialists and communists from taking over a state/town etc. Anti Federalist, what do you think?

[PursuePeace]

How about this.

Anybody can vote....IF:

1 - You still reside in the state you were born in.

2 - You are a native born citizen.

3 - You received NO direct government (at any level) payment, subsidy, benefit, check, voucher, cash or emolument within the last year.

1. I wasn't born in a state. But I still reside in the general area.
2. Yes.
3. No $ from the government.

I guess I'm good.

[Grandmastersexsay]

Women voted for big government before the propaganda machine existed, they helped create it.

They have. My point still stands that they weren't educated about the ineptitude of government. Perhaps it is foolish of me to believe women could learn to believe in their own self reliance more than government, but as a husband and father of two daughters, it is hard to come to terms with feeling they should be denied the right to vote. This is all hypothetical of course, as more women vote now than men. All I can do is teach them they can take care of themselves better than the government can.

[Republicanguy]

Men ran those societies.

The occasional queen was surrounded with male councilors and vassals and all political power proceeded from the men in the armies.

The Bible tells us it is a curse when women rule and it is correct, in a Republic the voters rule, therefore women having the vote is a curse.

You are a bigot.

[Swordsmyth]

You are a bigot.
I'm a realist.

[Republicanguy]

No you aren't, you have demonstrated to be a fascist. That attitude only makes women weaker, in a free society men and women are different, but ultimately, just removing the right for a woman to be in a position or to vote is simply out dated rubbish.

[Anti Federalist]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?56303-Eliminate-women-s-suffrage

[Swordsmyth]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?56303-Eliminate-women-s-suffrage

The winds are changing.

[Swordsmyth]

No you aren't, you have demonstrated to be a fascist. That attitude only makes women weaker, in a free society men and women are different, but ultimately, just removing the right for a woman to be in a position or to vote is simply out dated rubbish.
Liberty is what matters for men or women and giving women the right to vote reduces liberty.
Everyone would be better off.

[KEEF]

How about this.

Anybody can vote....IF:

1 - You still reside in the state you were born in.

2 - You are a native born citizen.

3 - You received NO direct government (at any level) payment, subsidy, benefit, check, voucher, cash or emolument within the last year.
4 - You own property.

[Swordsmyth]

4 - You own property.
I think that eliminates too many people and it doesn't do so in a way that significantly preserves liberty.
Lots of people with property vote for big government to keep the competition down.

[KEEF]

I think that eliminates too many people and it doesn't do so in a way that significantly preserves liberty.
Lots of people with property vote for big government to keep the competition down.
So non property owners should be able to have a say on local issues that may raise milage on my property to fund some stupid local program that I will never use, and they probably take advantage of (i.e. public transportation)?

[Swordsmyth]

So non property owners should be able to have a say on local issues that may raise milage on my property to fund some stupid local program that I will never use, and they probably take advantage of (i.e. public transportation)?
They have to pay taxes and abide by laws that only property owners get to vote on?

[Grandmastersexsay]

I think that eliminates too many people and it doesn't do so in a way that significantly preserves liberty.
Lots of people with property vote for big government to keep the competition down.

As a pro male thread, restricting the right to vote for only people who were born in the state is decidedly anti male. Men are the ones who move away from their parents. Women are the ones who stay by their parents. Why should men be punished for their desire to explore and succeed?

[Swordsmyth]

As a pro male thread, restricting the right to vote for only people who were born in the state is decidedly anti male. Men are the ones who move away from their parents. Women are the ones who stay by their parents. Why should men be punished for their desire to explore and succeed?
I acknowledged the drawbacks of that idea and suggested either discarding it between states or allowing the community to vote to extend franchise to the person who moved in.

[Swordsmyth]

So non property owners should be able to have a say on local issues that may raise milage on my property to fund some stupid local program that I will never use, and they probably take advantage of (i.e. public transportation)?
I have a suggestion that might work as a compromise.
At the state and/or local level there should be one office/house that is elected only by property owners and one that is elected only by non-property owners and any laws must be approved by both.

[Swordsmyth]

How about this.

Anybody can vote....IF:

1 - You still reside in the state you were born in.

2 - You are a native born citizen.

3 - You received NO direct government (at any level) payment, subsidy, benefit, check, voucher, cash or emolument within the last year.

4 you are at least 25 or 30

[Anti Federalist]

Anti Federalist, what do you think?

A work in progress.

Maybe a ten year ban on voting based on on state residency.

[Swordsmyth]

A work in progress.

Maybe a ten year ban on voting based on on state residency.
Sounds good to me.

[nikcers]

I think it has more to do with open borders with birthright citizenship. If you let a bunch of people from other countries come here and change the scope of government to be more like the countries they came from you get a bigger government.

[Swordsmyth]

I think it has more to do with open borders with birthright citizenship. If you let a bunch of people from other countries come here and change the scope of government to be more like the countries they came from you get a bigger government.
That too.

[nikcers]

That too.

American cultural tribalism became taboo and "uncultural" therefore other cultures are taking over America

[Swordsmyth]

American cultural tribalism became taboo and "uncultural" therefore other cultures are taking over America
And women were instrumental in causing that.

[nikcers]

And women were instrumental in causing that.

Schooldaddy and pop culture encourages cultural tribalism while labeling American culture as uncultured and by encouraging cultural tribalism you are encouraging dissociation from american culture. I think its something Men and Women do but women are biologically tribal and therefore they tend to follow their herd.

[Swordsmyth]

Schooldaddy and pop culture encourages cultural tribalism while labeling American culture as uncultured and by encouraging cultural tribalism you are discouraging dissociation from american culture. I think its something Men and Women do but women are biologically tribal and therefore they tend to follow their herd.
Women have been instrumental in voting for the people like Teddy Kennedy who opened the immigration floodgates and those that put the anti-American propaganda in the schools.

Their cultural behavior would have been the same without the 19thA so I'm not discussing that.

[Swordsmyth]

From 2013:



In a finding sure to inflame the gender wars, research funded by the U.K. government suggests women around the world, and especially in Canada, are significantly more ignorant of current affairs and politics than men.
This gender gap is constant across countries as diverse as the U.S., Greece, Japan and Australia. It is as clear in Colombia, where most people scored very low on tests about current news events, as it is in Norway, where knowledge is generally high. It is as evident in the U.K. and U.S., where gender equality is well established in the culture, as it is in Japan and South Korea, where it is not.
That is, at least, according to the British report, which found consumption of news is “very much a masculine action, particularly in Canada, Norway, U.K. and U.S.”
The mystery of what causes this alleged knowledge gap is the “extraordinary question at the heart of this study,” said the lead author, James Curran, professor of communications at Goldsmiths, University of London, and director of the Goldsmiths Leverhulme Media Research Centre.

The study involved two analyses, each conducted in Australia, Canada, Colombia, Greece, Italy, Japan, Korea, Norway, the U.K. and the U.S.


The second analysis was a survey of multiple choice questions on such topics of current interest as Vladimir Putin and the Redshirts in Thailand, adjusted for the specifics of each country. One question, for example, asked what was the Copenhagen Summit: a conference on climate change, a meeting of EU heads of state, a free trade treaty, or an agreement to increase foreign aid to developing nations (it was a conference on climate change).
“Clearly, across all invested countries, women know less than men,” the report reads, provocatively.

More at: https://nationalpost.com/news/women-especially-in-canada-are-more-ignorant-of-politics-and-current-affairs-than-men-says-uk-research