Amash: ‘Highly Incriminating Transcript’ of Ukraine Phone Call Justifies Trump’s Impeachment [Archive]

enhanced_deficit

09-25-2019, 03:31 PM

Palestinian-American Congressman Justin Amash (I-MI) continues to wage a legislative Jihad against President Donald Trump, claiming that the contents of the rough transcript of his phone call with Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky released earlier today were “highly incriminating.”
Yesterday, I had expected the WH to release an unremarkable transcript to distract from the main issues: the whistleblower complaint and other abuses. Today, it released a highly incriminating transcript, and it seems POTUS doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) September 25, 2019 (https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1176918531746729988?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

Won't be surprised if there is bit of misplaced anger behind such calls. Amash is Palestinian Christian, even if he is upset with Deep Zionism or respeected neoconservtive's influence over MAGA veezavee US taxpayers funded Israeli settlements, Israel embassy move, Golan Heights etc, why take it on MAGA in this way?

But this could become a problem if other GOP Christians started joining liberal Dems also.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/icons/icon13.png House launches Trump impeachment inquiry , Only 4th time in history (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?539526-House-launches-Trump-impeachment-inquiry-Only-4th-time-in-history&)

Trump then says, "There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, what Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great.”

“Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution, so if you can look into it, It sounds horrible to me,” Trump said on the call, according to the transcript.

Zelenskiy replies that he’s appointing a new prosecutor who will “look into the situation.”

Volodymyr Zelensky, the Donald Trump of Ukrainian Politics?
May 08, 2019
Both received support from major Jewish economic players with close ties to Israel (Igor Kolomoysky in Ukraine, Sheldon Adelson in the United States), with Trump subsequently repaying that debt of gratitude by transferring the US embassy to Jerusalem, designating it as the capital of Israel, and recognizing the annexation of the Golan Heights.

Controversial memes about donors of Ukraine leader and Trump surface in social media

https://pics.me.me/ultra-zionist-sheldon-adelson-move-embassy-yessir-drop-iran-deal-yessir-36119359.png

May 14, 2018
Mega-donor Adelson, with access and influence, scores two pro-Israel victories (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article211098039.html)
These are heady days for casino billionaire and megadonor Sheldon Adelson.
A passionate and hawkish advocate for Israel with close ties to its prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, Adelson was in Jerusalem today for a celebration of the U.S. embassy’s relocation to that city, a longstanding priority for the mogul. Similarly, Adelson had pushed hard for President Donald Trump to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal, which happened last week.
And the day after that announcement, Adelson quietly slipped into the White House for a private meeting with Trump and three top administration officials: Vice President Mike Pence, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and an Adelson favorite, National Security Adviser John Bolton, according to two conservative sources familiar with the previously unreported private event.

America-First: Trump's top funder Adelson wants his children to serve in Israeli military (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TFi-9wnspk)

Top-neocon reverses course, says Trump's ‘most pro-Israel president ever’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?531152-Top-neocon-reverses-course-says-Trump-s-‘most-pro-Israel-president-ever’&)

Anti Globalist

09-25-2019, 04:22 PM

I can't tell if Justin really believes what hes saying or if the Deep State is threatening to kill him so he has no choice but to come out and say these things.

phill4paul

09-25-2019, 04:34 PM

I can't tell if Justin really believes what hes saying or if the Deep State is threatening to kill him so he has no choice but to come out and say these things.

He's contracted T.D.S. It's the belief that by being vocal against Trump in any and everything will endear you to millions.

Anti Globalist

09-25-2019, 04:36 PM

He's contracted T.D.S. It's the belief that by being vocal against Trump in any and everything will endear you to millions.
Then somebody needs to come up with a cure right away or I don't see Justin lasting much longer.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 04:47 PM

He's contracted T.D.S. It's the belief that by being vocal against Trump in any and everything will endear you to millions.

Or his China connections are telling him what he must say if he wants to continue to benefit from their support. (in politics or business)

PursuePeace

09-25-2019, 04:48 PM

I can't tell if Justin really believes what hes saying or if the Deep State is threatening to kill him so he has no choice but to come out and say these things.

You read my mind thoughts.
What the heck is going on with Amash?

angelatc

09-25-2019, 05:15 PM

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 05:24 PM

Swordsmyth has Amash derangement syndrome.

Trump is a warmonger who is making government bigger, Amash is a Libertarian.

"Palestinian-American?" Since when did "we" start using racial tags to identify him? Did you think we don't know who he is?

$#@! you.

It's not my article and Amash is indefensible yet again, stop worshiping the man and discuss the facts.
He has gone nuts and sold out to the Demoncrats.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 05:37 PM

It's not my article and Amash is indefensible yet again, stop worshiping the man and discuss the facts.
He has gone nits and sold out to the Demoncrats.

Fine - here are some facts: I know who you are. And I know who Shane is, and I know how you're both tied to that website.

IN politics, the only facts that matter are voting records and legislation passed. Amash's voting record is impeccable. Certainly not Liberal or Democratic.

Trump has made government bigger, has not brought any troops home, has banned guns, and has in general accomplished pretty much the exact opposite of the platform he ran on.

So by all means, let's discuss facts.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 05:53 PM

Fine - here are some facts: I know who you are. And I know who Shane is, and I know how you're both tied to that website.
You have no idea who I am and I am not "tied to that website", I just read it.
You are attempting to make this about the messenger because the facts are against you.

IN politics, the only facts that matter are voting records and legislation passed.
LOL
That's nonsense and you wouldn't let some other politician you don't worship get away with the kinds of deranged lies Amash is telling.

Amash's voting record is impeccable. Certainly not Liberal or Democratic.
I have recognized that many times and bemoaned the loss of such a voting record because he is destroying his career.

Trump has made government bigger, has not brought any troops home, has banned guns, and has in general accomplished pretty much the exact opposite of the platform he ran on.
Trump has done LOTS of good things and what is more important is that anyone who replaces him after an impeachment will be MUCH worse and that the idiotic reasons Amash has endorsed for impeachment are lies that will actually help Trump be reelected while destroying Amash and feeding the growth of the deranged left.

So by all means, let's discuss facts.
Please do, I'm waiting for you to start.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 06:09 PM

You have no idea who I am and I am not "tied to that website", I just read it.
You are attempting to make this about the messenger because the facts are against you. That is the opposite of a fact - that is a lie.

LOL
That's nonsense and you wouldn't let some other politician you don't worship get away with the kinds of deranged lies Amash is telling.

I have recognized that many times and bemoaned the loss of such a voting record because he is destroying his career.

Trump has done LOTS of good things and what is more important is that anyone who replaces him after an impeachment will be MUCH worse and that the idiotic reasons Amash has endorsed for impeachment are lies that will actually help Trump be reelected while destroying Amash and feeding the growth of the deranged left.

Please do, I'm waiting for you to start.

There is not a single fact in anything you posted. It's all hysterical fanboy conjecture and opinion. The facts show that Trump does not have a Libertarian record. He has a moderate Democrat voting record.

Amash has a very Libertarian voting record.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 06:14 PM

That is the opposite of a fact - that is a lie.

There is not a single fact in anything you posted. It's all hysterical fanboy conjecture and opinion. The facts show that Trump does not have a Libertarian record. He has a moderate Democrat voting record.

Amash has a very Libertarian voting record.
You are the one who is trying to change the subject and focus on the messenger because the facts are against you.
You can't defend Amash about this so you just chant: SWORDSMYTH BAD! ORANGE MAN BAD! SHANE TREJO BAD!

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 06:23 PM

eleganz

09-25-2019, 06:49 PM

Come on people

Even Ron Paul knows its BS, its very clear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shofA9auofk

angelatc

09-25-2019, 06:59 PM

Amash is endorsing the idiotic idea that foreign countries aren't allowed to say anything about our politicians and that politicians (or maybe just Demoncrats) are immune from being investigated for their overseas corruption.

As always, cheap smears. Anything to make people look away from the inconvenient facts: voting record indicate that Amash has a far better record at defending the Constitution and freedom than Trump does.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 07:11 PM

He's contracted T.D.S. It's the belief that by being vocal against Trump in any and everything will endear you to millions.

That's not it. If you think Justin is in politics because he wants to be popular, you haven't been paying attention. But it's not something we can even discuss here, because Swordsmyth ruins every single thread with his relentless Trump-humping.

The Trump wing of the party won, the freedom wing lost.

And they beat us at our own game. We were the people that figured out how valuable social media was when most people didn't even have a Facebook account. Turns out Trump is better at that too, though. He kicked our asses, no doubt about it.

Because we don't have the spines needed to do what needs to be done, even on the internet.

Sword is a useful idiot, a True Believer, spreading the word and collecting his check.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 07:12 PM

As always, cheap smears. Anything to make people look away from the inconvenient facts: voting record indicate that Amash has a far better record at defending the Constitution and freedom than Trump does.
You can't defend what he is saying so you change the subject.

Try discussing the impeachment and whether he is right, that's what this thread is about.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 07:15 PM

That's not it. If you think Justin is in politics because he wants to be popular, you haven't been paying attention. But it's not something we can even discuss here, because Swordsmyth ruins every single thread with his relentless Trump-humping.

The Trump wing of the party won, the freedom wing lost.

And they beat us at our own game. We were the people that figured out how valuable social media was when most people didn't even have a Facebook account. Turns out Trump is better at that too, though. He kicked our asses, no doubt about it.

Because we don't have the spines needed to do what needs to be done, even on the internet.

Sword is a useful idiot, a True Believer, spreading the word and collecting his check.
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angelatc

09-25-2019, 07:20 PM

But it's not something we can even discuss here, because Swordsmyth ruins every single thread with his relentless Trump-humping.

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And like cockwork.....

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 07:23 PM

And like cockwork.....
Try discussing the impeachment.
Tell me why Amash is right.
Tell me how Trump asking a foreign country to investigate a crime committed by Biden is an impeachable offense.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 07:31 PM

Try discussing the impeachment.
Tell me why Amash is right.
Tell me how Trump asking a foreign country to investigate a crime committed by Biden is an impeachable offense.

Right after you tell me why I should give a single fuck about Trump. Amash has a great voting record. Trump grew the government, wants to prosecute Snowden, is on the verge of starting a war in Iran, is sending troops to Saudi Arabia (the very thing that pissed Bin Laden off so much), signed off again on NSA surveillance....

I don't care if they impeach him, I don't care if they don't. What I do care about is seeing "Palestinian-American" Amash and his apparently unacceptable opinions being used as a tool to destroy the very last vestiges of the movement by the MAGA crowd here on these forums.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 07:34 PM

And they beat us at our own game. .

Still are too.
Because haters suck at it.
The more you talk, the more you lose.

Sucks to be you, dude.

dannno

09-25-2019, 07:34 PM

As always, cheap smears. Anything to make people look away from the inconvenient facts: voting record indicate that Amash has a far better record at defending the Constitution and freedom than Trump does.

This comment will look silly in a few years, I predict.

When Trump pretty much singlehandedly takes out the Satanic Deep State Cabal that rules our country and starts all of these wars you are complaining about, a few votes in the House that didn't make any difference from a practical standpoint by Amash will pale in comparison.

The problem is, we NEED Amash, Rand and Massie to help put this country back together and steer us in the right direction after Trump clears the way. Amash appears to be fucking that part of the plan up. But we will see, hopefully he wins his election.

dude58677

09-25-2019, 07:34 PM

Fine - here are some facts: I know who you are. And I know who Shane is, and I know how you're both tied to that website.

IN politics, the only facts that matter are voting records and legislation passed. Amash's voting record is impeccable. Certainly not Liberal or Democratic.

Trump has made government bigger, has not brought any troops home, has banned guns, and has in general accomplished pretty much the exact opposite of the platform he ran on.

So by all means, let's discuss facts.

It’s easy to be antiestablishment when you know your votes won’t change anything in Congress. So the real question should be is what would happen if Justin Amash were President? He would still have the Deep State blocking his agenda. He would leave office and another career politician would take his place and things would return to the way they were before he took office. Now Donald Trump winning in 2016 opens the possibility of a non-politician libertarian coming along and reducing government and career politicians quitting or being voted out as career politics is unmarketable. So in the long run Donald Trump changed America for the better even if he makes things slightly worse in the short run.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 07:35 PM

destroy the very last vestiges of the movement by the MAGA crowd here on these forums.

Very last vestiges? There is still Massie, Rand, and of course the conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers, who grow in numbers every day. Especially after the Epstein suicide.

dannno

09-25-2019, 07:37 PM

Trump....is on the verge of starting a war...sending troops to..

If I had a satoshi for every time I've seen this statement being made over the last few years, I'd be a bitcoin millionaire.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 07:39 PM

Right after you tell me why I should give a single $#@! about Trump. Amash has a great voting record. Trump grew the government, wants to prosecute Snowden, is on the verge of starting a war in Iran, is sending troops to Saudi Arabia (the very thing that pissed Bin Laden off so much), signed off again on NSA surveillance....

I don't care if they impeach him, I don't care if they don't. What I do care about is seeing "Palestinian-American" Amash and his apparently unacceptable opinions being used as a tool to destroy the very last vestiges of the movement by the MAGA crowd here on these forums.
You are making your TDS obvious to all, you would defend Amash if he shot Trump on live TV.
Amash is helping the narrative that investigating Demoncrat crimes is treason, the Demoncrats are far worse than Trump and so is anyone who would replace Trump after impeachment.
You are also defending Amash's career suicide that is going to deprive us of his voting record and help Trump (who you hate) be reelected.

You have shown before and you are showing again that you don't care about lies or prosecutorial misconduct as long as the target is someone you hate, you are little better than the left.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 07:41 PM

angelatc

09-25-2019, 07:42 PM

Very last vestiges? There is still Massie, Rand, and of course the conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers, who grow in numbers every day. Especially after the Epstein suicide.

I wonder which one of them the Trumpettes will aim for next? Probably Massie, because he's got a lot of personality.

dannno

09-25-2019, 07:42 PM

Right after you tell me why I should give a single fuck about Trump.

Read the transcript of the phone call. That's why. Trump is amazing. He is making the whole world a million times better, we can see it happening every day. The phone call is a perfect example of everything he is doing right.

Ya, the policies are a little all over the place, although generally heading in the right direction - with the exception of spending.. But we got lower taxes, fewer regulations, more conservative judges and no new wars.

The problem is, we will get NOWHERE on policies until the Satanic Deep State Cabal is out. I know you don't believe in the Satanic Deep State Cabal, but it's there, trust me, and they are flipping out and flailing right now because they are going down and they don't know what to do.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 07:48 PM

I wonder which one of them the Trumpettes will aim for next? Probably Massie, because he's got a lot of personality.

Massie isn't dumb enough to participate in Russian Collusion and Ukrainian quid-pro-quo coup attempts, so sorry to ruin your nihilistic fantasies.

Amash is clearly just plain stupid.

Luckily for us freedom haters, he will lose his seat to some leftist or neocon, and then anti-trump freedom will reign.

Hey, maybe that is his strategy, he thinks like the lot of haters, and "doesn't care" *wink wink* if Trump gets impeached, so he loses his seat to a pro-impeachment, anti-gun, anti-freedom candidate, and everybody wins... because...

George S. Patton, the little shit isn't.

Fuck Amash.

When he did not vote for impeachment, after flapping his jaws, I thought he had redeemed himself.

Nope, once a douche, always a douche, until used, tossed away and forgotten, just like he will be.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 07:55 PM

angelatc

09-25-2019, 08:11 PM

Massie isn't dumb enough to participate in Russian Collusion and Ukrainian quid-pro-quo coup attempts, so sorry to ruin your nihilistic fantasies.

Amash is clearly just plain stupid.

Luckily for us freedom haters, he will lose his seat to some leftist or neocon, and then anti-trump freedom will reign.

Hey, maybe that is his strategy, he thinks like the lot of haters, and "doesn't care" *wink wink* if Trump gets impeached, so he loses his seat to a pro-impeachment, anti-gun, anti-freedom candidate, and everybody wins... because...

George S. Patton, the little shit isn't.

Fuck Amash.

When he did not vote for impeachment, after flapping his jaws, I thought he had redeemed himself.

Nope, once a douche, always a douche, until used, tossed away and forgotten, just like he will be.

And that's why Libertarians always lose. On the right, we have people who stand by Trump no matter what he does. Oh sure, he's wrong on spending, and foreign policy, and gun control, and vaping, and Snowden, and drones, and other things, but by golly, he's making "Merka great again! Meanwhile, Amash is right on all those things, but he's an idiot who deserves to get voted out because he doesn't hold the MAGA opinion, instead siding with other known crackpots like Judge Napolitano.

We need to protect Trump no matter what he does, because the next guy will be worse. Amash deserves to lose his seat, even though the next guy will be worse. And Sword is here to make sure we know exactly how much Amash hates Trump. Trump would rather have a Democrat in that seat than a Libertarian Republican.

Fuck Amash, fuck Freedom, fuck it all. With friends like Trump, we don't need anybody else

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 08:15 PM

And that's why Libertarians always lose. On the right, we have people who stand by Trump no matter what he does. Oh sure, he's wrong on spending, and foreign policy, and gun control, and vaping, and Snowden, and drones, and other things, but by golly, he's making "Merka great again! Meanwhile, Amash is right on all those things, but he's an idiot who deserves to get voted out because he doesn't hold the MAGA opinion, instead siding with other known crackpots like Judge Napolitano.

We need to protect Trump no matter what he does, because the next guy will be worse. Amash deserves to lose his seat, even though the next guy will be worse. And Sword is here to make sure we know exactly how much Amash hates Trump.

$#@! Amash, $#@! Freedom, $#@! it all.
Amash is helping to destroy the rule of law, the foundation on which liberty is built.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 08:24 PM

1176609978569900033https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1176609978569900033

UWDude

09-25-2019, 08:26 PM

Amash is right on all those things, but he's an idiot who deserves to get voted out because he doesn't hold the MAGA opinion,

No, I think we have made it quite clear why Amash is a fucking idiot. It has nothing to do with MAGA opinion. Rand and Massie defy MAGA opinion all the time.

It is because Amash participated in the Russian Collusion coup attempt, and now he is participating in the impeach trump for Hunter Biden's crimes coup attempt.

So, please, rant some more, so I can re-iterate my talking point, and show what a stupid lunatic you actually are.
You believe the narrative, and you fight within the narrative. That is why you lose.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 08:27 PM

1176609978569900033https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1176609978569900033
Garbage.

Where was he when O'Bummer implemented DACA etc.?

Name a crime and explain it or stop making a fool of yourself and committing career suicide, Justin.

"Orange Man Bad" is not an impeachable offense.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 08:29 PM

No, I think we have made it quite clear why Amash is a fucking idiot. It has nothing to do with MAGA opinion. Rand and Massie defy MAGA opinion all the time.

.

The point remains that Trump is also a fucking idiot. But he doesn't vote with us on very much at all. So impeach him, don't impeach him, I don't care. He's just another guy who promised us less spending and less war, but has delivered the opposite.

Amash has stayed true to the Constitution.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 08:30 PM

No, I think we have made it quite clear why Amash is a $#@!ing idiot. It has nothing to do with MAGA opinion. Rand and Massie defy MAGA opinion all the time.

It is because Massie Amash participated in the Russian Collusion coup attempt, and now he is participating in the impeach trump for Hunter Biden's crimes coup attempt.

So, please, rant some more, so I can re-iterate my talking point, and show what a stupid lunatic you actually are.
You believe the narrative, and you fight within the narrative. That is why you lose.
Fixed it.

It's about the rule of law and the deepstate coup, Amash is on the side of the deepstate whether knowingly or out of stupidity, he wants to impeach the best POTUS we have had since Coolidge to be replaced with someone much worse over garbage accusations that enthrone Demoncrats as our permanent overlords and leave the rule of law a smoldering heap.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 08:31 PM

The point remains that Trump is also a $#@!ing idiot. But he doesn't vote with us on very much at all. So impeach him, don't impeach him, I don't care. He's just another guy who promised us less spending and less war, but has delivered the opposite.

Amash has stayed true.
Amash has betrayed the rule of law and embraced the deepstate.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 08:32 PM

Amash has stayed true to the Constitution.

Except the part about impeachment.

On that he just makes shit up.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 08:36 PM

Amash has betrayed the rule of law and embraced the deepstate.

In the meantime, we see now why it would be impossible for Trump to throw any of these establishment pricks in jail, even though they all deserve it, even though it is his constitutional job to uphold the law. As predicted before, anybody he tries to "lock up" for their crimes will be met by howls from Traitors like Justin of "he's jailing his political opponents"

THATS WHAT TRUMP SHOULD BE DOING!

TRUMP THROWING JOE AND HIS SON IN PRISON WOULD NOT BE ABUSING THE PRESIDENCY, IT WOULD BE UPHOLDING HIS OATH OF OFFICE.

Again

Fuck Justin Amash.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 08:39 PM

Except the part about impeachment.

On that he just makes shit up.

He is a lawyer. He made a legal case, citing the constitution, and explained why he thought there were grounds for the obstruction charge. I understand that you reached a different conclusion, but not relevant. The point is, he made a case. That's not quite the same as just making "shit up."

Anyway, I'm done here. Arguing with the Trump humpers is exactly the same as arguing with the neocons. They wanted to spread greatness, too.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 08:39 PM

I don't care.

You losers and haters keep saying that, when it is clear you have a huge hate boner for Trump, and want him impeached. Just like Justin does.

There is truly no regard for what comes next, it's all just hatred and desire to see Trump fall.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 08:41 PM

In the meantime, we see now why it would be impossible for Trump to throw any of these establishment pricks in jail, even though they all deserve it, even though it is his constitutional job to uphold the law. As predicted before, anybody he tries to "lock up" for their crimes will be met by howls from Traitors like Justin of "he's jailing his political opponents"

THATS WHAT TRUMP SHOULD BE DOING!

TRUMP THROWING JOE AND HIS SON IN PRISON WOULD NOT BE ABUSING THE PRESIDENCY, IT WOULD BE UPHOLDING HIS OATH OF OFFICE.

Again

$#@! Justin Amash.
When he is ready he will do it anyway and we might just see people like Amash exposed as part of the conspiracy and get prosecuted too.
Those who are the loudest have the most to lose.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 08:41 PM

He is a lawyer. He made a legal case, citing the constitution, and explained why he thought there were grounds for the obstruction charge. I understand that you reached a different conclusion, but not relevant. The point is, he made a case. That's not quite the same as just making "$#@! up."

Anyway, I'm done here. Arguing with the Trump humpers is exactly the same as arguing with the neocons. They wanted to spread greatness, too.
He made up garbage and it got torn to pieces.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 08:42 PM

He is a lawyer.

fuck him then. I know for narrative worshipers as yourself, lawyer is a good thing, but for the people in the real world, being a lawyer is not a plus.

He made a legal case, citing the constitution, and explained why he thought there were grounds for the obstruction charge. I understand that you reached a different conclusion, but not relevant. The point is, he made a case. That's not quite the same as just making "$#@! up."

Its the same thing when the case is based on making shit up.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 08:50 PM

fuck him then. I know for narrative worshipers as yourself, lawyer is a good thing, but for the people in the real world, being a lawyer is not a plus.

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Well, I guess I am not done here.

A constitutionalist who wants smaller government, less debt and less war is now considered a "narrative worshiper" by a guy who is beyond pissed that Amash didn't embrace the GOP's narrative.

Heh

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 08:51 PM

Well, I guess I am not done here.

A constitutionalist who wants smaller government, less debt and less war is now considered a "narrative worshiper" by a guy who is beyond pissed that Amash didn't embrace the GOP's narrative.

Heh

He embraced the Demoncrat narrative, that's all anyone needs to know about him or you.

tfurrh

09-25-2019, 08:57 PM

If I had a satoshi for every time I've seen this statement being made over the last few years, I'd be a bitcoin millionaire.

I don't know what this means.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 08:59 PM

Well, I guess I am not done here.

I knew you weren't.
Because you are full of shit.

All talk, no walk.
You think you walk, when all you do is talk.

dannno

09-25-2019, 09:00 PM

I don't know what this means.

The part about bitcoin or the part about Trump constantly being accused of being on the verge of war with ___ or putting troops ____ but it never coming to fruition?

UWDude

09-25-2019, 09:06 PM

A constitutionalist who wants smaller government, less debt and less war is now considered a "narrative worshiper" by a guy who is beyond pissed that Amash didn't embrace the GOP's narrative.

You've dedicated your signature to fighting the very unimportant and insignificant anti-vaxxers.
Especially as far as "allies of freedom" is concerned.

Nobody's life is going to be better if Trump gets impeached.
It is wishing for nightmares.
Think about that long and hard tonight, Ms. Angela, saviour of humanity, and woman with all the answers, oh Goddess of Wisdom.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 09:09 PM

If I had a satoshi for every time I've seen this statement being made over the last few years, I'd be a bitcoin millionaire.

Specific troops movements aren't generally public. Trump stated he was sending troops to Saudi Arabia. The Pentagon announced they were deploying our forces to Saudi Arabia (https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour/watch/trump-sending-troops-to-saudi-arabia-after-oil-site-attacks-69541445562). The military news is reporting we are sending troops to Saudi Arabia (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/19/us-troops-returning-saudi-arabia-amid-threats-iran.html). At what point will you believe we are sending troops to Saudi Arabia?

After the next terrorist attack, when some Muslim extremist gets pissed that we have troops on Saudi soil? I mean, doesn't any of this sound familiar to anybody else?

UWDude

09-25-2019, 09:09 PM

And if any of you truly want these nightmares to come true, you summon those warriors of hatred.
Let your hatred of Trump flow.

You will awaken the warriors in the shadows. Your nightmares will come true.
Your victory short-lived.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 09:13 PM

You've dedicated your signature to fighting the very unimportant and insignificant anti-vaxxers.
Especially as far as "allies of freedom" is concerned.
And it puts her on the side of the tyrants, kind of like Amash is on their side in spite of his voting record.

Her disregard for the rule of law and her support of Amash about impeachment make sense once you realize she is a tyrant at heart, she just thinks she would be a benevolent tyrant and grant liberty to her subjects, she and R3v should make a club. (Note: the tyrants at heart never stay benevolent, they always find some issue where they decide it is so important that they must force their will on people, especially people they don't like.)

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 09:15 PM

Specific troops movements aren't generally public. Trump stated he was sending troops to Saudi Arabia. The Pentagon announced they were deploying our forces to Saudi Arabia (https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour/watch/trump-sending-troops-to-saudi-arabia-after-oil-site-attacks-69541445562). The military news is reporting we are sending troops to Saudi Arabia (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/19/us-troops-returning-saudi-arabia-amid-threats-iran.html). At what point will you believe we are sending troops to Saudi Arabia?

After the next terrorist attack, when some Muslim extremist gets pissed that we have troops on Saudi soil? I mean, doesn't any of this sound familiar to anybody else?
Trump sent some token troops to SA instead of invading or bombing Iran because he has to keep the Neocons that Amash is buddies with from impeaching him.
If you don't like the token troop movement then tell Amash to stop helping the impeachment narrative.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 09:16 PM

Nobody's life is going to be better if Trump gets impeached.
It is wishing for nightmares.
Think about that long and hard tonight, Ms. Angela, saviour of humanity, and woman with all the answers, oh Goddess of Wisdom.

I am not ever going to have any nightmares about what would happen if Trump was impeached. That's, like - weird

Gee, where have we heard that "OMG we have to vote for him to keep that other person out" sentiment before? Aside from every single fucking election, I mean? And yet when the dust settles, we always lose the long game.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 09:20 PM

I am not ever going to have any nightmares about what would happen if Trump was impeached. That's, like - weird

if?

You say you don't care. That's because he hasn't been impeached.

You say you don't have nightmares, that is because he has not been impeached.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 09:20 PM

I am not ever going to have any nightmares about what would happen if Trump was impeached. That's, like - weird

Gee, where have we heard that "OMG we have to vote for him to keep that other person out" sentiment before? Aside from every single $#@!ing election, I mean? And yet when the dust settles, we always lose the long game.
It's the logic you are using, you aren't giving us a reason for impeachment other than "Orange Man Bad" nor are you telling us Pence or Pelosi (LOL) will be better let alone good, just "We have to vote for impeachment to kick Bad Orange Man out".
And you are willing to destroy the rule of law and empower the worst elements of our government to do it.

oyarde

09-25-2019, 09:22 PM

The Democrat candidate who beats Trump in 2020 will be better on Gun Control, foreign policy and immigration. Trump has been so bad at it, I think it is time we let the left have a shot at protecting the second, the borders, and peace.

Thats pretty funny .

UWDude

09-25-2019, 09:23 PM

angelatc

09-25-2019, 09:24 PM

if?

You say you don't care. That's because he hasn't been impeached.

You say you don't have nightmares, that is because he has not been impeached.

Why would I have nightmares if Trump was impeached? Do you picture him as some God holding the gates of hell closed?

My concerns are now, and have always been, the debt and foreign policy. I don't have nightmares, but if I did I suspect they would be about the inevitable complete currency collapse and the terrorism that our foreign policy is inspiring.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 09:24 PM

UWDude

09-25-2019, 09:25 PM

Why would I have nightmares if Trump was impeached? Do you picture him as some God holding the gates of hell closed?

Not the God holding the gates of hell closed. The primer between the hammer and the explosion.

dannno

09-25-2019, 09:26 PM

Specific troops movements aren't generally public. Trump stated he was sending troops to Saudi Arabia. The Pentagon announced they were deploying our forces to Saudi Arabia (https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour/watch/trump-sending-troops-to-saudi-arabia-after-oil-site-attacks-69541445562). The military news is reporting we are sending troops to Saudi Arabia (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/19/us-troops-returning-saudi-arabia-amid-threats-iran.html). At what point will you believe we are sending troops to Saudi Arabia?

After the next terrorist attack, when some Muslim extremist gets pissed that we have troops on Saudi soil? I mean, doesn't any of this sound familiar to anybody else?

Ya, nobody is going to die because we sent some troops to Saudi Arabia after they were allegedly attacked.. We aren't going to war with Saudi Arabia..

angelatc

09-25-2019, 09:26 PM

No, she claims she doesn't care, (which is clearly a lie, she would nut seeing him impeached)

.

Oh, you're a psychic. Seems legit.

You do understand that even if he was impeached, the Senate would not convict, right? So basically it would be a sternly worded letter from the House?

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 09:27 PM

Why would I have nightmares if Trump was impeached? Do you picture him as some God holding the gates of hell closed?

My concerns are now, and have always been, the debt and foreign policy. I don't have nightmares, but if I did I suspect they would be about the inevitable complete currency collapse and the terrorism that our foreign policy is inspiring.
Because Pence, Pelosi, Biden or anyone else that might replace Trump would be MUCH worse on your pet issues and all the other issues.

Trump IS personally keeping us out of wars in Iran, Venezuela and lots of other places and that comes close to "holding the gates of hell closed".

UWDude

09-25-2019, 09:28 PM

Oh, you're a psychic. Seems legit.

You do understand that even if he was impeached, the Senate would not convict, right? So basically it would be a sternly worded letter from the House?

They would if they won the house and Senate in 2020. You say impossible, I say Assange told me the CIA is running agents, and crooking the whole game up.
I trust Assange, more than I trust you, as to who to listen to when the horns of war are blown.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 09:28 PM

Ya, nobody is going to die because we sent some troops to Saudi Arabia after they were allegedly attacked.. We aren't going to war with Saudi Arabia..

Really? Do you not remember why Bin Laden attacked us? He specifically said it was because we had troops on Saudi soil. Ron Paul told us that repeatedly. We weren't at war with Saudi Arabia then, either.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 09:29 PM

Oh, you're a psychic. Seems legit.

You do understand that even if he was impeached, the Senate would not convict, right? So basically it would be a sternly worded letter from the House?
I'm glad you have such faith in the Neocons in the Senate, it's truly inspiring.
Amash is helping to give them cover for voting against Trump if impeachment gets that far.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 09:29 PM

Oh, you're a psychic. Seems legit.

I am far more than that. Want to go look in a mirror and find out how much more?

angelatc

09-25-2019, 09:30 PM

They would if they won the house and Senate in 2020. You say impossible, I say Assange told me the CIA is running agents, and crooking the whole game up.
I trust Assange, more than I trust you, as to who to listen to when the horns of war are blown.

I don't trust any of them, but you seem to trust Trump implicitly, which I find very odd considering his track record.

oyarde

09-25-2019, 09:30 PM

I don't know what this means.
I take it your still working on your first million ? Dannno makes it sound like a dirty sushi bar after I got thrown out of the strip club he took me to . a satoshi is a bitcoin divided by 100,000,000. which is the smallest pc.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 09:31 PM

I am far more than that. Want to go look in a mirror and find out how much more?

That seems to be a word salad, so perhaps you are indeed far more than that.

angelatc

09-25-2019, 09:32 PM

Ya, nobody is going to die because we sent some troops to Saudi Arabia after they were allegedly attacked.. We aren't going to war with Saudi Arabia..
But I do notice you've backed off your original implication that no troops were going to Saudi Arabia. Now, is it ok with you that Trump is sending troops to Saudi Arabia?

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 09:33 PM

Really? Do you not remember why Bin Laden attacked us? He specifically said it was because we had troops on Saudi soil. Ron Paul told us that repeatedly. We weren't at war with Saudi Arabia then, either.
I'm glad to see someone who still has faith in the official narrative of 9/11, it's really touching.
Or maybe you just want to see Trump invade Iran so you can say "I told you so"? Because that's one way he could buy off the Neocons in the Senate to avoid conviction.
Or maybe you want Pence to invade Iran after Trump is removed?
Invading Iran won't cause ANY blowback, nope.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 09:33 PM

That seems to be a word salad, so perhaps you are indeed far more than that.

Nothing is what it seems, when speaking with me.

dannno

09-25-2019, 09:36 PM

But I do notice you've backed off your original implication that no troops were going to Saudi Arabia. Now, is it ok with you that Trump is sending troops to Saudi Arabia?

....to KILL people????

tfurrh

09-25-2019, 09:40 PM

The part about bitcoin or the part about Trump constantly being accused of being on the verge of war with ___ or putting troops ____ but it never coming to fruition?

Bitcoin part

angelatc

09-25-2019, 09:47 PM

....to KILL people????

I thought we Ron Paul supporters were against having troops stationed on foreign soil. Something about not being the police of the world and all that. Am I to understand now that we are now ok with meddling in the affairs of other nations by inserting our troops?

And here's another thing that bothers me: when Trump did an end run around Congress to sell the weapons to the Saudis (https://bipartisanreport.com/2019/05/24/trump-to-sell-arms-to-saudis-without-congressional-approval/), he cited a national emergency to avoid the legally mandated Congressional review. I didn't care - free markets and all - I'd sell anything to anybody. But now I wonder why did "we" sell them all those weapons if they can't defend themselves?

And since the US doesn't even have a mutual defense treaty with Saudi, why are "we" sending troops there?

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 09:51 PM

UWDude

09-25-2019, 09:58 PM

I thought we Ron Paul supporters were against having troops stationed on foreign soil. Something about not being the police of the world and all that. Am I to understand now that we are now ok with meddling in the affairs of other nations by inserting our troops?

And here's another thing that bothers me: when Trump did an end run around Congress to sell the weapons to the Saudis (https://bipartisanreport.com/2019/05/24/trump-to-sell-arms-to-saudis-without-congressional-approval/), he cited a national emergency to avoid the legally mandated Congressional review. I didn't care - free markets and all - I'd sell anything to anybody. But now I wonder why did "we" sell them all those weapons if they can't defend themselves?

And since the US doesn't even have a mutual defense treaty with Saudi, why are "we" sending troops there?

The straight answer, without moral judgement is thus:

The sandal wearing Houthis just hit a massive oil field, protected by American Patriot batteries, with homebrew cruise missiles and drones.

In the meantime, the Russian S-300 has been doing a fantastic job, (although the people having missiles rained on them have more access to wreckage, therefore, more access to "the truth").

Mohamamed Bin Salman asked Trump "WTF did I just spend $BILLIONS on? Can't stop a sandal wearing homebrew missile attack?" (As I have said many times before, missiles and drones are going to change the way all warfare is done)

And Trump said

"If you would train your guys like we told you to train them!"

In the meantime, Raytheon is being humiliated. Profit driven engineering teams versus survival and power seeking engineering teams.
In the meantime, the S-300 is way outperforming.

Is Trump using the soldiers as Human shields and a dare to Saudi Arabia? Perhaps.
Is he sending them as strictly trainers for the weapons systems? Perhaps.

Are they in harms way? In Saudi Arabia? Absolutely.

In a year, when the Houthi send another salvo, and the PATRIOT batteries fail again, is PATRIOT toast?
It has to stay alive for at least propaganda purposes.
It is, right now, clearly bitch. If sandal wearing Houthi can launch cruise missiles and drones, and bypass high grade American anti-missile technology, might be some big surprises in Afghanistan next year too.

What good is a nuclear arsenal when Putin can shoot down 90%, but you can shoot only 10% down?

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 10:01 PM

The straight answer, without moral judgement is thus:

The sandal wearing Houthis just hit a massive oil field, protected by American Patriot batteries, with homebrew cruise missiles and drones.

In the meantime, the Russian S-300 has been doing a fantastic job, (although the people having missiles rained on them have more access to wreckage, therefore, more access to "the truth").

Mohamamed Bin Salman asked Trump "WTF did I just spend $BILLIONS on? Can't stop a sandal wearing homebrew missile attack?" (As I have said many times before, missiles and drones are going to change the way all warfare is done)

And Trump said

"If you would train your guys like we told you to train them!"

In the meantime, Raytheon is being humiliated. Profit driven engineering teams versus survival and power seeking engineering teams.
In the meantime, the S-300 is way outperforming.

Is Trump using the soldiers as Human shields and a dare to Saudi Arabia? Perhaps.
Is he sending them as strictly trainers for the weapons systems? Perhaps.

Are they in harms way? In Saudi Arabia? Absolutely.

It's beginning to look like a Saudi inside job because they claim that they are getting oil production back faster than should be possible.
They wanted higher oil prices but the gambit failed.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 10:04 PM

It's beginning to look like a Saudi inside job because they claim that they are getting oil production back faster than should be possible.
They wanted higher oil prices but the gambit failed.

They are going to claim a lot of things.
It is harder to hide your dead than your living.

Swordsmyth

09-25-2019, 10:08 PM

They are going to claim a lot of things.
It is harder to hide your dead than your living.
Time will tell.
They can't keep up the pretense for long if they are lying.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 10:09 PM

BTW, one of the big failures of the PATRIOT system is the corruption in the military. And by corruption, I mean people who want to look good and get promoted more than anything, even money, people who will pay money, big money, to get promoted. Once you make colonel, you make yourself political.

They test "if" they can hit a missile, not "can" they hit a missile.

timosman

09-25-2019, 10:10 PM

My take on Amash: His score is higher than that of Massie. Isn't he too perfect? :tears:

UWDude

09-25-2019, 10:13 PM

Time will tell.
They can't keep up the pretense for long if they are lying.

Time will tell if they can keep up.
However, Houthi firepower has already been noted. And they have been carrying out attacks elsewhere, including one a year ago that knocked out 1 million per day for a couple weeks.

It's not like the attack was a surprise. It was quite a bit larger in scale, but both were impressive strikes, especially for the sandal wearing Houthi.

UWDude

09-25-2019, 10:17 PM

My take on Amash: His score is higher than that of Massie. Isn't he too perfect? :tears:

Definitely a Uniter of the freedom movement.

On the one hand, you have a bunch of Ron Paulite freedom lovers, who claim they "don't care" whether Trump gets impeached or not,

and on the other hand you have a bunch of people who will be truly outraged if it happens.

I cant find anybody here that hopes Trump gets impeached, just a bunch of people who "don't care", so, why would Amash do something so stupid? If half of the freedom movement "doesn't care" and the other half of the freedom movement does not want Trump impeached, why would he choose the path that none of the freedom movement wants (as opposed to "don't care" or "don't want"

Ahh, I know, Amash, just like the "don't cares" is actually a nerdy little hater. Look at his stupid smile. Lawyer? Pfft.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 01:08 AM

Senate Democrats Sent Letter to Ukraine Demanding They Investigate Trump Just Last Year (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/hypocrisy-senate-democrats-sent-letter-to-ukraine-demanding-they-investigate-trump-just-last-year/)
Where's Amash calling for their arrest?

Or any of the other TDS warriors?

timosman

09-26-2019, 02:06 AM

Sammy

09-26-2019, 03:38 AM

Justin amash agrees with Communists like Ocasio Cortez over Ron Paul on impechment!

Todd

09-26-2019, 06:06 AM

Todd

09-26-2019, 06:10 AM

Fine - here are some facts: I know who you are. And I know who Shane is, and I know how you're both tied to that website.

Well isn't that a revelation. Call me curious that a 3 year member becomes one of the top 7 posters on this site OF ALL TIME (@Anti Federalist) posts on average a dozen threads a day and knows just what to say to get that Reputation bar through the roof.

Todd

09-26-2019, 06:29 AM

It's kinda funny how Swordsmyth keeps posting responses to angelatc with his banal platitudes bullet comments that sound like a bad Freeper and she hasn't responded and most likely has him on ignore. lol....

BTW> I neg rep this thread, something I rarely have ever done except for people trying to start stuff and for people who post shit that really is out of line like collectivist garbage.. I think posting an article meets both those criteria.

drawing attention to someone's heritage and what it infers is the worst of Collectivist garbage and has no place here. I also think this Swordsmyth guy needs an enema.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 08:04 AM

It's the logic you are using, you aren't giving us a reason for impeachment other than "Orange Man Bad" nor are you telling us Pence or Pelosi (LOL) will be better let alone good, just "We have to vote for impeachment to kick Bad Orange Man out".
And you are willing to destroy the rule of law and empower the worst elements of our government to do it.

No, she claims she doesn't care, (which is clearly a lie, she would nut seeing him impeached)

Then the nightmare would begin, and she would wish she could go back, like all the rest of the nihilists and haters.

And let's throw all the GOP bums out while we are at it too. the left having supermajorities is nothing to fear.

Not the God holding the gates of hell closed. The primer between the hammer and the explosion.

Ya, nobody is going to die because we sent some troops to Saudi Arabia after they were allegedly attacked.. We aren't going to war with Saudi Arabia..

Because Pence, Pelosi, Biden or anyone else that might replace Trump would be MUCH worse on your pet issues and all the other issues.

Trump IS personally keeping us out of wars in Iran, Venezuela and lots of other places and that comes close to "holding the gates of hell closed".

They would if they won the house and Senate in 2020. You say impossible, I say Assange told me the CIA is running agents, and crooking the whole game up.
I trust Assange, more than I trust you, as to who to listen to when the horns of war are blown.

I am far more than that. Want to go look in a mirror and find out how much more?

Nothing is what it seems, when speaking with me.

Trump has kept us out of wars and he has started trying to end them and bringing troops home, Pence will start more.
Perfection is not available right now and not only are the calls for Trump's impeachment destructive to the rule of law but they empower the war lobby.
Stop reciting all the reasons Orange Man is bad and think for a little bit.

The straight answer, without moral judgement is thus:

The sandal wearing Houthis just hit a massive oil field, protected by American Patriot batteries, with homebrew cruise missiles and drones.

In the meantime, the Russian S-300 has been doing a fantastic job, (although the people having missiles rained on them have more access to wreckage, therefore, more access to "the truth").

Mohamamed Bin Salman asked Trump "WTF did I just spend $BILLIONS on? Can't stop a sandal wearing homebrew missile attack?" (As I have said many times before, missiles and drones are going to change the way all warfare is done)

And Trump said

"If you would train your guys like we told you to train them!"

In the meantime, Raytheon is being humiliated. Profit driven engineering teams versus survival and power seeking engineering teams.
In the meantime, the S-300 is way outperforming.

Is Trump using the soldiers as Human shields and a dare to Saudi Arabia? Perhaps.
Is he sending them as strictly trainers for the weapons systems? Perhaps.

Are they in harms way? In Saudi Arabia? Absolutely.

In a year, when the Houthi send another salvo, and the PATRIOT batteries fail again, is PATRIOT toast?
It has to stay alive for at least propaganda purposes.
It is, right now, clearly bitch. If sandal wearing Houthi can launch cruise missiles and drones, and bypass high grade American anti-missile technology, might be some big surprises in Afghanistan next year too.

What good is a nuclear arsenal when Putin can shoot down 90%, but you can shoot only 10% down?

It's beginning to look like a Saudi inside job because they claim that they are getting oil production back faster than should be possible.
They wanted higher oil prices but the gambit failed.

They are going to claim a lot of things.
It is harder to hide your dead than your living.

Time will tell.
They can't keep up the pretense for long if they are lying.

BTW, one of the big failures of the PATRIOT system is the corruption in the military. And by corruption, I mean people who want to look good and get promoted more than anything, even money, people who will pay money, big money, to get promoted. Once you make colonel, you make yourself political.

They test "if" they can hit a missile, not "can" they hit a missile.

My take on Amash: His score is higher than that of Massie. Isn't he too perfect? :tears:

Time will tell if they can keep up.
However, Houthi firepower has already been noted. And they have been carrying out attacks elsewhere, including one a year ago that knocked out 1 million per day for a couple weeks.

It's not like the attack was a surprise. It was quite a bit larger in scale, but both were impressive strikes, especially for the sandal wearing Houthi.

Definitely a Uniter of the freedom movement.

On the one hand, you have a bunch of Ron Paulite freedom lovers, who claim they "don't care" whether Trump gets impeached or not,

and on the other hand you have a bunch of people who will be truly outraged if it happens.

I cant find anybody here that hopes Trump gets impeached, just a bunch of people who "don't care", so, why would Amash do something so stupid? If half of the freedom movement "doesn't care" and the other half of the freedom movement does not want Trump impeached, why would he choose the path that none of the freedom movement wants (as opposed to "don't care" or "don't want"

Ahh, I know, Amash, just like the "don't cares" is actually a nerdy little hater. Look at his stupid smile. Lawyer? Pfft.

Senate Democrats Sent Letter to Ukraine Demanding They Investigate Trump Just Last Year (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/hypocrisy-senate-democrats-sent-letter-to-ukraine-demanding-they-investigate-trump-just-last-year/)
Where's Amash calling for their arrest?

Or any of the other TDS warriors?

Justin amash agrees with Communists like Ocasio Cortez over Ron Paul on impechment!

So is this thread about blind partisanship, hero worship, promoting imperialism, supporting the military industrial complex, pounding catchphrases like Sandal Wearing Houthis into the vernacular, or just trying to convince innocent bystanders that "half of the freedom movement" gives a flying fuck what happens to the current Brat in Chief?

In any case, it's quite a compliment to angelatc that they feel the need to keep firing cliche shells and platitude bombs at her for hours after she leaves. She seems to have made too much sense for comfort.

The Lesser Evil® is getting some heavy promotion. Even the good is being attacked for being a threat to The Lesser Evil®. But is The Lesser Evil® really less evil? Or is The Lesser Evil® just less evil than what the trolls imagine someone else might have done by now?

Ender

09-26-2019, 08:28 AM

It's kinda funny how Swordsmyth keeps posting responses to angelatc with his banal platitudes bullet comments that sound like a bad Freeper and she hasn't responded and most likely has him on ignore. lol....

BTW> I neg rep this thread, something I rarely have ever done except for people trying to start stuff and for people who post $#@! that really is out of line like collectivist garbage.. I think posting an article meets both those criteria.

drawing attention to someone's heritage and what it infers is the worst of Collectivist garbage and has no place here. I also think this Swordsmyth guy needs an enema.

+ Rep

Nothing but pure bullshit on this thread in support of Imperialism.

timosman

09-26-2019, 08:41 AM

+ Rep

Nothing but pure bullshit on this thread in support of Imperialism.

Not a lot of calls for social justice either! :tears:

Todd

09-26-2019, 08:55 AM

This comment will look silly in a few years, I predict.

When Trump pretty much singlehandedly takes out the Satanic Deep State Cabal that rules our country and starts all of these wars you are complaining about, a few votes in the House that didn't make any difference from a practical standpoint by Amash will pale in comparison.

The problem is, we NEED Amash, Rand and Massie to help put this country back together and steer us in the right direction after Trump clears the way. Amash appears to be fucking that part of the plan up. But we will see, hopefully he wins his election.

I've got my money on this being laughable in a few years. ^

Really?

Trump the slayer of Satanic cults and Christian Savior.. Singlehandedly.

Golden

No, I'm pretty sure the foundations of the establishment cabal will be fully intact when Mr. Trump is retiring in his New York Condo in the coming years.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 09:00 AM

I sure see a lot if, "If this person had won we'd see...", and " If that person took over we'd be..." speculation out of this troll brigade for The Lesser Evil®. If I were to say, if Rand Paul were president..? How quickly would I be shouted down for engaging in useless speculation about things that will never be known for certain?

Oh. And sandal wearing Houthis sandal wearing Houthis sandal wearing Houthis.

EBounding

09-26-2019, 09:09 AM

My position has changed from "don't care" to "should be impeached", if the whistleblower allegations are true. I wouldn't tolerate my town's councilmembers behaving this way much less the POTUS's interaction with foreign powers. I trust Amash on this, but apparently he's less trustworthy than Trump according to many on this Ron Paul site.

I'm glad Snowden blew the whistle during Obama's administration. If he didn't until now, he'd probably be chastised as a "deep state" plant or something by half the people who post here.

Slave Mentality

09-26-2019, 09:12 AM

I've got my money on this being laughable in a few years. ^

Really?

Trump the slayer of Satanic cults and Christian Savior.. Singlehandedly.

Golden

No, I'm pretty sure the foundations of the establishment cabal will be fully intact when Mr. Trump is retiring in his New York Condo in the coming years.

Yes, regulars on RPFs believe that Dear Leader was sent by God Himself to save this Exceptional Country. Satism is the new religion.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 09:20 AM

Meanwhile, congratulations to Swordshyll for making nearly ten percent more posts in three years than I did in ten.

Clearly I have been remiss in not developing narcolepsy and learning to update my status in my sleep. Maybe I can learn...

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 09:20 AM

:sleeping:

timosman

09-26-2019, 09:22 AM

I've got my money on this being laughable in a few years. ^

Really?

Trump the slayer of Satanic cults and Christian Savior.. Singlehandedly.

Golden

No, I'm pretty sure the foundations of the establishment cabal will be fully intact when Mr. Trump is retiring in his New York Condo in the coming years.

We get padding on our chains. Not worth it? :confused:

UWDude

09-26-2019, 09:47 AM

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 09:51 AM

https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/snowden-says-biden-warned-countries-not-to-grant-him-asylum/

Snowden says Biden warned countries not to grant him asylum [Video]

If we had stood by Rand Paul, instead of believing the MSM when they told us who they allegedly hated, maybe the U.S. would be granting him asylum now.

The Lesser Evil® has got nothing on the good. Except a 24/7 propaganda machine and a singularly obnoxious troll brigade, of course.

EBounding

09-26-2019, 09:55 AM

UWDude

09-26-2019, 10:07 AM

Okay...this "whatabout" defense is tiring.

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Amash is a bitch.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 10:08 AM

If we had stood by Rand Paul, instead of believing the MSM when they told us who they allegedly hated, maybe the U.S. would be granting him asylum now.

The Lesser Evil® has got nothing on the good. Except a 24/7 propaganda machine and a singularly obnoxious troll brigade, of course.

WTF are you talking about?

UWDude

09-26-2019, 10:16 AM

Oh. And sandal wearing Houthis sandal wearing Houthis sandal wearing Houthis.

Homebrew cruise missiles and drones, homebrew cruise missles and drones.

Is my analysis of the situation wrong?

How much do you know about the civil war in Yemen (I know you don't know a tenth of what I know)

It's a shame this is the internet, because in real life, I'd stomp you with questions about the conflict, the leaders, etc, and you would not be able to go Google the answers to try and make yourself sound like you have a clue.

You, like everyone else with TDS, know nothing of anything else unless it involves hating Trump. It's all you people know.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 10:25 AM

How much do you know about the civil war in Yemen.

Sent real things, only three of which are pertinent:

1. It's no business of the U.S.

2. If we had stood by Rand Paul, the Yemeni would be better off.

3. You are attempting to use that to derail this thread.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 10:28 AM

BTW> I neg rep this thread, something I rarely have ever done except for people trying to start stuff and for people who post $#@! that really is out of line like collectivist garbage.. I think posting an article meets both those criteria.

enhanced_deficit mentions Amash is Palestinian every time he mentions the name Amash. Yet he is clearly very much pro-impeachment, anti-trump.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 10:29 AM

Sent real things, only three of which are pertinent:

1. It's no business of the U.S.

2. If we had stood by Rand Paul, the Yemeni would be better off.

3. You are attempting to use that to derail this thread.

In other words, nothing. You know nothing of the conflict.

Yet you seem to have a problem with my analysis of the situation.

And angela is the one who brought up Saudi Arabia in this thread. If you are worried about the derailing, talk to her.

I merely answered her question.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 10:31 AM

In other words, nothing. You know nothing of the conflict.

Yet you seem to have a problem with my analysis of the situation.

So, my analysis of what's pertinent is enough information for you to ASSume you know the sum total of my knowledge.

And you also ASSume being a presumptuous asshole will lead me to help you hijack this thread.

Let me know how that works out for you.

dannno

09-26-2019, 10:46 AM

Todd

09-26-2019, 10:51 AM

enhanced_deficit mentions Amash is Palestinian every time he mentions the name Amash. Yet he is clearly very much pro-impeachment, anti-trump.

Who's saying that's right or relevant. I'm talking about a supposed reflective and thoughtful article that in it's first breath calls him out for his heritage.

Maybe I'll change my title to German Irish Todd.

How is it relevant?

Oh that's right it isn't. Unless he's a dirty Arab. Right??

CCTelander

09-26-2019, 10:54 AM

So, my analysis of what's pertinent is enough information for you to ASSume you know the sum total of my knowledge.

And you also ASSume being a presumptuous asshole will lead me to help you hijack this thread.

Let me know how that works out for you.

Those who feel the need to proclaim themselves as experts, like the Dude, usually aren't.

And, although I'm not at all religious, Proverbs 26:11 comes to mind.

Angela must have really hit a few raw nerves to trigger the usual suspects to such a degree. It's kind of funny in a sad sort of way.

EBounding

09-26-2019, 10:57 AM

Can you explain why the President shouldn't talk about investigating corruption with foreign powers from a libertarian perspective?

When he's allegedly doing it for personal political purposes and trying to cover it up.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 11:21 AM

So....

yeah, still no answer to where my analysis is wrong. Bluster and beat your chest more. I know you dont know nearly as much as swordsmyth about the yemeni civil war. That is why i enjoy talking to him about it, as well as many other events happening overseas. He knows a lot about them.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 11:31 AM

Who's saying that's right or relevant. I'm talking about a supposed reflective and thoughtful article that in it's first breath calls him out for his heritage.

Maybe I'll change my title to German Irish Todd.

How is it relevant?

Oh that's right it isn't. Unless he's a dirty Arab. Right??

why do you think enhanced deficit mentions it every time?

Ender

09-26-2019, 11:51 AM

Those who feel the need to proclaim themselves as experts, like the Dude, usually aren't.

And, although I'm not at all religious, Proverbs 26:11 comes to mind.

Angela must have really hit a few raw nerves to trigger the usual suspects to such a degree. It's kind of funny in a sad sort of way.

Also- the alleged "transcript" is a memorandum, NOT the official transcript document of the phone call.

Below is a rough transcript, as released by the White House, of a July call between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Reports that Trump withheld aid to Ukraine while urging Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden, prompted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to announce Tuesday that the House would move ahead with an impeachment inquiry.

The summary of the call is not verbatim but is based off of “notes and recollections” of National Security Council and Situation Room officials, the White House said.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/transcript-of-trump-call-with-ukraines-zelensky-full-text-as-released-by-white-house-2019-09-25

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 12:02 PM

yeah, still no answer to where my analysis is wrong.

You thought you could derail this thread by talking about other nations' wars. You were wrong. You thought you could derail this thread by dishing about forum members like a schoolgirl. You were wrong. You think Congress will accept "recollections" that omit Trump holding up funds which Congress allocated until the recipient did him a favor as proof he did not do that just because someone called that a "transcript". You are wrong.

spudea

09-26-2019, 12:03 PM

When he's allegedly doing it for personal political purposes and trying to cover it up.

Democrats are immune to investigations, got it.

Also it's not personal. These topics are of interest and important to all Americans. The Russia collusion saga has been incredibly damaging to our country and we have to get to the bottom of it and hold those responsible to account.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 12:07 PM

You thought you could derail this thread by talking about other nations' wars. You were wrong. You thought you could derail this thread by dishing about forum members like a schoolgirl. You were wrong. You think Congress will accept "recollections" that omit Trump holding up funds which Congress allocated until the recipient did him a favor as proof he did not do that just because someone called that a "transcript". You are wrong.

angela brought up saudi arabia, not me or swordsmyth. I answered her question.

you are the one derailing the thread now. And you still will not, because you can not, refute my analysis of the situation on the arabian penninsula.

if you care so much about not derailing the thread anymore, you can always @ me in a relevant thread in world news and foreign affairs. Indeed, i give a simlar analysis in the thread about the recent houthi strike on saudi oil fields. you can go ahead and respond to that, and correct me where i am wrong.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 12:10 PM

EBounding

09-26-2019, 12:11 PM

Democrats are immune to investigations, got it.

Also it's not personal. These topics are of interest and important to all Americans. The Russia collusion saga has been incredibly damaging to our country and we have to get to the bottom of it and hold those responsible to account.

That's quite the hallucination you had right there. I never said that.

Ender

09-26-2019, 12:14 PM

You assume casting aspersions about Chinese business connections and continually blathering about the Middle East will prevent us from looking at Amash's voting record and recognizing him as the asset to liberty he is. You're wrong.

Not to mention that Trump has over 100 trademarks in China- 35 since he became president- but we never talk about that. :speaknoevil:

UWDude

09-26-2019, 12:14 PM

You assume casting aspersions about Chinese business connections and continually blathering about the Middle East will prevent us from looking at Amash's voting record and recognizing him as the asset to liberty he is. You're wrong.

waiting for your response in the houthi oil field strike thread. or you can keep attempting to deflect and derail.

Todd

09-26-2019, 12:15 PM

Isn't amazing how quiet these boards are when Swordshat is off at one of his Astroturf seminars to work on "How to undermine Logical validity".

Todd

09-26-2019, 12:15 PM

waiting for your response in the houthi oil field strike thread. or you can keep attempting to deflect and derail.

I got a nifty idea.

why don't you start a brand new thread and see if anyone gives a rats ass?

UWDude

09-26-2019, 12:17 PM

I got a nifty idea.

why don't you start a brand new thread and see if anyone gives a rats ass?

angelatc asked the question. i aNswered. AcPTulsa said i was wrong, but when challenged on why i was wrong, buckled, stalled, and stumbled. Clearly he cares, as does angela, or they would not have asked or replied. There is already a large thread on the topic, no need to start a new one.

kahless

09-26-2019, 12:27 PM

This is nothing compared to Justin China Amash's business interests, if legislated to benefit himself and his Chinese businesses.

Justin Amash’s Business Interests in China Underscore His Push to Impeach Trump
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/justin-amashs-business-interests-in-china-underscore-his-push-to-impeach-trump/

In Amash’s financial disclosure forms for the year of 2015, he was shown as receiving up to $1 million in annual income due to his ownership stake in Michigan Industrial Tools (MIT). MIT is the parent company of Tekton Tools, Amash’s family business, that benefits directly from Chinese manufacturing.

An article from MLive in 2010 exposed Amash as being the co-owner of Dynamic Source International (DSI), a Chinese company that was once an MIT supplier. Amash’s family have been outspoken advocates of the globalist trade status quo for many years.
....
The fact is, instead of making American-made products made by American workers, Justin Amash has chosen Chinese workers to make products which he then sells in America,” said Lonny Paris, who served as campaign manager in 2010 for Amash’s Democratic opponent Pat Miles Jr.

Amash is not really credible considering he is a traitor that puts illegals and foreign citizens over our own first.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/07/04/justin-china-announces-his-republican-departure/

Justin China is specifically at risk from the ‘America First’ trade and economic policy of President Donald Trump. [Detailed Here] With extensive family financial holdings dependent on Chinese manufacturing there is a specific level of transparent self interest.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 12:43 PM

Justin is wrong on this. As he was with 'obstruction' charges. And by "wrong" I mean it's not a hill to stand on. It's another nothing burger. It won't result in an impeachment, the Senate will not impeach. They just won't. Because like him or not Trump is a Republican POTUS. To impeach him is to cast a negative light on their party and give the Dems ammunition in 2020. This will, more than likely, solidify Trumps base to guarantee a 2020 re-election win. None of which particularly helps Amash.

specsaregood

09-26-2019, 12:47 PM

When he's allegedly doing it for personal political purposes and trying to cover it up.

Anything can be "alleged". Did I miss the evidence where it shows that this was for personal political purposes?

dannno

09-26-2019, 12:50 PM

When he's allegedly doing it for personal political purposes and trying to cover it up.

So it isn't ok to prosecute government corruption if it benefits you personally? From a libertarian perspective?

Do you even know what happened?

Biden discussed on camera how he withheld $1 billion from Ukraine until they fired a prosecutor who was investigating his son for corruption. Ukraine fired the prosecutor and took the $1 billion. Now they have a new President who is investigating corruption, and he wants to investigate this as well as CrowdStrike's bogus investigation into the DNC servers that caused Seth Rich's murder investigation to never come about. CrowdStrike is a Ukranian company. Trump discussed the investigations with him, and he was happy to continue the investigations that were already occurring.

You need to learn more about what is going on, so does Amash. Don't let Amash think for you. Better to look up to Rand or Massie. This is some deep state corruption that the establishment doesn't want exposed, and Trump is exposing it. This is why people here like Trump.

As far as saying he covered it up, he actually released the transcript of the call as soon as he possibly could. You should read the transcript yourself, again, instead of letting other people think for you. Trump has been utterly transparent on this one, there is no coverup...

dannno

09-26-2019, 12:57 PM

That's quite the hallucination you had right there. I never said that.

Actually you did. According to you, Trump isn't allowed to investigate any corruption of Democrats because he is a Republican and they are political opponents.

You are a smart person, but you do realize how retarded that is, right? Why do you trust the MSM to come up with these kind of talking points? This is the same MSM that attacked Ron Paul and essentially blacklisted him. The same MSM, by the way, who hates Trump.

dannno

09-26-2019, 01:01 PM

I love liberty, but some other people who love liberty need to stop acting like mindless puppets of the MSM who don't do any research or thinking for themselves..

You are not swaying anybody to your side by being totally clueless about what is going on and having none of the facts on your side.

Zippyjuan

09-26-2019, 01:03 PM

So it isn't ok to prosecute government corruption if it benefits you personally? From a libertarian perspective?

Do you even know what happened?

Biden discussed on camera how he withheld $1 billion from Ukraine until they fired a prosecutor who was investigating his son for corruption. Ukraine fired the prosecutor and took the $1 billion. Now they have a new President who is investigating corruption, and he wants to investigate this as well as CrowdStrike's bogus investigation into the DNC servers that caused Seth Rich's murder investigation to never come about.

You need to learn more about what is going on, so does Amash. Don't let Amash think for you. Better to look up to Rand or Massie.

Several other countries were also calling for the ouster of the prosecutor for his own corruption ties. The issue with Trump is asking for foreign help and an investigation of a political opponent which violates campaign laws.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190925-hunter-biden-ukraine-back-story

Biden was representing the official position of the U.S. government, a position that was also supported by other Western governments and many in Ukraine, who accused Shokin of being soft on corruption.

Corruption has continued to fester in Ukraine. In May, the country’s new president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, came into office with no political experience but with bold promises to put an end to the corrupt practices.

Around this time, Giuliani began reaching out to Zelenskiy and his aides to press for a government investigation into Burisma and Hunter Biden’s role with the company.

In a Fox News interview on May 19, Trump claimed the former Ukrainian prosecutor “was after” Joe Biden’s son and that was why the former vice president demanded he be fired. There is no evidence of this.

Ukraine’s current prosecutor, Yuriy Lutsenko, was quoted by Bloomberg News in May as saying he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son. Bloomberg also reported that the investigation into Burisma was dormant at the time Biden pressed for Shokhin’s ouster.

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25/i-wrote-about-the-bidens-and-ukraine-years-ago-then-the-right-wing-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/

The then-vice president issued his demands for greater anti-corruption measures by the Ukrainian government despite the possibility that those demands would actually increase – not lessen — the chances that Hunter Biden and Burisma would face legal trouble in Ukraine.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 01:09 PM

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 01:10 PM

Several other countries were also calling for the ouster of the prosecutor for his own corruption ties. The issue with Trump is asking for foreign help and an investigation of a political opponent which violates campaign laws.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190925-hunter-biden-ukraine-back-story

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25/i-wrote-about-the-bidens-and-ukraine-years-ago-then-the-right-wing-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/

Should not the president investigate admitted corruption?

Zippyjuan

09-26-2019, 01:12 PM

Should not the president investigate admitted corruption?

We should investigate events in other countries? Isn't that up to them?

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 01:13 PM

Actually you did. According to you, Trump isn't allowed to investigate any corruption of Democrats because he is a Republican and they are political opponents.

He never said that, either. You should stick to weed. Hallucinogens are clearly not agreeing with you.

You are a smart person, but you do realize how retarded that is, right? Why do you trust the MSM to come up with these kind of talking points? This is the same MSM that attacked Ron Paul and essentially blacklisted him. The same MSM, by the way, who hates Trump.

You keep saying that as if the MSM blacklisted Trump too. The MSM did not blacklist Trump. They gave him a gazillion dollars' worth of free publicity 24/7 on a thousand channels for years.

Some people are smart enough to realize a blacklist is not the same as a gazillion dollars' worth of free publicity. Some people are smart enough to realize the media also pretended to hate Reagan, both Bushes, Dole, McCain, and Romney too, because they know Republicans love who the liburral media pretends to hate (but never hear of those the media actually blacklist).

And repeating that stupid shit like a monk reciting a Gregorian chant is never going to make us dumb enough to buy it. You've been at it for four years and it hasn't dumbed us down, and you can do it until Doomsday and it won't dumb us down.

I don't particularly "like" Trump. I don't particularly hate him either. But, I have no problem with him asking, even if it includes a possible threat of with holding funds, to pressure a foreign power to work with his investigative services. He wasn't operating off of bogus third party dossier. He was acting under a direct admission by Biden.

Hasn't Congress ceded enough power to the executive, without the president telling recipients of Congress' largesse what hoops to jump through first?

I'd rather withhold 90% of Congress' largesse period. But I'm not pretending that if I did it, it would be constitutional.

We should investigate events in other countries? Isn't that up to them?

Should we fund corrupt governments? Isn't that up to us?

dannno

09-26-2019, 01:13 PM

The issue with Trump is asking for foreign help and an investigation of a political opponent which violates campaign laws.

I don't believe that is illegal, but Hillary got help from foreign countries and the Obama admin to illegally investigate Trump during the 2016 election. Should that be investigated as well?

UWDude

09-26-2019, 01:14 PM

We should investigate events in other countries? Isn't that up to them?

god you are stupid.

timosman

09-26-2019, 01:17 PM

god you are stupid.

one of the best debaters RPF has to offer. :tears:

Zippyjuan

09-26-2019, 01:22 PM

I don't believe that is illegal, but Hillary got help from foreign countries and the Obama admin to illegally investigate Trump during the 2016 election. Should that be investigated as well?

Which foreign countries did Clinton demand/ ask for campaign help from?

(the objective is to distract the attention from Trump and onto somebody else)

Cleaner44

09-26-2019, 01:23 PM

dannno

09-26-2019, 01:24 PM

We should investigate events in other countries? Isn't that up to them?

Uh ya, the President asked if they were going to investigate it, and they said they were already investigating it. He didn't bribe or threaten them. Did you read the transcript all the way through?

All Trump did was ask a fucking question, and on the other side you have Hillary - who PAID foreign entities to investigate Trump. Those foreign entities returned bogus intel which was then used to get an illegal FISA warrant to spy on Trump.

Sorry, your side looks a million times worse, and Trump actually looks good in all of this. Unless you have msm and fact blinders on.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 01:24 PM

We should investigate events in other countries? Isn't that up to them?

When a then-Vice President used his position to pressure a foreign power to profit his son? No. It's up to the current administration to investigate. Particulary when the then-Vice President admits and brags about it. Or are you fine with a then Vice-President using his position for personal/familial gain?

dannno

09-26-2019, 01:25 PM

Which foreign countries did Clinton demand/ ask for campaign help from?

(the objective is to distract the attention from Trump and onto somebody else)

She didn't demand or ask, she paid for the faulty intelligence which was even worse... she worked with Ukraine, UK and Russia.

specsaregood

09-26-2019, 01:26 PM

Well it seems that the democrats have come up with a great new way to attack trump, just keep trotting up whistleblowers who file only just hearsay and rumors. That should keep em busy for the next 6 years.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 01:28 PM

Which foreign countries did Clinton demand/ ask for campaign help from?

(the objective is to distract the attention from Trump and onto somebody else)

the five eyes, biggest being britain and the Steele dossier. Fusion GPS is directly tied to the bitch, bitch.

all for the russian collusion hoax that you bandied about for three years as truth.

EBounding

09-26-2019, 01:35 PM

Anything can be "alleged". Did I miss the evidence where it shows that this was for personal political purposes?

I think that's the point of the impeachment investigation to determine if this is true.

So it isn't ok to prosecute government corruption if it benefits you personally? From a libertarian perspective?

Do you even know what happened?

Biden discussed on camera how he withheld $1 billion from Ukraine until they fired a prosecutor who was investigating his son for corruption. Ukraine fired the prosecutor and took the $1 billion. Now they have a new President who is investigating corruption, and he wants to investigate this as well as CrowdStrike's bogus investigation into the DNC servers that caused Seth Rich's murder investigation to never come about. CrowdStrike is a Ukranian company. Trump discussed the investigations with him, and he was happy to continue the investigations that were already occurring.

You need to learn more about what is going on, so does Amash. Don't let Amash think for you. Better to look up to Rand or Massie. This is some deep state corruption that the establishment doesn't want exposed, and Trump is exposing it. This is why people here like Trump.

As far as saying he covered it up, he actually released the transcript of the call as soon as he possibly could. You should read the transcript yourself, again, instead of letting other people think for you. Trump has been utterly transparent on this one, there is no coverup...

I have read the memo of the call and I have read the whistleblower complaint. The complaint says it's unclear whether such a Ukrainian investigation exists so it alleges he is trying to use his office of president to have a foreign entity prosecute a political opponent. And alleges Trump covered up the call. Trump released a memo of the conversation. Is it the same as the word for word transcript? Why did he try to cover up the call? I think that's the point of the impeachment inquiry.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 01:35 PM

Uh ya, the President asked if they were going to investigate it, and they said they were already investigating it. He didn't bribe or threaten them. Did you read the transcript all the way through?

All Trump did was ask a $#@!ing question, and on the other side you have Hillary - who PAID foreign entities to investigate Trump. Those foreign entities returned bogus intel which was then used to get an illegal FISA warrant to spy on Trump.

Sorry, your side looks a million times worse, and Trump actually looks good in all of this. Unless you have msm and fact blinders on.

She didn't demand or ask, she paid for the faulty intelligence which was even worse... she worked with Ukraine, UK and Russia.

Which foreign countries did Clinton demand/ ask for campaign help from?

(the objective is to distract the attention from Trump and onto somebody else)

the five eyes, biggest being britain and the Steele dossier. Fusion GPS is directly tied to the bitch, bitch.

all for the russian collusion hoax that you bandied about for three years as truth.

Here the partisans go, trying to make this either/or.

Yes, they can all be wrong. Yes, they can all be guilty.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 01:38 PM

Here the partisans go, trying to make this either/or.

Yes, they can all be wrong.

joe biden bragged onvideo about it, to laughter and applause from his sycophants.

it is Trumps job to prosecute the corrupt. npthing illegal about it.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 01:41 PM

I think that's the point of the impeachment investigation to determine if this is true.

I have read the memo of the call and I have read the whistleblower complaint. The complaint says it's unclear whether such a Ukrainian investigation exists so it alleges he is trying to use his office of president to have a foreign entity prosecute a political opponent. And alleges Trump covered up the call. Trump released a memo of the conversation. Is it the same as the word for word transcript? Why did he try to cover up the call? I think that's the point of the impeachment inquiry.

if Trump did try to lock up Hillary for all her crimes, you would be saying Trump is trying to jail a political opponent, and call him a tyrant and tn-pot dictator. I predicted long ago this would be the narrative qnd talking point.

Trump is head of the executive, whose job is to enforce the law. He has every right to inquire about investigations into people who brag to laughter about how they used $1B in aid to relieve his crack head son from prosecution.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 01:42 PM

Hasn't Congress ceded enough power to the executive, without the president telling recipients of Congress' largesse what hoops to jump through first?

I'd rather withhold 90% of Congress' largesse period. But I'm not pretending that if I did it, it would be constitutional.

Except that there is no proof that Trump even threatened them with withholding Congress' largesse. None. The only thing that can be used is the transcript. And at no time during it did he actually threaten them. Again all we have, as has been the case throughout the Trump presidency, is someone who heard something from someone who heard something.
There's no burger in between this bun. None.
It is within the purveyance of the Executive to investigate matters of corruption. IF the suspected corruption is verifiable. I think that an public admission and braggadocio is worthy of investigation. Pretty verifiable.
And I have no problem with it. I wouldn't think you would either.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 01:43 PM

joe biden bragged onvideo about it, to laughter and applause from his sycophants.

it is Trumps job to prosecute the corrupt. npthing illegal about it.

As long as he's investigating Biden, he can legally do the exact same illegal thing Biden did? Like a cop can break in to your house without probable cause and/or a warrant when he or she is investigating a burglary?

Spoken like a boot licking statist. May your chains rest lightly upon you.

Except that there is no proof...

We shall see soon enough if that theory holds water. But right now, neither you nor I nor even UWDUDE THE OMNISCIENT ORACLE knows that for certain.

It is within the purveyance of the Executive to investigate matters of corruption. IF the suspected corruption is verifiable. I think that an public admission and braggadocio is worthy of investigation. Pretty verifiable.
And I have no problem with it. I wouldn't think you would either.

That is also within the purview of Congress, and I don't have a problem with that either.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 01:46 PM

As long as he's investigating Biden, he can legally do the exact same illegal thing Biden did? Like a cop can break in to your house without probable cause and/or a warrant when he or she is investigating a burglary?

Spoken like a boot licking statist. May your chains rest lightly upon you.

We shall see soon enough if that theory holds water. But right now, neither you nor I nor even UWDUDE THE OMNISCIENT ORACLE knows that for certain.

Show me the fact. FACTS. That he did the exact same thing.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 01:47 PM

As long as he's investigating Biden, he can legally do the exact same illegal thing Biden did?

Biden was trying to keep his sons crimes from being prosecuted. Trump wants Biden's son's crimes prosecuted.

that is not the "exact same thing".
One is trying to obstruct justice, and one is trying to enforce it.

one has no right to use taxpayer funds to obstruct justice, and one, as president of the united states, and head of the executive, has evert right to enforce justice.

Zippyjuan

09-26-2019, 01:49 PM

"He did it first!" is not a valid defense (besides, it admits your own guilt). Biden also was not asking for dirt on a political opponent from a foreign country. Major difference.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 01:52 PM

"He did it first!" is not a valid defense (besides, it admits your own guilt). Biden also was not asking for dirt on a political opponent from a foreign country. Major difference.

Biden was trying to protect his crack head coup plotting son from prosecution.

Trump is trying to enforce the law.

major difference.

specsaregood

09-26-2019, 01:53 PM

I think that's the point of the impeachment investigation to determine if this is true.

So congress needs to investigate any complaint? Even one based on rumor and hearsay?

timosman

09-26-2019, 01:53 PM

"He did it first!" is not a valid defense

Whose defense is this? :confused:

UWDude

09-26-2019, 01:54 PM

So congress needs to investigate any complaint? Even one based on rumor and hearsay?

we prefer to call "sources familiar with the president's thinking" as "whistleblowers" now.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 01:55 PM

Show me the fact. FACTS. That he did the exact same thing.

What part of neither you nor I know for certain was I unclear about?

Biden was trying to keep his sons crimes from being prosecuted. Trump wants Biden's son's crimes prosecuted.

that is not the "exact same thing".

See? I was right. This statist thinks cops should be able to break into any house anywhere any time, even without probable cause or a warrant, provided he or she can credibly claim to have thought it to be a burglar's house.

Do I have this statist pegged, or what?

Zippyjuan

09-26-2019, 01:56 PM

Biden was trying to protect his crack head coup plotting son from prosecution.

Trump is trying to enforce the law.

major difference.

Actually Biden (as well as most European governments) wanted the prosecutor gone because he was NOT cracking down on corruption in the Ukraine. If his son was corrupt, that could have been worse, not better, for him. This is to distract attention from Trump.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 01:58 PM

See? I was right. This statist thinks cops should be able to break into any house anywhere any time, even without probable cause or a warrant, provided he or she can credibly claim to have thought it to be a burglar's house.

Do I have this statist pegged, or what?

The president of the united states is allowed to inquire about anything he wants.
He is not breaking into anybody's house. He asked a question he is perfectly within his legal rights as head of the executive, enforcer of law,AND as ambassador in chief. He is within every right as granted to him by the constitution of the United States.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 01:59 PM

Actually Biden (as well as most European governments) wanted the prosecutor gone because he was NOT cracking down on corruption in the Ukraine. If his son was corrupt, that could have been worse, not better, for him. This is to distract attention from Trump.

according to the msm's deep state prepared talking points.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 02:04 PM

The president of the united states is allowed to inquire about anything he wants.
He is not breaking into anybody's house. He asked a question he is perfectly within his legal rights as head of the executive, enforcer of law,AND as ambassador in chief. He is within every right as granted to him by the constitution of the United States.

You think the president has the right to pass a Congressional budget, then withhold specific items from it on a whim, under the Constitution.

No, I'm wrong. I was already wrong when I typed the first two words of this post.

timosman

09-26-2019, 02:05 PM

If his son was corrupt

Are there any doubts? :confused:

Zippyjuan

09-26-2019, 02:06 PM

according to the msm's deep state prepared talking points.

vs your made up talking points. Or did you borrow from Swordsmyth's Internet Forum Guidebook of what phrases and talking points you should be using?

dannno

09-26-2019, 02:06 PM

Actually Biden (as well as most European governments) wanted the prosecutor gone because he was NOT cracking down on corruption in the Ukraine. If his son was corrupt, that could have been worse, not better, for him. This is to distract attention from Trump.

So this prosecutor was in the middle of investigating Biden's son for corruption, and they wanted him gone because he was not cracking down on corruption? Does that pass the smell test for you?

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 02:11 PM

What part of neither you nor I know for certain was I unclear about?

Sooo, an actual admission by Biden, causes you no worries. NO evidence whatsoever against Trump causes you to go full tilt.

Why am I not surprised.

specsaregood

09-26-2019, 02:11 PM

Ender

09-26-2019, 02:12 PM

kahless;6865329]This is nothing compared to Justin China Amash's business interests, if legislated to benefit himself and his Chinese businesses.

Justin Amash’s Business Interests in China Underscore His Push to Impeach Trump
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/justin-amashs-business-interests-in-china-underscore-his-push-to-impeach-trump/

Repeat: Not to mention that Trump has over 100 trademarks in China- 35 since he became president- but we never talk about that. :speaknoevil:

UWDude

09-26-2019, 02:12 PM

You think the president has the right to pass a Congressional budget, then withhold specific items from it on a whim, under the Constitution.

No, I'm wrong. I was already wrong when I typed the first two words of this post.

When did he withhold anything?

Oh, you mean when the vice-president, Joe Biden, Bragged to laughter of his sycophants that he ACTUALLY withheld the funds?

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 02:12 PM

You think the president has the right to pass a Congressional budget, then withhold specific items from it on a whim, under the Constitution.

No, I'm wrong. I was already wrong when I typed the first two words of this post.

Proof that Trump with held Congressional funds. Or even threatened to?

specsaregood

09-26-2019, 02:14 PM

You think the president has the right to pass a Congressional budget, then withhold specific items from it on a whim, under the Constitution.

No, I'm wrong. I was already wrong when I typed the first two words of this post.

Absolutely! Spending is under the purview of the executive branch. You are of the opinion that every penny allocated has to be spent?

UWDude

09-26-2019, 02:14 PM

vs your made up talking points.

what part is "made up".

I knew about Hunter Biden's Ukraine shennanigans a long time ago, and Daddy giving him cover a long time ago. this is not new information.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 02:15 PM

Sooo, an actual admission by Biden, causes you no worries. NO evidence whatsoever against Trump causes you to go full tilt.

Why am I not surprised.

Where did this bullshit come from?

You've seen my posts here for ten long years, yet you don't think I'm capable of believing that both a Democrat and a Republican are both guilty as sin at the same time, and ought to both share a cell in a federal penitentiary?

By the way, you still don't know there's no evidence against Trump. You're taking that completely on faith.

Zippyjuan

09-26-2019, 02:15 PM

So this prosecutor was in the middle of investigating Biden's son for corruption, and they wanted him gone because he was not cracking down on corruption? Does that pass the smell test for you?

The company was under investigation before Biden was even hired. Even Ukrainians held protests calling for his removal.

When Biden joined Burisma’s board, both the company and Zlochevsky were already the subject of intense controversy. Zlochevsky had served as a top official for Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who was forced out of office in early 2014, in part due to concerns over rampant corruption. Zlochevsky was accused of corruption as well, including for steering large government contracts to companies he owned.

One party investigating these allegations was the United Kingdom, because Zlochevsky had $23 million in a British bank account that UK officials believed has been laundered. Britain’s Serious Fraud Office froze that account, and shortly after Yanukovych left office in February 2014, sent a request to Ukrainian officials for documents it believed would help in prove its case. Following this request, the new Ukrainian government began its own investigation into Zlochevsky, looking into whether he embezzled public money.

In the midst of these troubles, Hunter Biden accepted a Burisma board seat, and was paid for his trouble, sometimes as much as $50,000 per month. It is unclear what he did for the company. Burisma said at the time that Biden — a lawyer — would be “in charge of” a legal unit. Biden told the New York Times in May 2019 that this was incorrect: “At no time was I in charge of the company’s legal affairs.”

Though none of this looks great for the Bidens, it is, unfortunately, routine business in Washington to hire the family members of powerful officials in hopes of gaining influence over public policy. For example, President Jimmy Carter’s brother, Billy; President George W. Bush’s brother, Neil; and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s brothers, Tony and Hugh Rodham were all involved in business interests that once drew concern.

Meanwhile, the UK and Ukraine continued to investigate Zlochevsky and other Yanukovych officials, often with the support of the US. But eventually, British investigators began to grow frustrated with what they characterized as a lack of cooperation from their Ukrainian counterparts, saying needed documents weren’t being provided.

The US became increasingly involved in the issue, and by December 2014, had sent a letter warning the new government would be forced to face unpleasant consequences if it didn’t do more to aid the UK. That threat went unheeded, and by 2015, British officials were forced to release the frozen funds, which Zlochevsky immediately moved to Cyprus, according to Bloomberg.

The part of the story that involves Joe Biden directly centers on the ouster of Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin.

In February 2015, Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, and promised critics of his country’s anti-corruption efforts at home, in the US, and at the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that a clean-up was on the way. And he claimed Burisma was in his sights.

But Shokin’s deputy, Vitaly Kasko, told Bloomberg that the promise was empty rhetoric. According to Kasko, their office did nothing to pursue its investigation into Zlochevsky throughout 2015, and the office was ineffective at reining in corruption generally, leading him to resign in frustration.

Shokin has disputed Kasko’s narrative, but the manner in which he was running his office also concerned the US ambassador to Ukraine, who said publicly in September 2015 that the office was “subverting” the UK’s investigation.

Concern at the embassy mounted, and by 2016, officials there began suggesting the Obama administration push for the prosecutor general’s ouster. In particular, the embassy suggested that $1 billion in loan guarantees the country hoped to receive from the US in order to stay solvent should be tied to a tougher anti-corruption strategy that involved removing officials seen as blocking progress, namely Shokin.

It wasn’t just the US that wanted Shokin gone, either — many other Western European officials, including the IMF’s then-managing director Christine Lagarde, also insisted Ukraine was doing far too little about corruption.

So in March 2016, Biden says he told the Ukrainian government that their loan guarantees would be cut off unless they removed Shokin. He told the story at a session at the Council on Foreign Relations in 2018.

“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours,” Biden told his audience. “I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’”

The former vice president said after the threat, “Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”

But though Biden may have taken credit for it, this was hardly his unique idea. “Everyone in the Western community wanted Shokin sacked,” Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told the Wall Street Journal. “The whole G-7, the IMF, the EBRD, everybody was united that Shokin must go, and the spokesman for this was Joe Biden.”

The people of Ukraine wanted Shokin gone as well, and demonstrated for his removal around the time of Biden’s threat. Shortly after that demonstration, Shokin was dismissed.

And despite his boast last year, Biden seem to have played a very minor role in Shokin’s firing. With the Obama administration, the idea to remove him came from the US’s embassy in Ukraine, and the sentiment the prosecutor was hindering anti-corruption efforts was shared by the US’s partners and Ukrainian citizens. Too, removing Shokin has the potential to hurt Hunter Biden given the US had him replaced in order to ensure someone more fully committed to pursuing an anti-corruption agenda — including an investigation into the former Ukraine official Mykola Zlochevsky — was installed.

Ender

09-26-2019, 02:15 PM

This couldn't be more inaccurate. Integrity matters. Lying to the public matters. Setting a good example matters. Upholding the oath to the Constitution matters.

If integrity matters then someone needs to get Trump off Twitter.

If the Constitution matters why are we still in a bunch of unconstitutional wars?

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 02:15 PM

"He did it first!" is not a valid defense (besides, it admits your own guilt). Biden also was not asking for dirt on a political opponent from a foreign country. Major difference.

There is NO "he did it first," none. Zero. Zip.

So NO. This is in NO kinda way a "he did it first" situation. But, please, keep pushing the Bolshevik perspective and talking point.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 02:19 PM

Where did this bull$#@! come from?

You've seen my posts here for ten long years, yet you don't think I'm capable of believing that both a Democrat and a Republican are both guilty as sin at the same time, and ought to both share a cell in a federal penitentiary?

By the way, you still don't know there's no evidence against Trump. You're taking that completely on faith.

Oh, i forgot... ..they are all secretly working together, and this is juist "free publicity" to get Trump re-elected, like all the "free publicity" he got before the elections.

Amash must be in on this plot too! Knew he was a traitor, now ACPTulsa has confirmed!

thats what retard just said half an hour ago. It all one big uniparty plot to get Trump more power.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 02:19 PM

Where did this bullshit come from?

You've seen my posts here for ten long years, yet you don't think I'm capable of believing that both a Democrat and a Republican are both guilty as sin at the same time, and ought to both share a cell in a federal penitentiary?

There is NO sin here. What the hell are you talking about. Do you not think it is the purveyance for the chief of the Executive to investigate former Executive's for illegal activity that they have ADMITTED to doing?

Todd

09-26-2019, 02:26 PM

https://twitter.com/realSteveAlex/status/1177237969633255425/photo/1

Oh now I get why this rag decided to mention his Palestinian heritage.

Amash is a Turrerest...

UWDude

09-26-2019, 02:28 PM

You keep saying that as if the MSM blacklisted Trump too. The MSM did not blacklist Trump. They gave him a gazillion dollars' worth of free publicity 24/7 on a thousand channels for years.

Some people are smart enough to realize a blacklist is not the same as a gazillion dollars' worth of free publicity. Some people are smart enough to realize the media also pretended to hate Reagan, both Bushes, Dole, McCain, and Romney too, because they know Republicans love who the liburral media pretends to hate (but never hear of those the media actually blacklist).

is this grand uniparty conspiracy to get Trump elected by bashing him 24/7 over? They kept bashing him 24/7 after the election, so the uniparty must still be plotting to get him re-elected, right? Or was the bad press before the election good bad press, but bad press after actual attempts to harm Trump?

if they are still helping him, why is Justin Amash too stupid to see he is actually helping Ztrump?

And why do the people like you continue to spend so much time giving Trump more free press? Are you part of the uniparty plot, or just some schlub that cant help but become a pawn of the great uniparty strategy of bashing Trum to get him re-elected?

(watch the cognitive dissonance melt-down on this one, it will be epic)

timosman

09-26-2019, 02:33 PM

There is NO "he did it first," none. Zero. Zip.

So NO. This is in NO kinda way a "he did it first" situation. But, please, keep pushing the Bolshevik perspective and talking point.

That's why Zippy gets paid big bucks.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 02:36 PM

Absolutely! Spending is under the purview of the executive branch. You are of the opinion that every penny allocated has to be spent?

You know, this comment is just one of many here that doesn't deserve a response. But I can't resist. I'm having too much fun imagining the cussing you'd have done if Obama had said, back in 2016, "Yes, FBI, I know Congress budgeted you money and I signed off on it. But I'm going to withhold all your salaries until you give me useful dirt on Donald Trump."

And yes, all you partisans, I would have also been cussing had that happened. I'm no partisan, and I'm no hypocrite.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 02:49 PM

You know, this comment is just one of many here that doesn't deserve a response. But I can't resist. I'm having too much fun imagining the cussing you'd have done if Obama had said, back in 2016, "Yes, FBI, I know Congress budgeted you money and I signed off on it. But I'm going to withhold all your salaries until you give me useful dirt on Donald Trump."

And yes, all you partisans, I would have also been cussing had that happened. I'm no partisan, and I'm no hypocrite.

Except it didn't. And what is going on now has no bearing. None. Zero. Zip.

And all you can do is bring up a straw-man about something totally unrelated and in the stratosphere. Something that didn't happen that somehow you wish to conflate with something Trump has done.

So all your doing here is pushing a Bolshevik talking point.

Don't tell me you are not partisan. You didn't start a thread stating "OMG! Trump totally exposed Biden!"

Which is what he did. THAT is what is being forgotten, lost, ignored, in the TDS bullshit.

And you are complicit.

Outraged over something that cannot be proven, but it is against Trump, so you're all for it.

Don't tell me you are not partisan. It's bullshit.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 02:57 PM

Don't tell me you are not partisan. It's bull$#@!.

He isnt partisan. He has concocted a fantasy world where all this, all the bad press, impeachment talk for three years, etc, all a ruse to get Trump elected, and then re-elected. He is a partisan, if you consider fighting the uniparty, by helping them by bashing Trump. :tears:

tulsa has gone loony trying to justify his hate for Trump. In complete denial about his feelings.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 03:14 PM

He isnt partisan. He has concocted a fantasy world where all this, all the bad press, impeachment talk for three years, etc, all a ruse to get Trump elected, and then re-elected. He is a partisan, if you consider fighting the uniparty, by helping them by bashing Trump. :tears:

tulsa has gone loony trying to justify his hate for Trump. In complete denial about his feelings.

i gotta admit though, ACPTulsa's strategy of helping Trump by bashing him 24/7 does work. Trump has turned out to be a mediocre president, but when you got tards like zip posting msm shit 15 times a day,tulsa spouting fantasies and denials of reality, ender posting videos of johnny depp and defending every whore that claims trump touched them in the past 30 years.. ...i reflexively hate their guts and love Trump more, so keep it up ACPTulsa... ...*wink wink* glad to know we are all actually pro Trump here, just using different tactics to get him re elected

MAGA

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 03:21 PM

Don't tell me you are not partisan. You didn't start a thread stating "OMG! Trump totally exposed Biden!"

I have to start a thread titled "OMG! Trump totally exposed Biden!" to be nonpartisan? Even though I did not start any threads titled, "OMG! Somebody totally exposed Trump!" either?

You have a funny idea of what nonpartisan means.

i gotta admit though, ACPTulsa's strategy of helping Trump by bashing him 24/7 does work. Trump has turned out to be a mediocre president, but when you got tards like zip posting msm $#@! 15 times a day,tulsa spouting fantasies and denials of reality, ender posting videos of johnny depp and defending every whore that claims trump touched them in the past 30 years.. ...i reflexively hate their guts and love Trump more, so keep it up ACPTulsa... ...*wink wink* glad to know we are all actually pro Trump here, just using different tactics to get him re elected

MAGA

So my world, where the candidate that gets the most publicity wins 90% of the time and Republicans have been nominating candidates the media pretends to hate for generations, is less real...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd_KaF3-Bcw

...than your world, where Trump excludes neocons from the cabinet, shuts down bureaucracies, ends wars and generally drains the Deep State Reptiles from the swamp.

Got it. You've been in dannno's stash again.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 03:37 PM

I have to start a thread titled "OMG! Trump totally exposed Biden!" to be nonpartisan? Even though I did not start any threads titled, "OMG! Somebody totally exposed Trump!" either?

You have a funny idea of what nonpartisan means.

No. You have to equally apply outrage. Which you don't. Shouldn't you be joyful that Biden has been exposed? Shouldn't you be calling for a full investigation of THAT?

No. You're on the TDS train. Nothing else matters.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 03:58 PM

He isnt partisan. He has concocted a fantasy world where all this, all the bad press, impeachment talk for three years, etc, all a ruse to get Trump elected, and then re-elected. He is a partisan, if you consider fighting the uniparty, by helping them by bashing Trump. :tears:

tulsa has gone loony trying to justify his hate for Trump. In complete denial about his feelings.

No, he becomes a partisan when his attacks become one sided. He is not exalting in the fact that Biden has been exposed of corruption. He's not acknowledging Trumps role in exposing corruption by Biden. He is merely outraged that Trump was the one to expose it. And, through straw-man arguments, apples to oranges contrivances, comes here to tell us about how Orange-Man Bad, is bad. And we'd best get behind this impeachment process. The latest in all the other nothings. Filled with the latest Bolshevik talking points. About nothing.
To the point of ignoring the actual SOMETHING. Corruption on behalf of a then- Vice President, that used his power in an unlawful way.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 04:00 PM

When he's allegedly doing it for personal political purposes and trying to cover it up.
So you are a mind reader now?
Or you think the MSM can read minds?

Even if you could read minds motive DOESN'T matter, it's his job to pursue corruption against the corrupt.

The TDS in this thread is sickening.

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 04:01 PM

No. You have to equally apply outrage. Which you don't. Shouldn't you be joyful that Biden has been exposed? Shouldn't you be calling for a full investigation of THAT?

No. You're on the TDS train. Nothing else matters.

I'd love to see Biden in jail. I don't consider him a threat, because I know he'll never be elected to any office ever again. The only chance he has would be to become someone's running mate again, and since everyone now knows he's a crooked, creepy cretin, he'd probably doom the ticket the way he'd have doomed Obama's candidacy if people had known then what we all know now. But whether he's a threat or not, I'd love to see him in prison.

I'd like even better to see a Clinton or two in prison. Not holding my breath. But they've all earned a cell.

Why do I have to proclaim this? Why do I have to be joyful yet another politician has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar, especially knowing the odds against him getting what he deserves? Because this means the Democrats have to nominate someone else--possibly someone with ten times his appeal? Why?

So you are a mind reader now?

The TDS in this thread is sickening.

Are you a mind reader now? Do you think you're any better at correctly diagnosing TDS than Phil is? Or is it just your job to deny that both evils are so evil, The Lesser Evil® is much too evil to support over the other evil?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WS2Bsq5PDmU

UWDude

09-26-2019, 04:04 PM

So you are a mind reader now?
Or you think the MSM can read minds?

Even if you could read minds motive DOESN'T matter, it's his job to pursue corruption against the corrupt.

The TDS in this thread is sickening.

bro... does "according to sources familiar with his thinking" mean nothing to you? PROOF,

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 04:07 PM

Are you a mind reader now? Do you think you're any better at correctly diagnosing TDS than Phil is? Or is it just your job to deny that both evils are so evil, The Lesser Evil® is much too evil to support over the other evil?
I don't have to read minds, you TDS victims spew garbage all over this thread.

Trump was doing his job and Amash is undermining the rule of law and protecting the corrupt.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 04:07 PM

I'd love to see Biden in jail.

Then you agree with Trump's call to a foreign leader asking for cooperation with the intelligence agencies for an open inquiry into Biden's admitted corruption?

UWDude

09-26-2019, 04:07 PM

So my world, where the candidate that gets the most publicity wins 90% of the time and Republicans have been nominating candidates the media pretends to hate for generations....

so, is the media still trying to help him get elected now? Are we still in your world where all the bad press and impeachment talk is actually a plot to get him re-elected?

And if that is the case, why are you helping Trump so much by giving him more publicity?

LoL, you talk as if you believe your stupid bs, but your walk says you are full of bs.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 04:14 PM

I think that's the point of the impeachment investigation to determine if this is true.

I have read the memo of the call and I have read the whistleblower complaint. The complaint says it's unclear whether such a Ukrainian investigation exists so it alleges he is trying to use his office of president to have a foreign entity prosecute a political opponent. And alleges Trump covered up the call. Trump released a memo of the conversation. Is it the same as the word for word transcript? Why did he try to cover up the call? I think that's the point of the impeachment inquiry.
There is no probable cause for an investigation or prosecution, shall we allow and encourage the police to get search warrants and start prosecuting you because someone alleges you had bad motives when you exercised your right to buy a gun?
Maybe we should get you Red Flagged until we are sure you aren't planning to assassinate politicians, your record of speech online indicates that might be what you are planning.

:rolleyes:

Maybe Congress should just impeach the President on a permanent ongoing basis to see if he is ever thinking about getting votes when he makes official decisions.:sarcasm:

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 04:14 PM

I don't have to read minds, you TDS victims spew garbage all over this thread.

You don't have to read minds, you can redefine "TDS victim" whenever necessary. So anyone you disagree with can fit the description at any time--even Ivanka.

Then you agree with Trump's call to a foreign leader asking for cooperation with the intelligence agencies for an open inquiry into Biden's admitted corruption?

Why not? He could even force the issue with bribery, with a little cooperation from Congress.

so, is the media still trying to help him get elected now? Are we still in your world where all the bad press and impeachment talk is actually a plot to get him re-elected?

And if that is the case, why are you helping Trump so much by giving him more publicity?

LoL, you talk as if you believe your stupid bs, but your walk says you are full of bs.

You consider this a meaningful dose of "publicity"?

Does dannno's know you're still all up in his stash?

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 04:15 PM

Then you agree with Trump's call to a foreign leader asking for cooperation with the intelligence agencies for an open inquiry into Biden's admitted corruption?
But it has to be illegal because Biden says he wants to run for office.
Being a politician is a permanent "Get Out Of Jail Free" card, the MSM told them so.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 04:19 PM

Repeat: Not to mention that Trump has over 100 trademarks in China- 35 since he became president- but we never talk about that. :speaknoevil:

Maybe because he isn't doing China's bidding.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 04:23 PM

But it has to be illegal because Biden says he wants to run for office.
Being a politician is a permanent "Get Out Of Jail Free" card, the MSM told them so.

Sure, as long as Biden puts his name in the hat every election he's fine. No problem. That's what the Bolsheviks and their mass media want us to believe.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 04:25 PM

Why not? He could even force the issue with bribery, with a little cooperation from Congress.

Well, first he'd have to investigate it right? Get some proof? Otherwise, it would just be an Bolshevik talking point that it is nothing but bad grapes.

R U even SRS?

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 04:31 PM

Well, first he'd have to investigate it right? Get some proof? Otherwise, it would just be an Bolshevik talking point that it is nothing but bad grapes.

R U even SRS?

Using public money allocated by Congress to aid a campaign is serious. I've seen no proof that happened. But if proof gets in certain hands, the shit will hit the fan. Whether you or I like it or not.

As for me, I'd love to see both Biden and Trump go down for the exact same thing. Anything to make American voters ask themselves what the Sam Hill they're doing voting for these two parties.

As for Congressional cooperation, of course that won't happen. But, you know, he could use campaign funds to bribe a Ukrainian or two. If he did, I might even contribute to him.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 04:43 PM

You don't have to read minds, you can redefine "TDS victim" whenever necessary. So anyone you disagree with can fit the description at any time--even Ivanka.

Why not? He could even force the issue with bribery, with a little cooperation from Congress.

You consider this a meaningful dose of "publicity"?

Does dannno's know you're still all up in his stash?

so the deep state is now trying to kick out the gyy they gave "gazillions" in free publicity too? the guy they wanted to win real bad by thrashing him in the media all day every day?

:tears:

you are such a fucking tard.

BTW, you never answered: in your fantasy, when did all the bad press stop being done to help him? Or is all this bad press still supposed to help him? Ive seen no difference i pre-election coverage and post election coverage.

Ender

09-26-2019, 04:56 PM

Here's the "whistleblower's" full transcript of what/why/where- pretty interesting.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/26/read-the-trump-ukraine-whistleblower-complaint-002239

acptulsa

09-26-2019, 04:58 PM

so the deep state is now trying to kick out the gyy they gave "gazillions" in free publicity too?

So why do you think Clinton was impeached? Do you think your "Deep State" disapproved of that, but it happened anyway?

And how much shit went down while you were distracted by that? How much did they benefit from the partisan divide?

As for the bad press, does it ever apply to actual bad things? Or is it all directed at what the definition of is is?

Thank you for calling me a 'tard. That's quite a compliment, coming from you or dannno.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 05:02 PM

Using public money allocated by Congress to aid a campaign

That's not what happened even if Trump involved aid money.
Trump was investigating a crime and if that happens to help him it doesn't matter.

UWDude

09-26-2019, 05:04 PM

So why do you think Clinton was impeached? Do you think your "Deep State" disapproved of that, but it happened anyway?

And how much $#@! went down while you were distracted by that? How much did they benefit from the partisan divide?

As for the bad press, does it ever apply to actual bad things? Or is it all directed at what the definition of is is?

Thank you for calling me a 'tard. That's quite a compliment, coming from you or dannno.

answer the question, quit dodging, is this the deep state helping Trump some more or not?

if it is, why is Justin Amash helping?

And if it is, why are you always helping Trump with "publicity" and "distractions" ?

you dont believe a god damned thing you are saying. you may think you believe it, but if you actually believed it, you would not be helping keep Trump elected, or helping "distract" from the "real story".

You would be searching for "the real story" and promoting "the real story".

you are full of shit.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 05:06 PM

answer the question, quit dodging, is this the deep state helping Trump some more or not?

if it is, why is Justin Amash helping?

And if it is, why are you always helping Trump with "publicity" and "distractions" ?

you dont believe a god damned thing you are saying. you may think you believe it, but if you actually believed it, you would not be helping keep Trump elected, or helping "distract" from the "real story".

You would be searching for "the real story" and promoting "the real story".

you are full of $#@!.
+Rep

CCTelander

09-26-2019, 05:12 PM

https://comicsandmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/Captain-Marvel-Meme-004-captain-triggered.jpg

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 05:15 PM

https://comicsandmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/Captain-Marvel-Meme-004-captain-triggered.jpg

Where did you get that picture of Amash?

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 06:38 PM

Here's the "whistleblower's" full transcript of what/why/where- pretty interesting.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/26/read-the-trump-ukraine-whistleblower-complaint-002239

Let me summarize...

It reads....

I'm a CIA agent. I have no personal knowledge, but you HAVE to believe me when I say, Trump needs to be impeached. 'Cause he's bad. And shit.

Ender

09-26-2019, 06:41 PM

Let me summarize...

It reads....

I'm a CIA agent. I have no personal knowledge, but you HAVE to believe me when I say, Trump needs to be impeached. 'Cause he's bad. And $#@!.

So, you didn't read it.

EBounding

09-26-2019, 06:53 PM

So you are a mind reader now?
Or you think the MSM can read minds?

Even if you could read minds motive DOESN'T matter, it's his job to pursue corruption against the corrupt.

The TDS in this thread is sickening.

I'm not mind reading. I'm repeating what's in the complaint.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 06:57 PM

I'm not mind reading. I'm repeating what's in the complaint.
Which is an attempt at mind reading, that makes it hearsay mind reading.

Give it up already, even if it could be proven that Trump wanted to hurt Biden's run that wouldn't make it criminal, it would just mean Trump had an extra motivation to do his job.

When you commit a crime, which Biden did, you open yourself up to being taken down for it by anyone with any motive.
Investigating a crime with a proper probable cause (Biden bragged about the crime) is not and can't be a crime.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 07:09 PM

Here's the "whistleblower's" full transcript of what/why/where- pretty interesting.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/26/read-the-trump-ukraine-whistleblower-complaint-002239

https://twitter.com/joegooding/status/1176667137831837696

1176667137831837696

Inspector General Report Finds Whistleblower Had ‘Political Bias’ In Favor Of ‘Rival Candidate’ (https://thegreggjarrett.com/inspector-report-whistleblower-political-bias-favor-rival-candidate/)

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 07:10 PM

Wow! “Ukraine Whistleblower’s lead attorney donated to Biden.” @FreeBeacon (https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 25, 2019 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1176922746976178178?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 07:10 PM

So, you didn't read it.

Yep. I did. I guess you buy the drivel. I don't. Trump was investigating corruption by Biden. The deep state needed to offset the investigation and try to get ahead of it so they concocted this shit. That's what I read. Another nobody, no nothing, that heard something from somebody.
Must be great to be a Ron Paul fan that cheers on the C.I.A. Interesting dichotomy.

EBounding

09-26-2019, 07:39 PM

I'm not mind reading. I'm repeating what's in the complaint.

Which is an attempt at mind reading, that makes it hearsay mind reading.

The complaint should be ignored?

UWDude

09-26-2019, 07:41 PM

The complaint should be ignored?

Yup, just like the Mueller report.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 07:43 PM

The complaint should be ignored?
This one should.

At most Congress could ask Trump to release the transcript and the complaint, he did that and now it is clear the complaint should be ignored.

Should the police start an investigation/prosecution of you and get search warrants every time a crank neighbor complains?

EBounding

09-26-2019, 08:00 PM

This one should.

At most Congress could ask Trump to release the transcript and the complaint, he did that and now it is clear the complaint should be ignored.

Should the police start an investigation/prosecution of you and get search warrants every time a crank neighbor complains?

If there's probable cause.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 08:05 PM

If there's probable cause.

There isn't and that's why I called him a crank.

Even if there was alleged probable cause there isn't probable cause because he is relaying hearsay.

EBounding

09-26-2019, 08:16 PM

There isn't and that's why I called him a crank.

Even if there was alleged probable cause there isn't probable cause because he is relaying hearsay.

It's Congress's job to be the check on Presidential power. The president isn't a term limited monarch.

GunnyFreedom

09-26-2019, 08:18 PM

Everyone here probably already knows that I like Amash and that I am not really a fan of Trump, but Amash has lost the bubble here. There is literally zero evidence of a quid pro quo on this Ukraine thing. He could have and maybe should have issued an independent bill of impeachment delineating the actual Constitutional violence, such as say an Executive Order banning bump stocks.

Sure, the Dems would never get behind charge specifications that are actually Constitutionally legitimate, but as a matter of integrity you don’t say, “well, the jury will never convict for armed robbery so let’s fabricate a charge of statutory rape.”

Honestly this feels political, and I am disappointed in Amash over this. He’s got plenty of material to do this right. Every President back to Washington with maybe one or two exceptions has done impeachment worthy things. Including Thomas Jefferson and James Madison who were arguably the two most Constitutional Presidents in American history.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 08:19 PM

It's Congress's job to be the check on Presidential power. The president isn't a term limited monarch.
That's nice but irrelevant, even if the accusations were 100% correct and from an eye/ear witness there isn't anything that Trump did wrong.
Investigating Biden's crimes is not a crime and even if Trump's mind could be read his motive couldn't make it one.

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 08:31 PM

I find this whole situation hilarious. I have progressive friends on FB. Under any other circumstance they are the first to claim "We gotcha." Funny, this time around not a single solitary one has posted anything about this. It's almost like every single one is tired of losing over bullshit allegations.

Love it. PLEASE move to impeach. Please.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 08:36 PM

I find this whole situation hilarious. I have progressive friends on FB. Under any other circumstance they are the first to claim "We gotcha." Funny, this time around not a single solitary one has posted anything about this. It's almost like every single one is tired of losing over bull$#@! allegations.

Love it. PLEASE move to impeach. Please.
So your leftist friends are saner than some posters here?

phill4paul

09-26-2019, 08:41 PM

So your leftist friends are saner than some posters here?

Appears so. Or perhaps even they have gotten tired of the Bolshevik never get anything done rhetoric.

Swordsmyth

09-26-2019, 09:17 PM

I stand with Rand. (And Ron)

Rand Paul Slams Democrats’ ‘Desperate Witch Hunt’ Against Donald Trump (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?539595-Rand-Paul-Slams-Democrats’-‘Desperate-Witch-Hunt’-Against-Donald-Trump)

Amash stands with Romney.

Mach

09-26-2019, 09:33 PM

Here's something from a few months ago, just the basics, but they (ABC) have probably changed their tones, now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH_sdTC7Anw

https://pics.me.me/as-vice-president-joe-biden-gave-a-speech-in-ukraine-25538487.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzEV7rd86KY

Mach

09-26-2019, 09:34 PM

What?

https://pics.me.me/sniff-sniff-sniff-0-joe-biden-hunter-biden-ukraine-garrison-47033839.png

enhanced_deficit

09-26-2019, 10:13 PM

Amash is endorsing the idiotic idea that foreign countries aren't allowed to say anything about our politicians ...

^this.

India’s prime minister accused of “interfering” in the next US presidential election (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?539559-India%92s-prime-minister-accused-of-%93interfering%94-in-the-next-US-presidential-election&p=6865340&viewfull=1#post6865340)

Backlash against Modi as Indian PM 'endorses Trump for 2020 in breach of diplomatic convention'

Speaking in Texas, Modi repeated to rapturous applause the borrowed Trump campaign slogan: ‘Abki baar Trump sarkar (This time, [a] Trump government)’September 23, 2019

Narendra Modi, India’s prime minister, has been accused of “interfering” in the next US presidential election after he gave a speech in Texas that critics say tacitly endorsed Donald Trump for re-election in 2020.
Mr Modi made the comments as he appeared onstage alongside the US president during a rally in Houston on Sunday, which was attended by more than 50,000 members of the Indian diaspora.

Temporary relief to Indians in US! Work ban on H-1B visa holders' spouses pushed back till 2020

A 2015 rule issued by Barack Obama allowed work permits for certain categories of H-4 visa holders (dependent family members - spouse and children - of the H-1B visa holders), who otherwise could not be employed
September 19, 2019

Trump nominates Indian American to replace Kavanaugh

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is nominating administration official Neomi Rao to fill the appeals court seat previously held by Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.
Trump’s announcement came on Nov. 13 during the White House’s celebration of Diwali, the Hindu festival of light. Rao, who is Indian American, was present at the event.
Trump said he was nominating Rao for the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit — sometimes referred to as the nation’s second-highest court. Rao currently serves as the administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA), which is part of the Office of Management and Budget.