What is the impeachment inquiry REALLY about? 2016? Ginsburg? Biden?

[eleganz]

With all the dirty politics, shady motives and secret deal making behind almost every political drama like the Ukraine impeachment story.

Let's see what the breakdown of what RPF thinks this is REALLY about, the motive behind the motive.

Its a multiple choice, you can vote for more than one option.


1) 2016/2020 Election : Reverse Trump's 2016 victory & Prevent 2020 victory.

2) SCOTUS : Soften Trump up in preparation for RBG's passing and replacement

3) DEM PRIMARIES : Get Biden out to clear a path for a stronger candidate like Warren/Harris?

4) DEEP STATE / CIA / Military Industrial Complex : OP to take out Trump?
- It isn't their first time
- 6 ways from Sunday to get you back
- No military response to Iran's actions
- whistleblower is CIA (second hand knowledge and CIA changed rules on information vetting process)
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/27/breaking-icig-whistleblower-form-recently-modified-to-permit-complaint-heard-from-others/

5)None of the above, I'll elaborate in the thread.

6) It doesn't matter, he should be impeached anyways.

[Swordsmyth]

4

And to immunize all Demoncrats from ever being investigated.

[enhanced_deficit]

Need to decipher the reported 'facts' bit more to know precisely. Based on what has been served in media headlines so far, quick guess would be some combination of these two factors:




Democratic Primaries
Deep State / CIA / MIC




Some factions of Deep State have had anti-MAGA bias since before 2016 elections and could be pushing this further after finding a new opening.
There have been reports of strong objections within agencies about MAGA giving top clearances to his son in law, daughter and their private meetings/communications with foreign leaders bypassing official departments. Likely same factions where behind so called 'Russia collusion' issue that has been beaten to death now and started after claims of MAGA insiders including his 'Russian' son-in-law meeting with the Russians to get dirt on HRC (allegedly). Some factions could also be unhappy about influence of Deep Zionism.
But one thing seems certain that there has been persistent anti MAGA bias under their version of 'America-First'.

[Aratus]

in a sense, whoever won in 2o16 faced the eventual prospect of a POTUS impeachment being in the works prior to January of 2o20.
i think that both major candidates were defined by their negative images, not their better or more able deeds and accomplishments.

[CaptainAmerica]

the u.s. supreme court is the real prize. Ginsberg is going to pass into the forgotten history of tyrants, I will be happy to see her replaced by a constitutionally sound supreme court judge. The prize is not just 1 judge, its 2 judges being appointed soon . Kavanaugh was only the beginning of good justices

[Pauls' Revere]

2016/2020

Pelosi & Dems threw Joe Biden under the bus to try and dig something up on Trump. Imho, it looks like Trump simply exposed the corruption of this Ukrainian natural gas company that Joe Biden and his son had business dealing in.

[Superfluous Man]

I like Paul Craig Roberts' observation in his LRC article today, which was that probably their biggest motivation comes from the investigative powers that having an open impeachment inquiry gives them.

[Anti Globalist]

It's about the fact that they still can't get over that Trump won the 2016 election.

[timosman]

https://twitter.com/steph93065/status/1177963322357903360

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[eleganz]

2016/2020

Pelosi & Dems threw Joe Biden under the bus to try and dig something up on Trump. Imho, it looks like Trump simply exposed the corruption of this Ukrainian natural gas company that Joe Biden and his son had business dealing in.

If true, and def. sounds plausible, what do you guys think are the chances Obama sanctioned the #BidenSacrifice ?



Then again theres this...I haven't thought it would be a possibility or I'd have put it in the poll. If they're going through this much effort simply to protect Biden when he might not even win the primary is a little out there for me, unless they plan to screw all the other candidates and red carpet Biden to the convention.


Whistleblower Complaint Now Looks Like Democrat Effort to Protect Joe Biden from Investigation…

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/19/whistleblower-complaint-now-looks-like-democrat-effort-to-protect-joe-biden-from-investigation/

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/energy.jpg

[dude58677]

1 and 4. The establishment is both shocked over the loss because they were that smug and because of the far reaching implications of a non-politician winning the White House.

[oyarde]

Not enough choices , I would go with All of the Above.

[Pauls' Revere]

If true, and def. sounds plausible, what do you guys think are the chances Obama sanctioned the #BidenSacrifice ?



Then again theres this...I haven't thought it would be a possibility or I'd have put it in the poll. If they're going through this much effort simply to protect Biden when he might not even win the primary is a little out there for me, unless they plan to screw all the other candidates and red carpet Biden to the convention.

This is more than just about Trump. Pelosi was silent on the issue (reluctant) for a long time. Calculating and consoling with those in her circle. They threw Biden under the bus to get to Trump. They both may go down when this all clears, but that's ok as far as they're concerned. I think its game over as far as the Dem primaries are concerned. Biden is toast. Warren will be the nominee. If both Biden and Trump lose this it becomes Pence v/s Warren. If Trump comes out scarred but still standing, he wins a second term and both houses turn red. This is a huge gamble and the 2020 election is in full effect and we haven't even reached Iowa.

[Pauls' Revere]

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/energy.jpg

+rep.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Swordsmyth again.

[UWDude]

Deep State is throwing bodies in front of the Trump Train. trying to stop it.

After Joe Biden's eye popped and his teeth fell out, they knew he was worthless now, so they disposed of him.

Hail*, President Elizabeth Warren.




*err, How!

[TER]

Trump administration is investigating the email records of dozens of current and former senior State Dept. officials who sent messages to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email


While claiming that the impeachment inquiry into alleged misconduct by Donald Trump is a “witch hunt,” the administration is focusing attention on investigating former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to a bombshell report published by The Washington Post on Saturday.

“The Trump administration is investigating the email records of dozens of current and former senior State Department officials who sent messages to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email, reviving a politically toxic matter that overshadowed the 2016 election, current and former officials said,” the paper reported.

The scope of the investigation is staggering.

“As many as 130 officials have been contacted in recent weeks by State Department investigators — a list that includes senior officials who reported directly to Clinton as well as others in lower-level jobs whose emails were at some point relayed to her inbox, said current and former State Department officials,” the paper noted. “Those targeted were notified that emails they sent years ago have been retroactively classified and now constitute potential security violations, according to letters reviewed by The Washington Post.”State Department investigators began contacting the former officials about 18 months ago, after President Trump’s election, and then seemed to drop the effort before picking it up in August, officials said.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/state-dept-intensifies-email-probe-of-hillary-clintons-former-aides/2019/09/28/9f15497e-e1f2-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html

Why are they starting the impeachment? Because the storm has arrived and they are in full PANIC mode.

[Pauls' Revere]

Trump administration is investigating the email records of dozens of current and former senior State Dept. officials who sent messages to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email


While claiming that the impeachment inquiry into alleged misconduct by Donald Trump is a “witch hunt,” the administration is focusing attention on investigating former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to a bombshell report published by The Washington Post on Saturday.

“The Trump administration is investigating the email records of dozens of current and former senior State Department officials who sent messages to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email, reviving a politically toxic matter that overshadowed the 2016 election, current and former officials said,” the paper reported.

The scope of the investigation is staggering.

“As many as 130 officials have been contacted in recent weeks by State Department investigators — a list that includes senior officials who reported directly to Clinton as well as others in lower-level jobs whose emails were at some point relayed to her inbox, said current and former State Department officials,” the paper noted. “Those targeted were notified that emails they sent years ago have been retroactively classified and now constitute potential security violations, according to letters reviewed by The Washington Post.”State Department investigators began contacting the former officials about 18 months ago, after President Trump’s election, and then seemed to drop the effort before picking it up in August, officials said.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/state-dept-intensifies-email-probe-of-hillary-clintons-former-aides/2019/09/28/9f15497e-e1f2-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html

Why are they starting the impeachment? Because the storm has arrived and they are in full PANIC mode.


Clinton body count is going to spike.

[UWDude]

Trump administration is investigating the email records of dozens of current and former senior State Dept. officials who sent messages to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email


While claiming that the impeachment inquiry into alleged misconduct by Donald Trump is a “witch hunt,” the administration is focusing attention on investigating former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to a bombshell report published by The Washington Post on Saturday.

“The Trump administration is investigating the email records of dozens of current and former senior State Department officials who sent messages to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email, reviving a politically toxic matter that overshadowed the 2016 election, current and former officials said,” the paper reported.

The scope of the investigation is staggering.

“As many as 130 officials have been contacted in recent weeks by State Department investigators — a list that includes senior officials who reported directly to Clinton as well as others in lower-level jobs whose emails were at some point relayed to her inbox, said current and former State Department officials,” the paper noted. “Those targeted were notified that emails they sent years ago have been retroactively classified and now constitute potential security violations, according to letters reviewed by The Washington Post.”State Department investigators began contacting the former officials about 18 months ago, after President Trump’s election, and then seemed to drop the effort before picking it up in August, officials said.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/state-dept-intensifies-email-probe-of-hillary-clintons-former-aides/2019/09/28/9f15497e-e1f2-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html

Why are they starting the impeachment? Because the storm has arrived and they are in full PANIC mode.

My turn.

[Swordsmyth]

My turn.
"You arrogant Ass, You've killed US!"

[Working Poor]

I think it is just a cover up of what they are really doing and not telling us about. Kind of like that stuff with Bill and Monica.

[Dr.3D]

I think it is just a cover up of what they are really doing and not telling us about. Kind of like that stuff with Bill and Monica.
Yep, that was a cover for Chinagate.

[Pauls' Revere]

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/energy.jpg

Fascinating and sick at the same time.
https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/is-the-fight-over-a-gas-pipeline-fuelling-the-worlds-bloodiest-conflict/news-story/74efcba9554c10bd35e280b63a9afb74

From 2015.

As David Dalton, the editor of the Economist Intelligence Unit, told The New York Times: “Russia has always used gas as an instrument of influence. The more you owe Gazprom, the more they think they can turn the screws.”
Much of Russia’s power comes from established pipelines used to transport gas to Europe cheaply. But other countries are now trying to get around Russia and provide new sources of gas to Europe.
Last year US President Barack Obama spoke openly about the need for Europe to reduce its reliance on Russian gas following the conflict in Ukraine.

[Swordsmyth]

Fascinating and sick at the same time.
https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/is-the-fight-over-a-gas-pipeline-fuelling-the-worlds-bloodiest-conflict/news-story/74efcba9554c10bd35e280b63a9afb74

From 2015.

As David Dalton, the editor of the Economist Intelligence Unit, told The New York Times: “Russia has always used gas as an instrument of influence. The more you owe Gazprom, the more they think they can turn the screws.”
Much of Russia’s power comes from established pipelines used to transport gas to Europe cheaply. But other countries are now trying to get around Russia and provide new sources of gas to Europe.
Last year US President Barack Obama spoke openly about the need for Europe to reduce its reliance on Russian gas following the conflict in Ukraine.
And Germany made the problem so much worse by killing coal and nuclear.

So climate change is already causing wars and killing lots of people.;)

[Working Poor]

Yep, that was a cover for Chinagate.

Hell yea it was.

[UWDude]

You mean they are going after Hillary Clinton?
That was announced the next day after the Ukraine brew ha ha started.
John Roberts strikes again?
Perhaps.

[Swordsmyth]

You mean they are going after Hillary Clinton?
That was announced the next day after the Ukraine brew ha ha started.
John Roberts strikes again?
Perhaps.
If RBG is replaced Roberts will be neutralized.

[UWDude]

If RBG is replaced Roberts will be neutralized.

Maybe he'll change his mind about the ACA being a tax first.

[UWDude]

If RBG is replaced Roberts will be neutralized.

Oh, I meant John Miller. XD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudonyms_of_Donald_Trump

Are these impeachable offenses?

[Swordsmyth]

You mean they are going after Hillary Clinton?
That was announced the next day after the Ukraine brew ha ha started.
John Roberts strikes again?
Perhaps.


Oh, I meant John Miller. XD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudonyms_of_Donald_Trump

Trump or an associate could be behind some leaks.
Trump may have arranged some leaks to the "whistleblower" too.


Are these impeachable offenses?
Amash would think so.

[acptulsa]

It's a distraction. A distraction. A good distraction isn't about something vaguely related. It's about something completely different.

Q: What does Monica Lewinsky have to do with Chinagate? A: I know who Lewinsky is. WTF is Chinagate?

Get it? Never mind. I know you partisans don't get it. Partisanship is a tool, you partisans are tools, you think there are more important things than the creeping enslavement, and you make one hell of a lot of noise.

New 9/11/01 developments? The Epstein debacle? Something we haven't heard about yet, but will soon? All of the above and more?

This?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?539689-Clinton-email-probe-kicks-off-this-week

What if anyone who blathers about impeachment--pro or con--is helping Hillary Clinton escape jail? What if there was an impeachment, and no one paid attention--everyone stayed focused on important things?

[eleganz]

If the email investigations is the case...

Is losing the house and 2020 WH worth the sacrifice to save Hilary's face?

[Swordsmyth]

If the email investigations is the case...

Is losing the house and 2020 WH worth the sacrifice to save Hilary's face?
Somebody thinks so, but it won't even save her.

[eleganz]

Finally something from RPI that Ron actually wrote himself, or at least approved under his name.





Impeachment…or CIA Coup?
written by ron paul
monday september 30, 2019

You don’t need to be a supporter of President Trump to be concerned about the efforts to remove him from office. Last week House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced impeachment proceedings against the President over a phone call made to the President of Ukraine. According to the White House record of the call, the President asked his Ukrainian counterpart to look into whether there is any evidence of Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 election and then mentioned that a lot of people were talking about how former US Vice President Joe Biden stopped the prosecution of his son who was under investigation for corruption in Ukraine.

Democrats, who spent more than two years convinced that “Russiagate” would enable them to remove Trump from office only to have their hopes dashed by the Mueller Report, now believe they have their smoking gun in this phone call.

It this about politics? Yes. But there may be more to it than that.

It may appear that the Democratic Party, furious over Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss, is the driving force behind this ongoing attempt to remove Donald Trump from office, but at every turn we see the fingerprints of the CIA and its allies in the US deep state.

In August 2016, a former acting director of the CIA, Mike Morell, wrote an extraordinary article in the New York Times accusing Donald Trump of being an “agent of the Russian Federation.” Morell was clearly using his intelligence career as a way of bolstering his claim that Trump was a Russian spy – after all, the CIA should know such a thing! But the claim was a lie.

Former CIA director John Brennan accused President Trump of “treason” and of “being in the pocket of Putin” for meeting with the Russian president in Helsinki and accepting his word that Russia did not meddle in the US election. To this day there has yet to be any evidence presented that the Russian government did interfere. Brennan openly called on “patriotic” Republicans to act against this “traitor.”

Brennan and his deep state counterparts James Comey at the FBI and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper launched an operation, using what we now know is the fake Steele dossier, to spy on the Trump presidential campaign and even attempt to entrap Trump campaign employees.

Notice a pattern here?

Now we hear that the latest trigger for impeachment is a CIA officer assigned to the White House who filed a “whistleblower” complaint against the president over something he heard from someone else that the president said in the Ukraine phone call.

Shockingly, according to multiple press reports the rules for CIA whistleblowing were recently changed, dropping the requirement that the whistleblower have direct, first-hand knowledge of the wrongdoing. Just before this complaint was filed, the rule-change allowed hearsay or second-hand information to be accepted. That seems strange.

As it turns out, the CIA “whistleblower” lurking around the White House got the important things wrong, as there was no quid pro quo discussed and there was no actual request to investigate Biden or his son.

The Democrats have suddenly come out in praise of whistleblowers – well not exactly. Pelosi still wants to prosecute actual whistleblower Ed Snowden. But she’s singing the praises of this fake CIA “whistleblower.”

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer once warned Trump that if “you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.” It’s hard not to ask whether this is a genuine impeachment effort…or a CIA coup!

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2019/september/30/impeachment-or-cia-coup/

[CoastieInColorado]

Hillary will announce soon, even Fox has been running her garbage for the last week, and promoting her new book.

It will be her only "defense" because she'll be implicated in Ukraine too(he's only attacking me because I'm running against him, just as Biden is trying now).

[Swordsmyth]

Hillary will announce soon, even Fox has been running her garbage for the last week, and promoting her new book.

It will be her only "defense" because she'll be implicated in Ukraine too(he's only attacking me because I'm running against him, just as Biden is trying now).

And it was her turn.

[CoastieInColorado]

And it was her turn.

Indeed, how could I forget, Comrade...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glgEDp76Kd0

[r3volution 3.0]

It's red meat for Dem politics (just as, for instance, Benghazi was for the GOP); they know it's going nowhere. They're also playing with fire. As helpful as the impeachment narrative might be for internal Dem politics, it's not going to help them in the general, and might be a net loss, since it's also red meat for GOPers (the most popular response in the poll is that the Deep State™ is trying to impeach Trump).

[Swordsmyth]

Trump administration is investigating the email records of dozens of current and former senior State Dept. officials who sent messages to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email


While claiming that the impeachment inquiry into alleged misconduct by Donald Trump is a “witch hunt,” the administration is focusing attention on investigating former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to a bombshell report published by The Washington Post on Saturday.

“The Trump administration is investigating the email records of dozens of current and former senior State Department officials who sent messages to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email, reviving a politically toxic matter that overshadowed the 2016 election, current and former officials said,” the paper reported.

The scope of the investigation is staggering.

“As many as 130 officials have been contacted in recent weeks by State Department investigators — a list that includes senior officials who reported directly to Clinton as well as others in lower-level jobs whose emails were at some point relayed to her inbox, said current and former State Department officials,” the paper noted. “Those targeted were notified that emails they sent years ago have been retroactively classified and now constitute potential security violations, according to letters reviewed by The Washington Post.”State Department investigators began contacting the former officials about 18 months ago, after President Trump’s election, and then seemed to drop the effort before picking it up in August, officials said.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/state-dept-intensifies-email-probe-of-hillary-clintons-former-aides/2019/09/28/9f15497e-e1f2-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html

Why are they starting the impeachment? Because the storm has arrived and they are in full PANIC mode.

Judicial Watch announced today that the State Department provided a previously hidden email which shows that top State Department officials used and were aware of Hillary Clinton’s email account (https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/judicial-watch-court-forces-release-of-clinton-wikileaks-discussion-email-that-confirms-state-department-knew-about-her-email-account/)

[eleganz]

Shhhhhhhifty Schiff

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[r3volution 3.0]

Shhhhhhhifty Schiff

1179457662414675968

I like how the politicians give the other politicians silly names.

#Fun!

https://media.giphy.com/media/13k1e8OMVO2a3K/giphy.gif

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1179962400554008576

1179962400554008576

[timosman]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1179962400554008576

https://twitter.com/albert1776/status/1179965046409052160

1179965046409052160


Can Zippy do that? :confused:

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/albert1776/status/1179965046409052160

1179965046409052160


Can Zippy do that? :confused:
Zippy is at the mud pie level.