The Orange Car Guy

[Anti Federalist]

The Orange Car Guy

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2019/09/07/the-orange-car-guy/

By eric - September 7, 2019

Some people are single issue voters; if a candidate is in line with them on guns, for instance, they’ll support that candidate even if on other topics they’re as far apart as a Chevette and a Corvette.

This brings us to Trump.

If you care about cars, he’s your guy. He may not be a Car Guy, per se – but he’s the only guy who isn’t an obvious enemy of Car Guys.

Like his predecessor, for instance.

Barack Obama – after his anointed successor lost the election – had his regulatory apparat fatwa a near-doubling of federal mandatory minimum gas mileage requirements (CAFE) out of pure spite, to punish the filthy deplorables who didn’t elect her – and who continued to express their lack of interest in high-mileage-uber-alles cars by not buying the ones which were – and still are – available.

Like the Toyota Prius hybrid, for instance.

Great gas mileage – but not much fun. Can’t do much with it – other than get good gas mileage. Many people want more than that.

So it’s not that high-mileage vehicles like the Prius aren’t being offered because the car companies want to deny Americans high-mileage cars in favor of “gas guzzlers” – the lie behind the CAFE reg.

The truth is people just aren’t buying them much. . . because they’re not much fun and can’t do very much, besides get good gas mileage. A Prius can’t tow . . . anything. It doesn’t go off-road or get to 60 in five seconds or even eight.

Toyota sells about 1,500 Priuii per month. Ford sells about 60,000 F-150 trucks per month.

Not a typo.

The purpose of nearly doubling the CAFE fatwa from about 35 MPG to nearly 50 MPG – and in just five years’ time; the fatwa goes into effect in 2025 – wasn’t to make the industry produce cars that get great gas mileage; the industry already does.

It was to regulate out of existence the ones that don’t – which are the cars most Americans (and all American Car Guys) are very much interested in buying despite their not averaging 50 MPG.

It’s exactly as if the government spewed a fatwa tripling the cost of cheeseburgers to “nudge” people toward soy burgers.

No outright ban on large cars, V8 SUVs and pick-ups. Too obvious – and much too clumsy. People might object such a direct approach. The coercive utopians are far more clever than they used to be.

So couch an effective ban in terms of “increased gas mileage” – What could be the harm? Doesn’t everyone want increased gas mileage”? Nevermind that it’s not possible – absent Mr. Fusion – for a big car, V8 SUV or pick-up to average even 30 MPG without being radically downsized, de-powered or otherwise gimped and becoming something very much like . . . a Prius.

But just in case, add to the mix a confusing but effective guilt-trip: The fatwa would also “lower vehicle exhaust emissions” – and who could possibly oppose that? That’s how it’s been presented by the complicit – or derelict – media.

Of course, the “emissions” are not the ones most people associate with that word – i.e., the things which create smog and make it harder to breath. Instead, carbon dioxide – a non-reactive gas (and less than 1 percent of the Earth’s atmosphere, of which the tiniest fraction is “emitted” by human-made stuff like cars) that was never described as an “emission” until about five years ago, when it become politically necessary to do so because the emissions of things that do cause smog and respiratory problems – and so were actual problems – had been almost completely eliminated from vehicle exhaust.

This was a problem because it eliminated the justification for the War on Cars (and Driving) which non-Car Guys like Obama and the ugsome squad of pending claimants to the throne very much wanted to ramp up, not dial back down.

Cars – and driving them, when it’s us doing it – are disliked by people like Obama because they run counter to the control of everything that is their heart’s most fervent desire – although this is always couched in oily euphemisms about “discussions” and “communities” and other such politcial brummagemisms.

It’s insufferable. Makes one want to – as Mencken once put it – raise the Jolly Roger and slit throats.

You and I aren’t part of the “discussion” – the terms of which (and so the outcome) have already been decided. The “community” means those elitists like Obama, who just bought a $14 million dollar compound adjacent to the Kennedy compound – how big is this joint’s “carbon footprint”? – who regard those not in their “community” as the help, at best.

But no outright ban.

It would still be perfectly legal to build them – even if they didn’t average close to 50 MPG, as demanded by the federal fatwa.

Just prohibitively expensive – because of a tripling of the fines imposed on them for “noncompliance.”

Also fatwa’d by the Car-Hater who preceded the Orange Man.

Which would result in what was wanted – a de facto ban on the kinds of cars that Car Guys like by making them too expensive to build, except in small handfuls for very rich people . . . like Barack Obama.

Well, the Orange Man is fighting this.

He did what none of the other tools on the stage back in 2016 would have: He rescinded the fatwa tripling the fines that would have applied to “compliant” cars – that is, cars that didn’t average close to 50 MPG by 2025 – thereby kicking the teeth out of the 50 MPG fatwa.

He also has been trying to prevent the 50 MPG federal fatwa from remaining in effect – outraging the Car Haters, which ought to earn him points with anyone who hates them.

He has “denied” the imminence of apocalyptic “climate change.” You can still hear the keening this triggered.

The latest news is he’s using anti-trust laws to go after the four car companies who seem to also hate cars – Ford, Honda, VW and BMW – who are in league with the Car Haters in California, who want both fatwas to remain in force. These four agreed to “voluntarily” impose the fatwas upon on themselves – even if the federal ones are repealed.

Why would companies that build cars “voluntarily” hairshirt themselves this way? It’s not because they’re “concerned” about either gas mileage or carbon dioxide “emissions.” Set that nonsense aside. It’s for consumption by idiot children, including those well past puberty.

It’s not hairshirting. It’s rent-seeking.

These four see their future earnings coming not from selling people cars but selling them rides. Ideally, in a government-mandated automated electric car that will be crushed very four years. See here if you dinna believe me. Straight from the horse’s mouth.

It is far more profitable to rent one car to scores of people every month than it is to collect a single car payment from one person every month. And to throw away – and replace – cars every four years, like a no-longer-supported smartphone – than for people to own cars for years after they paid them off.

Do you begin to see?

And the Orange Man has been fighting all of this.

He may not be a Car Guy, but he is without question the best friend anyone who gives a damn about cars and driving has had in the White House since Calvin Coolidge (a most under-rated president).

He deserves the support, therefore, of everyone who still gives a damn about cars and driving and the freedom (such as remains) embodied by both, which is on the knife’s edge of being taken away for good.

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YE4_9Cuo-0

[phill4paul]

Trumps done more for deregulation than any president in our lifetime.

So, there is that.

[Occam's Banana]

Trumps done more for deregulation than any president in our lifetime.

So, there is that.

All the whip-wielding regulators and rule-makers will get a "do over" once Trump is no longer the chief overseer of the Executive plantation.

Trump hasn't done anything to address the root of the problem (which is overweening government authority over ... well, pretty much everything).

He probably couldn't succeed even if he tried. No one could. Some things just get broken beyond any possibility of repair.

So enjoy it while you can. It's not going to last.

[specsaregood]

All the whip-wielding regulators and rule-makers will get a "do over" once Trump is no longer the chief overseer of the Executive plantation.
Trump hasn't done anything to address the root of the problem (which is overweening government authority over ... well, pretty much everything).
He probably couldn't succeed even if he tried. No one could. Some things just get broken beyond any possibility of repair.
So enjoy it while you can. It's not going to last.

put a punchbowl somewhere, anywhere, and a libertarian will always show up to take a shit in it.

[Brian4Liberty]

put a punchbowl somewhere, anywhere, and a libertarian will always show up to take a shit in it.


All the whip-wielding regulators and rule-makers will get a "do over" once Trump is no longer the chief overseer of the Executive plantation.

Trump hasn't done anything to address the root of the problem (which is overweening government authority over ... well, pretty much everything).

He probably couldn't succeed even if he tried. No one could. Some things just get broken beyond any possibility of repair.

So enjoy it while you can. It's not going to last.

Orange Man Good. The problem is that one day he will be gone... ;)

[Occam's Banana]

put a punchbowl somewhere, anywhere, and a libertarian will always show up to take a shit in it.

*shrug* Sorry if i harshed your feelz.

Was anything I said false or wrong? :confused:

[specsaregood]

*shrug* Sorry if i harshed your feelz.
Was anything I said false or wrong? :confused:

I didn't imply any such thing.
BUT, I am of the opinion that if you get rid of useless, evil regulation and the world does NOT end, it is something worth promoting and might just get more mundanes on your side.

[Occam's Banana]

Orange Man Good.

It doesn't really have anything to do with the Orange Man (Good or Bad). Like I said:

He probably couldn't succeed even if he tried. No one could. Some things just get broken beyond any possibility of repair.


The problem is that one day he will be gone... ;)

My point exactly. He will be gone. The problem will remain. So what has changed?

[Occam's Banana]

I didn't imply any such thing.
BUT, I am of the opinion that if you get rid of useless, evil regulation and the world does NOT end, it is something worth promoting and might just get more mundanes on your side.

And I said nothing to the contrary.

[specsaregood]

And I said nothing to the contrary.

so all we are left with is the turd in the punchbowl.

[juleswin]

All the whip-wielding regulators and rule-makers will get a "do over" once Trump is no longer the chief overseer of the Executive plantation.

Trump hasn't done anything to address the root of the problem (which is overweening government authority over ... well, pretty much everything).

He probably couldn't succeed even if he tried. No one could. Some things just get broken beyond any possibility of repair.

So enjoy it while you can. It's not going to last.

The way I read this post is this. Trump can't change the system we have with regards to the powers of the executive to regulate even if he tried but he is doing a good job deregulating. Essentially Trump is doing the best he can possibly do. I would be overjoyed for Trump if I believed this to be true.

[Occam's Banana]

so all we are left with is the turd in the punchbowl.

:rolleyes: Whatever that's supposed to mean ...


*shrug* Sorry if i harshed your feelz.

[CCTelander]

so all we are left with is the turd in the punchbowl.


I prefer to look at it as being left with a greater awareness of the reality of the situation which in turn presents us with a golden opportunity to use that awareness to formulate better ways to circumvent the political vicisditudes of the situation and actually strike at the root of the problem. But I tend to be optimistic on these things.

[specsaregood]

I prefer to look at it as being left with a greater awareness of the reality of the situation which in turn presents us with a golden opportunity to use that awareness to formulate better ways to circumvent the political vicisditudes of the situation and actually strike at the root of the problem. But I tend to be optimistic on these things.

yeah, cuz because the people on this site need to be educated as to reality of the situation. I'll take the progress, promote it, and encourage it.

[Origanalist]

so all we are left with is the turd in the punchbowl.

Only one?

[juleswin]

He did what none of the other tools on the stage back in 2016 would have: He rescinded the fatwa tripling the fines that would have applied to “compliant” cars – that is, cars that didn’t average close to 50 MPG by 2025 – thereby kicking the teeth out of the 50 MPG fatwa.

Love this part of the article the most, Trump was definitely the best man for the job, everyone else was a tool(most likely of the deep state) who deregulated more than any other person in the race. And if you don't believe this, you are an American hate, left wing, soy drinking, late sipping, pee while sitting down loony with a severe case of TDS :rolleyes:

[Occam's Banana]

The way I read this post is this. Trump can't change the system we have with regards to the powers of the executive to regulate even if he tried but he is doing a good job deregulating. Essentially Trump is doing the best he can possibly do. I would be overjoyed for Trump if I believed this to be true.

I'm glad he's deregulating some things. I'm glad whenever anyone does that.
Whether you want to interpret that as me saying "he is doing a good job" is up to you.
But at best, it's like the eye of a hurricane. It's going to pass, because nothing has fundamentally changed.

As for "Trump is doing the best he can possibly do," I said nothing of the sort - though I suppose you could say such a thing and I might agree, IF you were careful to understand the difference between "the best he can possibly do" (him being a half-assed wiffle-waffler) and "the best that might be done" (if he wasn't such a half-assed wiffle-waffler).

[juleswin]

I'm glad he's deregulating some things. I'm glad whenever anyone does that.
Whether you want to interpret that as me saying "he is doing a good job" is up to you.
But at best, it's like the eye of a hurricane. It's going to pass, because nothing has fundamentally changed.

As for "Trump is doing the best he can possibly do," I said nothing of the sort - though I suppose you could say such a thing and I might agree, IF you were careful to understand the difference between "the best he can possibly do" (him being a half-assed wiffle-waffler) and "the best that might be done" (if he wasn't such a half-assed wiffle-waffler).

The point that struck me in your post is that part where you seem to suggest that the half-assed wiffle-waffler or anyone for that matter couldn't succeed at changing the system. I disagree with it, I don't think it would be an easy task or even take one administration to accomplish. But if he spent half the time he uses to pick petty fights on twitter to explain to the American people what is going on, he and/or his succession would have a chance of succeeding. Also, had he done a much better job of governing, communication and educating the American people he would have a much better chance of victory. He could also leave a protege of himself that the American people can elect after his term is over.

He is doing barely nothing to change the system and I am not OK with that

[juleswin]

I have been reading some articles about this story from sources I consider to be far less hysterical about Trump and it seems like he froze an increase in the penalty that was about to come on. This means that the fines did not go away just the increase in the fines went away. The standards for car manufacturers to be more fuel efficient is still there.

I am a bit too lazy to post all that I read into a neat digestible post so I will resort to just posting links. I will come back to this if I am in the mood.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-emissions/trump-administration-freezing-fuel-efficiency-penalties-idUSKCN1U801U

Not one mention of fatwas in the whole article. And you are very welcomed :)

[Occam's Banana]

And as for Trump's deregulations, I'd trade them all - each and every one of them - for a vehement, full-throated, no-holds-barred, damn-all-compromise opposition to any and all further curtailments of our gun rights (and an equally vehement support for the repeal or negation of the ones which are already in place). But Trump's mealy-mouthed, half-assed gun grabbery is a liability the consequences of which will overwhelmingly offset the transient iota of miscellaneous regulatory relief he has implemented.

(So put that in your punchbowl and drink it ... :p)

[Occam's Banana]

The point that struck me in your post is that part where you seem to suggest that the half-assed wiffle-waffler or anyone for that matter couldn't succeed at changing the system. I disagree with it, [...]

And I counter-disagree. The system is broken beyond repair and things have passed the point of no return.

At best, It can only be duct-taped and WD-40'ed before it is finally discarded, falls apart or becomes something even worse.

[CCTelander]

yeah, cuz because the people on this site need to be educated as to reality of the situation. I'll take the progress, promote it, and encourage it.


So, that would be a pass on the golden opportunity, once again, for you then? And some wonder why the so-called "liberty movement" has such a dismal record of failure over the last 50+ years.

"Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die."

[CCTelander]

And as for Trump's deregulations, I'd trade them all - each and every one of them - for a vehement, full-throated, no-holds-barred, damn-all-compromise opposition to any and all further curtailments of our gun rights (and an equally vehement support for the repeal or negation of the ones which are already in place). But Trump's mealy-mouthed, half-assed gun grabbery is a liability the consequences of which will overwhelmingly offset the transient iota of miscellaneous regulatory relief he has implemented.

(So put that in your punchbowl and drink it ... :p)


Completely agree.

[Stratovarious]

I didn't imply any such thing.
BUT, I am of the opinion that if you get rid of useless, evil regulation and the world does NOT end, it is something worth promoting and might just get more mundanes on your side.


It doesn't really have anything to do with the Orange Man (Good or Bad). Like I said:


My point exactly. He will be gone. The problem will remain. So what has changed?


And I said nothing to the contrary.


:rolleyes: Whatever that's supposed to mean ...


I didn't say what you don't think I didn't say, and that's my point, if you don't get what I'm
not trying to say, cause I didn't.

[Stratovarious]

put a punchbowl somewhere, anywhere, and a libertarian will always show up to take a $#@! in it.

Not a fair reply.

[Stratovarious]

Sure, Trump is a good man , but;

Hillary is not even indicted, nor Comey, Mueller, Lynch, etc
DHS TSA NSA NDAA PATRIOT ACT FBI are alive and growing
End of Due Process alive under patriot act and suggested
by Trump to use it 'later' ....
Asset Forfeiture, police home invasions
Holds Isreal First, completely ignores their war crimes,
endorses Israels land robberies, and illegal occupation
of it's neighbors.
Obama Care was no repealed, it was modified, to be re modified
later by socialists, had he killed it like we had expected it wouldn't
be so easy to re mod.
IRS Code was not simplified as he had implied.
Our Troops are not home, we are still all over the Globe.
Swamp is deeper.

What's good;
Trump helped wake up a lot of people, got the
liberals to show their hand.

Thumbed his nose at Paris Accord.
Some progress on the wall.

[devil21]

I prefer to look at it as being left with a greater awareness of the reality of the situation which in turn presents us with a golden opportunity to use that awareness to formulate better ways to circumvent the political vicisditudes of the situation and actually strike at the root of the problem. But I tend to be optimistic on these things.

Orange Man never mentions Agenda 21 2030, which is the real driving force behind our future autonomous electric car utopia. Presidents come and go, temporarily fiddle with policies for political expedience but the real force is never mentioned. Often, the fiddling itself is for the purpose of furthering A2030, even.

[tfurrh]

Life is a turd in a punchbowl get used to it.

I ain't even finished my first glass.

[Swordsmyth]

"All or nothing" libertarians never get it all (because that isn't reasonably possible) and so they are only happy when they get nothing, getting something actually makes them mad.

[Occam's Banana]

"All or nothing" libertarians never get it all (because that isn't reasonably possible) and so they are only happy when they get nothing, getting something actually makes them mad.

Who is mad at what? :confused:

Speaking for myself, I am not in any way "mad" that Trump is deregulating some things. That's plenty nice, as far as it goes, and I have not in any way said otherwise (and I defy anyone who thinks I have to show me where). I just see no reason to think that much if any of it is going to "stick" beyond his administration - certainly not in any systemic way. When Trump is gone, the Executive Juggernaut is going to keep right on rolling, just like before - because nothing has really changed.

And without the "all or nothing" libertarians pointing out the elephant in the room and the nakedness of the Emperor, the "moderate pragmatic" libertarians will become the "extremists" everyone else likes to sneer at and dismiss. Without them, the so-called "Overton Window" moves even further away from liberty. As Ron Paul pointed out (without having to sneer at anyone), "Purism is practical" ...

[Swordsmyth]

Who is mad at what? :confused:

Speaking for myself, I am not in any way "mad" that Trump is deregulating some things. That's plenty nice, as far as it goes, and I have not in any way said otherwise (and I defy anyone who thinks I have to show me where). I just see no reason to think that much if any of it is going to "stick" beyond his administration - certainly not in any systemic way.

And without the "all or nothing" libertarians pointing out the elephant in the room and the nakedness of the Emperor, the "moderate pragmatic" libertarians will become the "extremists" everyone else likes to sneer at and dismiss. Without them, the so-called "Overton Window" moves even further away from liberty. As Ron Paul pointed out (without having to sneer at anyone), "Purism is practical" ...
I didn't say you were one of the "all or nothing" libertarians, you have so far been more practical even if you are on the pessimistic side.
Keeping an eye on perfection is important but you have to be able to take small victories and work with the imperfect to get there.

[Occam's Banana]

I didn't say you were one of the "all or nothing" libertarians, you have so far been more practical even if you are on the pessimistic side.
Keeping an eye on perfection is important but you have to be able to take small victories and work with the imperfect to get there.

Actually, I am probably more of a fatalist than a pessimist - what will be will be, whether for better or worse (or better and worse), and we all have our roles to play, however minor ... (and if my own role is to plop turds into punchbowls, then so be it ...)

But I am certainly not a utopian. Perfection is never an option. I'd be happy just with something that signified or embodied some kind of change for the better that is substantive rather than ephemeral. Sadly, Trump's various deregulations, as nice as they might be, are of the latter kind, not the former.

[Origanalist]

"All or nothing" libertarians never get it all (because that isn't reasonably possible) and so they are only happy when they get nothing, getting something actually makes them mad.

Ya.

[Anti Federalist]

Actually, I am probably more of a fatalist than a pessimist - what will be will be, whether for better or worse (or better and worse), and we all have our roles to play, however minor ... (and if my own role is to plop turds into punchbowls, then so be it ...)

But I am certainly not a utopian. Perfection is never an option. I'd be happy just with something that signified or embodied some kind of change for the better that is substantive rather than ephemeral. Sadly, Trump's various deregulations, as nice as they might be, are of the latter kind, not the former.

You read my mind...

Unless the premise and SCROTUS rulings enabling the regulatory state are reversed, by whatever means necessary, President Sanders will just undo everything, and then make it worse.

[Origanalist]

Actually, I am probably more of a fatalist than a pessimist - what will be will be, whether for better or worse (or better and worse), and we all have our roles to play, however minor ... (and if my own role is to plop turds into punchbowls, then so be it ...)

But I am certainly not a utopian. Perfection is never an option. I'd be happy just with something that signified or embodied some kind of change for the better that is substantive rather than ephemeral. Sadly, Trump's various deregulations, as nice as they might be, are of the latter kind, not the former.

It's just more of the same GOP head fakes we've been seeing since Raygun.

[Anti Federalist]

"All or nothing" libertarians never get it all (because that isn't reasonably possible) and so they are only happy when they get nothing, getting something actually makes them mad.

All I, and OB, and others are saying is that the gains are clearly temporary.

The next Bolshevik to come along will reverse them all.

So while applaud Trump for taking what steps he can to reverse these fatwas, it would be nice if he focused for a minute or two, and took it to the next level and attacked the system that "allows" these fatwas and regulatory ayatollahs to rule our lives.

[Swordsmyth]

All I, and OB, and others are saying is that the gains are clearly temporary.

The next Bolshevik to come along will reverse them all.

So while applaud Trump for taking what steps he can to reverse these fatwas, it would be nice if he focused for a minute or two, and took it to the next level and attacked the system that "allows" these fatwas and regulatory ayatollahs to rule our lives.
You are also not among the "all or nothing libertarians" just like I said about OB.

[Origanalist]

You are also not among the "all or nothing libertarians" just like I said about OB.

Where are these "all or nothing libertarians"? Show examples.

[kcchiefs6465]

You are also not among the "all or nothing libertarians" just like I said about OB.


Where are these "all or nothing libertarians"? Show examples.
It is I, the all or nothing libertarian.

Fuck Trump.

[Origanalist]

It is I, the all or nothing libertarian.

Fuck Trump.

Well' it's good of you to come forward, but I would have preferred examples by the one making the claim.

[kcchiefs6465]

Well' it's good of you to come forward, but I would have preferred examples by the one making the claim.
Who he is referring to is clear. The Utopian (https://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/bastiat-the-best-of-bastiat-3-3-the-utopian)

That is, anyone who isn't of a lesser of two evils mindset or does not justify the many travesties based upon other residual and/or temporary gains.

[kcchiefs6465]

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[kcchiefs6465]

How some people read to me:

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[kcchiefs6465]

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[Occam's Banana]

All I, and OB, and others are saying is that the gains are clearly temporary.

The next Bolshevik to come along will reverse them all.

So while applaud Trump for taking what steps he can to reverse these fatwas, it would be nice if he focused for a minute or two, and took it to the next level and attacked the system that "allows" these fatwas and regulatory ayatollahs to rule our lives.

Precisely and exactly THIS ^^^

[Anti Federalist]

You are also not among the "all or nothing libertarians" just like I said about OB.

While Trump has momentum on this issue: somebody whisper in his ear about J. W. Hampton, Jr. & Co. v. United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._W._Hampton,_Jr._%26_Co._v._United_States).

Get him to fire up these huge crowds at his rallies towards overturning this decision.

That's when all the trouble started.

That's the SCROTUS decision that allows OSHA and EPA and NTSB and BSSE and FDA and a hundred other alphabet soup agencies that rule us.

[Swordsmyth]

While Trump has momentum on this issue: somebody whisper in his ear about J. W. Hampton, Jr. & Co. v. United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._W._Hampton,_Jr._%26_Co._v._United_States).

Get him to fire up these huge crowds at his rallies towards overturning this decision.

That's when all the trouble started.

That's the SCROTUS decision that allows OSHA and EPA and NTSB and BSSE and FDA and a hundred other alphabet soup agencies that rule us.

We will probably need at least one more Trump pick to get that kind of action out of SCOTUS, Roberts would sell us out in an eyeblink.

Hopefully Ginsburg will be gone in a few months and Trump will give us another Gorsuch.

[Stratovarious]

"All or nothing" libertarians never get it all (because that isn't reasonably possible) and so they are only happy when they get nothing, getting something actually makes them mad.
Who are these 'all or none libertarians' that are getting mad?

[Stratovarious]

All I, and OB, and others are saying is that the gains are clearly temporary.

The next Bolshevik to come along will reverse them all.

So while applaud Trump for taking what steps he can to reverse these fatwas, it would be nice if he focused for a minute or two, and took it to the next level and attacked the system that "allows" these fatwas and regulatory ayatollahs to rule our lives.

Temporary indeed, and take an issue like Obama Care, it wasn't repealed it was modded, the 'machine' was
left alive, the beast, only to be re modded at the whim of the next Socialist Traitor that takes the helm, I
don't see anything changing in the next term even with Trump, his track record has me 'giving up' on trusting
anyone. Real change is not happening, I think you know what 'real change' would entail.

Ron Paul was our only hope out there, no one else has the balls or integrity to use the Constitution
as their guide, and prosecute the ones at the top that have done the most damage, the elite that
are not held to any standards of justice.

[Stratovarious]

While Trump has momentum on this issue: somebody whisper in his ear about J. W. Hampton, Jr. & Co. v. United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._W._Hampton,_Jr._%26_Co._v._United_States).

Get him to fire up these huge crowds at his rallies towards overturning this decision.

That's when all the trouble started.

That's the SCROTUS decision that allows OSHA and EPA and NTSB and BSSE and FDA and a hundred other alphabet soup agencies that rule us.

....and allowing all these Federal Alphabet agencies to write their on laws as if they were the legislative branch......

[Swordsmyth]

Who are these 'all or none libertarians' that are getting mad?
You can see them here on RPF, they are the ones who jump in to say "Orange Man BAD!" in the threads about him doing something good.
I'm not talking about the reasonable ones like OB and AF like I said but the ones who never admit for a moment that Trump should get any credit for anything.

[Swordsmyth]

Temporary indeed, and take an issue like Obama Care, it wasn't repealed it was modded, the 'machine' was
left alive, the beast, only to be re modded at the whim of the next Socialist Traitor that takes the helm, I
don't see anything changing in the next term even with Trump, his track record has me 'giving up' on trusting
anyone. Real change is not happening, I think you know what 'real change' would entail.

Ron Paul was our only hope out there, no one else has the balls or integrity to use the Constitution
as their guide, and prosecute the ones at the top that have done the most damage, the elite that
are not held to any standards of justice.
Trump's DoJ is helping to get O'Bummercare declared unconstitutional.

It will be gone in spite of McPain.

[Stratovarious]

You can see them here on RPF, they are the ones who jump in to say "Orange Man BAD!" in the threads about him doing something good.
I'm not talking about the reasonable ones like OB and AF like I said but the ones who never admit for a moment that Trump should get any credit for anything.

I actually thought all those posts were sarcasm, I didn't really analyze any of them , I just
assumed they weren't serious.

[Swordsmyth]

I actually thought all those posts were sarcasm, I didn't really analyze any of them , I just
assumed they weren't serious.
I don't mean the actual words "Orange Man Bad", those are usually sarcasm.

[Stratovarious]

Trump's DoJ is helping to get O'Bummercare declared unconstitutional.

It will be gone in spite of McPain.


I think you get the gist of where I'm at by now, I've watched and supported Judicial Watch,
Trump , the old Napolitano , and so many others, oh yea, and Trey Gowdy , wafj .......

I'm done with all these pretenders, nothing has happened , the corrupt are getting stronger
the alphabet agencies are squeezing tighter.

With all the great discoveries, with Judicial Watch again........... wtf over ? Not a fkg thing has
actually happened , nothing has been fixed, grrr, I'm so sick of it, and Hillary forget it....

[Stratovarious]

I don't mean the actual words "Orange Man Bad", those are usually sarcasm.
Oh, right, I got it....

[Occam's Banana]

All the whip-wielding regulators and rule-makers will get a "do over" once Trump is no longer the chief overseer of the Executive plantation.

Trump hasn't done anything to address the root of the problem (which is overweening government authority over ... well, pretty much everything).

He probably couldn't succeed even if he tried. No one could. Some things just get broken beyond any possibility of repair.

So enjoy it while you can. It's not going to last.


I'd be happy just with something that signified or embodied some kind of change for the better that is substantive rather than ephemeral. Sadly, Trump's various deregulations, as nice as they might be, are of the latter kind, not the former.

Punch bowl, meet turd. Turd, punch bowl ... ;)

(And as for the whole car thing - the subject of the thread OP - well, we all know how that's been going ...)

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