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Swordsmyth
11-06-2019, 11:17 PM
A Republican from Wilmington is challenging Republican U.S. Rep. David Rouzer in the 2020 election.
Pete D’Abrosca announced his candidacy several weeks ago. He and Rouzer will face each other in the 7th District GOP primary in March. The 7th District runs from Wilmington to Wayne County and southern Johnston in eastern North Carolina. In the Fayetteville region it has Sampson County and the southeastern end of Bladen County.


D’Abrosca, 27, has two published books (his most-recent is “Enemies: The Press vs. The American People”) and he writes articles and commentary for conservative news websites. He also is the editor-in-chief of The Rundown, a recently launched news website.
In his campaign announcement, D’Abrosca bashes Rouzer as one of the “yes-men” of the Republican establishment that “has actively worked against President Trump at nearly every turn.”
Immigration is one of D’Abrosca’s top issues.
“My plan is to introduce flagship legislation in Washington D.C. to put a complete moratorium on immigration to the United States — legal and illegal — for a period of 10 years,” he said in his campaign announcement. This is to give the country time to “restore law and order, and implement a sane immigration policy.”

More at: https://www.fayobserver.com/news/20190901/inside-politics-gop-house-candidate-wants-to-stop-immigration-for-10-years

It should be longer but this is a start.

Schifference
11-07-2019, 04:25 AM
It is my understanding that a congress person cannot introduce anything without the approval of those pulling the strings.

Sammy
11-07-2019, 05:07 AM
This will trigger the Republican Establishment!
Go Pete D’Abrosca!

Kilrain
11-07-2019, 07:24 AM
Sorry, but that sounds like a really dumb idea. It's just unworkable and counter-productive.

I could get behind a proposal that stipulates zero net immigration, coupled with requiring immigrants to take an IQ test and score above the current US average, and a requirement that you have to pay a certain amount of income tax (like 10x what the median US worker pays in a year) before becoming eligible for any social services.

But to just say no one can move to the US, under any circumstances, just doesn’t make sense.

dean.engelhardt
11-07-2019, 07:34 AM
I remember the old days (10 years ago) when this was a left wing stand.

enhanced_deficit
11-07-2019, 07:36 AM
It is my understanding that a congress person cannot introduce anything without the approval of those pulling the strings.

Are you suggesting puppet masters are running the show? If so, who would those PMs be?

Such a proposal may impact alleged Russian foreign interference in US elections though:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?539559-India%92s-prime-minister-accused-of-%93interfering%94-in-the-next-US-presidential-election&p=6865174&viewfull=1#post6865174




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Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Donald Trump attend the "Howdy, Modi!" rally at NRG Stadium in Houston Sunday. Photo: Saul Loeb/AFP/Getty Images


MH1BGA (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?527029-Trump-I-want-to-scrap-all-H1B-visas&p=6733646&viewfull=1#post6733646)
US approves more H-1B visas this year
Oct 14, 2019



US has approved a higher number of H-1B applications this year
3.89 lakh applications were approved for the fiscal 2019, up from last year's 3.35 lakh
In past years, more than 70% of the aggregate H-1B visa applications for new jobs and visa extensions given to those born in India

MUMBAI: The US has approved a higher number of H-1B applications (both for initial visas and visa extensions for continued employment) this year, showing that the demand for these work visas continues unabated. This is a relief to Indians, who are the dominant holders of H-1B visas, especially after processing regulations got more stringent post-2015 .

Temporary relief to Indians in US! Work ban on H-1B visa holders' spouses pushed back till 2020
A 2015 rule issued by Barack Obama allowed work permits for certain categories of H-4 visa holders (dependent family members - spouse and children - of the H-1B visa holders), who otherwise could not be employed
September 19, 2019

Sammy
11-07-2019, 08:31 AM
Sorry, but that sounds like a really dumb idea. It's just unworkable and counter-productive.

I could get behind a proposal that stipulates zero net immigration, coupled with requiring immigrants to take an IQ test and score above the current US average, and a requirement that you have to pay a certain amount of income tax (like 10x what the median US worker pays in a year) before becoming eligible for any social services.

But to just say no one can move to the US, under any circumstances, just doesn’t make sense.

The problem with mass immigration is that most of them vote for bigger Government.
We have to many immigrants that are not assimilated. We need to deal with this problem first!

revgen
11-07-2019, 08:31 AM
The digital economy allows companies to hire foreigners without needing them to come here physically. In 2019, the question should be, why do these employees need to move here to work for you?

Schifference
11-07-2019, 11:16 AM
Are you suggesting puppet masters are running the show? If so, who would those PMs be?


Such a proposal may impact alleged Russian foreign interference in US elections though:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?539559-India%92s-prime-minister-accused-of-%93interfering%94-in-the-next-US-presidential-election&p=6865174&viewfull=1#post6865174


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD6wxH5gIk8

AngryCanadian
11-07-2019, 11:22 AM
Soros wont be happy.

Todd
11-07-2019, 12:55 PM
Sorry, but that sounds like a really dumb idea. It's just unworkable and counter-productive.

I could get behind a proposal that stipulates zero net immigration, coupled with requiring immigrants to take an IQ test and score above the current US average, and a requirement that you have to pay a certain amount of income tax (like 10x what the median US worker pays in a year) before becoming eligible for any social services.

But to just say no one can move to the US, under any circumstances, just doesn’t make sense.

I'll bet most immigrants could easily score higher than the US IQ average.

phill4paul
11-07-2019, 02:34 PM
Works for me.

Swordsmyth
11-07-2019, 04:39 PM
Sorry, but that sounds like a really dumb idea. It's just unworkable and counter-productive.

I could get behind a proposal that stipulates zero net immigration, coupled with requiring immigrants to take an IQ test and score above the current US average, and a requirement that you have to pay a certain amount of income tax (like 10x what the median US worker pays in a year) before becoming eligible for any social services.

But to just say no one can move to the US, under any circumstances, just doesn’t make sense.
We need to freeze all immigration until further notice in order to deal with the excessive and incompatible immigrants already here.

Swordsmyth
11-07-2019, 04:40 PM
I'll bet most immigrants could easily score higher than the US IQ average.
You would lose.

But thanks for exposing your America hate.

Swordsmyth
11-07-2019, 04:41 PM
I remember the old days (10 years ago) when this was a left wing stand.
One they never meant and only took in order to fool the right into opposing it.

Kilrain
11-07-2019, 05:48 PM
We need to freeze all immigration until further notice in order to deal with the excessive and incompatible immigrants already here.

I think that's conflating two separate issues. I totally agree with getting rid of "bad" immigrants - pretty much anyone who is a drain on society, financially or even culturally, and with having a really high bar for immigrants. Basically, you only want immigrants that are "better" than the natives. But you don't actually get rid of any "bad" immigrants by keeping out "good" immigrants, so as a policy measure this sounds rather pointless.

Edit: But you could have a policy that ties immgration to emigration, meaning that more people have to emigrate (including forced repatriation) than are allowed to immigrate. It's just that a complete freeze on all immigration doesn't make sense. Preventing a Finnish neurosurgeon from moving to the US does not get rid of a single illegal alien or welfare parasite.

euphemia
11-07-2019, 05:54 PM
I think we need a break of about 3-5 years so tptb can clear the backlog of legal applications sitting on their desks.

Swordsmyth
11-07-2019, 05:56 PM
I think that's conflating two separate issues. I totally agree with getting rid of "bad" immigrants - pretty much anyone who is a drain on society, financially or even culturally, and with having a really high bar for immigrants. Basically, you only want immigrants that are "better" than the natives. But you don't actually get rid of any "bad" immigrants by keeping out "good" immigrants, so as a policy measure this sounds rather pointless.
There are no "good" immigrants if they don't assimilate and they won't assimilate while we have so many new arrivals that they don't have to experience the real America.
We need the freeze to give us time to assimilate any good immigrants and expel the bad ones until we have a low enough proportion of immigrants that those we do let in assimilate.

Kilrain
11-07-2019, 05:59 PM
There are no "good" immigrants if they don't assimilate and they won't assimilate while we have so many new arrivals that they don't have to experience the real America.
We need the freeze to give us time to assimilate any good immigrants and expel the bad ones until we have a low enough proportion of immigrants that those we do let in assimilate.

See my edit above.

phill4paul
11-07-2019, 06:56 PM
We need to freeze all immigration until further notice in order to deal with the excessive and incompatible immigrants already here.

Freeze ALL immigration until Congress, both House AND Senate can come up with a comprehensive and rational process.

Swordsmyth
11-07-2019, 06:58 PM
Freeze ALL immigration until Congress, both House AND Senate can come up with a comprehensive and rational process.

And then wait to implement it until we deal with the excess we already have.

Stratovarious
11-07-2019, 07:10 PM
10 years sounds like a long time, I was thinking 5 years, but what's the rush , what does America
owe the world?
Nada , nadakngthing .

Lets go with Sword's idea, why put a limit on it, lets put out the stop losses and see where we are when
the dust settles.

Stratovarious
11-07-2019, 07:11 PM
Freeze ALL immigration until Congress, both House AND Senate can come up with a comprehensive and rational process.
This sounds like permanent.

:frog:

PAF
11-07-2019, 07:14 PM
I could get behind a proposal that stipulates zero net immigration, coupled with requiring immigrants to take an IQ test and score above the current US average, and a requirement that you have to pay a certain amount of income tax (like 10x what the median US worker pays in a year) before becoming eligible for any social services.


But to just say no one can move to the US, under any circumstances, just doesn’t make sense.

^ This ^ on RonPaulForums... just doesn’t make sense.

:flushed:

Krugminator2
11-07-2019, 07:18 PM
Immigration socialists: I don't know if Ludwig von Mises, Albert Einstein, and Ayn Rand will assimilate. Better keep them out. They are taking all the genius jobs from mediocre American workers.

The people who founded Google, eBay, Telsa, Intel and tons of other big companies that I can't think of off the top my head were founded by immigrants.

"In fact, 40% of the Fortune 500 was founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants. "
"Immigrants started 28.5% of all new businesses in 2014." https://www.inc.com/dustin-mckissen/study-shows-immigrants-are-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-become-entrepreneurs.html

There is some middle ground on immigration. But keeping immigrants out for ten years is the kind of idea a 27 year who runs a blog that makes zero money and wants attention would come up with. Letting immigrants buy the right of entry just like they buy a house or college education is probably the best solution. They regulates immigration automatically based on the need in the economy.

I don't even really understand the argument for keeping any immigrant with a STEM degree out. The reality is college educated immigrants are much smarter and more industrious.

phill4paul
11-07-2019, 07:19 PM
This sounds like permanent.

:frog:

That'd be fine too.

Swordsmyth
11-07-2019, 07:21 PM
Immigration socialists: I don't know if Ludwig von Mises, Albert Einstein, and Ayn Rand will assimilate. Better keep them out. They are taking all the genius jobs from mediocre American workers.

The people who founded Google, eBay, Telsa, Intel and tons of other big companies that I can't think of off the top my head were founded by immigrants.

"In fact, 40% of the Fortune 500 was founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants. "
"Immigrants started 28.5% of all new businesses in 2014." https://www.inc.com/dustin-mckissen/study-shows-immigrants-are-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-become-entrepreneurs.html

There is some middle ground on immigration. But keeping immigrants out for ten years is the kind of idea a 27 year who runs a blog that makes zero money and wants attention would come up with. Letting immigrants buy the right of entry just like they buy a house or college education is probably the best solution. They regulates immigration automatically based on the need in the economy.



Another cash register libertarian.
It's not about economics, it's about political culture, you will lose all the economic benefit you imagine you will get and more when the unassimilating immigrants impose communism.

Stratovarious
11-07-2019, 07:25 PM
That'd be fine too.
Yep, the safest times for America is also when Congress is not in session.

Krugminator2
11-07-2019, 07:26 PM
Another cash register libertarian.
It's not about economics, it's about political culture, you will lose all the economic benefit you imagine you will get and more when the unassimilating immigrants impose communism.


Good point. The disproportionate number of immigrants who excel in STEM and entrepreneurship are a real drain on the culture. The toothless meth and opioid addicted real Americans are what give the country "culture" and make it great.

Swordsmyth
11-07-2019, 07:29 PM
Good point. The disproportionate number of immigrants who excel in STEM and entrepreneurship are a real drain on the culture. The toothless meth and opioid addicted real Americans are what give the country "culture" and make it great.
Your biased Oikophobic view of Americans makes no difference, the immigrants vote for much larger government at much higher rates.

phill4paul
11-07-2019, 07:30 PM
Rule#1:

No foreign trespasser will be granted any form of citizenship. Any foreign trespasser will immediately be deported, unless said trespasser has committed a felony in which case the trespasser will be prosecuted and, upon serving sentence, at hard labor, then be deported.

Rule #2:

No immigrant shall enter or be granted citizenship without first obtaining a U.S. sponsor. Either in the form of an individual or a charitable organization. Said sponsor will be responsible for the immigrants upkeep. This will include food, housing and education costs. Said sponsor will be responsible for any debt or liability incurred by their sponsorship.

Stratovarious
11-07-2019, 07:30 PM
Immigration socialists: I don't know if Ludwig von Mises, Albert Einstein, and Ayn Rand will assimilate. Better keep them out. They are taking all the genius jobs from mediocre American workers.

The people who founded Google, eBay, Telsa, Intel and tons of other big companies that I can't think of off the top my head were founded by immigrants.

"In fact, 40% of the Fortune 500 was founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants. "
"Immigrants started 28.5% of all new businesses in 2014." https://www.inc.com/dustin-mckissen/study-shows-immigrants-are-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-become-entrepreneurs.html

There is some middle ground on immigration. But keeping immigrants out for ten years is the kind of idea a 27 year who runs a blog that makes zero money and wants attention would come up with. Letting immigrants buy the right of entry just like they buy a house or college education is probably the best solution. They regulates immigration automatically based on the need in the economy.

I don't even really understand the argument for keeping any immigrant with a STEM degree out. The reality is college educated immigrants are much smarter and more industrious.

Brilliant observation.

Somalians (Somalis) ?
Haitians ?
MS 13 Members ?
Mid East Terrorist?
Socialist Liberals?

Swordsmyth
11-07-2019, 07:32 PM
Rule#1:

No foreign trespasser will be granted any form of citizenship. Any foreign trespasser will immediately be deported, unless said trespasser has committed a felony in which case the trespasser will be prosecuted and, upon serving sentence, at hard labor, then be deported.

Rule #2:

No immigrant shall enter or be granted citizenship without first obtaining a U.S. sponsor. Either in the form of an individual or a charitable organization. Said sponsor will be responsible for the immigrants upkeep. This will include food, housing and education costs. Said sponsor will be responsible for any debt or liability incurred by their sponsorship.
Rule #3:

No visitor shall be allowed to enter the country without posting a bond that will cover the costs of his removal and a reward for someone turning him in should he overstay.

PAF
11-07-2019, 07:36 PM
Rule#1:

No foreign trespasser will be granted any form of citizenship. Any foreign trespasser will immediately be deported, unless said trespasser has committed a felony in which case the trespasser will be prosecuted and, upon serving sentence, at hard labor, then be deported.

Rule #2:

No immigrant shall enter or be granted citizenship without first obtaining a U.S. sponsor. Either in the form of an individual or a charitable organization. Said sponsor will be responsible for the immigrants upkeep. This will include food, housing and education costs. Said sponsor will be responsible for any debt or liability incurred by their sponsorship.

I like part of the first sentence of #1, not including trespasser. Everything else is completely statist which Feeds the Fed.

Just sayin’ ;)

Swordsmyth
11-07-2019, 07:39 PM
I like part of the first sentence of #1, not including trespasser. Everything else is completely statist which Feeds the Fed.

Just sayin’ ;)
The immigrants are statist and feed the fed.

Anti Federalist
11-07-2019, 08:38 PM
Freeze ALL immigration until Congress, both House AND Senate can come up with a comprehensive and rational process.

They had one, signed by the most libertarian president ever, and it worked, very well, for over 40 years.

Until the beginning of the end in 1965.

Repeal Hart-Celler and reset the clock to the Immigration Act of 1924. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965)

Simple, legal, constitutional and effective.

And will never happen.

Anti Federalist
11-07-2019, 08:45 PM
Immigration socialists: I don't know if Ludwig von Mises, Albert Einstein, and Ayn Rand will assimilate. Better keep them out. They are taking all the genius jobs from mediocre American workers.

But they weren't...kept out that is.

So, repeal Hart-Celler and reset the clock back to the rules under the Immigration Act of 1924.

I'm willing to compromise on that.


The people who founded Google, eBay, Telsa, Intel and tons of other big companies that I can't think of off the top my head were founded by immigrants.

Not a fan of a single one of those rent seeking surveillance corps.

Todd
11-08-2019, 09:51 AM
You would lose.

But thanks for exposing your America hate.

Lol. You are a fucking collectivist looney. American's can't even find Mexico on a map and I'm an American hater. Dumbass.

Swordsmyth
11-08-2019, 03:48 PM
Lol. You are a $#@!ing collectivist looney. American's can't even find Mexico on a map and I'm an American hater. Dumbass.
LOL
The collectivist calling all Americans dumb and all immigrants brilliant is calling me a collectivist.

Just keep exposing your hatred for your countrymen.

Todd
11-08-2019, 08:20 PM
LOL
The collectivist calling all Americans dumb and all immigrants brilliant is calling me a collectivist.

Just keep exposing your hatred for your countrymen.

You’re reading comprehension skills are pretty shitty. What is it about me surmising foreign IQ are probably higher than “most”...meaning many....lots....not ALL dipshit?

Pathetic propagandists

Swordsmyth
11-08-2019, 08:29 PM
You’re reading comprehension skills are pretty $#@!ty. What is it about me surmising foreign IQ are probably higher than “most”...meaning many....lots....not ALL dip$#@!?

Pathetic propagandists
You can't even see it when it is pointed out to you.

Yet you would call me a "collectivist" for pointing out the political and voting trends of the immigrants with actual data to back it up.

Oikophobia is a disease.

Swordsmyth
12-07-2019, 12:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKhETm43aGo