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Anti Federalist
10-18-2019, 07:03 PM
Can the Right Fight Without Saying White?

https://www.takimag.com/article/can-the-right-fight-without-saying-white/

by David Cole

October 15, 2019

Sometimes you get the hero you need, sometimes you get the hero you deserve, and sometimes you get a worthless dumbass who is neither. And if you’re really unlucky, you might get a whole flock of worthless dumbasses. I speak, of course, of the “conservatives” who spend every minute of every day desperately trying to convince the world how safe and nonthreatening they are. “Frugality, morality, and God bless our troops. Who can hate that? Down with Trump! Please like me!”

These flaccid feebs think the challenge of our time is to oppose Trump, but that’s foolish. Trump, like all presidents, has a shelf life.

The actual challenge of our time is to avoid the permanent fate being woven for us by those who wish to turn the U.S. into a Third World slum run on an apartheid system that awards jobs, rights, and protection based on identity.

For years I worked alongside the innocuous, cuddly conservatives who dominated the Southern California Republican scene. And as the left steadily upped its antiwhite vitriol, to the extent that “blame whitey” became the dominant theme, my National Review-consuming chums struggled to counter the new rhetoric. When leftists would scream, “Whites are privileged, evil, and must be reduced in numbers and influence,” we’d hit back with the zinger “You’re the real racists.”

Uh, yeah. So what? You know what doesn’t offend real racists? To be called real racists.

Imagine telling a 1920s KKK kleagle, “You know what, dude? You’re a racist.” He’d nod.

“1925 Ben Shapiro destroys Klansman with brilliant retort: ‘You’re racist!’”

If you want to counter a racist, you don’t point out that he’s racist; you point out that he’s wrong. But “Party of Lincoln” conservatives get queasy at the thought of saying anything positive about whiteness. They prefer room-temperature pap about how “we don’t ‘see’ race! America’s an idea, not a color! There are no inborn factors among humans that can’t be overcome with a Thomas Sowell book and a flag pin.”

That’s how it was then, that’s how it is now, even as the left’s war against “white” has gone total vernichtungskrieg. When leftists speak of the need for fewer whites in a particular business, agency, or field, always keep your response focused on “qualifications not quotas.” But never, never directly rebut the claim that if something’s “too white,” it’s by definition in need of diversification. Never even suggest that an overrepresentation of whites isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

Keep the notion of demographic change separate from any discussion of immigration. Remember—border issues don’t come down to anything more than the right paperwork. Scarecrow was dumb, then he got an official piece of paper from the Wizard, and now he’s smart. That’s totally how it works in the real world. There are no immigration problems that can’t be solved with properly filled-out forms.

Cuddly conservatives believe that the best response to the left’s rabid racism is to be “better than that.” And when nonwhite voters see how determined we are to avoid mentioning race, they’ll flock to the GOP in droves! This batty notion reminds me of mass shooter George Sodini, the proto-incel who opened fire on a women’s aerobics class in 2009 because he couldn’t get a date. Long before his massacre, a still-optimistic Sodini recorded a video in which he redecorated his apartment according to the specs outlined in a “how to please a woman” book he bought. In the video, as he shows off his matching upholstery and perfectly spaced end tables, a childlike Sodini confidently assures himself that his decorating skills will win him the affection he craves. “They’ll really be impressed,” he coos, in reference to the hypothetical women who never materialized.

That’s mainstream conservatives for ya, to a tee—obsessively redecorating for a demographic that’ll never date them while neglecting the one that will (funny how the GOP’s garishly pro-Israel interior decor has failed to attract throngs of Jewish gentleman callers).

Just last week, Greg Gutfeld on Fox’s The Five inadvertently made my point about how even our sharpest tools continue to police themselves on race. In a monologue condemning the media for preemptively blaming the Joker film for inciting “white rage,” Gutfeld quite legitimately brought up a ghastly quadruple murder in New York City that was downplayed by MSM journalists at the exact same moment they were wailing about hypothetical violence from a fictional film. Four homeless men were bludgeoned to death in their sleep right on the streets of Gotham. Gutfeld scolded the media for ignoring the crime because of the identity of the killer…an identity he refused to mention. “The Saturday-night massacre won’t lead the news,” Gutfeld explained, because “the perp isn’t the ideal mustache-twirling villain.”

And why isn’t he “the ideal mustache-twirling villain”? Gutfeld doesn’t say, choosing instead to stress that the killer’s mental illness is “a more relevant plot point than race.” Throughout the entire monologue and the discussion that followed, neither Gutfeld nor his show-mates explained why the perp, a dark-skinned Dominican immigrant, isn’t the “ideal villain.”

If you’re trying to make the point that the killer’s identity is why the media buried the story, why not speak the identity out loud? “The media was wrong to mention race regarding Joker, but I’m not going to mention race in response, even though my failure to do so entirely kills the point I’m trying to make.” After all, bringing up the guy’s identity might imply that cuddly conservatives have an objection to immigration policy that goes beyond mere paperwork.

I knew Gutfeld back in my GOP days, and he’s smarter than that monologue. But the sad fact is, the fear of appearing racist makes dunces of a lot of otherwise clever conservatives.

“By gum, those Founding Fathers sure were a brilliant group of men.”

“And how would you describe those Founding Fathers? You know, their identity?”

“Why, Judeo-Christian, of course! What other identity could possibly matter? Because I don’t see race. Hell, I always thought Ben Franklin was an aboriginal Pintupi. You’re telling me he wasn’t? Well, he could have been.”

Everything the left is today, everything it does, is based on the notion that white is bad. “White bad” is the cornerstone of all leftist positions, from the economy to the environment, entertainment, the internet, sports, science, and academia. And here come the cowed, delusional, milquetoast conservatives who think they can counter “white bad” without saying or even implying “white good.”

More than that, they don’t even want anyone in their ranks associating with someone who says “white good.” Increasingly, conservative organizations are booting people merely for rubbing shoulders with folks who are “white-positive.” Recently, Turning Point USA dismissed several members who dared to be in the same room as “white nationalists.” And just a few days ago, TPUSA’s Charlie Kirk shot down a young fan who dared to object to immigration on the basis of changing demographics rather than uncompleted forms. Kirk went so far as to call anti-immigration Republicans and conservatives “dangerous.” Trying to sound less open-bordery than he is, Kirk stressed that he only supports giving entry to “skilled” immigrants. He then immediately contradicted himself by stating that he supports all “aspirational” immigrants (the “aspirational” are not necessarily skilled).

Regardless of Kirk’s kowtowing and purges, rival conservative organizations continued to attack Turning Point for having members who dared to associate with people who have the wrong opinion on “white.”

Never say “white good,” and never breathe the same air as someone who does.

To be clear, I’m not trying to make a case for “white nationalism.” What I’m saying is, it’s just not possible to fight an entity that hates a thing without associating with people who like the thing. The left’s current raison d’être is “We hate white,” which cuddly conservatives hope to counter with an enforced and mandatory collective response of “We’re indifferent to white.”

There’s no passion in indifference, and no willingness to fight. The indifferent will always be defeated by the zealous. That rule is ironclad and eternal.

What I find most curious about the “no white pride” litmus test is that it comes courtesy of the so-called “big tent” Republicans who claim to be pro-life while not just tolerating but working alongside pro-choice libertarian-leaning GOPs. Am I missing something? Don’t pro-lifers think abortion is murder? But they’re more willing to work with people who support a baby holocaust than folks who say, “I prefer immigration from white countries”?

Isn’t abortion supposed to be genociding the black community? Isn’t that a few degrees worse than saying, “It’s okay to be white”?

If you police language and associations in the name of some kind of purity test meant to purge those who see being white the same way we Ashkenazim see being Jewish—something to be proud of, something that isn’t just “not bad” but good—you do so at your own risk. Unless you want rightists to lose the war. Unless that’s your plan. Oh look, I’ve circled back to Jewish Republicans! And big-business corporate Republicans, too. Nothing frightens those folks more than the sound of creaking hinges on the Pandora’s box of white populism (you know, that box they’ve been trying to sit on like an overstuffed suitcase since November 2016).

Hence Conservative Inc.’s love of a losing strategy. Loosening the reins a bit when it comes to the allowable ways to discuss race (or at least loosening the reins on associating with those who discuss race “incorrectly”) would be a good strategy for the GOP, one not too dissimilar to what worked in 2016. But that slope’s just a little too slippery for some of our more urbane conservative elites, who themselves don’t have the highest opinion of “white.”

Hence the party line, the myth that the best way to counter hatred against a group is to never say anything positive about the group.

Sure, those rules aren’t applied in other circumstances:

“The Nazis didn’t just target a group of people; they targeted an exceptional group! Look at all the big brains they lost by driving away the Jews!”

“Look at the amazing things blacks did for this country! Antiblack racism stifles the abilities of a talented race!”

“Don’t put down illegal immigrants! They work harder than us and their food is amazing!”

But then you get to…

“Whites are monsters who should be fired, silenced, and bullied!” And the response to that? “Whites are no better or worse than anyone else. Quit lookin’ at race, you real racist.”

Ben Franklin could’ve just as easily been a leaf-eating bare-assed aborigine. To suggest otherwise is racist. But Salk, Sabin, Gershwin, Freud, and Chagall could only have been Jewish. To suggest otherwise is racist.

“Never say white.” That’s rule No. 1 in the how-to book issued to the army of conservative George Sodinis whose pathetic desire for popularity has made them easy targets for advice-dispensing hucksters who don’t play by their own rules.

Swordsmyth
10-18-2019, 07:25 PM
You can't even talk culture without being assaulted as a racist.
And this site is just as bad as anywhere else.

But it's all going to change, an irresistible force of nature has changed direction.

https://i.postimg.cc/jS7qyjjN/K.jpg

Swordsmyth
10-18-2019, 07:33 PM
The fastest way to get banned here is to be too pro-white.

enhanced_deficit
10-18-2019, 07:34 PM
Have not read the article, but short answer to the headline question is YES.

There are two current models at least. MAGA revolution in US that stands for the Right and also condems 'white supremacy', 'white terrorism', 'bigotry' and cultivates 'diversity is our strength' messge at the same time.
MAGA revolution allied right wing EDL-Tommy Robsinson revolt in UK is another example that maintains strong diversity stance while standing up for the Right.

Swordsmyth
10-18-2019, 07:48 PM
Have not read the article, but short answer to the headline question is YES.

There are two current models at least. MAGA revolution in US that stands for the Right and also condems 'white supremacy', 'white terrorism', 'bigotry' and cultivates 'diversity is our strength' messge at the same time.
MAGA revolution allied right wing EDL-Tommy Robsinson revolt in UK is another example that maintains strong diversity stance while standing up for the Right.

Some things must be changed slowly and in concert with nature.

DJTvsg has already moved the overton window in the right direction and he will move it more.

acptulsa
10-18-2019, 08:18 PM
Buzzword buzzword buzzword.

Interesting how you can say nothing and still be wrong.

Swordsmyth
10-18-2019, 08:20 PM
Interesting how you can say nothing and still be wrong.

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgflip.com%2F1ezijj.jpg&f=1

acptulsa
10-18-2019, 08:26 PM
https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgflip.com%2F1ezijj.jpg&f=1

Actually, I wish you were right. But banning bump stocks, continuing droning Americans, driving the debt up and distracting people from these important things with an endless stream of semiliterate tweets isn't doing it.

You worship the man. Your cognitive dissonance demands you see progress. I worship no mortal, and see what is.

tod evans
10-18-2019, 08:27 PM
“Whites are monsters who should be fired, silenced, and bullied!”

Snicker..

Keep pushin'.

acptulsa
10-18-2019, 08:38 PM
Snicker..

Keep pushin'.

They will.

They want us to be busy fighting brainwashed zombies while they loot Rome before it burns.

tfurrh
10-18-2019, 08:45 PM
The fastest way to get banned here is to be too pro-white.

Johnny Rebel found that out all too quickly.

Origanalist
10-18-2019, 08:48 PM
You can't even talk culture without being assaulted as a racist.
And this site is just as bad as anywhere else.

But it's all going to change, an irresistible force of nature has changed direction.

https://i.postimg.cc/jS7qyjjN/K.jpg

What is that?

acptulsa
10-18-2019, 09:04 PM
What is that?

More buzzwords.

Look up r/K selection. Because clearly people acting decisively without thinking isn't what got us in this mess.

Swordsmyth
10-18-2019, 09:42 PM
What is that?
r/K theory

The best book on the subject:

The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/

Swordsmyth
10-18-2019, 09:44 PM
More buzzwords.

Look up r/K selection. Because clearly people acting decisively without thinking isn't what got us in this mess.
r/K relates to why many people act without thinking.
And acting without thinking is just part of human nature to some degree, you can't change it but you can learn to deal with it.

enhanced_deficit
10-18-2019, 09:51 PM
Can the Right Fight Without Saying White?
...

I knew Gutfeld back in my GOP days, and he’s smarter than that monologue. But the sad fact is, the fear of appearing racist makes dunces of a lot of otherwise clever conservatives.


Is this surprising to anyone considering the political climate in America?

Trump condemns ‘racism, bigotry and white supremacy’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537659)

All Trump supporters should certainly be able to easily understand why Gutfeld would conduct himself like this.


Incidentally, he's one of the more interesting voices on the show Five, a show that incidentally makes sure that there are never all five people of same skin color/gender to give diversity credit where due. When Juan cannot attend for some reason, replacement is always a minority race person. This observation of tuning into that show off and on over past few years.
A powerful example of 'racial/gender diversity is our strength' message delivered years after year consistently. H/T to Foxnews.

eleganz
10-18-2019, 10:05 PM
Can the right also bite with might to rid the mites wearing tights?

pcosmar
10-18-2019, 10:07 PM
I don't get it..

the "white" label crap.. I don't get it.

The STATE labels me as "W". ,,, and I reject their designation.

I am human..Ancestry mostly Japheth,, as far as I know. But Human.

pcosmar
10-18-2019, 10:11 PM
Evolutionary Psychology


More Darwinian Elitism. That explains it.

Swordsmyth
10-18-2019, 10:13 PM
More Darwinian Elitism. That explains it.
Darwin's macro evolution is a hoax but micro-evolution and cultural evolution are quite real.
I didn't choose the title of the book but everything it talks about can be explained in a Creationist worldview without Darwin.

Swordsmyth
10-18-2019, 10:16 PM
I don't get it..

the "white" label crap.. I don't get it.

The STATE labels me as "W". ,,, and I reject their designation.

I am human..Ancestry mostly Japheth,, as far as I know. But Human.
The left labels you white and will end up killing you for it.
We must deal with that no matter how significant you think skin coloration is.
And since ancestors pass culture on to their descendants and related groups tend to hang out with eachother then race/ethnicity/whatever tends to correlate with culture and culture matters immensely.
It is American/European culture that is the target of leftist racism whether they use skin color as a proxy or not.

pcosmar
10-18-2019, 10:17 PM
Darwin's macro evolution is a hoax but micro-evolution and cultural evolution are quite real.
I didn't choose the title of the book but everything it talks about can be explained in a Creationist worldview without Darwin.

I have heard folks twist the scriptures to justify their (believed) Superiority over others.
Early Theological training arguing with Aryan Nations.

pcosmar
10-18-2019, 10:20 PM
The left labels you white and will end up killing you for it.


Wow,,

Do you ever even go outside..

must be hell to live in that much fear.

I have proven to be not that easy to kill.

Swordsmyth
10-18-2019, 10:21 PM
I have heard folks twist the scriptures to justify their (believed) Superiority over others.
Early Theological training arguing with Aryan Nations.
It's not about race, r and K exist within all races and all individuals have the potential for a great degree of either one, r and K also both have some degree of correct place and purpose.

r and K are primarily cultural and r is related to the vices (which have their own correct places and limits) while K is related to the virtues (which have limits too).

Swordsmyth
10-18-2019, 10:22 PM
Wow,,

Do you ever even go outside..

must be hell to live in that much fear.

I have proven to be not that easy to kill.
I go outside all the time, do you ever pull your head out of the sand?
I'm glad for you that you are hard to kill but that won't save you if you remain blind to approaching threats.

pcosmar
10-18-2019, 10:23 PM
It's not about race, r and K exist within all races and all individuals have the potential for a great degree of either one, r and K also both have some degree of correct place and purpose.

r and K are primarily cultural and r is related to the vices (which have their own correct places and limits) while K is related to the virtues (which have limits too).

Pseudoscience Psychobabble speaks.
(everybody listen close)

Swordsmyth
10-18-2019, 10:30 PM
Pseudoscience Psychobabble speaks.
(everybody listen close)
Sorry, I'm not interested in listening to you.

The book is full of actual science and you are full of...................

tfurrh
10-18-2019, 10:47 PM
Can the right also bite with might to rid the mites wearing tights?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-CGICBeJ8W14/TYCd0SsH-jI/AAAAAAAAAp4/_0YCnJeWn-A/hop_on_pop_003.JPG

AngryCanadian
10-19-2019, 12:12 AM
Is this surprising to anyone considering the political climate in America?

Trump condemns ‘racism, bigotry and white supremacy’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537659)

All Trump supporters should certainly be able to easily understand why Gutfeld would conduct himself like this.


Incidentally, he's one of the more interesting voices on the show Five, a show that incidentally makes sure that there are never all five people of same skin color/gender to give diversity credit where due. When Juan cannot attend for some reason, replacement is always a minority race person. This observation of tuning into that show off and on over past few years.
A powerful example of 'racial/gender diversity is our strength' message delivered years after year consistently. H/T to Foxnews.


If White supremacy’ is evil why wont Trump or the media wont condemn black supremacy? not word or naws stories have i seen about black supremacy which that is becoming more then white supremacy.

acptulsa
10-19-2019, 06:59 AM
r/K relates to why many people act without thinking.
And acting without thinking is just part of human nature to some degree, you can't change it but you can learn to deal with it.

Will Rogers came up with the perfect motto for this program of opposition control you're selling:


If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?

Anti Globalist
10-19-2019, 08:03 AM
We possibly could if we can make the left stop talking about race nonstop.

pcosmar
10-19-2019, 10:41 AM
Sorry, I'm not interested in listening to you.

The book is full of actual science and you are full of...................

http://www.victorianweb.org/science/phrenology/intro.html


Phrenology was a faculty psychology, theory of brain and science of character reading, what the nineteenth-century phrenologists called "the only true science of mind." Phrenology was derived from the theories of the idiosyncratic Viennese physician Franz Joseph Gall (1758-1828). The basic tenets of Gall's system were:

1.The brain is the organ of the mind.

2. The mind is composed of multiple distinct, innate faculties.

3. Because they are distinct, each faculty must have a separate seat or "organ" in the brain.

4. The size of an organ, other things being equal, is a measure of its power.

5. The shape of the brain is determined by the development of the various organs.

6. As the skull takes its shape from the brain, the surface of the skull can be read as an accurate index of psychological aptitudes and tendencies.

acptulsa
10-19-2019, 10:46 AM
The book is full of actual science and you are full of...................

Is "actual science" anything like "settled science"? Because the climate change theory is "settled science", and I've seen you equate that to...

tfurrh
10-19-2019, 11:03 AM
Is "actual science" anything like "settled science"? Because the climate change theory is "settled science", and I've seen you equate that to...

Biology has actually moved away from r/K selection theory in the last 20 to 30 years. The theory was never meant to and was never used to explain cultural or social issues. It's been picked up by certain types of people to make a certain type of argument that it was never ever used for by any biologist ever.

I've also said this repeatedly when this stuff gets posted.

CCTelander
10-19-2019, 11:40 AM
Biology has actually moved away from r/K selection theory in the last 20 to 30 years. The theory was never meant to and was never used to explain cultural or social issues. It's been picked up by certain types of people to make a certain type of argument that it was never ever used for by any biologist ever.

I've also said this repeatedly when this stuff gets posted.


Yes, it's being promulgated as something it most certainly is not and was never intended to be by liars like Stefan Molyneux, and picked up by people who are probably well-meaning but unaware of that fact. Now they're aware.

tfurrh
10-19-2019, 12:17 PM
Back when America was great it was very common for couples to be married very young and have lots of kids. Did that make our forefathers substandard....or did it make us great?

Anti Federalist
10-19-2019, 01:31 PM
Back when America was great it was very common for couples to be married very young and have lots of kids. Did that make our forefathers substandard....or did it make us great?

A strong family that raised many children would be a benefit.

They had many children because many died before adulthood.

But there is a difference between breeding like that and breeding in the manner of a rabbit or vole.

Also opens a whole new can of worms about how natural selection is supposed to work if the genetically unfit survive, due to extraordinary modern medical means, to reproduce.

pcosmar
10-19-2019, 01:54 PM
Also opens a whole new can of worms about how natural selection is supposed to work if the genetically unfit survive, due to extraordinary modern medical means, to reproduce.

Sorry AF.. but I reject Darwin in TOTAL.


That is just elitists deciding WHO is "unfit". (anyone but them)

pcosmar
10-19-2019, 02:02 PM
Is "actual science" anything like "settled science"? Because the climate change theory is "settled science", and I've seen you equate that to...

Science or Pseudoscience?

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2011/06/01/apsimg1481_custom-5fdd786e4a1bfbd10ae27c6ab33ced319329a6f3-s800-c85.jpg

tod evans
10-19-2019, 02:25 PM
A strong family that raised many children would be a benefit.

They had many children because many died before adulthood.

But there is a difference between breeding like that and breeding in the manner of a rabbit or vole.

Also opens a whole new can of worms about how natural selection is supposed to work if the genetically unfit survive, due to extraordinary modern medical means, to reproduce.

Society at large didn't pay "single mothers" to breed back then.

Large families were families in the true sense of the word.

Today's so called social programs have changed the dynamic.......For the worse in my opinion.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 02:54 PM
Will Rogers came up with the perfect motto for this program of opposition control you're selling:
A refusal to deal with human nature as it is will not lead to victory for liberty.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 02:56 PM
http://www.victorianweb.org/science/phrenology/intro.html

Which has nothing to do with the book.

Unless you are trying to claim that nothing about the brain relates to people's behavior at all, if that is your position then you are sadly behind the times.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 02:58 PM
Is "actual science" anything like "settled science"? Because the climate change theory is "settled science", and I've seen you equate that to...


Biology has actually moved away from r/K selection theory in the last 20 to 30 years. The theory was never meant to and was never used to explain cultural or social issues. It's been picked up by certain types of people to make a certain type of argument that it was never ever used for by any biologist ever.

I've also said this repeatedly when this stuff gets posted.


Yes, it's being promulgated as something it most certainly is not and was never intended to be by liars like Stefan Molyneux, and picked up by people who are probably well-meaning but unaware of that fact. Now they're aware.
Try reading the book.

r/k is real and is both physical and psychological.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 03:02 PM
Back when America was great it was very common for couples to be married very young and have lots of kids. Did that make our forefathers substandard....or did it make us great?
r within humans has more to do with failing to expend energy properly raising offspring than with having many children and in its modern perverted form has more to do with sex and using abortion or contraceptives to avoid having to raise children at all.

There are also other factors related to r than just children, the approach to resource availability and competition is very important.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 03:02 PM
Sorry AF.. but I reject Darwin in TOTAL.


That is just elitists deciding WHO is "unfit". (anyone but them)
Which has nothing to do with the book.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 03:05 PM
Science or Pseudoscience?

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2011/06/01/apsimg1481_custom-5fdd786e4a1bfbd10ae27c6ab33ced319329a6f3-s800-c85.jpg
r/K has more to do with how you were raised than what genes you have, everyone has the potential to go either direction.
Many of the "fittest" (by Darwin's standard) lean r because life was always easy for them and they never had to work hard to get what they want.

pcosmar
10-19-2019, 03:17 PM
A refusal to deal with human nature as it is will not lead to victory for liberty.

Human Nature is to follow Strong Man leaders.(since Nimrod). Human Nature has been so corrupted as to produce the world we live in.

Social Controllers have long tried to Mold Human Nature.

I understand it quite well.. I also understand the nature of the Creator.

I don't buy the humanist bullshit.

tfurrh
10-19-2019, 03:18 PM
r within humans has more to do with failing to expend energy properly raising offspring than with having many children and in its modern perverted form has more to do with sex and using abortion or contraceptives to avoid having to raise children at all.

There are also other factors related to r than just children, the approach to resource availability and competition is very important.

I'm sorry. I guess I was approaching the subject within its context.

AF has a great point about genetics.

tod has a great point about cultural blowback from gov't overstepping its role.

I think the point you make also has an explanation....but I think it's more of a political/sociological explanation than a biological one.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 03:25 PM
I'm sorry. I guess I was approaching the subject within its context.

AF has a great point about genetics.

tod has a great point about cultural blowback from gov't overstepping its role.

I think the point you make also has an explanation....but I think it's more of a political/sociological explanation than a biological one.
It's psychological and therefore affects and is affected by the brain and its development as well as choices mad by the mind using free will.
And free will choices also affect the brain and its development.
I always emphasize culture because culture is the most important part.

pcosmar
10-19-2019, 03:26 PM
We possibly could if we can make the left stop talking about race nonstop.

I wish intelligent people would drop this nonsense..

The entire concept of multiple races is a fabricated theory,, that unfortunately has been widely adopted.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 03:27 PM
Human Nature is to follow Strong Man leaders.(since Nimrod). Human Nature has been so corrupted as to produce the world we live in.

Social Controllers have long tried to Mold Human Nature.

I understand it quite well.. I also understand the nature of the Creator.

I don't buy the humanist bull$#@!.
If you want as much liberty as possible you must learn about human nature and deal with it because you will not be able to change it significantly and to the extent you can change it you must deal with it as it is to do so.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 03:28 PM
I wish intelligent people would drop this nonsense..

The entire concept of multiple races is a fabricated theory,, that unfortunately has been widely adopted.
It's a simple minded attempt to deal with different cultures which absolutely exist.

pcosmar
10-19-2019, 03:29 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/16/happens-psychiatric-abuse-begins-affect-politics/

also a good read,

http://brucelevine.net/10-of-the-worst-abuses-of-the-psychiatric-and-psychological-professions-in-american-history-2/

pcosmar
10-19-2019, 03:35 PM
It's a simple minded attempt to deal with different cultures which absolutely exist.

Different Cultures exist within this country..

I Love Key West,,lived there for several years.. It has a Culture of it's own.

As do several other unique places aroung the country...

but you will never get "Fantasy Fest" in Sault Ste. Marie.

nor an Ice fishing championship in the Gulf states..

pcosmar
10-19-2019, 03:38 PM
If you want as much liberty as possible you must learn about human nature and deal with it because you will not be able to change it significantly and to the extent you can change it you must deal with it as it is to do so.

YOU are full of $hit.. all day.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 03:50 PM
Different Cultures exist within this country..

I Love Key West,,lived there for several years.. It has a Culture of it's own.

As do several other unique places aroung the country...

but you will never get "Fantasy Fest" in Sault Ste. Marie.

nor an Ice fishing championship in the Gulf states..
That's nice but irrelevant, it is anti-liberty cultures that are a problem and r cultures are anti-liberty.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 03:52 PM
YOU are full of $hit.. all day.

A stunning refutation of what I said, you have me convinced, we can just will a change in human nature and the world will be filled with sunshine, bunnies, unicorns and anarchists with a deep and abiding love of liberty.:sarcasm:

CCTelander
10-19-2019, 03:55 PM
Try reading the book.

r/k is real and is both physical and psychological.


I never said it wan't real, only that it was being misapplied. Deceitfully by some, inadvertently by others.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 03:57 PM
I never said it wan't real, only that it was being misapplied. Deceitfully by some, inadvertently by others.
Since you haven't read the book your opinion is not relevant.

Mach
10-19-2019, 04:17 PM
Human Nature is to follow Strong Man leaders.(since Nimrod). Human Nature has been so corrupted as to produce the world we live in.

Social Controllers have long tried to Mold Human Nature.

I understand it quite well.. I also understand the nature of the Creator.

I don't buy the humanist bullshit.

You understand the nature of God?

The Social Controllers do not just try, they accomplish, and as long as you ignore reality they will continue to succeed.

pcosmar
10-19-2019, 05:39 PM
You understand the nature of God?

Yes,, My Father.
Jesus Christ was the embodiment of Him here on earth,, showed His ways.. Spoke His Words.


The Social Controllers do not just try, they accomplish, and as long as you ignore reality they will continue to succeed.

There are always those seeking Control. has ever been.. takes several forms.
They should be ignored.

Swordsmyth
10-19-2019, 05:43 PM
Yes,, My Father.
Jesus Christ was the embodiment of Him here on earth,, showed His ways.. Spoke His Words.



There are always those seeking Control. has ever been.. takes several forms.
They should be ignored.
They love it when people ignore them, they win easily that way.

Anti Federalist
10-19-2019, 06:29 PM
Sorry AF.. but I reject Darwin in TOTAL.

That is just elitists deciding WHO is "unfit". (anyone but them)

I do understand and I have this argument with Mrs. AF all the time...I have my issues with Darwinism myself, but I do maintain that there are distinct and obvious differences between ethnicities of people and that some of those differences are generally unfavorable.

ETA - Or at least large enough that to force people to assimilate with each other causes friction, strife and can only be maintained by a heavy handed police state, which is needed to enforce the diversity, which is of course, what we have.

You made a good point how that the UP of Michigan would not be a likely spot for a Key West FantasyFest, nor would Key West be a good spot for an ice fishing tourney.

Having both ice fished and lived in the Keys I understand as well as you do the differences.

My problem is that I have decided I prefer ice fishing, but the cultural Marxists have decided that not only must I embrace FantasyFest, but that ice fishing is now bigoted, criminal, and to be stamped out.

tfurrh
10-19-2019, 06:51 PM
Sorry AF.. but I reject Darwin in TOTAL.


That is just elitists deciding WHO is "unfit". (anyone but them)


I do understand and I have this argument with Mrs. AF all the time...I have my issues with Darwinism myself, but I do maintain that there are distinct and obvious differences between ethnicities of people and that some of those differences are generally unfavorable.

I also get where you're coming from Pcosmar. I'm a full fledged, 6 day, young earth creationist and Darwin mostly makes me go blah. But I do think organisms can evolve within a taxonomic family.

Genesis 30:37–43 tells of a breeding program Jacob used on Laban's flock of goats. The outcome was spotted or speckled goats to increase his own flock.

This is an example of artificial selection. Apart from livestock another example would be dog breeds. They're all the same species, but have been bred to have different traits/temperaments. When this happens by itself, it's called natural selection. All it does is change the genetic makeup of a population.

I would agree with both of you. Pcosmar, yes there is one race. AF, yes there are distinct and obvious differences in varying populations.

Origanalist
10-19-2019, 07:31 PM
What if I fight while screaming white?

Origanalist
10-19-2019, 07:33 PM
Why is it ok to reference POC but not whites?

pcosmar
10-19-2019, 08:59 PM
I would agree with both of you. Pcosmar, yes there is one race. AF, yes there are distinct and obvious differences in varying populations.

Breeding Animals.. Herding and Culling and consuming,,,,is one thing.

Humans have families,, Families become clans, clans become tribes..etc.,,, people travel and marry (or don't) ...

They do not become a different race because they moved and got a tan. Or because the marry someone of another tribe.

Eugenics is the endorsement of Human Farming.. I will remain feral.

tfurrh
10-19-2019, 09:20 PM
Breeding Animals.. Herding and Culling and consuming,,,,is one thing.

Humans have families,, Families become clans, clans become tribes..etc.,,, people travel and marry (or don't) ...

They do not become a different race because they moved and got a tan. Or because the marry someone of another tribe.

Eugenics is the endorsement of Human Farming.. I will remain feral.

Dogs, cows, goats or humans, it's all just the order and amount of adenine thymine guanine and cytosine.

When populations migrate, or are reduced, or in-breed, or mix, they don't become a different race correct. However, their genetic composition/allele frequency does become different. This is all over the place. Think Amish, think European royalty, think diseases that certain ethnicities are at a much higher risk for.

And just as an aside, that is THE reason for sexual reproduction in living organisms. To vary the genetic makeup of a population thus increasing the population's likelihood of survival.

And I'm with you on eugenics.

phill4paul
10-19-2019, 09:43 PM
Ethnicity, skin color, has nothing to do with anything. I know blacks more conservative than any lily-white progressive. And I'll side with them every. single. time. Just went to great wedding. The missus's niece, white with Armenian flavor, married a black man. Frikken awesome dude and they pair well together. The mother and father of the bride are progressives. We have had lively and civil discussions together, but still the missus warned me off talking politics. I had no problem with that. Turns out the only political bullshit at the wedding came from a white Yankee cousin. Who just HAD to proselytize about diversity. And I couldn't agree more when the mother of the groom told her "Child we ain't here for that. We're here for Elyse and Tyler, so just let that go tonight."

But, in the mix, we were ALL Americans. Born and bred. I'm not a racist.

I am a policalist.

And socialist migration just doesn't work for me. And it won't work for you either. "You" being anyone on these forums.

It's not about race. It's about politics.

pcosmar
10-20-2019, 09:32 AM
It's not about race. It's about politics.

Exactly.. And all the division is for control purposes..

All ethnics have a common enemy..

if they ever stop fighting each other and work together,,,,

tod evans
10-20-2019, 10:13 AM
All ethnics have a common enemy..


Yup.

However if someone or an ethnic group of someones infringes on my life or liberty they're more easily dealt with than the nameless faceless bureaucracy...

Like most of us who try and use our brain I only hold the star bellied sneetches who are infringing on me and mine accountable not all the others.

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