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Swordsmyth
09-06-2019, 02:51 PM
In my think-tank work in Washington, D.C., I witness the ongoing, heroic battles of Trump appointees trying to tame the weeds of the thoroughly entangled bureaucracy. So much time and so much work is required to make even the smallest progress in rolling back the behemoth.
Right now, for example, the rule solving the dishwasher crisis is opening for comment. Back in the 1970s and 80s dishwashers were an efficient product, cleaning the vestiges of last night’s dinner party off dishes and silverware in under an hour. Then regulations began, demanding less water be used, then less and less. The regulation specifically included a clause saying no later administration could roll it back.
As the water allowance shrinks, the dishes take longer and longer — two to three hours on average today. This great modern convenience has turned into a nuisance. The Trump people were committed to solve this problem, but how?





Here is the solution they came up with to try and outmaneuver the strictures of Bizarro World. First they ascertained that there were none of the old, fast washers in stock at any of the American manufacturers. Since there weren’t, they could now be reinvented. So the rule, now being moved through the comment process, says as follows: a new category will be recognized, under the heading “Fast Dishwashers,” defined as machines capable of completing a washing cycle in under 60 minutes.
The new category of “Fast Dishwashers” will not be subject to the restrictions extant on the plain vanilla category of “Dishwashers,” thus allowing them to use sufficient water to complete the load in an hour or less. After years of retreat from our inventions, we can now behave normally again — but only if we follow an abnormal yellow brick road that was paved back in the day when we thought Oz was really a Wizard and Sam was really an Uncle.

More at: https://spectator.org/making-dishwashers-great-again/

tod evans
09-06-2019, 03:15 PM
It wasn't the 1970's when dishwashers became inefficient...

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2018/08/AP_070420017272/lead_720_405.jpg?mod=1535472523

TheTexan
09-06-2019, 03:19 PM
It wasn't the 1970's when dishwashers became inefficient...

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2018/08/AP_070420017272/lead_720_405.jpg?mod=1535472523

When my dishwasher starts acting up, I find a belt usually fixes it.

tod evans
09-06-2019, 03:25 PM
When my dishwasher starts acting up, I find a belt usually fixes it.

Most of the time a good lube job will fix a squeaky agitator...

Danke
09-06-2019, 03:29 PM
A belt with lubrications? :confused:

Now you piqued @Suzanimal (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php[/email]?38380-Suzanimal) 's interest.

Anti Globalist
09-06-2019, 04:28 PM
My dishwasher is already great.

euphemia
09-06-2019, 05:12 PM
Do what we do: Wash dishes in the sink. Hardly any regulations.

Stratovarious
09-06-2019, 05:19 PM
When my dishwasher starts acting up, I find a belt usually fixes it.

But your dishwasher can vote, be careful.

Stratovarious
09-06-2019, 05:20 PM
Do what we do: Wash dishes in the sink. Hardly any regulations.
Washing dishes will soon be outlawed in Ca.

TheTexan
09-06-2019, 05:21 PM
But your dishwasher can vote, be careful.

That can be fixed with duct tape.

Swordsmyth
09-06-2019, 05:21 PM
Washing dishes will soon be outlawed in Ca.
It's a relic of the white patriarchy.

Stratovarious
09-06-2019, 05:48 PM
It's a relic of the white patriarchy.
Yes it is, and where racism got it's first foothold, that and personal hygiene.
:frog:

Swordsmyth
09-06-2019, 05:49 PM
Yes it is, and where racism got it's first foothold, that and personal hygiene.
:frog:

Baths and showers must be banned to save the whales.

Stratovarious
09-06-2019, 05:51 PM
That can be fixed with duct tape.
Avoid Ace Hdwe brand, it gets gooey and tends to fall off.

Which reminds me;

Officer pulls man over on hwy;

Officer; Sir did you lose a passenger about two miles back ?

Driver; Oh my God officer, yes, that was my wife, thank goodness, I thought I was going deaf......

Stratovarious
09-06-2019, 05:55 PM
Baths and showers must be banned to save the whales.

But first they will make us wash our dishes in the 'gray water' from our showers, then we flush our toilets
with what's left, and of course they'll want us to filter that water and use it as drinking water ,
before drinking water can be fully banned.

ATruepatriot
09-06-2019, 06:12 PM
But first they will make us wash our dishes in the 'gray water' from our showers, then we flush our toilets
with what's left, and of course they'll want us to filter that water and use it as drinking water ,
before drinking water can be fully banned.

It's already happening. They are pissing on their dishes with rumoured as "sterile urine" in Frisco to clean them.

Stratovarious
09-06-2019, 06:17 PM
It's already happening. They are pissing on their dishes with rumoured as "sterile urine" in Frisco to clean them.

So trendy....,,, :frog:

ATruepatriot
09-06-2019, 06:20 PM
So trendy....,,, :frog:

Citiots...

Anti Federalist
09-06-2019, 06:45 PM
Do what we do: Wash dishes in the sink. Hardly any regulations.

Plenty of regulations.

Fedgov fatwas decree how much water can pass through your faucet, how big your hot water heater can be, how hot it can make the water, it's mode of operation, how much pressure in the line is allowed, drain size, make and material...all this and more are under federal fatwa.

Anti Federalist
09-06-2019, 06:47 PM
Bash him all you want, on this, Trump is trying at least.

It's about time somebody pushed back against the regulatory ayatollahs.

brushfire
09-06-2019, 07:44 PM
The noise coming out of my dish washer usually subsides after the trash is taken out. That is, until she finds something else to carry on about.

Swordsmyth
01-15-2020, 09:21 PM
Donald Trump (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump) has revisited his vendetta against energy-saving lightbulbs, ascribing them the blame for his orange hue while extending the focus of his ire to include showers, dishwashers and toilets in a wide-ranging rally speech in Milwaukee (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/milwaukee).
Despite claiming an aide had warned against mentioning lightbulbs ahead of his address, Mr Trump complained “the new lightbulb costs you five times as much and it makes you look orange”.
The president appeared to win his battle with energy-efficient lightbulbs in September, to environmentalists’ dismay (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-light-bulbs-energy-efficient-obama-energy-department-a9092616.html), when he rolled back Obama-era legislation decreeing a transition towards their use.
But his fight against ill-performing household appliances continued.
“I’m also approving new dishwashers that give you more water, so you can actually wash and rinse your dishes without having to do it 10 times – four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10,” he said, likely attacking Department of Energy (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/department-of-energy) regulations.
“Sinks, toilets and showers, you don’t get any water. They put restrictors on and now they made them permanent.
“You go into the shower – and I have this beautiful head of hair, I need a lot of water – and you turn on the water [and] drip, drip, drip. I call the guy, ‘something wrong with this?’ ‘No, sir, it’s just the restrictor’. So you’re in there five times longer than you’re supposed to be, you use probably more water and it’s a very unpleasant experience. We’re getting rid of the restrictors, you’re going to have full shower flow, full sink.”
While also joking about running for president again in 10 years (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-2020-election-president-four-terms-14-years-a9074451.html), he conceded the talk of appliances probably wouldn’t make it into a state of the union speech.
“I’ll leave it out because I want to get praise,” he said. “You cannot make a brilliant speech, where they say ‘that was such an incredible, elegant speech’, where I’m talking about dishwashers, sinks, toilets, lightbulbs.”

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/trump-renews-attack-lightbulbs-goes-113230094.html

Anti Federalist
01-15-2020, 10:03 PM
Do what we do: Wash dishes in the sink. Hardly any regulations.

If you lived in CA there are now.

Anti Federalist
01-15-2020, 10:05 PM
Donald Trump (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump) has revisited his vendetta against energy-saving lightbulbs, ascribing them the blame for his orange hue while extending the focus of his ire to include showers, dishwashers and toilets in a wide-ranging rally speech in Milwaukee (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/milwaukee).
Despite claiming an aide had warned against mentioning lightbulbs ahead of his address, Mr Trump complained “the new lightbulb costs you five times as much and it makes you look orange”.
The president appeared to win his battle with energy-efficient lightbulbs in September, to environmentalists’ dismay (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-light-bulbs-energy-efficient-obama-energy-department-a9092616.html), when he rolled back Obama-era legislation decreeing a transition towards their use.
But his fight against ill-performing household appliances continued.
“I’m also approving new dishwashers that give you more water, so you can actually wash and rinse your dishes without having to do it 10 times – four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10,” he said, likely attacking Department of Energy (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/department-of-energy) regulations.
“Sinks, toilets and showers, you don’t get any water. They put restrictors on and now they made them permanent.
“You go into the shower – and I have this beautiful head of hair, I need a lot of water – and you turn on the water [and] drip, drip, drip. I call the guy, ‘something wrong with this?’ ‘No, sir, it’s just the restrictor’. So you’re in there five times longer than you’re supposed to be, you use probably more water and it’s a very unpleasant experience. We’re getting rid of the restrictors, you’re going to have full shower flow, full sink.”
While also joking about running for president again in 10 years (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-2020-election-president-four-terms-14-years-a9074451.html), he conceded the talk of appliances probably wouldn’t make it into a state of the union speech.
“I’ll leave it out because I want to get praise,” he said. “You cannot make a brilliant speech, where they say ‘that was such an incredible, elegant speech’, where I’m talking about dishwashers, sinks, toilets, lightbulbs.”

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/trump-renews-attack-lightbulbs-goes-113230094.html

I heard him in the other room about that...good.

Danke
01-15-2020, 10:12 PM
Had a really fat dude rent from me in a newer house with tank water restricted flush. I told him to flush while he took his big dumps. Had two plumber calls (expensive) to unclog his big dumps.

Pauls' Revere
01-15-2020, 10:32 PM
It's already happening. They are pissing on their dishes with rumoured as "sterile urine" in Frisco to clean them.

So woke...

Anti Federalist
01-16-2020, 01:23 AM
Had a really fat due rent from me in a newer house with tank water restricted flush. I told him to flush while he took his big dumps. Had two plumber calls (expensive) to unclog his big dumps.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/172930be7d2292244e1c0eb8fffd5af0/tenor.gif?itemid=5070786

kpitcher
01-16-2020, 12:24 PM
Plenty of regulations.

Fedgov fatwas decree how much water can pass through your faucet, how big your hot water heater can be, how hot it can make the water, it's mode of operation, how much pressure in the line is allowed, drain size, make and material...all this and more are under federal fatwa.

Good thing you can be more energy efficient by going with a tankless hot water system which has the added benefit of as much hot water as you could ever want.

angelatc
01-16-2020, 12:47 PM
Good thing you can be more energy efficient by going with a tankless hot water system which has the added benefit of as much hot water as you could ever want.

I have a well. Not nearly enough water pressure to make that work.

Anti Federalist
01-16-2020, 12:54 PM
Good thing you can be more energy efficient by going with a tankless hot water system which has the added benefit of as much hot water as you could ever want.

Already got one, it's incorporated into the oil burner for the HWBB heating.

That's not the point, of course.

What right does some faceless bureaucrat have to write fatwas that dictate how much of my water or my fuel or my electricty I may use in my home as I see fit.

kpitcher
01-16-2020, 03:30 PM
Already got one, it's incorporated into the oil burner for the HWBB heating.

That's not the point, of course.

What right does some faceless bureaucrat have to write fatwas that dictate how much of my water or my fuel or my electricty I may use in my home as I see fit.

I understand your point, and agree overall with senseless regulations. Although this is just Trump spewing drivel from hearing some report on fox news or something against decades old economy measures that overall have been solved. I do find it funny that there are limits on water GPM on a typical showerhead but no rules against the 'car wash' style showers with an overhead spray, handheld, and multiple adjustable side sprays. This is becoming more common for bathroom renovations.

http://justgirly.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/multi-head-shower-multi-head-shower-system-multi-head-shower-system-kohler.jpg


Although big picture... I do think that we haven't figured out a best approach on how to properly account for shared resources like water. I know grandparents had to go deeper when agriculture caused high nitrates in their well. Other wells have had to go deeper because water tables dropped from agriculture. Now PFAS chemicals are showing up in wells in my area due to now defunct manufacturing. Then you have government forcing people to remove rain water collection on their own property. I know water rights is a huge area of law, also a variety of takes in libertarian thought, so balancing the overreach of big government, from fed to local, with property rights and individual liberty is already tricky enough. I only see this being a bigger issue as population and climate demands more usable water.

Oh also nice setup, combo heaters like that are great.

Danke
01-16-2020, 03:35 PM
As long as they don't restrict the water flow on my bidet.

dannno
01-16-2020, 03:50 PM
I only see this being a bigger issue as population and climate demands more usable water.


Fortunately scientists found out recently that the reason the ocean levels aren't rising as much as they thought is because groundwater table sizes are increasing instead.