Trump says U.S. ‘locked and loaded’ after attack on Saudi oil

[Zippyjuan]

Good thing his war mongering National Security Adviser was fired. So who, exactly, is the US "locked and loaded" to attack now? Yemen? Iran? Is Pompeo the true neo-con in his administration? Or is it Trump?



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President Donald Trump on Sunday said the United States was “locked and loaded” following a drone attack on a major Saudi Arabian oil facility, which the Trump administration is blaming on Iran.

The attack has cut into global energy supplies by halving the kingdom’s oil production.

“Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!”

The president’s tweet follows Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s assertion Saturday that Iran was squarely to blame for the attack on key Saudi oil infrastructure, and comes amid heightened tensions between Iran and the U.S.

"Tehran is behind nearly 100 attacks on Saudi Arabia while Rouhani and Zarif pretend to engage in diplomacy,” Pompeo wrote on Twitter. “Amid all the calls for de-escalation, Iran has now launched an unprecedented attack on the world’s energy supply. There is no evidence the attacks came from Yemen.”

White House counselor Kellyanne Conway echoed those sentiments. "The Iranian regime is responsible for this attack on civilian areas and infrastructure vital to our global energy supply and we're not going to stand for that," she said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

Iran has denied responsibility.

Also Sunday, Trump took to Twitter to announce that he authorized the use of oil from the U.S. strategic petroleum reserve to “keep the markets well-supplied,” if needed. Additionally, he continued to assure the stability of global oil markets by tweeting, “PLENTY OF OIL!”

State-owned oil giant Saudi Aramco describes its Abqaiq oil processing facility in Buqyaq as “the largest crude oil stabilization plant in the world,” according to the Associated Press. Prices on crude oil futures rose in trading Sunday night.


He also says he is no longer willing to meet with Iran- contradicting Pompeo just last week.

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https://www.courthousenews.com/pompeo-says-trump-willing-to-meet-with-president-of-iran-at-the-u-n/


Less than two hours after the firing of National Security Advisor John Bolton, known for his hawkish policies on Iran, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo Tuesday said President Donald Trump is willing to meet with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani later this month at the U.N. General Assembly.

French President Emmanuel Macron, seeking to salvage the 2015 Iran nuclear deal, hopes to arrange the meeting to discuss a $15 billion line of credit for Iran to persuade it to maintain the freeze on its nuclear development.

“The president had made very clear he is prepared to meet with no preconditions,” Pompeo said Tuesday.

[tfurrh]

I think he just likes saying locked and loaded.

[enhanced_deficit]

With Bolton gone, burden of showing bold leadership on Pompeo,MAGA, Ivanaka and Jared has increased to tackle this threat to our closest allies.



Related

Saudi oil production cut by 50% after drones attack crude facilities (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?539206-Saudi-oil-production-cut-by-50-after-drones-attack-crude-facilities&)

GOP MAGA wing's top donor's Iran war wish getting close to becoming reality?
Last attack on Oil tanker was blamed on Iran and Iran at the time had called it Israeli mischief (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?539206-Saudi-oil-production-cut-by-50-after-drones-attack-crude-facilities&p=6860930&viewfull=1#post6860930). Early reporting can be foggy, incomplete and even accurat but based on MSM reporting so far, there is no proof that this is an Lavon affair type Israel false flag to push war against Iran:

Israel, Saudi Arabia To Preempt Dialogue Between Trump & Iran
Aug 28, 2019
The fears in Israel, which for now are only being expressed in completely off-the-record conversations, are that Trump, eager to make his mark on world affairs and prove he can achieve a better deal than his predecessor, will find himself in a room with negotiators much wilier and more knowledgeable on the issues than he is. Convinced that he is the grand master of the art of the deal, Trump could swiftly come to an agreement with the Iranians that may sound preferable to him, but in reality will be much worse.
Israel's intelligence and defense community are said to be strongly lobbying against such a renewed Trump engagement with Tehran after the president told reporters there's “a really good chance” the meeting would happen.


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/icons/icon4.png #1 GOP Cash Bundler, Sheldon Adelson, Calls For US to Bomb Iran w/Nuclear Weapons (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?431541-1-GOP-Cash-Bundler-Sheldon-Adelson-Calls-For-US-to-Bomb-Iran-w-Nuclear-Weapons&)


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[Swordsmyth]

He is talking tough but he is deescalating things, notice that he said that verification was needed as opposed to Pompeo just assigning blame to Iran.

There will not be a war, just like there wasn't after the drone incident.

[oyarde]

Locked and loaded here too .Keeping my eye out for saudis and persians , I dont trust any of them . They might try sneaking up the Ohio and invading .

[Swordsmyth]

Locked and loaded here too .Keeping my eye out for saudis and persians , I dont trust any of them . They might try sneaking up the Ohio and invading .
You are a great American, all Americans should always be locked and loaded.

[Zippyjuan]

I think he just likes saying locked and loaded.

He was "cocked and loaded" when he was going to attack Iran for shooting down that drone in the Persian Gulf. He likes to sound tough- but also doesn't follow up with action.


We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights

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Today:

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[Sammy]

Trump is not going to bomb Iran.
People need to relax! Trump is not George W Bush!

[EBounding]

He is talking tough but he is deescalating things, notice that he said that verification was needed as opposed to Pompeo just assigning blame to Iran.

There will not be a war, just like there wasn't after the drone incident.

Awaiting commands from the Saudis is talking tough?

[UWDude]

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1173434704302751744

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[tfurrh]

He was "cocked and loaded" when he was going to attack Iran for shooting down that drone in the Persian Gulf. He likes to sound tough- but also doesn't follow up with action.

Locked and loaded count is at 2 (I think), remember the North Korea tweet?

Cocked and loaded count is at 1.

[Zippyjuan]

Locked and loaded count is at 2 (I think), remember the North Korea tweet?

Cocked and loaded count is at 1.


You are right. And now he exchanges love letters with North Korea. Trump is consistent in his inconsistency. I doubt Iran is worried about Trump's bluster. "All hat and no cattle" as Texans may say.

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[Anti Globalist]

I think he just likes saying locked and loaded.
Admittedly it is a pretty cool thing to say.

[Slave Mentality]

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1173434704302751744

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[Zippyjuan]

Trump already backing down? "We don't need any Middle East Oil" (and makes sure to thank himself!)

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[acptulsa]

What do you know? More deep state misinformation being repeated and amplified by this White House, just as it has been by every administration since LBJ.

Truth is, a refinery was hit, so Saudi Arabia may have trouble supplying its own gasoline. But Texas City, Texas contains about a thousand refineries; all they need is crude oil.


Prices rose after the drone attack by Yemen’s Houthi group on an oilfield in eastern Saudi Arabia on Saturday added to Middle East tensions. The attack caused a fire at a gas plant, but state-run Saudi Aramco said oil production was not affected.

https://orientalnewsng.com/oil-prices-gain-after-saudi-oil-facility-attack/

Seems Trump, though he grabs guns like a Democrat, lies like a Republican. These multiparty politicians are so versatile.

[Zippyjuan]

Saudi Arabia saying it was Iranian weapons. Will Trump now strike since he is "locked and loaded" and awaiting confirmation?


but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!

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[Zippyjuan]

Truth is, a refinery was hit, so Saudi Arabia may have trouble supplying its own gasoline. But Texas City, Texas contains about a thousand refineries; all they need is crude oil.



The refinery hit was the biggest in the world, handling 5.7 million barrels a day- the same amount that all the refineries in Texas combined handle.

https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/saudi/saudi-arabia-attacks-on-aramco-largest-oil-processing-facility-explained-1.1568522843716


The fires led to the interruption of an estimated 5.7 million barrels in crude supplies, according to the statement, which said part of that would be offset with stockpiles.

https://businessintexas.com/industries/petroleum-refining-chemical-products


5.7 million barrels a day to fuel America: As of January 2019, the 29 petroleum refineries in Texas had a capacity of more than 5.7 million barrels of crude oil per day and accounted for 31% of total U.S. refining capacity. –U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). Texas accounted for about 24% of U.S. marketed natural gas production in 2017, making it the leading natural gas producer among the states. EIA In 2017, Texas crude oil production accounted for 37% of U.S. total production. EIA

[Swordsmyth]

Trump already backing down? "We don't need any Middle East Oil" (and makes sure to thank himself!)

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Zippy is disappointed that Trump is not a warmonger.

[RJB]

Trump already backing down? "We don't need any Middle East Oil" (and makes sure to thank himself!)

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Show us how tough you are, Zippy. Grab a gun and go fight the Iranians.

[acptulsa]

The refinery hit was the biggest in the world, handling 5.7 million barrels a day- the same amount that all the refineries in Texas combined handle.

https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/saudi/saudi-arabia-attacks-on-aramco-largest-oil-processing-facility-explained-1.1568522843716



https://businessintexas.com/industries/petroleum-refining-chemical-products

Are you saying all U.S. refineries are in Texas? Are you saying supertankers ship highly volatile gasoline when they could be shipping relatively safe crude (complete with the building blocks of lubricants and plastics)? Are you saying when either Saudi Aramco or Trump is lying, we should assume Aramco is the dishonest one?

What are you trying to say, Zippy?

[Zippyjuan]

Show us how tough you are, Zippy. Grab a gun and go fight the Iranians.

I am not the one claiming we should. That is Trump. He is "locked and loaded".

[Swordsmyth]

Are you saying when either Saudi Aramco or Trump is lying, we should assume Aramco is the dishonest one?


Zippy and his warmongering aside, Aramco is the one you should assume is dishonest, I lurk on an oil industry forum and people who know the facility that was hit say this is a disaster for the Saudis that will really hurt their oil income.
Much of their oil has nasty chemicals in it that must be removed before people will buy it and that is one thing the damaged plant did.

[Zippyjuan]

Are you saying all U.S. refineries are in Texas? Are you saying supertankers ship highly volatile gasoline when they could be shipping relatively safe crude (complete with the building blocks of lubricants and plastics)? Are you saying when either Saudi Aramco or Trump is lying, we should assume Aramco is the dishonest one?

What are you trying to say, Zippy?

You indicated that Texas (actually just one city in Texas- Texas City- with "thousands" of refineries") could replace the refinery hit in Saudi Arabia. They (the entire state) would have to double their capacity to be able to do so.


But Texas City, Texas contains about a thousand refineries; all they need is crude oil.

There aren't "a thousand" refineries there. There are 29 in the entire state. The "one" refinery at Texas City handles 260,000 barrels a day. https://www.valero.com/en-us/AboutValero/refining-segment/texas-city

Obviously you are either badly informed or just being silly.


supertankers ship highly volatile gasoline when they could be shipping relatively safe crude (complete with the building blocks of lubricants and plastics)?

The US is the world's largest exporter of refined oil products such as those and yes, they get shipped via tankers.

[Brian4Liberty]

He was "cocked and loaded" when he was going to attack Iran for shooting down that drone in the Persian Gulf. He likes to sound tough- but also doesn't follow up with action.


You sound disappointed.

[Mach]

Every time Trump does something that affects the Neos global power, a terrorist attack happens.

He got rid of Bolton, and now "Iran" did something?

Same thing happened when he started pulling out of Afghanistan.

2. Problem

3. Reaction

1. Solution

[Todd]

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1173434704302751744

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So very difficult to know what's up and down today. She's no Peace Dove but I'm not sure Donald is anymore Saudi's bitch than any other POTUS was.

I sure would like to see a POTUS that speaks the truth about the Saudi thugs though

[Swordsmyth]

Here are a dozen things everyone should know about the past weekend’s strikes on a major Saudi oil refinery, and the likely fallout from them:



The Houthis, a rebel army fighting against Saudi-led interests in Yemen, claimed credit for launching the attacks on Saturday. However, the U.S. government now says it believes the assault was launched from Iran, and that it may have involved cruise missiles (https://abcnews.go.com/International/iran-fired-cruise-missiles-attack-saudi-oil-facility/story?id=65632653)rather than drones.
The strikes centered on Saudi Arabia’s Abqaiq refinery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udhailiyah). Abqaiq is the world’s largest oil refinery, processing about two-thirds of the total Saudi supply each day. Saudi Arabia is the world’s second-largest producer of crude oil behind the United States.
Several large Saudi oil fields were also attacked (https://japantoday.com/category/world/Saudi-Arabia-Drone-attacks-knocked-out-half-its-oil-supply). Those attacks, along with the disruption of the Abqaiq refinery required the Saudi government to shut-in about half of its current production, or about 5.7 million barrels of oil per day.
According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), that amounts to the single biggest sudden disruption on record (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-16/the-oil-market-s-reaction-to-saudi-arabian-attack-in-five-charts), more than the loss of Kuwaiti and Iraqi supply during the Gulf War in August 1990, and the 1979 decrease in Iranian output following the Islamic Revolution.
Crude prices spiked (https://oilprice.com/) 10% in early Monday trading, and could rise further if the supply disruption lingers beyond a few days.
Saudi Arabia reportedly has enough crude reserves in storage to make up for the loss of production in the short term, according to Vima Jayabalan (https://www.chron.com/business/energy/article/Oil-spikes-10-on-Saudi-attacked-heightened-14442827.php?cmpid=ffcp), an energy research director with Wood Mackenzie. "Saudi Arabia has enough reserves to cover the shortfall over the next week but, if the outage extends, then filling the gap with the right type of crude quality could be a challenge."
That question of crude quality is key, since the Kingdom is a large supplier to a variety of countries, all of which have their own preference for the quality and gravity of oil they import. Saudi Arabia currently supplies roughly 6% of U.S. crude imports, per the EIA, but supplies even larger volumes to China, Japan, India and South Korea. Matching up the crude quality and quantity to each customer is a complex endeavor.
Saudi pre-staging of crude (https://www.enverus.com/blog/an-unprecedented-attack-on-saudi-oil-infrastructure/) in storage in key points around the world may also reduce actual impacts to crude supplies. As Jesse Mercer, Senior Direct of Crude Analytics for Enverus notes, “Saudi Aramco’s pre-staging of these barrels in Egypt, Rotterdam, and Okinawa will mean the timing of deliveries may not be immediately affected either. Due to this inventory cushion, Saudi Aramco customers are not likely to see their volumes impacted if the disruption is short-lived.”
But a longer-term outage is a different story. Mercer further notes, “But if the damages at Abqaiq and Hijra Khurais prove to be especially severe, then the world oil market is going to need another supply buffer to fall back on until repairs can be completed.”
Don’t expect that international supply buffer to come from the United States. Although President Donald Trump tweeted on Saturday that he has “...authorized the release of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (https://www.energy.gov/fe/services/petroleum-reserves/strategic-petroleum-reserve), if needed, in a to-be-determined amount sufficient to keep the markets well-supplied,” releasing major volumes of oil from the SPR is not a matter of simply turning on a spigot. Doing that is a highly-complex process requiring all manner of infrastructure and logistical considerations. Plus, you would again run into the issues of trying to match up crude qualities and quantities to specific customers.





More at: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2019/09/16/12-things-to-know-about-the-strikes-on-saudi-arabias-oil-infrastructure/#6b9711bd49d8

[acptulsa]

Zippy and his warmongering aside, Aramco is the one you should assume is dishonest, I lurk on an oil industry forum and people who know the facility that was hit say this is a disaster for the Saudis that will really hurt their oil income.
Much of their oil has nasty chemicals in it that must be removed before people will buy it and that is one thing the damaged plant did.

And Swordshyll sez (and quotes Forbesnewz to back it up) believe Trump and assume foreigners are lying, even though Trump lies pathologically and the foreigners have sound business reasons to be honest with their customers. Surprise surprise.


You indicated that Texas (actually just one city in Texas- Texas City- with "thousands" of refineries") could replace the refinery hit in Saudi Arabia. They (the entire state) would have to double their capacity to be able to do so.



There aren't "a thousand" refineries there. There are 29 in the entire state. The "one" refinery at Texas City handles 260,000 barrels a day. https://www.valero.com/en-us/AboutValero/refining-segment/texas-city

Obviously you are either badly informed or just being silly.



The US is the world's largest exporter of refined oil products such as those and yes, they get shipped via tankers.

Texas City has refineries owned by BP and Valero, as well as Marathon. I think what you're saying is, Texas City IS one big refinery. There are another hundred or so refineries in states not named Texas. Refined oil products are exported from the U.S. in pipelines, and in little plastic bottles packed in cardboard cartons. If you want me to believe supertankers float around U.S. ports full of volatile gasoline and its vapors, you're going to have to work a little harder at convincing me.

[Zippyjuan]

Russia trying to woo the Saudis- but given their alliance with Iran, Saudi Arabia's opponent in the region, not likely they would accept an offer from Russia:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/09/saudi-oil-attacks-latest-updates-190916102800973.html


Putin proposes Russian missile defence for Saudi Arabia

Russia is ready to help Saudi Arabia following attacks on the Saudi oil industry if needed, Russian President Vladimir Putin said after talks with leaders of Turkey and Iran in Ankara, and proposed Russian weapons for purchase.

"We are ready to provide respective assistance to Saudi Arabia, and it would be enough for the political leadership of Saudi Arabia to make a wise government decision - as the leaders of Iran did in their time by purchasing S-300 and as (Turkish) President (Tayyip) Erdogan did by purchasing the latest S-400 'Triumph' air defence systems from Russia," Putin said.

These Russian weapons would protect any infrastructure facilities of Saudi Arabia, he added.

[Swordsmyth]

And Swords hull's without a shred of evidence--sez believe Trump and assume foreigners are lying, even though Trump lies pathologically and the foreigners have sound business reasons to be honest with their customers. Surprise surprise.
The Saudis lie pathologically and have big business and political reasons to lie.

You have no idea what you are talking about regarding the facility that was hit and oil fields were hit as well.

[axiomata]

This refinery is more of a midstream processing facility than a downstream refinery like those that turn crude into fuels and other end products. It sounds like a very large desulpherization and tank farm that turns sour crude into sweet crude that can be exported or further processed downstream.

Seems pointless to be comparing its processing volume to Texas refineries.

[acptulsa]

This refinery is more of a midstream processing facility than a downstream refinery like those that turn crude into fuels and other end products. It sounds like a very large desulpherization and tank farm that turns sour crude into sweet crude that can be exported or further processed downstream.

Seems pointless to be comparing its processing volume to Texas refineries.

An intelligent comment. Thank you.

But the U.S. is an oil producing nation well able to handle crude straight from the ground. Clearly we will only be affected by the oil companies using this as an excuse to hike prices, and the neocons' obvious desire to use this as an excuse to start yet another war.

And as we can plainly see, Trump is acting as head cheerleader for the warmongers so far.

[Zippyjuan]

And Swords hull's without a shred of evidence--sez believe Trump and assume foreigners are lying, even though Trump lies pathologically and the foreigners have sound business reasons to be honest with their customers. Surprise surprise.



Texas City has refineries owned by BP and Valero, as well as Marathon. I think what you're saying is, Texas City IS one big refinery. There are another hundred or so refineries in states not named Texas. Refined oil products are exported from the U.S. in pipelines, and in little plastic bottles packed in cardboard cartons. If you want me to believe supertankers float around U.S. ports full of volatile gasoline and its vapors, you're going to have to work a little harder at convincing me.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=29&t=6


A total of 135 operable petroleum refineries were operable in the United States as of January 1, 2019.

Of that, 29 are in the state of Texas. https://inflationdata.com/articles/oil-refineries-united-states/

As for shipping of gasoline:

https://gcaptain.com/gasoline-tankers-parked-off-new-york/


Gasoline Tankers Parked Off New York

At least two tankers carrying gasoline-making components have dropped anchor off New York Harbor for nearly a week, unable to discharge their cargoes in the latest sign that storage for the fuel is running out, traders said.

Several tankers with gasoline have also been diverted from the New York region to Florida and the U.S. Gulf Coast in recent days, a rare move that underscores oversupply in the pricing hub for the benchmark U.S. gasoline.

The excess in the midst of summer demand for the motor fuel casts a shadow of the profitability of refineries, and thus their demand for crude oil over the coming months.

U.S. gasoline refining margins <1RBc1-CLc1> dropped last week to their lowest since February at around $13.61 a barrel after gasoline inventories posted an unseasonably large build.

The builds were a result of higher output from U.S. refineries as well as an increase in imports, data from the U.S. Energy Department showed. At the same time, data suggested lower U.S. consumption than previously indicated.



https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=39192


U.S. petroleum product exports set record high in 2018

U.S. exports of total petroleum products set a record high in 2018, reaching an annual average of 5.6 million barrels per day (b/d), an increase of 366,000 b/d from 2017 levels. The three largest petroleum product exports from the United States in 2018 were distillate, propane, and motor gasoline. U.S. exports of motor gasoline (including blending components) and propane reached record highs in 2018, and exports of distillate reached their second-highest volume on record, following the high set in 2017.




U.S. exports of motor gasoline (including blending components) reached 44 destinations in 2018 and set a record high of 951,000 b/d, up 126,000 b/d from 2017 levels. This increase in exports came despite high levels of domestic gasoline consumption, averaging 9.3 million b/d in 2018, only slightly lower than the record-high level set in 2017.

Top Ten Destinations of US produced finished oil products: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/10/05/where-the-u-s-exports-oil-and-petroleum-products/#4235bd9b3f26

https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Frrapier%2Ffiles%2F2017%2F10%2F Finished-Product-Exports.jpg

[axiomata]

If you want me to believe supertankers float around U.S. ports full of volatile gasoline and its vapors, you're going to have to work a little harder at convincing me.

There are certainly tankers floating around with volatile refined products. How would islands without refineries get any gas and diesel?

http://www.prime-marine.net/our-business/product-tankers/

[acptulsa]

As for shipping of gasoline:


At least two tankers carrying gasoline-making components have dropped anchor off New York Harbor...


U.S. exports of motor gasoline (including blending components) reached 44 destinations...


Got any more examples of misdefinitions and weasel words to share, while you're busy ignoring exports by pipeline?

[kpitcher]

Trump already backing down? "We don't need any Middle East Oil" (and makes sure to thank himself!)

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In May 2011, the country became a net exporter of refined petroleum products. So Trump is thanking Obama?

[axiomata]

In May 2011, the country became a net exporter of refined petroleum products. So Trump is thanking Obama?

Probably the best thing Obama did in his administration.

[Zippyjuan]

Got any more examples of misdefinitions and weasel words to share, while you're busy ignoring exports by pipeline?

How long is that pipeline to Japan, Brazil, the Netherlands? China?

[Swordsmyth]

In May 2011, the country became a net exporter of refined petroleum products. So Trump is thanking Obama?

Probably the best thing Obama did in his administration.
O'Bummer did everything he could to stop it and reverse it, he gets no credit.

[acptulsa]

There are certainly tankers floating around with volatile refined products. How would islands without refineries get any gas and diesel?

http://www.prime-marine.net/our-business/product-tankers/

That is a point, especially as some of those islands are U.S. territories. But the fact remains that the U.S. has no need for refined and volatile gasoline to be shipped to us from halfway around the world.

Guam would be the only exception I can think of to prove the rule.

[acptulsa]

How long is that pipeline to Japan, Brazil, the Netherlands? China?

Where's your chart? We do ship "finished motor fuels" to some of those countries some of the time. But are they gasoline, or something less volatile?


O'Bummer did everything he could to stop it and reverse it, he gets no credit.

So Obama lifting a forty year ban on refined petroleum products was an effort to prevent U.S. refineries from exporting?

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/the-emerging-us-energy-powerhouse

[Zippyjuan]

That is a point, especially as some of those islands are U.S. territories. But the fact remains that the U.S. has no need for refined and volatile gasoline to be shipped to us from halfway around the world.

Guam would be the only exception I can think of to prove the rule.

The US also processes oil for some oil producing countries which do not have enough refining capacity of their own so we import the oil from them and ship back the end products.

[acptulsa]

The US also processes oil for some oil producing countries which do not have enough refining capacity of their own so we import the oil from them and ship back the end products.

So why would a damaged Saudi refinery affect us? And why are you still trying to distract people from that issue?

If we can refine more crude than we produce, would the shutdown if a Saudi refinery not be a business opportunity for us?

[Zippyjuan]

So why would a damaged Saudi refinery affect us? And why are you still trying to distract people from that issue?

If we can refine more crude than we produce, would the shutdown if a Saudi refinery not be a business opportunity for us?

Back to the original point. Oil is a global market. The US does not have the refinery capacity to replace the one attacked in Saudi Arabia. That one facility was producing about five percent of refined oil products globally. As much as the entire state of Texas produces.

[acptulsa]

Back to the original point. Oil is a global market. The US does not have the refinery capacity to replace the one attacked in Saudi Arabia. That one facility was producing about five percent of refined oil products globally. As much as the entire state of Texas produces.

And the U.S. has multiple times the capacity of Texas. So, if we were motivated to take up that slack, why couldn't we? And once again, how does this attack by unknown entities on Saudi Arabia constitute skin off our nose?

[Swordsmyth]

So Obama lifting a forty year ban on refined petroleum products was an effort to prevent U.S. refineries from exporting?

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/the-emerging-us-energy-powerhouse
Congress lifted the ban on exports, O'Bummer tried to kill the domestic oil industry with regulations and taxes.
O'Bummer signing the bill to lift the export ban was either because of some deal or because Congress would have passed it over his veto or in a "must sign" bill.

[acptulsa]

Congress lifted the ban on exports, O'Bummer tried to kill the domestic oil industry with regulations and taxes.
O'Bummer signing the bill to lift the export ban was either because of some deal or because Congress would have passed it over his veto or in a "must sign" bill.

Your spin does nothing to explain how signing off on that constitutes "doing everything he could to stop it and reverse it".

[Swordsmyth]

Your spin does nothing to explain how signing off on that constitutes "doing everything he could to stop it and reverse it".
It was something he couldn't help, so he tried everything else he could.

[Swordsmyth]

acptulsa, I remember when O'Bummer gave tons of money to Brazil to build up their oil industry to drive ours out of the market.

[Swordsmyth]

Saudi Arabia’s disrupted oil production may last longer than originally thought, Amrita Sen, chief oil analyst at Energy Aspects Ltd., told Bloomberg (https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/aramco-to-face-weeks-without-the-majority-of-abqaiq-s-oil-output-1.1316884) on Monday, with full resumption of oil production perhaps not returning for weeks—or even months.

Saudi Arabia, too, is holding a more reserved position that initially thought, believing now that less than half the capacity at the Abqaiq processing plant can be restored quickly, according to Bloomberg sources that spoke on condition of anonymity. One of the longer lead-time items of the restoration are Abqaiq’s stabilization towers that separates out the dissolved gas from the crude oil—a distillation process that sweetens sour crude, if you will.


Just the specialized parts to repair those towers could take months to get. Five out of the 18 stabilization towards were hit, indicating a “very specific, accurate targeting of those particular infrastructures,” Phillip Cornell, former senior corporate planning adviser to Aramco, cited by Bloomberg.
Abqaiq has a capacity of 5.7 million barrels per day of light crude.
To compensate, Aramco is bringing back online previously shuttered oilfields, and it is drawing on its oil reserves to cushion the blow. What can’t be compensated for by cranking up idled fields and siphoning off crude reserves is being satisfied by substituting a heavier grade oil—but all these emergency measures have limits.
Saudi Arabia’s stockpiles are only sufficient enough to last 26 days, according to Rystad Energy, so if the outage were to last “months” rather than days or weeks, customers may actually feel the supply crunch.

More at: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Aramcos-Oil-Disruptions-Could-Last-Months-Analyst.html

[UWDude]

The Houthis thanked friends withing Saudi Arabia.

"Wreckless" aka MBS went against all tradition and booted the other four ruling families from government, when traditionally all five have shared power.

The house of Saud is in deep shit.

Wreckless' sophomoric understanding of politics and the Necessity for Saudi politics to remain they were is going to be his down fall, and perhaps even SA's downfall.

It is taking far longer than I expected, but after watching the Battle of Aleppo, I understand the need for slow, methodical hybrid warfare.

[r3volution 3.0]

deescalating things

Sure, like by breaking the treaty, increasing sanctions, arming the Saudis, and sending more forces to the region.

[CCTelander]

Sure, like by breaking the treaty, increasing sanctions, arming the Saudis, and sending more forces to the region.


That's all Trumpspeak for deescalation. You need a new cide book?

[Republicanguy]

America has depended on Arabia for crude, fracking is a temporary boom. It is an illusion to think the middle east doesn't hold the cheapest, and best quality available, like in Iraq, which the Chinese invested in years ago. America liberated the place, sure a profitable and miserable situation.

Electric vehicle in times may bring the need for crude down, but other metals will become scarce within time, but the same old problem with energy will appear again, there is no easy fix to this subject, no socialist program or liberty program and solve that.

[Swordsmyth]

America has depended on Arabia for crude, fracking is a temporary boom. It is an illusion to think the middle east doesn't hold the cheapest, and best quality available, like in Iraq, which the Chinese invested in years ago. America liberated the place, sure a profitable and miserable situation.

Electric vehicle in times may bring the need for crude down, but other metals will become scarce within time, but the same old problem with energy will appear again, there is no easy fix to this subject, no socialist program or liberty program and solve that.
Get lost, you know nothing about anything.

[acptulsa]

...no socialist program or liberty program and solve that.

Actually, a free market--arguably a "liberty program"--solved the energy crisis when whales were hunted nearly to extinction. There's absolutely no reason to believe a free market couldn't solve the problem again.


Get lost, you know nothing about anything.

He said no socialist program could solve it. Can't you stop being obnoxious and trying to chase everyone off long enough to congratulate him for progressing all the way up to half right?

Or are you just mad because half right is something you're still aspiring to?

[Swordsmyth]

He said no socialist program could solve it. Can't you stop being obnoxious and trying to chase everyone off long enough to congratulate him for progressing all the way up to half right?

Or are you just mad because half right is something you're still aspiring to?
He wants a globalist solution instead, that's half right by you?

Just quit reflexively disagreeing with me and you won't make a fool of yourself like this.

[acptulsa]

He wants a globalist solution instead, that's half right by you?

Just quit reflexively disagreeing with me and you won't make a fool of yourself like this.

Got a quote on that globalist solution he seeks?

I don't disagree with you 100% of the time. But those who do are right at least 70% of the time, so it isn't exactly a bad strategy. That said, I mostly call you out not for having opinions, but for being a relentless, spamming asshole bot.

[Swordsmyth]

Got a quote on that globalist solution he seeks?


America liberated the place, sure a profitable and miserable situation.


I don't disagree with you 100% of the time. But those who do are right at least 70% of the time, so it isn't exactly a bad strategy. That said, I mostly call you out not for having opinions, but for being a relentless, spamming $#@! bot.
:sleeping:

[acptulsa]

:sleeping:

He says the Iraqi war was profitable for a few, and miserable for everyone else. And the bot says he was calling for a globalist solution to a possible future oil crisis.

Yes, Swordshyll, we can tell you're posting in your sleep. The lights are clearly on, and clearly no one's home.

[Swordsmyth]

He says the Iraqi war was profitable for a few, and miserable for everyone else. And the bot says he was calling for a globalist solution to a possible future oil crisis.

Yes, Swordshyll, we can tell you're posting in your sleep. The lights are clearly on, and clearly no one's home.
He constantly calls for world government, he says there is no other solution to America's energy problem and he calls the occupation profitable (he didn't say for just a few).

Quit digging when you are already in a hole.

You want To fight with me so badly that you make a fool of yourself defending one of the worst trolls on the forum.

[Origanalist]

Got a quote on that globalist solution he seeks?

I don't disagree with you 100% of the time. But those who do are right at least 70% of the time, so it isn't exactly a bad strategy. That said, I mostly call you out not for having opinions, but for being a relentless, spamming asshole bot.

He is relentless, you have to give him that.

[Origanalist]

He constantly calls for world government, he says there is no other solution to America's energy problem and he calls the occupation profitable (he didn't say for just a few).

Quit digging when you are already in a hole.

You want To fight with me so badly that you make a fool of yourself defending one of the worst trolls on the forum.

Lol, the irony is thick in this post.

[Swordsmyth]

Lol, the irony is thick in this post.
:sleeping:

[Origanalist]

:sleeping:

Oh no!!! I've been hit with an emoji!!!!

[Ender]

Sure, like by breaking the treaty, increasing sanctions, arming the Saudis, and sending more forces to the region.

Exactly!

[enhanced_deficit]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/icons/icon13.png Tulsi slams Trump as Saudi 'b----' , 'We are not your prostitutes. You are not our pimp' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?539315-Tulsi-slams-Trump-as-Saudi-b-We-are-not-your-prostitutes-You-are-not-our-pimp&)


No one likes never-ending interventions, elective wars for foreign countries interests but recent rhetoric is getting out of hand. Saudi Arabia and Israel are sworn enemies, MAGA critics can't have it both ways ; how can MAGA be hardcore Islamic State Saudi Arabia's 'b-word' as Far Left anti-interventionist congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard just claimed and at the same time also be p-word of pro-Israel Jewish lobbies as some Far Right anti-globalist extremists claimed (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?535475-Anti-semitism-against-Trump-is-on-the-rise&p=6810344&viewfull=1#post6810344) before tragic PA Synagogue shooting?



@realDonaldTrump Despicable. Offering to place our military assets under the command of a foreign country—Saudi Arabia—is a disgrace and betrayal of my patriotic brothers and sisters in uniform and to our Constitution. We are not your prostitutes. You are not our pimp.
— Tulsi Gabbard (@TulsiGabbard) September 16, 2019


Gabbard slams Trump as 'Saudi Arabia's b----': That's not 'America First'
The Washington Times - Monday, September 16, 2019
Presidential candidate Rep. Tulsi Gabbard accused President Trump of being ‘Saudi Arabia’s b–-‘ Sunday after the president threatened to retaliate against Iran after they allegedly attacked a Saudi Arabia energy plant.

[Republicanguy]

There is no quick fix to the problem with crude oil, electric vehicles will help in time, bring down energy use. But that doesn't change the fact that metals will be used up in time, there are limits, too much extracting of one source or another will lead to depletion. Ron Paul spoke about this once, and said we don't have all the answers.

This is the problem, a politician running for a very high office must have solutions to dealing with serious problems.

[Swordsmyth]

There is no quick fix to the problem with crude oil, electric vehicles will help in time, bring down energy use. But that doesn't change the fact that metals will be used up in time, there are limits, too much extracting of one source or another will lead to depletion. Ron Paul spoke about this once, and said we don't have all the answers.

This is the problem, a politician running for a very high office must have solutions to dealing with serious problems.

The market will solve all those problems and government will only cause more.

[Republicanguy]

There is no substitute for crude oil, it is the life blood of our society.

[UWDude]

Got a quote on that globalist solution he seeks?

I don't disagree with you 100% of the time. But those who do are right at least 70% of the time, so it isn't exactly a bad strategy. That said, I mostly call you out not for having opinions, but for being a relentless, spamming $#@! bot.

I get most of my news from Swordsmyth.
He also often slaps the shit out of fake news hucksters here who try to peddle every imaginary load of narrative nonsense they can shovel.
I don't think he is paid. I don't think he has a job either.
He's just another doomer doing his duty.

In fact, he posts all the important World News and Affairs stories nobody else here does, because he does.

Anybody else that posts in World News and Affairs does so only to bash or praise Trump, or bash Israel or Russia (zippy is a bitch)

[Origanalist]

Pres. Trump, alongside his new national security adviser Robert O'Brien, says the U.S. will be adding "some very significant sanctions onto Iran" within the next 48-hours, adding "there are options."

https://twitter.com/jennfranconews/status/1174401966304153601

[Zippyjuan]

1174483084231806976

[RicoCabeza]

Saudi Arabia and Israel are sworn enemies,

Joke - right?

Are we not all in agreement that the United States is Israel's bitch?

Not to mention that the Saudi Royal Family for a long time now has been made up of Crypto-Jews . . .

[Zippyjuan]

Are crypto Jews like crypto currency?

[shakey1]

‘Locked and loaded’... Trump sez a lot of things.

[RicoCabeza]

Are crypto Jews like crypto currency?

Some have speculated that Jews were behind the creation of Bitcoin. Imagine the implications of that if true . . .

[Zippyjuan]

Some speculate that the Jews are behind everything. Imagine if that were true (it isn't)....

[RicoCabeza]

Some speculate that the Jews are behind everything. Imagine if that were true (it isn't)....

True. The two Jewish Luciferian blood-lines are subordinate to the Pharaoh Luciferian Blood-line. Modern day Israel was owned outright by the Rothschilds, and given to the Jews in exchange for being the Pharaoh Luciferian blood-line's bitch. The dollar bill has the Egyptian pyramid on the back in honor of the fact that the Pharaoh Luciferian blood-line has ALWAYS been in control of this world. The practice of sacrificing infants over fire to the demon Moloch traces back to the most ancient days of Egypt.

We recently learned that Zionist Mossad Jew Jeffrey Epstein is Deeply into Moloch worship [as would be expected since his island temple is 100% themed after Egypt] here:


Epstein Raped Me in Underground Facilities! Survivor Exposes it All!
https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/new-world-order/2019/8539.html

Burning children to the demon Moloch is permitted today by the supreme legal authority of the so-called “Jewish” religion, which is the Babylonian Talmud, and, in particular, the Talmud book of Sanhedrin, Folios 64a-64b.
https://www.wilmingtonfavs.com/talmud-book/murdering-children.html

Donald Trump & Hillary Clinton [and ALL USA Presidents] Connection To The British Royalty To [Serpent hybrid] Pharaoh Bloodline
[The practice of child sacrifice to Moloch goes all the way back to ancient Egypt. The dollar bill displays the Egyptian pyramid in honor of the FACT that this Serpent hybrid/Pharaoh bloodline is still in full power today]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tm5YPE42P4


Remember, “Trump admits in his autobiographical book ‘Way To The Top’ that he attends Kabbalah classes” [which ONLY JEWS are allowed to take] – BIN user mothman777.


Also remember that Trump has admitted on video that his Luciferian Kabbalah ‘Tree of Life’ Award represents EVERYTHING he believes in/stands for [= Judaism = Luciferianism]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJW5A7ruLM

‘I am the chosen one’: [Anti-Christ] Trump again plays on messianic claims as he embraces ‘King of Israel’ title


- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3QPkFk8h28 [Trump on video claiming this]
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/08/21/i-am-chosen-one-trump-again-plays-messianic-claims-he-embraces-king-israel-title
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xytjktfHNak
- https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/new-world-order/2019/8539.html

Hollywood Jews Made An EXPLICIT Movie About Hunting Down Christians! This presentation ALONE proves beyond reasonable doubt that Trump/Kushner along with many other Zionist Jew Leaders plan to GENOCIDE CHRISTIANS between the years of 2020 and 2025, after which TWO-THIRDS of the United States population [including non-Christians] will have been GENOCIDED!!
https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/christian-news/2019/2580229.html

The Pharaoh Show; [Serpent hybrid] Alien Predators in Human Appearance – Swiss Secret Symbols in Switzerland
This is like the Holy Grail of SUPPRESSED TRUTH!
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIqyk2JHZI [Important 5 min Intro]
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXaXnAvEpB8
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENqJOUyMJi0


The Royal Scandal Of The Century – Prince Andrew Caught On Video in Epstein’s House!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqfMDX74ks0

SEXTORTION WORLD ORDER: IS EPSTEIN PEDOPHILE OPERATION A MOSSAD FRONT?:
https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/new-world-order/2019/8539.html

[RicoCabeza]

Some speculate that the Jews are behind everything. Imagine if that were true (it isn't)....

True. The two Jewish Luciferian blood-lines are subordinate to the Pharaoh Luciferian Blood-line. Modern day Israel was owned outright by the Rothschilds, and given to the Jews in exchange for being the Pharaoh Luciferian blood-line's bitch. The dollar bill has the Egyptian pyramid on the back in honor of the fact that the Pharaoh Luciferian blood-line has ALWAYS been in control of this world. The practice of sacrificing infants over fire to the demon Moloch traces back to the most ancient days of Egypt.

We recently learned that Zionist Mossad Jew Jeffrey Epstein is Deeply into Moloch worship [as would be expected since his island temple is 100% themed after Egypt] here:


Epstein Raped Me in Underground Facilities! Survivor Exposes it All!
https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/new-world-order/2019/8539.html

Burning children to the demon Moloch is permitted today by the supreme legal authority of the so-called “Jewish” religion, which is the Babylonian Talmud, and, in particular, the Talmud book of Sanhedrin, Folios 64a-64b.
https://www.wilmingtonfavs.com/talmud-book/murdering-children.html

Donald Trump & Hillary Clinton [and ALL USA Presidents] Connection To The British Royalty To [Serpent hybrid] Pharaoh Bloodline
[The practice of child sacrifice to Moloch goes all the way back to ancient Egypt. The dollar bill displays the Egyptian pyramid in honor of the FACT that this Serpent hybrid/Pharaoh bloodline is still in full power today]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tm5YPE42P4


Remember, “Trump admits in his autobiographical book ‘Way To The Top’ that he attends Kabbalah classes” [which ONLY JEWS are allowed to take] – BIN user mothman777.


Also remember that Trump has admitted on video that his Luciferian Kabbalah ‘Tree of Life’ Award represents EVERYTHING he believes in/stands for [= Judaism = Luciferianism]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJW5A7ruLM

‘I am the chosen one’: [Anti-Christ] Trump again plays on messianic claims as he embraces ‘King of Israel’ title


- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3QPkFk8h28 [Trump on video claiming this]
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/08/21/i-am-chosen-one-trump-again-plays-messianic-claims-he-embraces-king-israel-title
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xytjktfHNak
- https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/new-world-order/2019/8539.html

Hollywood Jews Made An EXPLICIT Movie About Hunting Down Christians! This presentation ALONE proves beyond reasonable doubt that Trump/Kushner along with many other Zionist Jew Leaders plan to GENOCIDE CHRISTIANS between the years of 2020 and 2025, after which TWO-THIRDS of the United States population [including non-Christians] will have been GENOCIDED!!
https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/christian-news/2019/2580229.html

The Pharaoh Show; [Serpent hybrid] Alien Predators in Human Appearance – Swiss Secret Symbols in Switzerland
This is like the Holy Grail of SUPPRESSED TRUTH!
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIqyk2JHZI [Important 5 min Intro]
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXaXnAvEpB8
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENqJOUyMJi0


The Royal Scandal Of The Century – Prince Andrew Caught On Video in Epstein’s House!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqfMDX74ks0

SEXTORTION WORLD ORDER: IS EPSTEIN PEDOPHILE OPERATION A MOSSAD FRONT?:
https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/new-world-order/2019/8539.html

New Epstein Victim Implicates Trump

A new Epstein victim has emerged named Jessica Collins has emerged making sensational claims. (https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/r2/?url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akDKyYaxj4A&feature=youtu.be) She was much older (21-38) than Epstein’s usual prey. Is she credible? Most of the names she drops check out. Apart from Joe Biden & John McCain, she does not name “others in the White House today.” But on March 14, she tweeted “sex trafficking by the CiA…goes all the way to the top.” She says Epstein is alive and Hillary Clinton “forged the path.”
https://beforeitsnews.com/strange/2019/09/new-epstein-victim-implicates-trump-2474187.html

CIA Agent Blows The Whistle – We Supply Elite Pedophiles With Children
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w32jpS67Jek

Congressman Calls For The Names Of 264 Sexual Predators In Congress To Be Released!
https://beforeitsnews.com/v3/alternative/2018/3640414.html

[acptulsa]

I get most of my news from Swordsmyth.

And as Will Rogers once said, that's an alibi for your ignorance.

[UWDude]

And as Will Rogers once said, that's an alibi for your ignorance.

I never even see you post anything in Foreign Affairs.
What's your alibi?