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Zippyjuan
09-23-2019, 02:42 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-judge-napolitano-says-trumps-ukraine-debacle-most-serious-charge-hes-faced-office-1460834


Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano said allegations that President Donald Trump sought help from another foreign leader to take on his opponent in the 2020 presidential election is the "most serious charge" he has faced.

Napolitano said if the whistleblower's claims are proven true and Trump committed an "act of corruption" with the Ukranian government, the ramifications could be far more intense than any scrutiny brought as a result of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. Trump has rebuked claims of a quid pro quo conversation between himself and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a July 25 phone call in which Trump reportedly demanded an investigation into "corruption" tied to former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.

"Who is in more trouble here," Fox Business Network's David Asman asked Napolitano Monday. "The president who had this phone call with the Ukrainian leader or Joe Biden who actually did have a quid pro quo with regard to Ukraine when he was vice president?"

"Well that depends who you ask," Napolitano replied with a laugh, before continuing. "I think this is the most serious charge against the president, far more serious than what Bob Mueller dug or dragged up against him. If there was a quid pro quo—it does appear as though a quarter of a billion dollars in defensive weaponry was held back for a period of time while these eight conversations were going on between the president."

Napolitano referenced reports the U.S. and Ukraine were in discussions over a $250 million military aid package for Kiev that has since been withheld in exchange for dirt on Biden, Trump's potential Democratic opponent in the upcoming election.

Trump has rejected the reports and labeled the whistleblower "highly partisan." The president responded via Twitter Thursday, "Is anybody dumb enough to believe that I would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader while on such a potentially 'heavily populated' call?"

But Napolitano pushed back against Trump's logic. "So if you are the President of the United States and you are making a conversation that you know your intelligence community is listening to. Of course you're not going to articulate a quid pro quo. You'll just make the quid pro quo happen."

Reports have also indicated the White House and Justice Department attempted to suppress the whistleblower's complaint. The Trump-Ukraine debacle comes just six months after Special Counsel Mueller concluded his investigation into allegations of Trump's shady dealings with another foreign government: Russia.

Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani has appeared on several cable news outlets attempting to redirect attention toward conspiratorial claims about Hunter Biden's ties to "selling public offices" and laundered money from Ukraine. Giuliani accused a range of Democratic party affiliated names including Obama, the Clintons and George Soros into his competing Biden-Ukraine claims and has also adamantly defended Trump's actions.

A Ukraine prosecutor in May said there was zero wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden and completely dismissed Giuliani's claims.

"The reality is that the President of the United States, whoever he is, has every right to tell the president of another country you better straighten out the corruption in your country if you want me to give you a lot of money. If you're so damn corrupt that you can't investigate allegations -- our money is going to get squandered," Giuliani said this week.

timosman
09-23-2019, 02:46 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1176219043965079552

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Brian4Liberty
09-23-2019, 02:51 PM
The TDS crowd has gone to full hysterical mode on this today.

Completely ignoring the fact that it was Biden who publicly bragged about blackmailing a foreign power for personal family game. The logic now is that the government (Trump Admin), cannot investigate this supposed crime, because Biden is running for office. Very convenient. Does Hillary have this same immunity as a former official and candidate?

oyarde
09-23-2019, 03:32 PM
I heard someone say corruption then biden . Good because everyone knows those go together . What next ?

Swordsmyth
09-23-2019, 03:36 PM
It's a joke.

Judge Swamp strikes again.

juleswin
09-23-2019, 03:48 PM
a more rational person explains the whole "scandal"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-aE5z5OGnQ

UWDude
09-23-2019, 03:52 PM
As always, it is upside down world in the media.

The scandal isn't Biden leaning on Ukriane as VP to drop corruption charges against his son.

Nope...

...the big scandal is Trump talked to Ukraine, and during that talk, didn't say anything, and by not saying anything, implied quid pro quo.

This is ridiculous bullshit, and he knows it.

Napolitano is a traitor with the rest of the MSM.


But Napolitano pushed back against Trump's logic. "So if you are the President of the United States and you are making a conversation that you know your intelligence community is listening to. Of course you're not going to articulate a quid pro quo. You'll just make the quid pro quo happen."

In other word, what he did not say is proof of his guilt. Can't get him on what was said, never mind he can say whatever he wants as ambassador in chief.

Every step of the way, they are going to claim justice is "trump evening the score" and "abusing his power" and "targeting his political opponents"

specsaregood
09-23-2019, 04:10 PM
Napolitano has lost his mind.

Swordsmyth
09-23-2019, 04:12 PM
As always, it is upside down world in the media.

The scandal isn't Biden leaning on Ukriane as VP to drop corruption charges against his son.

Nope...

...the big scandal is Trump talked to Ukraine, and during that talk, didn't say anything, and by not saying anything, implied quid pro quo.

This is ridiculous bull$#@!, and he knows it.

Napolitano is a traitor with the rest of the MSM.



In other word, what he did not say is proof of his guilt. Can't get him on what was said, never mind he can say whatever he wants as ambassador in chief.

Every step of the way, they are going to claim justice is "trump evening the score" and "abusing his power" and "targeting his political opponents"
Their projection is terminal.

Cleaner44
09-23-2019, 04:33 PM
The TDS crowd has gone to full hysterical mode on this today.

Completely ignoring the fact that it was Biden who publicly bragged about blackmailing a foreign power for personal family game. The logic now is that the government (Trump Admin), cannot investigate this supposed crime, because Biden is running for office. Very convenient. Does Hillary have this same immunity as a former official and candidate?

Meanwhile if Trump were calling Putin for help to take on Russian election hackers, he would be doing good work.

Since when is it bad for world leaders to work together to catch criminals?

Brian4Liberty
09-23-2019, 04:38 PM
Meanwhile if Trump were calling Putin for help to take on Russian election hackers, he would be doing good work.

Since when is it bad for world leaders to work together to catch criminals?

If the criminals are Democrats. Or neoconservatives. Or RINOs. Or establishment stooges.

Swordsmyth
09-23-2019, 04:38 PM
Meanwhile if Trump were calling Putin for help to take on Russian election hackers, he would be doing good work.

Since when is it bad for world leaders to work together to catch criminals?
When you are the criminals.

Brian4Liberty
09-23-2019, 04:40 PM
Napolitano has lost his mind.

No doubt some dramatic changes have occurred in his life.

UWDude
09-23-2019, 04:42 PM
No doubt some dramatic changes have occurred in his life.

Member when Napolitano said he was surprised what the FBI could find?

I member.

phill4paul
09-23-2019, 04:43 PM
Napolitano has lost his mind.

He went from being a liberty proponent to being a liberal pillow biter. Money does that.

UWDude
09-23-2019, 04:50 PM
He went from being a liberty proponent to being a liberal pillow biter. Money does that.

You can get more with a kind word and a gun, then just a kind word.

~~Al Capone




Bribe them in one hand and threaten them with the other, and the biggest of people will buckle.

PursuePeace
09-23-2019, 04:53 PM
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Brian4Liberty
09-23-2019, 06:13 PM
The whistleblower who sparked a mounting controversy over President Trump’s July phone call with Ukraine’s president did not have “firsthand knowledge” of the conversation, a person familiar with the situation told Fox News -- even as the issue fuels impeachment calls from Democrats.

The source said that it is made clear in the complaint itself that the whistleblower did not have direct knowledge of the July phone call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
...
But in a letter last week, the general counsel for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence ODNI), Jason Klitenic, wrote that the agency is protecting the whistleblower and argued the allegation does not meet the definition of "urgent concern." He said the complaint "concerned conduct from someone outside the intelligence community and did not relate to `intelligence activity' under the DNI's supervision."
...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/source-says-whistleblower-didnt-have-firsthand-knowledge-of-trump-call-with-ukraine-president

It’s a bit ironic how the word “whistle-blower” is being used so reverently by the Democrats. Guess hearsay is good enough. Kind of makes one think it isn’t a real whistle-blower, as real whistle-blowers are usually not treated very well by DC...

Anti Globalist
09-23-2019, 06:26 PM
What has happened to Napolitano? He's fallen from grace. Is he off his rocker or is somebody blackmailing him or something? Has he fallen to TDS?

UWDude
09-23-2019, 07:03 PM
What has happened to Napolitano? He's fallen from grace. Is he off his rocker or is somebody blackmailing him or something? Has he fallen to TDS?

Napolitano said he has sources that the five eyes intelligence agencies helped gather dirt on Trump. He was later shown to be correct on that.

However, the day after he said that, he was suspended from FOX News. It lasted for about 6 months.

When he came back, he suddenly believed in Russian collusion, and noted he was surprised the kinds of things the FBI could find.

timosman
09-23-2019, 07:05 PM
Napolitano said he has sources that the five eyes intelligence agencies helped gather dirt on Trump. He was later shown to be correct on that.

However, the day after he said that, he was suspended from FOX News. It lasted for about 6 months.

When he came back, he suddenly believed in Russian collusion, and noted he was surprised the kinds of things the FBI could find.

What does it tell us about Trump? :confused:

dannno
09-23-2019, 08:24 PM
What has happened to Napolitano? He's fallen from grace. Is he off his rocker or is somebody blackmailing him or something? Has he fallen to TDS?

He's preparing to be appointed to SCOTUS.

dannno
09-23-2019, 08:26 PM
What does it tell us about Trump? :confused:

He's clean?

timosman
09-23-2019, 08:29 PM
He's preparing to be appointed to SCOTUS.

A media character on SCOTUS?:confused:

timosman
09-23-2019, 08:29 PM
He's clean?

Is he in control?

Swordsmyth
09-23-2019, 08:32 PM
He's preparing to be appointed to SCOTUS.

I used to think that was a slight possibility.
Not anymore.
He is too old and he has gone ever farther off the deep end.

UWDude
09-23-2019, 09:16 PM
Is he in control?

There was a certified high level Trump administration guy who did an AMA on Reddit.
(Trump himself has done an AMA on Reddit).
The answer is complex. Is it feint or bluff?
This guy said bluff. The whole thing, Q, all of it.
Said surrounded all sides hostile.
Said Q very wrong, no secret plan, just fighting subterfuge every day and losing, and still an outsider.

timosman
09-25-2019, 12:05 AM
https://twitter.com/TrollasaurusRx/status/1176678282739245057

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Swordsmyth
09-29-2019, 11:17 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/q7Vfkqhr/1569817550383.jpg

r3volution 3.0
09-30-2019, 12:11 AM
I read the Trump-party people and think about that Bill Hicks bit about George Michael.

...but that's just me.