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Anti Federalist
09-30-2019, 10:33 AM
The Corn Lobby vs. Orange Man

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2019/09/30/the-corn-lobby-vs-orange-man/

By eric - September 30, 2019

The corn lobby – which benignly styles itself The National Corn Growers Association – is upset with the Orange Man for – as CNN puts it – “reducing demand” for its crops.

What he’s actually done is reduce the mandate for them by granting waivers to refineries which would otherwise by forced by a federal law called the Renewable Fuels Standard or RFS to douse the gas they make with ethanol – which is made (in the United States) using mostly . . . corn.

Almost all of the “gas” sold in the United States actually contains 10 percent ethanol (E10) because of the regs that require, not because American motorists want it. If they did want it, there would be no need for the mandate.

Which mandate puts a lot of corn into American motorists’ tanks – and a lot of money into the pockets of the corn lobby.

Every gallon of E10 sold includes a 10 percent subsidy to the corn lobby, or about 15-20 cents per gallon. This amounts to about the same sum as the federal gas tax of 18.4 cents per gallon, but with the latter American drivers get something desirable in return for their money – the roads, without which their cars wouldn’t be much use – which they’d probably pay for without being forced to, while the Corn Tax is simply a transfer of wealth from American drivers to a very politically powerful and parasitic “industry” that depends on government force to keep it in business.

Ethanol is a product without a natural market – which is why the corn lobby had an artificial one created for it, using the political power it wields in farms states to apply pressure to candidates for office to support laws such as the Renewable Fuels mandate. It’s no different in principle than the “zero emissions” mandates in place in states like CA, which created an artificial market for electric cars by imposing a requirement that a certain number be sold each year.

The chief difference – for now – is that Americans aren’t forced to buy an electric car. But the corn lobby has succeeded in sluicing corn juice into almost all of the “gasoline” sold in the country.

It is still legal to buy real gas (without ethanol) just as it’s still legal to buy real Coke (with sugar rather high fructose corn syrup) but you have to go out of your way to find it. There are only a relative handful of stations – see here, to find some – that sell real gas because of the pressure on the system to produce and sell ethanol-laced gas.

The two products have to be pipelined/shipped/trucked/stored separately, which makes things more involved, which makes things more expensive. It’s cheaper to sell just (or mostly) the ethanol-laced gas – just as it’s cheaper to sell Coke sweetened with high fructose corn syrup but only – in the case of E10 – because of the artificial incentives created by the mandates and the compliance costs they impose.

And it’s actually not cheaper.

While ethanol-lacing may reduce the cost of a gallon of “gas,” that “gas” costs Americans in several other ways that aren’t immediately obvious.

First, ethanol-doused gas reduces gas mileage – because it doesn’t pack nearly the same energy punch that 100 percent gasoline does. It takes 1.5 gallons of pure ethanol to equal the energy content in BTUs of 1 gallon of unadulterated gasoline.

The more ethanol in your “gas,” the lower your gas mileage.

This can be compensated for to some degree by designing an engine specifically for ethanol-laced fuels (which have higher octane) using very high-compression and turbochargers to increase cylinder pressure – but this increases the cost of new cars built with engines designed to take advantage of the higher-octane/ethanol-laced fuel.

And the fuel is a clear net loser when burned in cars not designed specifically to burn it – which amounts to millions of cars still on the road and especially cars made before the early 2000s.

The government itself admits that E10 “gas” reduces MPGs by 1.5-3 percent on average – a reduction significantly greater than the gains achieved by fitting new cars with engines that turn themselves off whenever the car isn’t actually moving (ASS) and leaving aside the add-on cost of such technology and the down-the-road costs in terms of maintaining the system and more frequent battery replacement due to the much-increased workload of serial re-starting of the engine placed upon it.

In addition to using more gas, using ethanol also creates more gas.

If a car burns 1.5-3 percent more fuel by volume to go a given distance, it will “emit” proportionately more of the dread gas, carbon dioxide. Why aren’t environmentalists “concerned” about this?

The corn lobby may soon find Greta directing her crazy eyes in their direction.

But for now, the corn lobby is very angry that the Orange Man has dialed back the manufactured “demand” for its product. It sent him a letter expressing “frustration” with the president’s decision.

This is the “frustration” felt by a raccoon stymied by one of those lockable garbage can tops.

The letter demands the Orange Man “follow the law” – that is, not question the forcible transfer of wealth from the pockets of American drivers into the coffers of the corn lobby. It wails about the “reduced corn demand due to lower ethanol blending and consumption and a rising number of ethanol producers slowing or idling production.”

Outrageous!

The American driver owes the corn lobby a living, it seems.

It goes on to wheedle about the “harm caused by the waivers ” . . . but what about the harm caused to American drivers?

It insists that the OM “restore integrity” to the renewable fuels mandate by rescinding the 85 waivers he has granted to refineries around the country.

What the Orange Man ought to do is make them permanent – and general.

If people want E10 – or E15 or E100 – let them buy it.

But force no one to buy it.

This would articulate the principle that it’s not the proper business of government to “help” any businesses that can’t make a case for their product or service on the merits.

The choice isn’t between “renewables” and real gas.

It’s between a kleptocracy – and a free market.

CoastieInColorado
09-30-2019, 03:16 PM
+rep for timing, I was just trying to explain this to my gf the other night.

tod evans
09-30-2019, 03:57 PM
There is an upside to corn squeezin's....

High octane! (https://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp-0611-e85-ethanol-fuel-test/)

Anti Globalist
09-30-2019, 05:50 PM
Will the Orange Man win out in the end?

Swordsmyth
09-30-2019, 05:56 PM
Will the Orange Man win out in the end?

Count on it.

kcchiefs6465
09-30-2019, 06:14 PM
Didn’t Orange Man lift E15 bans regarding summer time?

juleswin
09-30-2019, 06:28 PM
Didn’t Orange Man lift E15 bans regarding summer time?


Trump lifts curbs on E15 gasoline to help farmers, angering Big Oil

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Trump administration on Friday lifted restrictions on the sale of higher ethanol blends of gasoline, keeping a campaign promise to farmers suffering from the trade war with China but drawing a legal threat from the oil industry.

The announcement will allow gasoline stations to sell blends containing up to 15 percent corn-based ethanol, called E15, year-round, ending a summertime ban that President Barack Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency imposed in 2011 to reduce smog pollution.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-biofuels-ethanol/trump-lifts-curbs-on-e15-gasoline-to-help-farmers-angering-big-oil-idUSKCN1T11BN

What do you know, he is right.

Its one of those deregulation that ends up growing govt, sorta like opening the borders while doing nothing to the welfare state. Thank you Trump, you are the deregulator in chief :rolleyes:

Swordsmyth
09-30-2019, 06:31 PM
Didn’t Orange Man lift E15 bans regarding summer time?


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-biofuels-ethanol/trump-lifts-curbs-on-e15-gasoline-to-help-farmers-angering-big-oil-idUSKCN1T11BN

What do you know, he is right.

Its one of those deregulation that ends up growing govt, sorta like opening the borders while doing nothing to the welfare state. Thank you Trump, you are the deregulator in chief :rolleyes:
Government wasn't grown, it was already setting ethanol mandates.
What Trump has done is issue so many waivers that ethanol plants are shutting down, when the corn lobby is gone it will be much easier to end the mandates.

juleswin
09-30-2019, 07:02 PM
Government wasn't grown, it was already setting ethanol mandates.
What Trump has done is issue so many waivers that ethanol plants are shutting down, when the corn lobby is gone it will be much easier to end the mandates.

Did u say when the corn lobby is gone? I need some of what you are smoking. The corn lobby will outlast Trump and then next 10 US presidents, they ain't going anywhere.

oyarde
09-30-2019, 07:09 PM
Food chain supply items do not belong in fuel unless it is only by product scraps .

kcchiefs6465
09-30-2019, 07:37 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-biofuels-ethanol/trump-lifts-curbs-on-e15-gasoline-to-help-farmers-angering-big-oil-idUSKCN1T11BN

What do you know, he is right.

Its one of those deregulation that ends up growing govt, sorta like opening the borders while doing nothing to the welfare state. Thank you Trump, you are the deregulator in chief :rolleyes:
Eric Peters knows this.

shakey1
09-30-2019, 08:43 PM
Food chain supply items do not belong in fuel unless it is only by product scraps .

^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^

You must spread some....

Swordsmyth
10-04-2019, 04:12 PM
The Trump administration unveiled a fuel proposal Friday that would buoy corn farmers and ethanol producers to the detriment of the nation’s oil industry.
The proposal from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) would require oil refineries to blend more ethanol into gasoline, while also paving the way for year-round “E15” fuels that are blended with 15 percent ethanol.
The proposal from the EPA would require refineries starting next year to blend a minimum of 15 billion gallons of ethanol into fuel, one of the escalating targets laid out in current law that has never been met.


Both the American Petroleum Institute (API), the lobby for the oil industry, and American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers, which represents oil refineries, called the proposal concerning, vowing to challenge the policy because “it is by no means a win-win.”
“The administration is heading in the wrong direction on ethanol policy and we also believe that it’s being done for all the wrong reasons, which are political and not in the best interests of our energy security,” Frank Macchiarola, API’s vice president of downstream and industry operations, told The Hill.

More at: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/464390-trump-sides-with-farmers-in-ethanol-proposal-that-angers-oil

kcchiefs6465
10-04-2019, 09:06 PM
The Trump administration unveiled a fuel proposal Friday that would buoy corn farmers and ethanol producers to the detriment of the nation’s oil industry.
The proposal from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) would require oil refineries to blend more ethanol into gasoline, while also paving the way for year-round “E15” fuels that are blended with 15 percent ethanol.
The proposal from the EPA would require refineries starting next year to blend a minimum of 15 billion gallons of ethanol into fuel, one of the escalating targets laid out in current law that has never been met.


Both the American Petroleum Institute (API), the lobby for the oil industry, and American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers, which represents oil refineries, called the proposal concerning, vowing to challenge the policy because “it is by no means a win-win.”
“The administration is heading in the wrong direction on ethanol policy and we also believe that it’s being done for all the wrong reasons, which are political and not in the best interests of our energy security,” Frank Macchiarola, API’s vice president of downstream and industry operations, told The Hill.

More at: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/464390-trump-sides-with-farmers-in-ethanol-proposal-that-angers-oil
This is a good thing in your opinion?

brushfire
10-04-2019, 09:09 PM
This is a good thing in your opinion?

Some kinda xD chess move... Still trying to figure it out myself.

kcchiefs6465
10-04-2019, 09:11 PM
Some kinda xD chess move... Still trying to figure it out myself.
I'm not used to Swordsmyth publishing too many negative Trump articles so the ambiguity is a little confusing.

I haven't heard a good E15 argument in a while so maybe there's something to be said about getting less volatility in fuel on an 'executive' busy body's decree.

Engine's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnKbImRPhTE

Swordsmyth
10-04-2019, 09:16 PM
This is a good thing in your opinion?

NO!

I'm just letting everyone know what's going on.
Hopefully the oil industry will be able to kill it.

angelatc
10-04-2019, 09:22 PM
Almost all of the “gas” sold in the United States actually contains 10 percent ethanol (E10)


It takes 1.5 gallons of pure ethanol to equal the energy content in BTUs of 1 gallon of unadulterated gasoline.


The oil companies win either way here. The art of the deal.

enhanced_deficit
10-06-2019, 01:37 PM
Will the Orange Man win out in the end?

The way he stood up against Pelosi-Schumer Big Gummit Spending lobby during last gov shutdown, against gun control lobby, against NAFATA 2.0 lobby, against Israel looby, against anti-Gay marriage GOP Christian base lobby... that should indicate that Corn Lobby does not stand a chance against a strong backbone leader like him.

UWDude
10-06-2019, 01:56 PM
The way he stood up against Pelosi-Schumer Big Gummit Spending lobby during last gov shutdown, against gun control lobby, against NAFATA 2.0 lobby, against Israel looby, against anti-Gay marriage GOP Christian base lobby... that should indicate that Corn Lobby does not stand a chance against a strong backbone leader like him.

XD

Had to throw in the gay lobby, because... ..reasons!

XD

shakey1
10-06-2019, 03:21 PM
Ban ethanol mandates.

XNavyNuke
10-06-2019, 07:11 PM
Wake me when he directs the EPA to re-qualify the non-attainment areas for the Reformulated Gasoline program and has the twelve states operating their own boutique fuels program justify their "necessary to achieve" for NAAQS. Best way to foul up a bureaucracy is to insist they do their jobs to the letter.

XNN

Anti Federalist
02-19-2022, 07:58 PM
First, ethanol-doused gas reduces gas mileage – because it doesn’t pack nearly the same energy punch that 100 percent gasoline does. It takes 1.5 gallons of pure ethanol to equal the energy content in BTUs of 1 gallon of unadulterated gasoline.

The more ethanol in your “gas,” the lower your gas mileage.

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Study: Corn Ethanol May Be Worse For Climate Than Gasoline

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Study-Corn-Ethanol-May-Be-Worse-For-Climate-Than-Gasoline.html

By Charles Kennedy - Feb 15, 2022, 11:30 AM CST

Corn-based ethanol may be more emission-intensive than previously thought and is likely contributing to more emissions than gasoline, a new study finds.

The study, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggests that the environmental benefits of the U.S. renewable fuel standard (RFS) remain unclear.

Under the Renewable Fuel Standard, oil refiners are required to blend growing amounts of renewable fuels into gasoline and diesel.

The RFS raised corn prices, which in turn expanded the land used for corn crops. This increases emissions from the conversion of land to corn crops, and raises fertilizer and water usage, says the study, funded in part by the National Wildlife Federation.

“These changes increased annual nationwide fertilizer use by 3 to 8%, increased water quality degradants by 3 to 5%, and caused enough domestic land use change emissions such that the carbon intensity of corn ethanol produced under the RFS is no less than gasoline and likely at least 24% higher,” the authors of the study write.

The study contradicts previous findings, including a study published in 2019 saying that the greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from corn ethanol are about 39 percent lower than gasoline on an energy equivalent basis.

Carbon capture and storage alongside biofuel production could play a role in holding global warming below 2 degrees Celsius, the latest study says.

“However, our findings confirm that contemporary corn ethanol production is unlikely to contribute to climate change mitigation,” the authors point out.

“Corn ethanol is not a climate-friendly fuel,” Tyler Lark, Assistant Scientist at University of Wisconsin-Madison Center for Sustainability and the Global Environment (SAGE) and lead author of the study, told Reuters.

According to the ethanol trade group, the Renewable Fuels Association, “the authors of this new paper precariously string together a series of worst-case assumptions, cherry-picked data, and disparate results from previously debunked studies to create a completely fictional and erroneous account of the environmental impacts of the Renewable Fuel Standard,” Geoff Cooper, RFA President and CEO, said in a statement.

Anti Federalist
02-19-2022, 08:15 PM
Of course, now that the fatwa against ICE cars has been declared, the truth can finally come out about corn ethanol.

Anti Globalist
02-20-2022, 08:50 AM
Will the Orange Man win out in the end?
Looks like this didn't age well.