U.S. forces say Turkey was deliberately ‘bracketing’ American troops with artillery fire in Sy

[TheCount]

Turkish forces who launched multiple artillery rounds near a U.S. Special Operations outpost in northeastern Syria on Friday have known for months that Americans were there, according to four current and former U.S. officials, raising questions whether Turkey is trying to push American troops farther from the border.


The incident occurred on a hilltop base overlooking the town of Kobane as Turkey continues an operation launched Tuesday against Syrian Kurds, some of whom the United States has partnered with for years in its campaign against the Islamic State. The incursion has focused on an area 60 miles to the west of Kobane, but U.S. officials believe Turkey has long-term aspirations to control a much larger swath of Syria.


The rounds landed about 9 p.m. within a few hundred yards of the base on Mistenur Hill, U.S. officials said. Navy Capt. Brook DeWalt, a Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement that the U.S. troops “came under artillery fire” but were unharmed and that there was an explosion.
“The U.S. demands that Turkey avoid actions that could result in immediate defensive action,” DeWalt said.


In a statement issued Friday, Turkey’s Defense Ministry said its troops had not fired on the Americans and were acting “in self-defense” after one of their border posts was attacked.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/10/12/us-forces-say-turkey-was-deliberately-bracketing-american-forces-with-artillery-fire-syria/

[Origanalist]

I thought we pulled out of Syria?

[Swordsmyth]

The Kurds probably fired on the Turks from nearby in the hopes of getting the Turks to hit our troops so the Neocons could try to make Trump start a war with Turkey like he declined to do.

[pcosmar]

The Kurds probably fired on the Turks from nearby in the hopes of getting the Turks to hit our troops so the Neocons could try to make Trump start a war with Turkey like he declined to do.

Special Forces claim they were deliberately targeted.

No one injured this time. but escalation is always the name of the game....

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2019/10/10/us-backed-syrian-forces-claim-turkey-bombed-a-commando-camp-housing-coalition-trained-counterterrorism-forces/

[TheCount]

The Kurds probably fired on the Turks from nearby in the hopes of getting the Turks to hit our troops so the Neocons could try to make Trump start a war with Turkey like he declined to do.

How did the American troops get to be nearby to the Kurds in your scenario, Wormtongue?

[Swordsmyth]

How did the American troops get to be nearby to the Kurds in your scenario, Wormtongue?
You have it backwards, as usual, gollum.

[JoshLowry]

Stop insulting each other...

[oyarde]

If you are targeted any experienced Arty would be able to get within 50 meters at least so probably just intimidation by the turks who have always been allowed to bomb anyone they feel like it with no fear of any retaliation .

[TheCount]

You have it backwards, as usual, gollum.

Please do explain.

[Swordsmyth]

Please do explain.
The Kurds went to where our troops were to try and start a fight between us and the Turks.
They have a habit of doing that kind of thing.

Our Gallant Allies, the Kurds (and other fairy tales) (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?540138-Our-Gallant-Allies-the-Kurds-(and-other-fairy-tales))

[TheCount]

The Kurds went to where our troops were to try and start a fight between us and the Turks.

But our troops left the area, right?

In order for your fantasy to be true, both the Kurds and the Turks had to move from the Kurdish region to... wherever our troops supposedly are.

[Ender]

From Eric Margolis: More ‘Stupid War’ in Syria


The Kurds have been used and betrayed since 1918. They always seem to get the short end of the stick. The old Kurdish saying, ‘no friends but the mountains,’ is painfully true. Washington does not want to get involved in a new Kurdish state carved out of Syria or Iraq even though Israel is pushing it hard to further splinter the Mideast. Iraq’s and Syria’s oil deposits are still a powerful lure for imperial-minded powers.

Whole article: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/10/eric-margolis/more-stupid-war-in-syria/

[Swordsmyth]

But our troops left the area, right?

In order for your fantasy to be true, both the Kurds and the Turks had to move from the Kurdish region to... wherever our troops supposedly are.
The Kurds moved to the nearest US troops and the Turks pursued.

[Swordsmyth]

From Eric Margolis: More ‘Stupid War’ in Syria



Whole article: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/10/eric-margolis/more-stupid-war-in-syria/
The Kurds have been bad actors since before 1918.

Our Gallant Allies, the Kurds (and other fairy tales) (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?540138-Our-Gallant-Allies-the-Kurds-(and-other-fairy-tales))

[Ender]

The Kurds have been bad actors since before 1918.

Our Gallant Allies, the Kurds (and other fairy tales) (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?540138-Our-Gallant-Allies-the-Kurds-(and-other-fairy-tales))

Margolis knows what he's talking about.

[Swordsmyth]

Margolis knows what he's talking about.
I didn't say they hadn't been used and betrayed, I said we shouldn't care.
The only thing we should care about is leaving as quickly as possible.

[TheCount]

The Kurds moved to the nearest US troops and the Turks pursued.

Only one problem with that. We know where it happened, outside the town of Kobane.

It is right on the Syria/Turkey border, right at the center of northern Syria.


https://www.abc.net.au/cm/lb/5794774/data/map-of-location-of-kobane2c-syria-data.png

[Swordsmyth]

Only one problem with that. We know where it happened, outside the town of Kobane.

It is right on the Syria/Turkey border, right at the center of northern Syria.


https://www.abc.net.au/cm/lb/5794774/data/map-of-location-of-kobane2c-syria-data.png

And at the edge of Turkey's incursion that Trump pulled troops out of the way of.

[TheCount]

And at the edge of Turkey's incursion that Trump pulled troops out of the way of.

So... you're saying that the area that Trump moved American troops out of only spans between Kobane and Aleppo?

[Swordsmyth]

So... you're saying that the area that Trump moved American troops out of only spans between Kobane and Aleppo?
Mostly it's EAST of Kobane, Turkey is invading NE Syria.

[TheCount]

Mostly it's EAST of Kobane, Turkey is invading NE Syria.

Turkey currently occupies NW Syria.

[Swordsmyth]

Turkey currently occupies NW Syria.

And they are invading NE Syria because they didn't already.

[Anti Globalist]

I thought we pulled out of Syria?
Due to technical difficulties they're having trouble pulling out.

[vita3]

Defense Secretary goes on FOX says 1.000 troops being moved away from N Syria..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.axios.com/us-forces-withdrawal-syria-turkish-attack-052a464c-0535-4af1-b25a-704b213afd41.html

[TheCount]

And they are invading NE Syria because they didn't already.

I'll try to summarize the situation based on your statements.


This incident happened near a town on the Turkish border which is located between two different Turkish military forces, one in the east and the other in the west. American forces were already located there before the "withdrawal" and were known to be there by at the Kurds.

What group would you say controls the area?

[Brian4Liberty]

Defense Secretary goes on FOX says 1.000 troops being moved away from N Syria..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.axios.com/us-forces-withdrawal-syria-turkish-attack-052a464c-0535-4af1-b25a-704b213afd41.html

Last I heard the neocons were going crazy because we pulled all 50 of our troops from Syria. Then some Americans came under attack in Syria when we weren’t supposed to have anyone there. Now we have a 1000 we are pulling out of Syria.

Hard to follow this drama.

[TheCount]

Last I heard the neocons were going crazy because we pulled all 50 of our troops from Syria. Then some Americans came under attack in Syria when we weren’t supposed to have anyone there. Now we have a 1000 we are pulling out of Syria.

Zero soldiers were withdrawn from Syria (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?540064-Zero-soldiers-were-withdrawn-from-Syria)

[vita3]

Doesn't matter how negative posters on this site are

We are pulling all troops out of N Syria & Russia/Assad Gov filling void as we speak.

Kurds will be protected by Syrian Gov

Trump deserves a lot of credit here for believers of non-intervention

[Swordsmyth]

Doesn't matter how negative posters on this site are

We are pulling all troops out of N Syria & Russia/Assad Gov filling void as we speak.

Kurds will be protected by Syrian Gov

Trump deserves a lot of credit here for believers of non-intervention
Now that we aren't protecting the Kurds anymore it won't be long before we leave Syria entirely, that's why the trolls are out in force to try and make Trump regret his actions and give in to the Neocons.

[Brian4Liberty]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/10/12/us-forces-say-turkey-was-deliberately-bracketing-american-forces-with-artillery-fire-syria/


The Kurds probably fired on the Turks from nearby in the hopes of getting the Turks to hit our troops so the Neocons could try to make Trump start a war with Turkey like he declined to do.


Special Forces claim they were deliberately targeted.

No one injured this time. but escalation is always the name of the game....

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2019/10/10/us-backed-syrian-forces-claim-turkey-bombed-a-commando-camp-housing-coalition-trained-counterterrorism-forces/


If you are targeted any experienced Arty would be able to get within 50 meters at least so probably just intimidation by the turks who have always been allowed to bomb anyone they feel like it with no fear of any retaliation .

And imagine this development. On today’s Liberty Report, we hear that it was FSA militias who were carelessly firing. No worries, nobody remembers last week’s fake news. On to the next outrage.


At the 7:10 mark, Daniel McAdams reveals that is was an FSA militia, not Turkey, that fired near US troops. Several days ago it was blamed on Turkey. It is shocking that the media would report such inflammatory fake news!

[tebowlives]

Doesn't matter how negative posters on this site are

We are pulling all troops out of N Syria & Russia/Assad Gov filling void as we speak.

Kurds will be protected by Syrian Gov

Trump deserves a lot of credit here for believers of non-interventionYep, give credit when credits due. Technically he deserves all the credit since he controls troop movements.

[tebowlives]

And imagine this development. On today’s Liberty Report, we hear that it was FSA militias who were carelessly firing. No worries, nobody remembers last week’s fake news. On to the next outrage.It shows that area is a mess. Which ally to side with? Entangling alliances with none.

[oyarde]

And imagine this development. On today’s Liberty Report, we hear that it was FSA militias who were carelessly firing. No worries, nobody remembers last week’s fake news. On to the next outrage.

Free Syrian Army Militia never offered me any gold for arty lessons . Things like this is how people end up having friendly fire problems .

[Brian4Liberty]

Free Syrian Army Militia never offered me any gold for arty lessons . Things like this is how people end up having friendly fire problems .

Hillary sent Christopher Stevens to provide some weapons and training, but they killed him and skipped the training.

[oyarde]

Hillary sent Christopher Stevens to provide some weapons and training, but they killed him and skipped the training.

Its like trying to trade with those barbarians around the canadian - minnesota border.

[Swordsmyth]

Its like trying to trade with those barbarians around the canadian - minnesota border.

You can always hire Danke for air cover.

[Brian4Liberty]

And imagine this development. On today’s Liberty Report, we hear that it was FSA militias who were carelessly firing. No worries, nobody remembers last week’s fake news. On to the next outrage.

Remember when they claimed that Assad used chemical weapons in Syria?
Remember when they claimed that Turkey had attacked US forces in Syria?
Remember when they claimed that Iran had attacked a base and killed a US contractor?

[Danke]

You can always hire Danke for air cover.

He doesn't have enough gold that he has "picked up" for that.

[Swordsmyth]

He doesn't have enough gold that he has "picked up" for that.
He can throw in some beaver pelts.

[Danke]

He can throw in some beaver pelts.

I think knowingly buying "picked up" goods is a crime. No one should do business with oyarde with that knowledge.

[oyarde]

I think knowingly buying "picked up" goods is a crime. No one should do business with oyarde with that knowledge.

I am a purveyor of the finest American Made goods. I stand behind the authenticity of my items . If you want to be a Great American , buy goods from Oyarde , the Greatest American .

[Swordsmyth]

I am a purveyor of the finest American Made goods. I stand behind the authenticity of my items . If you want to be a Great American , buy goods from Oyarde , the Greatest American .
You should sell the UK a few beaver pelts with the beavers still in them:

UK: Reintroduction of beavers could protect land against floods and climate change (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?542502-UK-Reintroduction-of-beavers-could-protect-land-against-floods-and-climate-change)

[enhanced_deficit]

And imagine this development. On today’s Liberty Report, we hear that it was FSA militias who were carelessly firing. No worries, nobody remembers last week’s fake news. On to the next outrage.

Remember when they claimed that Assad used chemical weapons in Syria?
Remember when they claimed that Turkey had attacked US forces in Syria?
Remember when they claimed that Iran had attacked a base and killed a US contractor?

EM.

Hopefully it's not being suggested that it was false flag like this (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?542544-Tucker-slams-Iran-escalation-%93They-re-liars-and-they-don-t-care-about-you-quot&p=6904716&viewfull=1#post6904716) to induce occupying troops to stay in Iraq.