Trump indulged his "inner Rand Paul" with troop pullback....

[phill4paul]

:D:D:D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ku354mWh_8

[phill4paul]

What you Never-Trumpers and Orangeman Bad! sycophants, NEED to be doing is going on social media and MSM comments and PRAISING the POTUS.

Or, you can just go eat a bag of dicks, you cockless, spineless, war-monging slip hounds.

[specsaregood]

Maria, "well we haven't lost that many Americans, so whats wrong with that?"

fuckin horrible human

[Anti Globalist]

Maria, "well we haven't lost that many Americans, so whats wrong with that?"

$#@!in horrible human
Comments like that should result in her getting fired.

[Slave Mentality]

It's been so disapointing to hear all the war cries from people with obvious political and financial interests. Hearing women promoting war is even worse. The brainwashing is constant.

[Swordsmyth]

What you Never-Trumpers and Orangeman Bad! sycophants, NEED to be doing is going on social media and MSM comments and PRAISING the POTUS.

Or, you can just go eat a bag of dicks, you cockless, spineless, war-monging slip hounds.
The naysayers' goal is to discourage this turn of policy, they expose themselves as the enemy among us, the worst are the ones that keep hand-wringing over the Kurds.
It's also stupid when they keep pointing out that the deepstate has so far frustrated Trump's attempts to follow through as "proof" he doesn't mean it, it's like the schoolyard bully hitting the kid with his own hands and chanting "stop hitting yourself" over and over.

[shakey1]

Listening to the last press conference, I thought the same thing... echoing the good doctor’s sentiments on the issue... it needed to be said.

[shakey1]

It's been so disapointing to hear all the war cries from people with obvious political and financial interests. Hearing women promoting war is even worse. The brainwashing is constant.

Yeah, damn near unanimous... incredible. :(

[eleganz]

What you Never-Trumpers and Orangeman Bad! sycophants, NEED to be doing is going on social media and MSM comments and PRAISING the POTUS.

Or, you can just go eat a bag of dicks, you cockless, spineless, war-monging slip hounds.


Sums up my thoughts for the last couple years.

[Anti Globalist]

Indulging his inner Rand Paul is nice, but it would be even greater if Trump indulged his inner Ron Paul. That would be quite a legendary moment.

[nobody's_hero]

Indulging his inner Rand Paul is nice, but it would be even greater if Trump indulged his inner Ron Paul. That would be quite a legendary moment.

True. It's progress though. We're at least facing the right direction. Just need to start marching troops home and we're good.

[enhanced_deficit]

Any news of troops pull back and reducing global interventions is good news. BTW anyone knows how many troops were pulled back?

Also, there are conflicting reports that on the surface could suggest 'bi-polar inner self' but should avoid jumping to such conclusions until fog clears.


Related

MAGA indulged in his "inner Sheldon Adelson" and sent 14,000 more troops to Mideast from May 2019 to Oct 2019 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?540247-Standing-with-allies-US-sending-thousands-of-more-troops-to-mideast-total-to-reach-14-000&)

[Zippyjuan]

True. It's progress though. We're at least facing the right direction. Just need to start marching troops home and we're good.

14,000 more US troops sent to the Middle East since May with another 1,800 slated to go to Saudi Arabia.

[Zippyjuan]

Rand voted yet again to oppose Trump's emergency declaration to take money from other departments to pay for his wall: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/14D78/production/_109286358_optimised-brexit_vote_analysis-nc.png


Thursday's vote was 53-36 to reject the emergency declaration, well short of the two-thirds majority necessary to override a veto in the Senate. Ten Republicans sided with 43 Democrats, including GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Roy Blunt of Missouri, Mike Lee of Utah, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Rand Paul of Kentucky, Rob Portman of Ohio, Mitt Romney of Utah, Marco Rubio of Florida, Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Roger Wicker of Mississippi.

[acptulsa]

What you Never-Trumpers and Orangeman Bad! sycophants, NEED to be doing is going on social media and MSM comments and PRAISING the POTUS.

Or, you can just go eat a bag of dicks, you cockless, spineless, war-monging slip hounds.

Because he's reassigning fifty troops to a different place, or because the Wall Street Murdoch tried and failed to insult him?

Who are the sycophants really?

[XNavyNuke]

True. It's progress though. We're at least facing the right direction. Just need to start marching troops home and we're good.

Orange Man Bad
U.S. active-duty military presence overseas is at its smallest in decades
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/22/u-s-active-duty-military-presence-overseas-is-at-its-smallest-in-decades/

The number of active-duty U.S. military troops stationed overseas has dipped below 200,000 for the first time in at least 60 years.

Total US Troop deployment overseas -
September 2017: 215,249
September 2018: 172,797
June 2019 (latest): 177,104

From: https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/appj/dwp/dwp_reports.jsp

XNN

[acptulsa]

Orange Man Bad
U.S. active-duty military presence overseas is at its smallest in decades
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/22/u-s-active-duty-military-presence-overseas-is-at-its-smallest-in-decades/


Total US Troop deployment overseas -
September 2017: 215,249
September 2018: 172,797
June 2019 (latest): 177,104

From: https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/appj/dwp/dwp_reports.jsp

XNN

From that link:


For the Military and Civilian Personnel by Service/Agency by State/Country Reports, the DMDC data only reflects personnel who are permanently assigned for duty at these locations. Starting in December 2017, the table no longer includes personnel on temporary duty, or deployed in support of contingency operations.

So, this number has been cooked in just the same way as the unemployment numbers.

*yawn*

[Swordsmyth]

From that link:



So, this number has been cooked in just the same way as the unemployment numbers.

*yawn*
The information may not be perfect but the numbers are still going down and Trump's new direction will bring them down much further.

[acptulsa]

the numbers are still going down

Liar.

[TheCount]

The information may not be perfect but the numbers are still going down and Trump's new direction will bring them down much further.

Posting something on Free Republic doesn't make it real.

[CCTelander]

What you Never-Trumpers and Orangeman Bad! sycophants, NEED to be doing is going on social media and MSM comments and PRAISING the POTUS.

Or, you can just go eat a bag of dicks, you cockless, spineless, war-monging slip hounds.


Been reading Dale Carnegie, have you?

[Swordsmyth]

Conservative veterans are preparing to visit Washington to laud President Trump’s withdrawal of troops from northern Syria and to urge Republicans to back his intention to pull out of Afghanistan and other countries in the Middle East (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/conservative-veterans-will-fan-out-in-washington-to-defend-trump-syria-strategy)

[phill4paul]

Been reading Dale Carnegie, have you?

That whole 'trying to influence idiots' shit? Yeah, gave that up after 2012.

[tod evans]

U.S. active-duty military presence overseas is at its smallest in decades

XNN

Damn good start!

[RJB]

I am not on the Trump train, but I will walk beside it when it heads in the correct direction like it is doing now.

The fact that every Neocons is against this tells me he is heading in the correct decision. Hell, he's even forcing the sheep skin wolves like Michael Savage to show his hand.

When the media has to pretend explosions in Kentucky are Kurds getting murdered in Syria, some of you should put aside the Orange Man Bad mantra aside, even for a few minutes.

If your rabbit hole is so deep that the Kentucky/Syria news story hasn't shaken you to wonder what's up, well...

[acptulsa]

If your rabbit hole is so deep that the Kentucky/Syria news story hasn't shaken you to wonder what's up, well...

Never mind our rabbit holes. We left them long ago. If that has you shaken at long last, welcome out of your rabbit hole.

A string of Lesser Evils have gotten us in this mess. Trump is just another one.

[TheTexan]

Trump / Paul 2020

#KeepAmericaGreat

[Swordsmyth]

Never mind our rabbit holes. We left them long ago. If that has you shaken at long last, welcome out of your rabbit hole.

A string of Lesser Evils have gotten us in this mess. Trump is just another one.
You can keep shouting that in the face of all the evidence to the contrary but you will find less and less people even listening to you.

[acptulsa]

You can keep shouting that in the face of all the evidence to the contrary but you will find less and less people even listening to you.

Neither zerohedge nor tweets nor the MSM's pretend hostility constitutes evidence.

[Swordsmyth]

Neither zerohedge nor tweets nor the MSM's pretend hostility constitutes evidence.

:seenoevil:

[RJB]

Never mind our rabbit holes. We left them long ago. If that has you shaken at long last, welcome out of your rabbit hole.

A string of Lesser Evils have gotten us in this mess. Trump is just another one.

When has the media ever faked an event for the good of this country?

[RJB]

Neither zerohedge nor tweets nor the MSM's pretend hostility constitutes evidence.

BTW. I know there is a difference between the suspicion that you, Gunny freedom and others have for Trump in general vs people like Zippy, the count, and Rev3. I usually am cynical like you, so I avoid attacking you.


I have never seen the establishment attack anyone like they have Trump, especially with this issue. For now I am with him on this issue. Withdrawing the troops was one of my main attractions to Ron Paul in 2008.

However if November 2020 rolls around, and I am still hearing that any day Trump will pull the troops out of Syria, I will be on your side of this.

But for now, this is the closest thing I have seen come out of Washington to hang any hope on. I gotta go with that for now.

[Origanalist]

BTW. I know there is a difference between the suspicion that you, Gunny freedom and others have for Trump in general vs people like Zippy, the count, and Rev3. I usually am cynical like you, so I avoid attacking you.


I have never seen the establishment attack anyone like they have Trump, especially with this issue. For now I am with him on this issue. Withdrawing the troops was one of my main attractions to Ron Paul in 2008.

However if November 2020 rolls around, and I am still hearing that any day Trump will pull the troops out of Syria, I will be on your side of this.

But for now, this is the closest thing I have seen come out of Washington to hang any hope on. I gotta go with that for now.

If nothing else, the tone from the White House has changed. That in itself is cause for some celebration, we shall see where it leads.

I know it's long, but it's worth hearing the whole thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1685&v=Qz4AALLozTE

[vita3]

Nice first steps towards policy change in ME...miles to go..but a remarkable week.

[Swordsmyth]

U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper said on Friday that no U.S. troops will take part in enforcing the so-called safe zone in northern Syria and the United States "is continuing our deliberate withdrawal from northeastern Syria."Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan earlier on Friday said Turkey will set up a dozen observation posts across northeast Syria, insisting that a planned "safe zone" will extend much further than U.S. officials said was covered under a fragile ceasefire deal.
The truce, announced by U.S. Vice President Mike Pence after talks in Ankara with Erdogan, sets out a five-day pause to let the Kurdish-led SDF militia pull out of the Turkish "safe zone."

"No U.S. ground forces will participate in the enforcement of the safe zone, however we will remain in communication with both Turkey and the SDF," Esper told reporters, referring to the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF).

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/u-ground-troops-not-enforce-175350635.html

[Swordsmyth]

Defense Secretary Mark Esper says that under the current plan all U.S. troops leaving Syria will go to western Iraq and the military will continue to conduct operations against the Islamic State group to prevent its resurgence.

His comments were the first to specifically lay out where American troops will go as they leave Syria and what the counter-IS fight could look like. Esper said he has spoken to his Iraqi counterpart about the plan to shift the more than 700 troops leaving Syria into western Iraq.

As Esper left Washington on Saturday, U.S. troops were continuing to pull out of northern Syria after Turkey's invasion into the border region.

He added that the U.S. withdrawal will be deliberate and safe, and will take "weeks not days."
According to a U.S. official on Saturday, about a couple of hundred troops have left Syria so far. The U.S. forces have been largely consolidated in one location in the west and a few locations in the east.

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/defense-chief-us-troops-leaving-024248227.html

[acptulsa]

:seenoevil:

Nice self portrait.

So let me see if I have your position right:

MSM says war is peace. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says poverty is prosperity. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says racism is tolerance. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says Clinton is innocent. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says Lindsay Graham wants people in the middle east to be safe and happy and Rand Paul doesn't. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM shows us a video. MSM doctored it and lied about what it is to manipulate us.

MSM says it hates Trump. MSM couldn't possibly be lying to manipulate us.

That about it?

[juleswin]

Nice self portrait.

So let me see if I have your position right:

MSM says war is peace. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says poverty is prosperity. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says racism is tolerance. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says Clinton is innocent. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says Lindsay Graham wants people in the middle east to be safe and happy and Rand Paul doesn't. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM shows us a video. MSM doctored it and lied about what it is to manipulate us.

MSM says it hates Trump. MSM couldn't possibly be lying to manipulate us.

That about it?

No way, if someone was playing 3D chess, it's definitely Trump playing it and not the MSM. I doubt the MSM know how to play any kind of chess, no deception at all expect for the ones right in our faces :rolleyes:

[nobody's_hero]

I'm gonna drop this here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7XZmugtLv4

[devil21]

Nice self portrait.

So let me see if I have your position right:

MSM says war is peace. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says poverty is prosperity. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says racism is tolerance. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says Clinton is innocent. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says Lindsay Graham wants people in the middle east to be safe and happy and Rand Paul doesn't. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM shows us a video. MSM doctored it and lied about what it is to manipulate us.

MSM says it hates Trump. MSM couldn't possibly be lying to manipulate us.

That about it?

That about sums it up, I think. Everything from the media is bullshit *except* the Trump hating part. That part is real. For some reason, which no one can ever really explain, that part is different.


Also, everyone that objects to the ad hominem, profane and generally low-brow and unnecessary invective like in OP's post should report it. There's no need for that junk here.

[Swordsmyth]

Nice self portrait.

So let me see if I have your position right:

MSM says war is peace. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says poverty is prosperity. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says racism is tolerance. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says Clinton is innocent. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM says Lindsay Graham wants people in the middle east to be safe and happy and Rand Paul doesn't. MSM is lying to manipulate us.

MSM shows us a video. MSM doctored it and lied about what it is to manipulate us.

MSM says it hates Trump. MSM couldn't possibly be lying to manipulate us.

That about it?
It's not about the MSM, it's about Trump's actions.

You and the other TDS victims actively ignore the truth.

[phill4paul]

Also, everyone that objects to the ad hominem, profane and generally low-brow and unnecessary invective like in OP's post should report it. There's no need for that junk here.

And there is no need for your constant negative posting about a positive development. All you do is bitch, bitch, bitch about anything Trump.
Even something that is positive. So go ahead and report away, you special little snowflake.

[acptulsa]

It's not about the MSM, it's about Trump's actions.

You and the other TDS victims actively ignore the truth.

What's so great about what he does? Not so much, according to what you do?

You spend so much time making excuses for your manly, fearless Alpha and explaining how busy he is avoiding invisible assassination attempts (which the world's busiest tweeter, who attention whores sixteen hours a day, never even mentions), one wonders where you find the time to accuse everyone else of being deranged.


So go ahead and report away, you special little snowflake.

If you're going to turn into nothing but an insult machine, you could at least dream up insults that actually apply to the person you're addressing. devil21 is many things, but a snowflake is not one of them.

Accusing everyone who doesn't march in lockstep with him of being a Clinton living, social justice warrioring Democratic superdelegate is Swordshyll's schtick. Come up with your own.

He has an excuse for lobbing prepackaged insults that completely fail to describe the insultee. He's paid by the post. If he slows down to hand craft his posts, he falls below minimum wage. What's your excuse?

[devil21]

And there is no need for your constant negative posting about a positive development. All you do is bitch, bitch, bitch about anything Trump.
Even something that is positive. So go ahead and report away, you special little snowflake.

That's politics.

Invective, profanity, threats and general devolution of forum etiquette is entirely different, is unnecessary and is a violation of forum site mission and terms. Notice UWDude is gone? Can't imagine why :confused:





If you're going to turn into nothing but an insult machine, you could at least dream up insults that actually apply to the person you're addressing. devil21 is many things, but a snowflake is not one of them.


LOL thanks, yeah I have my faults but the notion of me, of all people, being any kind of snowflake is downright funny. Most of the Trumpkin warriors around here would melt in situations that I sometimes find myself in due to my principles. Like traveling in my car in a major city without license plates....

[Swordsmyth]

And there is no need for your constant negative posting about a positive development. All you do is bitch, bitch, bitch about anything Trump.
Even something that is positive. So go ahead and report away, you special little snowflake.
Watch out, the troll brigade will target you for banning, they can get away with anything but if you use a few insults they will get you banned.

[Swordsmyth]

What's so great about what he does? Not so much, according to what you do?

You spend so much time making excuses for your manly, fearless Alpha and explaining how busy he is avoiding invisible assassination attempts (which the world's busiest tweeter, who attention whores sixteen hours a day, never even mentions), one wonders where you find the time to accuse everyone else of being deranged.



If you're going to turn into nothing but an insult machine, you could at least dream up insults that actually apply to the person you're addressing. devil21 is many things, but a snowflake is not one of them.

Accusing everyone who doesn't march in lockstep with him of being a Clinton living, social justice warrioring Democratic superdelegate is Swordshyll's schtick. Come up with your own.

He has an excuse for lobbing prepackaged insults that completely fail to describe the insultee. He's paid by the post. If he slows down to hand craft his posts, he falls below minimum wage. What's your excuse?

Flaunting your hypocrisy again?

Are you really that immune from discipline around here?

[CCTelander]

Watch out, the troll brigade will target you for banning, they can get away with anything but if you use a few insults they will get you banned.


Flaunting your hypocrisy again?

Are you really that immune from discipline around here?


That you can post such utter and complete bullshit, apparently with a straight face, is truly remarkable.

[CCTelander]

That's politics.

Invective, profanity, threats and general devolution of forum etiquette is entirely different, is unnecessary and is a violation of forum site mission and terms. Notice UWDude is gone? Can't imagine why :confused:




LOL thanks, yeah I have my faults but the notion of me, of all people, being any kind of snowflake is downright funny. Most of the Trumpkin warriors around here would melt in situations that I sometimes find myself in due to my principles. Like traveling in my car in a major city without license plates....


Hey man, I just wanted to second acptulsa's assessment. I may not always agree with you but one thing you most certainly are NOT is any kind of "snowflake."

[Swordsmyth]

That you can post such utter and complete bull$#@!, apparently with a straight face, is truly remarkable.

Maybe you hypocrites are just blind and can't even see your own hypocrisy, either that or you have unlimited gall.

The guy who followed me around the forum posting sexual insults (who you ganged up with) never got a temp ban, he just left on his own after receiving some minor discipline long after his behavior started.

The rest of you run around hurling insults right and left and nothing ever happens to you but let anyone copy you or even fight back and they get disciplined.

[Swordsmyth]

Hey man, I just wanted to second acptulsa's assessment. I may not always agree with you but one thing you most certainly are NOT is any kind of "snowflake."
The snowflake club agrees that none of them are snowflakes.

You guys and others around here flip out if anyone dares to disagree with you.

[CCTelander]

What's so great about what he does? Not so much, according to what you do?

You spend so much time making excuses for your manly, fearless Alpha and explaining how busy he is avoiding invisible assassination attempts (which the world's busiest tweeter, who attention whores sixteen hours a day, never even mentions), one wonders where you find the time to accuse everyone else of being deranged.



If you're going to turn into nothing but an insult machine, you could at least dream up insults that actually apply to the person you're addressing. devil21 is many things, but a snowflake is not one of them.

Accusing everyone who doesn't march in lockstep with him of being a Clinton living, social justice warrioring Democratic superdelegate is Swordshyll's schtick. Come up with your own.

He has an excuse for lobbing prepackaged insults that completely fail to describe the insultee. He's paid by the post. If he slows down to hand craft his posts, he falls below minimum wage. What's your excuse?


Maybe just having a bad day and channelling his inner Trump? Who knows?

[CCTelander]

Maybe you hypocrites are just blind and can't even see your own hypocrisy, either that or you have unlimited gall.

The guy who followed me around the forum posting sexual insults (who you ganged up with) never got a temp ban, he just left on his own after receiving some minor discipline long after his behavior started.

The rest of you run around hurling insults right and left and nothing ever happens to you but let anyone copy you or even fight back and they get disciplined.


Playing the victim yet again? Doesn't that get old after a while?

[CCTelander]

The snowflake club agrees that none of them are snowflakes.

You guys and others around here flip out if anyone dares to disagree with you.


Projection. :rolleyes:

[Swordsmyth]

Playing the victim yet again? Doesn't that get old after a while?
That's what every bully says when called out.

[phill4paul]

Watch out, the troll brigade will target you for banning, they can get away with anything but if you use a few insults they will get you banned.

Really don't give a fuck anymore. Libertarian purists are as bad as progressives. Which is why they have such an astounding representation with the likes of Gary Johnson and like to strip to thongs at their conventions. Winning movement right there.
Once upon a time this forum had many Constitutional conservatives. Now, it's mostly libertarian/anarchist that do nothing but bitch, advocate for open borders, and hate on the Constitution and conservatism.
Fuck 'em.
They'll keep bleating about the N.A.P. and this elusive libertarian utopia which will NEVER materialize. They are incapable of seeing the Bolshevik's in their living room that would as soon exterminate and subjugate them as they would anyone else that doesn't march in lock-step to their R3vilution.
So fuck it. I'm about tired of this place anyway. Let them bleat until there is no one else to bleat to except themselves. And then they will start bleating at each other.
It's the libertarian way.

[Swordsmyth]

Projection. :rolleyes:

You are projecting about projection, that's fascinating.

[Ender]

Really don't give a $#@! anymore. Libertarian purists are as bad as progressives. Which is why they have such an astounding representation with the likes of Gary Johnson and like to strip to thongs at their conventions. Winning movement right there.
Once upon a time this forum had many Constitutional conservatives. Now, it's mostly libertarian/anarchist that do nothing but bitch, advocate for open borders, and hate on the Constitution and conservatism.
$#@! 'em.
They'll keep bleating about the N.A.P. and this elusive libertarian utopia which will NEVER materialize. They are incapable of seeing the Bolshevik's in their living room that would as soon exterminate and subjugate them as they would anyone else that doesn't march in lock-step to their R3vilution.
So $#@! it. I'm about tired of this place anyway. Let them bleat until there is no one else to bleat to except themselves. And then they will start bleating at each other.
It's the libertarian way.

WTF?

That's the biggest bunch of shit I've ever read from you & you've always been one of my fav members.

The name-calling/insults/bleating started with Trump-supporters- anyone who didn't agree was called all kinds of names & insulted to the moon & back. I was called everything in the book for questioning Trump's campaign desire to have all American Muslims on a register as unconstitutional.

Trying to have a decent dialog with any Trump-supporter was virtually impossible. I didn't care if someone disagreed with me- and still don't- and having a good conversation about different thoughts & POV can be is very positive. Now anyone who stands for true conservatism is called an anarchist (in the bad sense- anarchy is actually good & generally misunderstood) and/or "purist". And that's hardly the worst things people are called for questioning the Trump status-quo.

Cracks me up that people still call zippy a shill when he never calls names or throws out personal insults- yet some of the people I like the best now stand up for some of the biggest insulters on the forum.

And, if "purist" means standing by the principles I learned as a kid from Ron Paul, then I guess I qualify.

[Swordsmyth]

WTF?

That's the biggest bunch of $#@! I've ever read from you & you've always been one of my fav members.

The name-calling/insults/bleating started with Trump-supporters- anyone who didn't agree was called all kinds of names & insulted to the moon & back. I was called everything in the book for questioning Trump's campaign desire to have all American Muslims on a register as unconstitutional.

Trying to have a decent dialog with any Trump-supporter was virtually impossible. I didn't care if someone disagreed with me- and still don't- and having a good conversation about different thoughts & POV can be is very positive. Now anyone who stands for true conservatism is called an anarchist (in the bad sense- anarchy is actually good & generally misunderstood) and/or "purist". And that's hardly the worst things people are called for questioning the Trump status-quo.

Cracks me up that people still call zippy a shill when he never calls names or throws out personal insults- yet some of the people I like the best now stand up for some of the biggest insulters on the forum.

And, if "purist" means standing by the principles I learned as a kid from Ron Paul, then I guess I qualify.
Not only do you ignore the insults and incivility hurled by one side but you put politeness ahead of truthfulness and liberty.

It reminds me of Romney.

[Ender]

Not only do you ignore the insults and incivility hurled by one side but you put politeness ahead of truthfulness and liberty.

It reminds me of Romney.

Just proved my point.

[phill4paul]

WTF?

That's the biggest bunch of shit I've ever read from you & you've always been one of my fav members.

The name-calling/insults/bleating started with Trump-supporters- anyone who didn't agree was called all kinds of names & insulted to the moon & back. I was called everything in the book for questioning Trump's campaign desire to have all American Muslims on a register as unconstitutional.

Trying to have a decent dialog with any Trump-supporter was virtually impossible. I didn't care if someone disagreed with me- and still don't- and having a good conversation about different thoughts & POV can be is very positive. Now anyone who stands for true conservatism is called an anarchist (in the bad sense- anarchy is actually good & generally misunderstood) and/or "purist". And that's hardly the worst things people are called for questioning the Trump status-quo.

Cracks me up that people still call zippy a shill when he never calls names or throws out personal insults- yet some of the people I like the best now stand up for some of the biggest insulters on the forum.

And, if "purist" means standing by the principles I learned as a kid from Ron Paul, then I guess I qualify.

Guess I'm not a 'fav' anymore. Oh, well.

Ron Paul himself, and Rand, BOTH believe in encouraging Trump in non-interventionism. Both have praised him for his latest moves.

Yet, on these forums, libertarian purists can't get a grip.

Negativity, negativity, negativity. ANYTHING Trump.

They want only to divide, just like the progressives.

So here we are, can't even be happy about POSITIVE transformations. Gotta bitch, bitch, bitch. Because anti-Trump is COOL, man. Just ask any progressive.

If the libertarian/anarchists want to align with progressives then they need to just go do it. Because they DON'T align with Constitutional conservatives.

Open borders ? Hurrah! Abortion? We believe in individual choice! The Constitution? An archaic piece of paper that doesn't matter anyway! Just throw it in the bin and start a new utopia based on individual want and desire.

No. Fuck a bunch of libertarian/anarchist dipshits.

Keep going down this forum path until you are an Army of one. The one that is the MOST pure. SMDH.

[ATruepatriot]

Really don't give a $#@! anymore. Libertarian purists are as bad as progressives. Which is why they have such an astounding representation with the likes of Gary Johnson and like to strip to thongs at their conventions. Winning movement right there.
Once upon a time this forum had many Constitutional conservatives. Now, it's mostly libertarian/anarchist that do nothing but bitch, advocate for open borders, and hate on the Constitution and conservatism.
$#@! 'em.
They'll keep bleating about the N.A.P. and this elusive libertarian utopia which will NEVER materialize. They are incapable of seeing the Bolshevik's in their living room that would as soon exterminate and subjugate them as they would anyone else that doesn't march in lock-step to their R3vilution.
So $#@! it. I'm about tired of this place anyway. Let them bleat until there is no one else to bleat to except themselves. And then they will start bleating at each other.
It's the libertarian way.

Been watching this come about for about 10 years now. Once again... REALITY has to come into play or you are just living in a bubble of irrational illogical fantasy with no vision or true perspective of cause and effect. Everyone getting a trophy for standing on principle is still not going to win you the game ball...

[acptulsa]

Because they DON'T align with Constitutional conservatives.

Constitutional conservatives?

Are you saying Trump aligns with constitutional conservatives?

When? How many days a month?

[Swordsmyth]

Constitutional conservatives?

Are you saying Trump aligns with constitutional conservatives?

When? How many days a month?
More than any other POTUS since Coolidge.
If he doesn't get support for it he won't keep moving our direction and no other politician will think it's a good idea either.

[ATruepatriot]

Constitutional conservatives?

Are you saying Trump aligns with constitutional conservatives?

When? How many days a month?

You listen to what you are being fed and eat it up... Actions are stronger than words.

[ATruepatriot]

Constitutional conservatives?

Are you saying Trump aligns with constitutional conservatives?

When? How many days a month?

The bottom line and results are stronger than words...

[acptulsa]

More than any other POTUS since Coolidge.

Not even close to Eisenhower, actually. Doesn't compare all that well to Kennedy or Ford. But even if it were true (which it is not) it would be damning the man with faint praise.


If he doesn't get support for it he won't keep moving our direction and no other politician will think it's a good idea either.

They all already know it's a bad idea, including Trump. None of them wants to be He Who Must Not Be Named.

You keep saying Trump cannot be ignored because he sells. That's a stupid statement. Bill Cosby always sold a whole lot better. He went off script, and where is he now?

Seriously. I know Phill and others really, really want this fairy tale you sell to be true. That's why the cognitive dissonance is so strong. But it's your job to coddle their cognitive dissonance. Not mine.


You listen to what you are being fed and eat it up... Actions are stronger than words.

No I don't. Not a word of it.

His actions have not been anywhere near as healthy or constitutional as some crack them up to be. We pulled fifty troops out of Syria and we're adding fewer new regulations than we were under Obama. Ye fucking haw. When does the Wicked Witch if the West go to Gitmo again?

You people are celebrating business as usual. Bully for you. Stop yelling at me for not doing the same.

[enhanced_deficit]

Any news of troops pull back and reducing global interventions is good news. BTW anyone knows how many troops were pulled back?

Also, there are conflicting reports that on the surface could suggest 'bi-polar inner self' but should avoid jumping to such conclusions until fog clears.


Related

MAGA indulged in his "inner Sheldon Adelson" and sent 14,000 more troops to Mideast from May 2019 to Oct 2019 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?540247-Standing-with-allies-US-sending-thousands-of-more-troops-to-mideast-total-to-reach-14-000&)



Hawkish leadership on globalist interventions front, Iran needed to be taken care of for US interests also and not just because MAGA's top donor is member of our closest ally Israel's military that faces existential threats from Iran:


Trump did not indulge his "inner Libertarion" with sending of more troops to Iraq (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?540367-Trump-did-not-indulge-his-quot-inner-Libertarion-quot-with-sending-of-more-troops-to-Iraq&)


US troops leaving Syria will go to Iraq, says Pentagon chief



4 hours ago

Media captionUS troops pass through Tal Tamer before a convoy of ambulances arrives from Ras al-Ain All US troops withdrawing from northern Syria are expected to be relocated to western Iraq, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper confirmed.

Mr Esper told reporters that, under current plans, about 1,000 soldiers would be redeployed to help stop the resurgence of Islamic State (IS).
President Donald Trump has previously pledged to bring US troops home.

bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50117765

[Swordsmyth]

We pulled fifty troops out of Syria

The perfect example of your ignorance or deceit regarding his accomplishments.

He pulled 1,000 troops out of Syria and avoided a war with Turkey just like he avoided a war with Iran twice.

We can and must make incremental progress and Trump is a windfall for that, he's not the President we want but he is the President we need.

[acptulsa]

The perfect example of your ignorance or deceit regarding his accomplishments.

He pulled 1,000 troops out of Syria and avoided a war with Turkey just like he avoided a war with Iran twice.

We can and must make incremental progress and Trump is a windfall for that, he's not the President we want but he is the President we need.

Uh huh. We've been not warring with Turkey for generations. They're a NATO ally of long standing. We wouldn't be at war with Turkey no matter who was president. You're spewing bull. Do you actually buy this bull? Who fed it to you? Some semi-covert branch of the MSM like zero hedge?

It's a stupid statement. Business as usual is business as usual.

Incremental progress sunk the Titanic. If she had just gone ahead and rammed the iceberg she might have survived. She sank because her too little too late attempt to incrementalize away from it led to a longer, uglier gash in her hull. The more you and your ilk liken this clown show to "constitutional conservatism", the harder it will be to sell people the real solution to this fiasco.

[Swordsmyth]

Uh huh. We've been not warring with Turkey for generations. They're a NATO ally of long standing. We wouldn't be at war with Turkey no matter who was president. You're spewing bull. Do you actually buy this bull? Who fed it to you? Some semi-covert branch of the MSM like zero hedge?

It's a stupid statement. Business as usual is business as usual.

Incremental progress sunk the Titanic.. If she had just gone ahead and rammed the iceberg she might have survived. She sank because her too little too late attempt to incrementalize away from it led to a linger, uglier gash in her hull. The more you and your ilk liken this clown show to "constitutional conservatism", the harder it will be to sell people the real solution to this fiasco.
Turkey has made itself our enemy but even if that wasn't the case they were going to invade and Trump got out of their way instead of starting a war to stop them.
And it was 1,000, troops that are now leaving Syria and we are occupying that much less foreign territory.

Trump is trying to turn the Titanic around with a single oar because the engine room won't obey him, it's amazing how much progress he is making and it won't be possible to make more until we make enough incremental progress to take control of the engine room.

[acptulsa]

Turkey has made itself our enemy but...

"Our"? Are you saying they're attacking Tennessee? Or are you admitting to being a neocon?


Trump is trying to turn the Titanic around with a single oar because the engine room won't obey him...

Oh, gee. And when I said that Trump was not capable of taking charge of the Executive Branch like a true Alpha Male on a white charger, what did I hear?

[Swordsmyth]

"Our"? Are you saying they're attacking Tennessee? Or are you admitting to being a neocon?
Turkey does fund anti-American activities in America and they oppose "American" actions all over the world, they would have happily attacked our troops had Trump not removed them, your attempts to pretend otherwise are just silly.




Oh, gee. And when I said that Trump was not capable of taking charge of the Executive Branch like a true Alpha Male on a white charger, what did I hear?
Nobody is capable of taking charge of the Executive Branch all at once, Congress and the deepstate see to that.

[acptulsa]

Turkey does fund anti-American activities in America and they oppose "American" actions all over the world, they would have happily attacked our troops had Trump not removed them, your attempts to pretend otherwise are just silly.




Nobody is capable of taking charge of the Executive Branch all at once, Congress and the deepstate see to that.

We're in tape loop mode again, I see. Are you a neocon? You won't address the question, but you talk about our troops in Syria like they have business there. Does Turkey fund anti-American activities in America? Basically every UN and NATO member does, but I don't even see specifics, much less proof. And I don't see us going to war with all of them. Or any of them. Under this or any other president.

You want the last word. Fine. Make all the unsubstantiated claims you want.

[Swordsmyth]

We're in tape loop mode again, I see. Are you a neocon? You won't address the question, but you talk about our troops in Syria like they have business there. Does Turkey fund anti-American activities in America? Basically every UN and NATO member does, but I don't even see specifics, much less proof. And I don't see us going to war with all of them. Or any of them. Under this or any other president.

You want the last word. Fine. Make all the unsubstantiated claims you want.
:sleeping:

[Ender]

You listen to what you are being fed and eat it up... Actions are stronger than words.

Like Trump pulling out of the Iran Deal & then sanctioning them to death? Sanctions are an act of war.

[acptulsa]

:sleeping:

We already knew you have narcolepsy. Must be how you slept through Ron Paul saying, "Make no mistake -- President Trump has not been a strong ally on issues like gun rights, spying, spending, and other important issues." Very convenient when losing a debate.

Which makes this just another one of thousands of low-value posts.

Bot.

[Swordsmyth]

Like Trump pulling out of the Iran Deal & then sanctioning them to death? Sanctions are an act of war.

Trump isn't perfect but he IS changing in our direction and should be encouraged.

[Swordsmyth]

We already knew you have narcolepsy. Must be how you slept through Ron Paul saying, "Make no mistake -- President Trump has not been a strong ally on issues like gun rights, spying, spending, and other important issues."

Which makes this just another one of thousands of low-value posts.

Bot.
Your nonsense is boring.
And Trump has been more good than bad and you refuse to support him when he is good unlike Ron.

[acptulsa]

Your nonsense is boring.
And Trump has been more good than bad and you refuse to support him when he is good unlike Ron.

"More good than bad" is subjective, meaningless and still wrong.

But not as wrong as, "...good unlike Ron."

Not what you meant? Maybe. Or maybe just evidence that no one should listen to someone who has scrambled eggs for brains.

[ATruepatriot]

Like Trump pulling out of the Iran Deal & then sanctioning them to death? Sanctions are an act of war.

First you must have an understanding of the tit for tat history with Iran going back to 1953, we did indeed start it, and we tried to repay for it. But instead they negotiate as indignant bullies who have now asked for everything they get, until you understand this whole history you have not a clue. And THIS is why history is being erased as fast as it happens, someone might catch onto the bigger picture.

But if you think this should all incorporate some compassion... Trust me, there is no love lost on either side and it is but a dream written by John Lennon, if they could be in the position to sanction us they would not have one bit of compassion.

[Swordsmyth]

"More good than bad" is subjective, meaningless and still wrong.
No, it is objective and right.


But not as wrong as, "...good unlike Ron."
That's funny, keep making a fool of yourself with deceptively edited quotes like that.

YOU are unlike Ron in that you refuse to support Trump when he is good is clearly what I meant.

[acptulsa]

But if you think this should all incorporate some compassion... Trust me, there is no love lost on either side and it is but a dream written by John Lennon, if they could be in the position to sanction us they would not have one bit of compassion.

Do you blame them?

Ender understands history a hell of a lot better than you give him credit for. Did I mention business as usual? Ender understands that healing can't begin until we leave them the hell alone. The neocon dogma you're repeating is, we made a mess and can't leave until we clean it up. When are you going to see the Hegelian method in that--problem leads to reaction leads to solutions that create more problems? When are you going to figure out that the U.S. military will never clean up the mess?


...clearly what I meant.

You think your statements are clear, but clearly they are not. You think your thoughts are clear, but clearly they are not.

You think your zerohedge-fueled thoughts are logic, but logically, they are not.

[Swordsmyth]

You think your statements are clear, but clearly they are not. You think your thoughts are clear, but clearly they are not.

You think your zerohedge-fueled thoughts are logic, but logically, they are not.
:sleeping:

You are the one who thinks unclearly or pretends to.

[ATruepatriot]

Do you blame them?

Ender understands history a hell of a lot better than you give him credit for. Did I mention business as usual? Ender understands that healing can't begin until we leave them the hell alone. The neocon dogma you're repeating is, we made a mess and can't leave until we clean it up. When are you going to see the Hegelian method in that--problem leads to reaction leads to solutions that create more problems? When are you going to figure out that the U.S. military will never clean up the mess?

Sounds good, except for one thing... We are talking about tribal cultures who can't even forgive each other within their own region. They have been practising ethnic cleansing since the beginning of written history 4,000 years ago. They NEVER forgive, they hold grudges FOREVER. Once they declare war it is until the opposition is completely wiped out as a tribe or as a species. If you are ever expecting rationality to come from Iran, give it up because it will never happen until we are all dead. Then and only then will they feel "at peace" for just a few minutes before they go after the next grudge and tribe...

[Ender]

First you must have an understanding of the tit for tat history with Iran going back to 1953, we did indeed start it, and we tried to repay for it. But instead they negotiate as indignant bullies who have now asked for everything they get, until you understand this whole history you have not a clue. And THIS is why history is being erased as fast as it happens, someone might catch onto the bigger picture.

But if you think this should all incorporate some compassion... Trust me, there is no love lost on either side and it is but a dream written by John Lennon, if they could be in the position to sanction us they would not have one bit of compassion.

I understand the history of the US meddling in Iran quite well. And we did not try to repay for our coup on their democratically elected PM. We installed the very corrupt shah as our puppet & then never forgave them for taking their country back in 1979. The US took/froze about 11 billion dollars of Iranian money. Iran also signed the nuclear deal & were still under constant surveillance even though they totally complied. Israel never signed the deal & has a reported 200-400 nuclear warheads, but that's OK.

Iran was also in complete compliance with Obama's Iranian Deal when Trump left it and started sanctioning them.

[acptulsa]

Sounds good, except for one thing... We are talking about tribal cultures who can't even forgive each other within their own region. They have been practising ethnic cleansing since the beginning of written history 4,000 years ago. They NEVER forgive, they hold grudges FOREVER. Once they declare war it is until the opposition is completely wiped out as a tribe or as a species. If you are ever expecting rationality to come from Iran, give it up because it will never happen until we are all dead. Then and only then will they feel "at peace" for just a few minutes before they go after the next grudge and tribe...

I see.

Sounds collectivist to me.

So I may presume you're holding out for the nuclear option? Am I allowed the position that no one who agreed with John McCain will ever agree with me?

Iran. Dude. Let them hold a grudge. Let them come gunning for me here in the heartland. And may Allah have mercy on their souls.

[pcosmar]

:sleeping:

U.S. Military Aid and Arms Sales to Turkey
Fiscal Years 1980-1999

https://fas.org/asmp/profiles/turkey_fmschart.htm

[Swordsmyth]

U.S. Military Aid and Arms Sales to Turkey
Fiscal Years 1980-1999

https://fas.org/asmp/profiles/turkey_fmschart.htm
Your point is?

They have started buying from Russia now.

[pcosmar]

Your point is?



The investment,, A NATO country,,, and just how many of our Nukes are right there? or Personnel or that matter.

could have moved the troops there...with our friends...

[Swordsmyth]

The investment,, A NATO country,,, and just how many of our Nukes are right there? or Personnel or that matter.

could have moved the troops there...with our friends...
Turkey isn't cooperating with us these days.

[acptulsa]

Turkey isn't cooperating with us these days.

No? Have they started sending our nukes back to us--or assuming control of them?

Those U.S. nukes in Turkey are reality. What is this crap you're spewing?

[pcosmar]

Turkey isn't cooperating with us these days.

They most certainly are..

[pcosmar]

No? Have they started sending our nukes back to us--or assuming control of them?

Those U.S. nukes in Turkey are reality. What is this crap you're spewing?

LOL,,
TDS is a horrible affliction,,, and I should feel sorry for him.. but

[Swordsmyth]

No? Have they started sending our nukes back to us--or assuming control of them?

Those U.S. nukes in Turkey are reality. What is this crap you're spewing?


They most certainly are..
You really want us to believe that you missed them buying Russian weapons systems, drilling off of Cyprus and attacking the Kurds? (among other ways they have opposed us lately)

[pcosmar]

You really want us to believe that you missed them buying Russian weapons systems, drilling off of Cyprus and attacking the Kurds? (among other ways they have opposed us lately)

We never opposed them attacking Kurds.. Everyone have been attacking Kurds since they stole their lands.. and Kurd have been fighting for Kurdistan in every place that imposes authority over them.

And Russia has better prices...
They are still NATO,,
we still maintain Bases there..
Likely trained ISIS leadership there.
They were our friend when they were bombing Assad.

Trump just make a GREAT DEAL in Turkey.
Give it a break,, you are not gaining any credibility,,, and it will get worse.

[Swordsmyth]

We never opposed them attacking Kurds.. Everyone have been attacking Kurds since they stole their lands.. and Kurd have been fighting for Kurdistan in every place that imposes authority over them.

And Russia has better prices...
They are still NATO,,
we still maintain Bases there..
Likely trained ISIS leadership there.
They were our friend when they were bombing Assad.

Trump just make a GREAT DEAL in Turkey.
Give it a break,, you are not gaining any credibility,,, and it will get worse.
You need to give it a break, nothing you can say will make us fight for the Kurds.

[acptulsa]

Give it a break,, you are not gaining any credibility,,, and it will get worse.

When you find yourself in a hole, you can stop digging. And when I find myself in a hole, I can stop digging.

But some people are paid by the post. They have to keep going straight to China.

[pcosmar]

You need to give it a break, nothing you can say will make us fight for the Kurds.

Failed redirect

You lying sack of excrement

[enhanced_deficit]

In lieu of the breaking news out of Syria-Iraq today, I propose title of this discussion be changed to :


Trump indulged his "inner Joe Lieberman (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6GBdyws5YU)" with troops redployment from Syria to Iraq



Cuz Rand would have brought troops back home.


Related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPm3ebas8os
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPm3ebas8os

[acptulsa]

Trump indulged his "inner Joe Lieberman (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6GBdyws5YU)" with troops redployment from Syria to Iraq



Cuz Rand would have brought troops back home.

IOURep.

[devil21]

Guess I'm not a 'fav' anymore. Oh, well.

Ron Paul himself, and Rand, BOTH believe in encouraging Trump in non-interventionism. Both have praised him for his latest moves.

Yet, on these forums, libertarian purists can't get a grip.

Negativity, negativity, negativity. ANYTHING Trump.

They want only to divide, just like the progressives.

So here we are, can't even be happy about POSITIVE transformations. Gotta bitch, bitch, bitch. Because anti-Trump is COOL, man. Just ask any progressive.

If the libertarian/anarchists want to align with progressives then they need to just go do it. Because they DON'T align with Constitutional conservatives.

Open borders ? Hurrah! Abortion? We believe in individual choice! The Constitution? An archaic piece of paper that doesn't matter anyway! Just throw it in the bin and start a new utopia based on individual want and desire.

No. Fuck a bunch of libertarian/anarchist dipshits.

Keep going down this forum path until you are an Army of one. The one that is the MOST pure. SMDH.

Some of us have educated ourselves enough to know that giving Trump credit for anything is stupid. He's a PR guy for bigger interests with bigger goals. I'm actually not anti-Trump. Seriously, I'm not. I'm anti-ignorance and anti-lying, two traits that pervade everything about this administration. This is why I didn't support GWB, Obama or Trump. They're faces, front men, PR agents. That's it. Is the dismantling of the global dollar standard a good thing from a foreign policy perspective? Probably...when it actually happens. Do I give Trump the credit as the savior that pulled it off in the face of the deep state trying to take him down? Hell no. He lies to my face every day as if I'm a moron and I don't fall for PR schtick from teevee personalities.

Ron himself spent a lot of time highlighting the FEDERAL RESERVE BANKERS, remember? While he may, at times, now praise Trump for something Trump announces, Ron's main platform point of the FED made it clear that the bankers control this shebang and guess who Trump has surrounded himself with? Those same bankers and their associated CFR members. Praise Trump if you like but if you still think that guy makes any decisions you haven't learned anything.

Just for giggles, here's a thread I started in 2009, literally over 10 years ago, about the global bankers planning out the end of the global dollar and everything that came along with it, which includes the eventual scaling back of US military presence around the world. Some of the issues important to libertarians are achieved during that process but I'm not naive enough at this point to think that next "solutions" haven't long since been decided and are being implemented. And it'll be a cold, cold day in hell before "devil21" gives Trump one shred of credit for anything other than standing in front of a camera reading a teleprompter.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?215160-Destruction-of-the-US-dollar

[Swordsmyth]

Some of us have educated ourselves enough to know that giving Trump credit for anything is stupid. He's a PR guy for bigger interests with bigger goals. I'm actually not anti-Trump. Seriously, I'm not. I'm anti-ignorance and anti-lying, two traits that pervade everything about this administration. This is why I didn't support GWB, Obama or Trump. They're faces, front men, PR agents. That's it. Is the dismantling of the global dollar standard a good thing from a foreign policy perspective? Probably...when it actually happens. Do I give Trump the credit as the savior that pulled it off in the face of the deep state trying to take him down? Hell no. He lies to my face every day as if I'm a moron and I don't fall for PR schtick from teevee personalities.

Ron himself spent a lot of time highlighting the FEDERAL RESERVE BANKERS, remember? While he may, at times, now praise Trump for something Trump announces, Ron's main platform point of the FED made it clear that the bankers control this shebang and guess who Trump has surrounded himself with? Those same bankers and their associated CFR members. Praise Trump if you like but if you still think that guy makes any decisions you haven't learned anything.

Just for giggles, here's a thread I started in 2009, literally over 10 years ago, about the global bankers planning out the end of the global dollar and everything that came along with it, which includes the eventual scaling back of US military presence around the world. Some of the issues important to libertarians are achieved during that process but I'm not naive enough at this point to think that next "solutions" haven't long since been decided and are being implemented. And it'll be a cold, cold day in hell before "devil21" gives Trump one shred of credit for anything other than standing in front of a camera reading a teleprompter.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?215160-Destruction-of-the-US-dollar
That's convenient, it allows you to claim that anything good that happens is actually bad.
Unfortunately it doesn't fit the facts of what is actually happening.
You also ignore the fact that Trump IS making the Fed the Bad Guy, but you will just say that is all part of the same evil plot, I suppose Ron was also part of the evil plot?

[devil21]

That's convenient, it allows you to claim that anything good that happens is actually bad.
Unfortunately it doesn't fit the facts of what is actually happening.
You also ignore the fact that Trump IS making the Fed the Bad Guy, but you will just say that is all part of the same evil plot, I suppose Ron was also part of the evil plot?

No genius, it allows me to know that the orange man on the teevee didn't do shit and doesn't deserve any credit other than standing in front of a camera reading a teleprompter. I don't worship middle-management PR figureheads.

Speaking of making the Fed the bad guy, I also wrote about that narrative going mainstream back in 2015, as part of the planned global dollar dismantling. It's all planned and scripted years in advance.

Here's the thread:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?470248-Interesting-appeals-court-ruling-in-Canada-debt-based-money-is-done

[nobody's_hero]

Guess I'm not a 'fav' anymore. Oh, well.

Ron Paul himself, and Rand, BOTH believe in encouraging Trump in non-interventionism. Both have praised him for his latest moves.

Yet, on these forums, libertarian purists can't get a grip.

Negativity, negativity, negativity. ANYTHING Trump.

They want only to divide, just like the progressives.

So here we are, can't even be happy about POSITIVE transformations. Gotta bitch, bitch, bitch. Because anti-Trump is COOL, man. Just ask any progressive.

If the libertarian/anarchists want to align with progressives then they need to just go do it. Because they DON'T align with Constitutional conservatives.

Open borders ? Hurrah! Abortion? We believe in individual choice! The Constitution? An archaic piece of paper that doesn't matter anyway! Just throw it in the bin and start a new utopia based on individual want and desire.

No. $#@! a bunch of libertarian/anarchist dipshits.

Keep going down this forum path until you are an Army of one. The one that is the MOST pure. SMDH.

+rep's on a cooldown apparently. But yeah, this. This place has completely outlived its usefulness as any rally point of grassroots activism and has become a place where people who spam the refresh button on the MSNBC home page can come and copy-paste propaganda here as soon as it drops. And to what end? To make Trump look bad? Is that the ultimate goal? Or is it to achieve as much liberty as possible, even when the hand you've been dealt isn't the one you wanted? I digress.

[acptulsa]

And to what end? To make Trump look bad?

Remember 2010? Remember Obama supporters? Remember the claims that we would be out of Iraq soon? Remember the child-like faith that Solyndra was something more than a cash cow full of pork? Remember the cognitive dissonance when they were told that the mandatory medical insurance was unconstitutional, and would drive everyone's prices up?

Did you feel sorry for the people who were furiously working at fooling themselves, who were losing their last shred of hope that there was some actual difference between Obama and Dubya? Do you remember the hurt vitriol they spewed when someone told them plain, unvarnished truth? Did you have compassion when their hearts were breaking?

You should have. Welcome to the same boat. Sorry. I feel your pain.

Trump is making himself look bad. Those who have no eyes to see it resent those who do. But you knew all along that this place would long be home to people who refused to close their eyes.


“The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

And so goes the two party partisan.

[CCTelander]

Here's what I'm seeing here: Some of us are being savagely excoriated merely for being skeptical of Trump and his intentions, and for not praising him effusively for saying he's going to do the right thing. The reasoning seems to be that if we don't effusively praise Trump for saying he's going to do the right thing he won't actually follow through. No doubt we skeptics would then be blamed for his failure.

This kind of thinking is odd coming from people who purport to espouse the concepts of individual liberty and personal responsibility for a number of reasons.

Firstly, we skeptics are not responsible for Trump's actions, Trump is. If he fails to follow through that's on him, not us. That's what personal responsibility means.

Second, from the perspective of securing and maintaining liberty, it's ALWAYS prudent to be skeptical of those in positions of power. Most of the time it's a necessary survival instinct. Ron Paul may have earned a certain amount of trust, but he did so because he spent DECADES DOING the right thing for the most part. Even then he's not perfect. Trump has been, at best, a mixed bag for a mere 3 years. For so-called liberty advocates to savagely excoriate their fellows for prudent skepticism is not only ludicrous, it's shameful.

Lastly, when I was growing up I was taught that doing the right thing was its own reward, and if there were to be any rewards at all for it, including praise, those rewards would come AFTER THE FACT, not before. Some here are demanding that Trump be rewarded beforehand. Strange coming from people who claim to advocate individual liberty and personal responsibility.

[Origanalist]

Here's what I'm seeing here: Some of us are being savagely excoriated merely for being skeptical of Trump and his intentions, and for not praising him effusively for saying he's going to do the right thing. The reasoning seems to be that if we don't effusively praise Trump for saying he's going to do the right thing he won't actually follow through. No doubt we skeptics would then be blamed for his failure.

This kind of thinking is odd coming from people who purport to espouse the concepts of individual liberty and personal responsibility for a number of reasons.

Firstly, we skeptics are not responsible for Trump's actions, Trump is. If he fails to follow through that's on him, not us. That's what personal responsibility means.

Second, from the perspective of securing and maintaining liberty, it's ALWAYS prudent to be skeptical of those in positions of power. Most of the time it's a necessary survival instinct. Ron Paul may have earned a certain amount of trust, but he did so because he spent DECADES DOING the right thing for the most part. Even then he's not perfect. Trump has been, at best, a mixed bag for a mere 3 years. For so-called liberty advocates to savagely excoriate their fellows for prudent skepticism is not only ludicrous, it's shameful.

Lastly, when I was growing up I was taught that doing the right thing was its own reward, and if there were to be any rewards at all for it, including praise, those rewards would come AFTER THE FACT, not before. Some here are demanding that Trump be rewarded beforehand. Strange coming from people who claim to advocate individual liberty and personal responsibility.

I can somewhat see their point, Trump is driven by his ego. It makes sense to show support for statements of intentions that should be supported.

The problem is that if he doesn't follow through there aren't howls of betrayal in equal amounts by his supporters. He'll still be holding yuge rallies full of fawning er ......supporters.

[nobody's_hero]

Did you feel sorry for the people who were furiously working at fooling themselves, who were losing their last shred of hope that there was some actual difference between Obama and Dubya? Do you remember the hurt vitriol they spewed when someone told them plain, unvarnished truth? Did you have compassion when their hearts were breaking?



And so goes the two party partisan.

Do I think Trump is the second coming of Christ? Am I like the welfare queen who thinks he's 'gonna take care of all dees kids'? Am I throwing a Nobel Peace prize at him just for winning an election?

No.

But I am looking for inroads, because I will settle for victories wherever I can find them, even the smallest ones. To see the MSM, liberals, neoconservatives, advisors, swamp creatures, MIC vultures, AND the libertarians come in and stomp it out every single time is getting kinda old.

You'd think after 4 decades that the libertarian party has been in existence and going for the 'all-or-nothing' approach, they'd realize they've been left with nothing every time.

So yeah. I want something. Sue me.

[acptulsa]

You'd think after 4 decades that the libertarian party has been in existence that going for the all-or-nothing approach, they'd realize they've been left with nothing every time.

Oh, I understand where you're coming from. But the fact us, so far he hasn't actually turned the ship far enough that anyone can say it's headed in the right direction.

A direction less wrong than before? After forty years, we can guarantee that the string of lesser evils has delivered us to an increasingly evil place. A less wrong direction isn't helping.

Want us to like Trump? Help us hold his feet to the fire.

What we are saying is, just another lesser evil does not an inroad make.

[TomtheTinker]

Not only do you ignore the insults and incivility hurled by one side but you put politeness ahead of truthfulness and liberty.

It reminds me of Romney.

Honestly, in my years spent here I cant remember anybody who has the negative effect on a thread as you do. I have no idea why these guys even acknowledge your existence. Beyond a waste of time.

[devil21]

Oh, I understand where you're coming from. But the fact us, so far he hasn't actually turned the ship far enough that anyone can say it's headed in the right direction.

A direction less wrong than before? After forty years, we can guarantee that the string of lesser evils has delivered us to an increasingly evil place. A less wrong direction isn't helping.

Want us to like Trump? Help us hold his feet to the fire.

What we are saying is, just another lesser evil does not an inroad make.

I'd be Trump's biggest cheerleader if he started talking about real issues and agendas. Start outing the entire media complex as propaganda outlets, not just ones critical of him. Push Congress to reinstate the Smith-Mundt Act. Talk about the NSA and the control grid being implemented. Start talking about Agenda 2030. Start exposing to the masses the real puppet masters pulling the strings. Stop lying, stop being on every side of every issue, stop being a giant reality show distraction.

But alas, my utopian puritan libertarian vision of a President that would use his microphone accordingly is indeed a pipe dream and, instead, we'll continue to receive more of the same.

[Swordsmyth]

Indulging his inner Rand Paul is nice, but it would be even greater if Trump indulged his inner Ron Paul. That would be quite a legendary moment.
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