Romney Has Better Grades Than Paul In New Immigration Report Card

[libertygrl]

I just received this link to "Presidential Candidates Report Cards" on Immigration. I was very disappointed to review Dr. Paul's report card put out by the group Americans For Better Immigration. Dr. Paul's ratings are listed between poor - good on various immigration issues. (I'll never hear the end of this on the immigration forums I belong to!) I was sure he had a better record than what they are reporting. At least better than Thompson and Romney! They have a few excellent ratings on their cards! Dr. paul not even one!

Anyone want to take a look and see if there are any discrepancies? If there are, the person who conducted the report (Roy Beck) is open to receiving email about it. This is a very important issue with Republicans and should not be taken lightly.

Presidential Candidates Report Cards on Immigration:
http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez08_gop1.html#criteria

Roy Beck can be reached at:
candidates@congressgrades.org

[fortilite]

I got that too, from NumbersUsa. But you know what? They are extremists, they don't want ANY immigration. Or at least NumbersUsa doesn't. I have a problem with illegals, not people who were invited.

And Ron Paul isn't going to sacrifice the constitution to tackle illegal immigration. His priorities are straight.

[integrity]

one thing I see right off the bat is they are using RP's opposition to the REAL ID to give him a negative on drivers licenses.......thats wrong!

[fortilite]

Exactly. Constitution and liberty first! Those are more important than stopping illegal immigration. Stopping illegal immigration is important, but it doesn't come close to the fundementals that are the Constitution.

[integrity]

also i see they want congressmen to co-sponsor the SAVE act H.R. 4088..... which RP opposes rightfully so. that's wrong too. this thing is bull.....


I give this website an "F" in honesty and an "A" for pushing its own agenda

[dmspilot00]

one thing I see right off the bat is they are using RP's opposition to the REAL ID to give him a negative on drivers licenses.......thats wrong! Yeah, that's wrong. And they are saying immigration causes congestion and sprawl? I've studied congestion and sprawl, and it is certainly not caused by immigration. They really pulled that one out of a hat.

[fortilite]

They are extremists. First they want to stop all immigration, second they don't care what sacrifices they make to do so.

[Goldwater Conservative]

These are the ones he scored less than GOOD on:

"Reduce legal immigration" - He wants to secure the border against illegal immigration, but he has no problem with a welcoming legal immigration policy. Also, he opposes amnesty, the welfare state, and birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants, all of which give foreigners an incentive to illegally enter the country. And he's the best candidate on national sovereignty (NAFTA, NAU, etc.).

"End chain migration" - This is when legal residents bring more and more family members into the country. Again, he has no problem if they're here legally.

"Mandatory workplace verification", "Punish employers who hire illegal aliens" - He's against the federal government meddling in private business for most matters, especially when it seeks to punish business for the logical consequences of bad or unenforced government policy.

"Prohibit states from issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens" - He's against the national ID card for constitutional reasons and over civil liberties concerns. Leave the issue of driver's licenses to the states, where it belongs, and start actually carrying out our laws at the border.

"Prohibit in-state tuition to illegal aliens" - Again, state issue.

[integrity]

We wouldn't be in this mess now if they would just ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS!!!!

[Ron Paul in 2008]

Punishing employers who hire illegal aliens, sanctuary cities and drivers licenses for illegals are state responsibilities. A lot of anti-immigration bills have unconstitutional stuff attached to it so he will vote against it and get a bad rating. However, Ron Paul is a little bit of a libertarian on immigration and I do not like it. He is still better than the other guys like Romney, Thompson etc but this is one issue he can be stronger on. We need to contact Ron Paul and let him know. However, Tom Tancredos and Hunter's immigration policies are basically identical to Ron Pauls.


I got that too, from NumbersUsa. But you know what? They are extremists, they don't want ANY immigration. Or at least NumbersUsa doesn't. I have a problem with illegals, not people who were invited.

And Ron Paul isn't going to sacrifice the constitution to tackle illegal immigration. His priorities are straight.

They are dead on. We should put a moratorium on immigration for at least 5-10 years. We are facing an exploding population and America is full. We accept one million immigrants a year. Its insanity.


They are extremists. First they want to stop all immigration, second they don't care what sacrifices they make to do so.

We accept one million immigrants a year and 85 percent are non-European. This is a rapid transformation of the country I do not want. Since when should America welcome immigrants from the third world?


Yeah, that's wrong. And they are saying immigration causes congestion and sprawl? I've studied congestion and sprawl, and it is certainly not caused by immigration. They really pulled that one out of a hat.

How can that not be true? We have added over 30 million immigrants since 1965 and the majority are concentrated in our cities.

[libertygrl]

Punishing employers who hire illegal aliens, sanctuary cities and driver's licenses for illegals are state responsibilities. A lot of anti-immigration bills have unconstitutional stuff attached to it so he will vote against it and get a bad rating. However, Ron Paul is a little bit of a libertarian on immigration and I do not like it. He is still better than the other guys like Romney, Thompson etc but this is one issue he can be stronger on. We need to contact Ron Paul and let him know. However, Tom Tancredos and Hunter's immigration policies are basically identical to Ron Pauls.



They are dead on. We should put a moratorium on immigration for at least 5-10 years. We are facing an exploding population and America is full. We accept one million immigrants a year. Its insanity.



We accept one million immigrants a year and 85 percent are non-European. This is a rapid transformation of the country I do not want. Since when should America welcome immigrants from the third world?



How can that not be true? We have added over 30 million immigrants since 1965 and the majority are concentrated in our cities.


I'm more in line with your views. At first it was just illegal immigration for me, but I think we need a time out on the legal as well. (I believe we've done it in the past.)It doesn't mean I want an end to legal immigration forever, but I do think we need a moratorium on it. No country can sustain the continuous amount of people that we keep bringing in every year.

I also believe many of the things they want to legislate regarding immigration, is already on the books. The laws just need to be enforced.

I do wish Ron Paul would address immigration issues more often than he has. For many Conservatives, this is a major issue and I think they are still uncertain about him because of it.

[Maverick]

Punishing employers who hire illegal aliens, sanctuary cities and driver's licenses for illegals are state responsibilities. A lot of anti-immigration bills have unconstitutional stuff attached to it so he will vote against it and get a bad rating. However, Ron Paul is a little bit of a libertarian on immigration and I do not like it. He is still better than the other guys like Romney, Thompson etc but this is one issue he can be stronger on. We need to contact Ron Paul and let him know. However, Tom Tancredos and Hunter's immigration policies are basically identical to Ron Pauls.



They are dead on. We should put a moratorium on immigration for at least 5-10 years. We are facing an exploding population and America is full. We accept one million immigrants a year. Its insanity.



We accept one million immigrants a year and 85 percent are non-European. This is a rapid transformation of the country I do not want. Since when should America welcome immigrants from the third world?



How can that not be true? We have added over 30 million immigrants since 1965 and the majority are concentrated in our cities.

I guess the "tired, poor, and huddled masses" can just go f*ck themselves, right?

[Man from La Mancha]

USA numbers is a fantastic organization. Without them we would have had amnesty and more welfare going to illegals. They are not against immigration but want to qualify the quality of the immigrants we let in. They have an automatic process for sending faxes to the congress that just takes 30 seconds to do. They have flooded congress with 100,000s of vote no faxes. I have given them money and will continue to do so. As typical we have people on these forums that want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

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[xao]

I guess the "tired, poor, and huddled masses" can just go f*ck themselves, right?

If you want a moralistic wilsonian democract for president, I recommend hillary clinton. They should be deported if they're illegal. That is the law, regardless if Bush wants to follow it or not. And i'd guess if america voted on that issue right now it would be a majority vote to deport illegals.

People shouldn't be allowed to jump in line ahead of others like these illegals did.
I'm not only blaming them, our govt. is to blame as well as corporations and companies.

The tired, poor and huddled masses refered to europeans, in a completely less crowded and different time in American history. We have overpopulation up the ying-yang these days. And urban sprawl, It's time to enforce the existing laws on the books.

[xao]

For many Conservatives, this is a major issue and I think they are still uncertain about him because of it.

Change that to "a major issue for many americans" and you've nailed it.

It is a real problem and it needs to be tackled head on.

[xao]

one thing I see right off the bat is they are using RP's opposition to the REAL ID to give him a negative on drivers licenses.......thats wrong!

I agree. None of this makes any sense because they gave him a B+ here. It seems ALL OF A SUDDEN, they have decided to sell out to special interests and downgrade him on those unconstitutional bills. That is a very weak and non-scientific thing to do on there part, all of a sudden.

Rons grade B+
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=TX&VIPID=787

As you can see, only tancredo and hunter have higher grades but they are utterly clueless on other very important issues and sub tier in polling and funding.
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/539/clipboarddk1.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3991/immigrationvotingreportnn6.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/539/clipboarddk1.jpg

The far more reputable VDARE.(They've been there from day one

Ron with a B grade here. higher than all except tancredo and hunter.
http://www.vdare.com/burns/070813_pi.htm

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-security-and-immigration-reform/

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul269.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul314.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U4RgUh5G38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZsBiZYocg

[xao]

Okay I just figured it out. THE ORIGINAL THREAD TOPIC POST IS FROM a month in 2006!!!!! NOT 2007.

TOTALLY MISLEADING!!!


Here are his REAL grades from 2005-2007!!!!
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=TX&VIPID=787

Clearly he is higher than all except hunter and tancredo

Ron was given a "B to B+" !!!

Furthermore, Romney is responsible for illegals doing projects at his estate. Dr. Paul doesn't have that problem.

Giuliani made new york a sanctuary city.

Huckabee wanted to give drivers licenses to illegals.


End of story.

[crashm1]

Punishing employers who hire illegal aliens, sanctuary cities and driver's licenses for illegals are state responsibilities. A lot of anti-immigration bills have unconstitutional stuff attached to it so he will vote against it and get a bad rating. However, Ron Paul is a little bit of a libertarian on immigration and I do not like it. He is still better than the other guys like Romney, Thompson etc but this is one issue he can be stronger on. We need to contact Ron Paul and let him know. However, Tom Tancredos and Hunter's immigration policies are basically identical to Ron Pauls.



They are dead on. We should put a moratorium on immigration for at least 5-10 years. We are facing an exploding population and America is full. We accept one million immigrants a year. Its insanity.

America is full? There are vast tracts of empty space in this country yet even if you discount Alaska.



We accept one million immigrants a year and 85 percent are non-European. This is a rapid transformation of the country I do not want. Since when should America welcome immigrants from the third world?


My great grandparents were from a 3rd world nation it's called Ireland.



How can that not be true? We have added over 30 million immigrants since 1965 and the majority are concentrated in our cities.

In 1965 the cenus pegged the US pop. at 194 million give or take a few thousand so we added 30 million immigrants in 42 years and increased the population of native born Americans by roughly 75 million in the same time span I don't think we are in any danger of being overrun any time soon.
Unless you can trace your ancestry to Native Americans someone in your bloodline immigrated here probably for the ideals and opportunity afforded to all. IMHO to go against our history as a nation that welcomes all no matter their color or creed does a disservice to the ideals in both our Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[xao]

In 1965 the cenus pegged the US pop. at 194 million give or take a few thousand so we added 30 million immigrants in 42 years and increased the population of native born Americans by roughly 75 million in the same time span I don't think we are in any danger of being overrun any time soon.
Unless you can trace your ancestry to Native Americans someone in your bloodline immigrated here probably for the ideals and opportunity afforded to all. IMHO to go against our history as a nation that welcomes all no matter their color or creed does a disservice to the ideals in both our Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

First off where do you get your numbers? I'd like to see a legit. link for them.
Second, you're not even counting the 20+ million ILLEGALS that are here now and you're not counting all of the kids they have(they breed like rabbits. truth over pc speak is the best policy)

I'm of native american stock though we weren't here first. Caucasions most likely were. Kennewick man and people older than him were here using the bering land bridge from where russia is. I saw a show on discovery channel about this and followed it up online. There's a lot of info about it. Especially on google. Then there is the pre clovis spear points that cromagnons made found in the south eastern u.s. and also the pre viking, norse sailing passages from greenland to minnesota area. Also, mongolians mixed with caucasoids are what natives here would most likely be. Especially since north american indians are lighter skinned than cental or south american ones. Also, whether a few people may not ike it, primarely European rooterd people built this country into something great, as it was molded on european/western style democracy and a Republic.
So we owe most of america's sucess to them for the science, and ingenuity.

It is only really in the last 50 or so years that this country has been flooded with the third world from mexico that the country has started to feel the effects and go slowly to hell. Though the moralistic wilsonians and marxists in govt. did form the fed reserve and did start to short circuit america earlier via the banks.

Us natives have historically fought with the mexicans that tried to come into our areas and take them. They were never even here orginally. The LaRaza racists are trying to do the same thing now. They will never win. I can guarantee you that. They can work with their zionist scum owner of univision, Haim Saban, but they will never win.

The corrupt socialists and marxists(mainly zionists) in govt. and congress put forth bills to sponsor most of the third world immigration.
These are the same scumbags that limited LEGAL european immigration into the u.s. The europeans who came over weren't from third world countries. I believe in quality over quantity btw.

Anyway this is all water under the bridge, I believe in dealing with what is going on today and preparing for the future. We need to tackle the illegal immigration problem and or pourous southern border.

We have over 2 million people come in legally each year according to lou dobbs. We don't need anymore and we certainly don't need any more illegal aliens flooding in over here, having 6-8 kids and suffocating the southern states and california with their leeching, crime, gangs, and total hatred for learning english. We already have around 20 million that should be deported.

California itself is a nightmare because of this. Gangs everywhere, hospitol closures. Free healthcare and benefits for them. etc. While legal americans pay the bills.

This has to stop.

Back to the main topic, clearly romney, huckabee and giuliani are worse on illegal immigration.
Rons grade B+
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=TX&VIPID=787

Ron with a B grade here
http://www.vdare.com/burns/070813_pi.htm

[ErikBlack]

Also, whether a few people may not ike it, primarely European rooterd people built this country into something great, as it was molded on european/western style democracy and a Republic.
So we owe most of america's sucess to them for the science, and ingenuity.


At the time the United States was founded were there any democracies in Europe? I was under the impression that most of Europe was run by monarchs. The democratic principles of this nation are more closely related to the traditions of the native Iroquois Confederacy than anything back in old Europe.

That being said I agree with you that all forms of immigration should be reduced drastically. Not for the purpose of preserving white European heritage or any nonsense like that. Just because we have 300 million people of all colors in this country now and that is plenty enough.

Over-population is the biggest threat we face as Americans and human beings. If we do not change our philosophies about growth this small planet with its finite resources will not be able to support us for much longer.

[crashm1]

xao,

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ref/abouttx/census.html there is your link.

I have no problem with removing incentives for illegal immigrants and I support securing the border so we can determine who is entering the country. We agree there completely. I don't think closing the borders to all immigration is good for us nor do I think restricting it to 1st world nations would be good. One of the things that has made America great is that the world has seen us take in the downtrodden of the world and then seen those folks become part of the melting pot, within a couple generations they become Americans. At least that's my 2 cents.

[xao]

[QUOTE=ErikBlack;607404]At the time the United States was founded were there any democracies in Europe? I was under the impression that most of Europe was run by monarchs. The democratic principles of this nation are more closely related to the traditions of the native Iroquois Confederacy than anything back in old Europe.

The principles of america's greatness are largely rooted in European greek culture. So the answer is clearly yes. A Republic. Though I liked the early scandinavian influence on nothern europe that went against the usary system and modified the setup of a jury to be trial by peers.

>That being said I agree with you that all forms of immigration should be reduced drastically. Not for the purpose of preserving white European heritage or any nonsense like that.

How is preserving a native culture nonsense? I certainly disagree with your misguided marxist viewpoints there. Furthermore there is no such thing scientifically as "white". there is caucasooid, mongoloid, capoid, negroid, australoid, etc. etc. "white" and "black" are just globalist terms used by the media and govt. to stigmatize people. Most european rooted people i've seen tend to have beige or tan colored skin. I think the fairest i've seen were some black haired and dark eyed-Irish people. And we all know the Irish have been picked on at times by the brittish but still persevered because of their great celtic culture and spirit. Many came over at a time when America wasn't overpopulated like it is now and they assimilated into america and brought a lot to america in the way of science, industry, and philosopy. Many of them even built parts of Los Angeles.
And quite frankly I've seen Los Angeles devalued and go down-hill in so many areas the last 50 years because of illegal immigration. Once great, family fun areas are now gang zones.

>Over-population is the biggest threat we face as Americans and human beings. If we do not change our philosophies about growth this small planet with its finite resources will not be able to support us for much longer.

I agree with you on that. We need to limit all future immigration imo.

[xao]

[QUOTE=crashm1;607411]
>I don't think closing the borders to all immigration is good for us

Nor do I but there should be limits. 1-2 million each year is too much imo.

>nor do I think restricting it to 1st world nations would be good.

I disagree, I think we should be taking in the best and the brightest. Especially at this point, givin that illegals don't want to assimilate and be proud americans like europeans did.

>One of the things that has made America great is that the world has seen us take in the downtrodden of the world

Yes but we weren't taking in a majority from the third world like we are now.
This is part of the problem.

>within a couple generations they become Americans. At least that's my 2 cents.

I wish you were right but I haven't seen a majority of mexicans doing that. My 2 pieces of gold.

[alexa doherty]

Punishing employers who hire illegal aliens, sanctuary cities and driver's licenses for illegals are state responsibilities. A lot of anti-immigration bills have unconstitutional stuff attached to it so he will vote against it and get a bad rating. However, Ron Paul is a little bit of a libertarian on immigration and I do not like it. He is still better than the other guys like Romney, Thompson etc but this is one issue he can be stronger on. We need to contact Ron Paul and let him know. However, Tom Tancredos and Hunter's immigration policies are basically identical to Ron Pauls.

They are dead on. We should put a moratorium on immigration for at least 5-10 years. We are facing an exploding population and America is full. We accept one million immigrants a year. Its insanity.

We accept one million immigrants a year and 85 percent are non-European. This is a rapid transformation of the country I do not want. Since when should America welcome immigrants from the third world?

We have added over 30 million immigrants since 1965 and the majority are concentrated in our cities.


It is so true. Just look at this.
The illegal alien population may be as high as 38 Million
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/10/study_says_illegal_alien_popul.php

[alexa doherty]

America's Curse
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/7/20/212247.shtml

[alexa doherty]

Colorado Farmers Turn to Low-Level Prisoners to Do Work of Illegal Immigrants!
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289270,00.html
We DON'T need any more mexicans to pick our crops! We have majorly overcrowded jails in this country. EASILLY MORE THAN ENOUGH in each state to do the job! Let's do what Colorado and Washington does! Everyone please pass this story on to all illegal immigrant discussions or videos. Help spread the word!

Illegal immigration is about one thing - CHEAP LABOR. It's a collusion between:
1) U.S. corporations
2) Illegal Immigrants
3) U.S. Politicians (paid off by businessmen to NOT enforce the law)

This is happening because U.S. businessmen want to undercut the U.S. labor class (ie. proletariat) & replace them with low wage workers.

WHO WINS? Illegal workers (earning FAR MORE than in Mexico) and U.S. businessmen in extra profits from cheap labor.

WHO LOSES? The U.S. labor/working class.

Instead of cleaning up there own country and making it into a worthy place to live, they come to the USA illegally and DEMAND rights from a foreign country instead of demanding that their OWN country get its act together. Add to that, that La Raza is an organization of RACISTS that cares NOTHING for the progress & well being of the United States of America. Personally I think the USA needs to use mexico's policy of illegal immigration... mexico shoots illegals. We should do what they do.

The illegals aren't entitled to Due Process of Law. All they are entitled to is SUMMARY JUSTICE. Round them up by the hundreds, and haul them back to Mexico in barred-window buses!

Better yet, FINE them first, and FORCE-work them to pay off the fine... THEN deport them.

Automatically declairing anyone that ever says anything negative about illegal aliens as "rascist" isn't going to work anymore. Oh, and what's with "la raza"(the race) term? Sounds like master race rhetoric to me.

[xao]

I didn't want this to get lost in translation so i'm posting it again.

THE ORIGINAL THREAD TOPIC POST IS FROM a month in 2006!!!!! NOT 2007.

TOTALLY MISLEADING!!!

Here are his REAL grades from 2005-2007!!!!
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=TX&VIPID=787

Rons grade B+
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=TX&VIPID=787

Ron with a B grade here at v-dare as well.
http://www.vdare.com/burns/070813_pi.htm


Clearly he is higher than all except hunter and tancredo

Ron was given a "B to B+" !!!

Furthermore, Romney is responsible for illegals doing projects at his estate. Dr. Paul doesn't have that problem.

Giuliani made new york a sanctuary city.

Huckabee wanted to give drivers licenses to illegals.


End of story.

[Mayflower]

Numbers USA does not understand the threat of the National ID card. It is the start of a worldwide ID card on the road to tyranny. I think it was an unfair grade. Ron Paul wants to take away their benifits and fine employers. I think that is an A. With Dr. Paul we have complete honesty. The other top candidates will lie and say anything to get elected. Does anyone believe Huckabee would do anything to stop illegal immigration? Hell no.

[Ron Paul in 2008]

I guess the "tired, poor, and huddled masses" can just go f*ck themselves, right?

This is allowing them at our expense. It has never been our responsibility to transfer the problems of the third world. Congress never allowed this policy and continually passed laws to prohibit the poor, sick, uneducated etc. Here is a history of the laws that prohibited prostitutes, people likely to become public charges, immoral people, political radicals etc. This list also added a list of undesirable immigrants and excluded: “idiots,” “feeble-minded persons,” “epileptics,” “insane persons,” alcoholics, “professional beggars,” all persons “mentally or physically defective,” polygamists, and anarchists. The law also established an “Asiatic Barred Zone,” which extended the Asian ban to other regions: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=dc60e1df53b2f010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCR D&vgnextchannel=dc60e1df53b2f010VgnVCM1000000ecd190a RCRD

The founding fathers didn't even support the over immigration of Anglos and said immigration should be gradual to provide for assimilation. They restricted immigration to Europeans and this policy was followed informally all the way up to 1968. As liberals will say this is "discrimination and racism," they did it to create an ethnically and culturally homogeneous society. However, America needed to be settled so they were more open to larger immigration but we are no longer in the 19th century. Mass immigration is completely insane. If you really want to see what you are advocating please watch this video about legal immigration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ


I'm more in line with your views. At first it was just illegal immigration for me, but I think we need a time out on the legal as well. (I believe we've done it in the past.)It doesn't mean I want an end to legal immigration forever, but I do think we need a moratorium on it. No country can sustain the continuous amount of people that we keep bringing in every year.

I also believe many of the things they want to legislate regarding immigration, is already on the books. The laws just need to be enforced.

I do wish Ron Paul would address immigration issues more often than he has. For many Conservatives, this is a major issue and I think they are still uncertain about him because of it.

If you are concerned about stopping mass immigration donate to the Federation For American Immigration Reform:

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer

I understand what you are saying. Most "conservatives" have been completely manipulated and convinced themselves its only illegal immigration that is the problem. Our legal immigration policy grants amnesty to 500 thousand Latinos each year and discriminates against Europeans. The policy we are following has no historical basis and is even more than the Great Wave of early 20th century European immigration.

[Patriot2572]

that's a f*cking joke. romney better on immigration than Paul??? What's romney's solution - forcing every citizen to carry a federal national id card with equip with an RFID chip.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I think immigration should be handled at the state level

[angelatc]

I think immigration should be handled at the state level

The constitution gives the responsibility to the Feds though.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

The constitution gives the responsibility to the Feds though.

where?

[xao]

I didn't want this to get lost in translation so i'm posting it again.

THE ORIGINAL THREAD TOPIC POST IS FROM a month in 2006!!!!! NOT 2007.

TOTALLY MISLEADING!!!

Here are his REAL grades from 2005-2007!!!!
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=TX&VIPID=787

Rons grade B+
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=TX&VIPID=787


Ron with a B grade here at v-dare as well.
http://www.vdare.com/burns/070813_pi.htm


Clearly he is higher than all except hunter and tancredo

Ron was given a "B to B+" !!!

Furthermore, Romney is responsible for illegals doing projects at his estate. Dr. Paul doesn't have that problem.

Giuliani made new york a sanctuary city.

Huckabee wanted to give drivers licenses to illegals.


End of story.

[Lord Xar]

You can write him, his email is at the bottom, and explain why he is being unfair.

I did. I mean, he is using "promises" as a barometer to measure the grades for many of the candidates. Be courteous, be nice, be respectful.

[Minuteman2008]

xao,

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ref/abouttx/census.html there is your link.

I have no problem with removing incentives for illegal immigrants and I support securing the border so we can determine who is entering the country. We agree there completely. I don't think closing the borders to all immigration is good for us nor do I think restricting it to 1st world nations would be good. One of the things that has made America great is that the world has seen us take in the downtrodden of the world and then seen those folks become part of the melting pot, within a couple generations they become Americans. At least that's my 2 cents.

Traditionally, immigrants didn't have a welfare state to fall back on if they couldn't hack it. Hence, a large percentage returned to their native countries. In addition, there was the pressure of the melting pot which encouraged immigrants to learn English and become Americans. Today, it is different. The melting pot is broken and seen as a tool of cultural genocide. It has been replaced with multiculturalism and the worship of diversity, even as America becomes a collection of balkanized communities. In addition, the largest source of immigrants, Mexicans, have an historic grievance against Americans, claiming the southwest is still Mexican territory. When President Calderon comments that "wherever there is a Mexican there is Mexico" we have a President who evidently agrees with him by remaining silent on the issue. I don't believe the current wave of immigration is like anything we've had before.

Even if assimilation can happen, we have traditionally had "timeouts" after heavy immigration. That isn't even being discussed, despite our population growing the fastest (because of immigration, not native births) at any time in our history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwsrt2tlzcU&feature=related