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Suzanimal
09-06-2019, 06:08 AM
Ridiculous bullshit.

Sorry if itís posted wrong - blame my phone and Mr As cheap ass.:bigpoo:



'South Park' Made It Cool Not to Care. Then The World Changed

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Fox News has, of course, long thrived on getting people mad over the fact that you "can't say anything anymore." 4chan began as a place for people to post disturbing things that made them laugh and evolved into a breeding ground for GamerGate, the alt-right, and white nationalism. More recently, YouTuber Steven Crowder has positioned himself as a brave defendant of free speech thanks to his refusal to stop employing racist and homophobic rhetoric, while psychology professor-cum-motivational speaker Jordan Peterson has continually used the same reasoning to justify his refusal to use respectful gender pronouns. Meanwhile, Donald Trump seems to persist in the belief that bloviating about the "shadow banning" of conservatives and how people should be able to say "Merry Christmas" is an effective way to convince his base that he is the champion of their personal freedom.


At the end of the day, these so-called "free speech" initiatives are all deeply, furiously concerned with the way other people are living their lives: the gender they identify as, their sexuality, the language they speak, their skin color. It is the polar opposite of the "just leave people be" ethos that early South Park espoused, but it can be spun as part of the same fight because the feeling behind it is similar.

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Cartoonist Charlie "Spike" Trotman once quipped that "The worst thing about nerds who become bullies is that you'll never convince them that they're anything but victims." She was talking about GamerGate specifically, but it's an observation that applies just as easily to the war on so-called "PC culture" at large. And it's hard to think of a better embodiment of this than South Park's recent "#CancelSouthPark" ad campaign, a seeming attempt to energize its fans by literally pretending that someone is trying to censor the show.

The truth is that no one seems to have really made much effort to censor South Park in quite some time. They are no longer the outsiders fighting back against the establishment: They are the establishment, two of the world's richest comedians whose signature show cost Comedy Central $192 million to renew back in 2015. But so long as they position themselves as underdogs, they risk empowering those who seek to use their invented victimhood as a smokescreen for bigotry. This is Fox News' gambit when they talk about the war on Christmas, Trump's angle when he attacks the "fake news" for criticizing himóbullies acting like victims to spark that particular, put-upon sort of outrage that ignites their base. When South Park acts like it's still the rebel throwing rocks at the establishment, rather than a platform for the grievances of two insanely rich straight white men, it's playing the same game.

South Park can never be what it was back in its Bigger, Longer & Uncut days, because too much has changed. Today's most urgent cultural battles are less about top-down censorship and more about the ways the nuances of policy, language, and representation can hurt historically marginalized people, in part because social media has ensured that these people are finally having their concerns heard. If we dismiss these discussions as authoritarian censorship, we'll be betraying everything that made South Park great in the glory days of Bigger, Longer & Uncut. That movie is a story about a bunch of people who start off caring about something they think is a threat and then get so caught up fighting that they end up hurting everyone around them. A lot of people could still benefit, twenty years later, from taking note of the movie's messageóincluding Matt Stone and Trey Parker.

Grandmastersexsay
09-06-2019, 08:19 AM
The cancel south park campaign was a joke about how long the show has been out, not an attempt to make people think they were being censored.

South park can never be the same, not for the reason this article asserts, but because its creators have steadily become less libertarian, and become more liberal, as the show has progressed. The entertainment industry has a habit of doing that to people.

fisharmor
09-06-2019, 08:21 AM
Well, my first thought is, man, the author is getting nostalgic about their movie, which the fans pretty much forgot about the minute it came out on video.

I think the other hardcore fans would agree that the movie was a bookend. The movie also happened around season 2... so there have been 20 whole seasons of South Park since then.

The movie was really the beginning of the end of the purely scatalogical humor - gags like Saddam Hussein having gay sex with Satan had no larger point and weren't satirical. Season 3 had that dreadful Korn Halloween episode that wasn't satirical or even funny, so there were some false starts... but season 2 also had the Underpants Gnomes episode which is some of their finest (and most obscure) satire ever.

That isn't to say the scatalogical humor disappeared... probably the worst of it was the Human CentIPad episode in 2011, but it wasn't being done for a cheap laugh - it was being done to hammer home the satire of the episode.

And for those looking for cheap laughs and not having to think, it has only gotten worse over the last 3-4 years.... now they're doing entire seasons (which unfortunately are only 10 episodes) that reference and build on each other, and you need to watch the entire season to get the jokes.

I don't know if there's an ultimate reason why they started the #CancelSouthPark thing, but what they said about it, is they're tired of the show (they did a whole multi-show statement five whole years ago how they thought it was time to quit) and wish they would just get cancelled. But then they drop jokes like the PC babies last fall... and this fan, at least, was thinking, "Guys, you spent a year and a half setting up this joke and it was absolutely brilliant. Why the fuck would we possibly be happy with cancelling you?"

I don't think you need to dig too deep into that joke to find the real reason leftists hate South Park. It's because the pure scat morphed, a long time ago, into some of the most brilliant satire mankind has ever seen, and leftists are often the butt of the jokes.

We saw them create a completely one-dimensional SJW bully to be the new principal. He's so one-dimensional that they don't even give him a name. They made him specifically a white male to highlight the inherent hypocrisy of the whole SJW movement. Then they made his appearance and mannerisms totally indistinct from the jock assholes who have been unofficially running high schools for at least 40 years. And they made him completely immune to manipulation, and exactly mimicked life: when he's confronted by people SJW's claim to protect, he turns on them.

Then they create his vice-principal, an equally one-dimensional, nameless woman (who is still white), and you find out pretty immediately the only reason she is able to stand up to him is because of something completely not on the SJW map: his primal urge to mate with her. It transcends all the bullshit they learned in college, and he submits to her for that reason.

Then they end up committing a couple cardinal sins for SJWs. First, they submit to their natures and sleep with each other, and admit the whole time their SJW mindset disallows this. Then she gets pregnant, and commits the sin of keeping the pregnancy. And they end up committing an ultimate sin - they have a LOT of kids, five at once. And then there's an argument between the two of them, because the father wants to continue giving up on SJW bullshit and BE their father, but the mother can't have that because it somehow makes her less strong to do things the way the rest of humanity has done it since prehistory.

And then, all at once, in the midst of all that other great satire, we find out the real reason all this happened - so Parker and Stone can insert these "PC babies" anywhere they want, to make them cry when someone is putting on a Christmas Special, and to have random people say "Aw they're just a bunch of PC babies, they don't know what they want!"

This is the real reason why this writer is butthurt - because he's just a PC baby and doesn't know what he wants, and South Park already called him out for it, after a very long and rewarding setup.

South Park's glory days are NOW.

fisharmor
09-06-2019, 08:22 AM
its creators have steadily become less libertarian, and become more liberal, as the show has progressed.

That's not the show I've been watching.

Danke
09-06-2019, 08:25 AM
Ridiculous bullshit.

Sorry if it’s posted wrong - blame my phone and Mr As cheap ass.:bigpoo:



'South Park' Made It Cool Not to Care. Then The World Changed

...
Fox News has, of course, long thrived on getting people mad over the fact that you "can't say anything anymore." 4chan began as a place for people to post disturbing things that made them laugh and evolved into a breeding ground for GamerGate, the alt-right, and white nationalism. More recently, YouTuber Steven Crowder has positioned himself as a brave defendant of free speech thanks to his refusal to stop employing racist and homophobic rhetoric, while psychology professor-cum-motivational speaker Jordan Peterson has continually used the same reasoning to justify his refusal to use respectful gender pronouns. Meanwhile, Donald Trump seems to persist in the belief that bloviating about the "shadow banning" of conservatives and how people should be able to say "Merry Christmas" is an effective way to convince his base that he is the champion of their personal freedom.


At the end of the day, these so-called "free speech" initiatives are all deeply, furiously concerned with the way other people are living their lives: the gender they identify as, their sexuality, the language they speak, their skin color. It is the polar opposite of the "just leave people be" ethos that early South Park espoused, but it can be spun as part of the same fight because the feeling behind it is similar.

ADVERTISEMENT

Cartoonist Charlie "Spike" Trotman once quipped that "The worst thing about nerds who become bullies is that you'll never convince them that they're anything but victims." She was talking about GamerGate specifically, but it's an observation that applies just as easily to the war on so-called "PC culture" at large. And it's hard to think of a better embodiment of this than South Park's recent "#CancelSouthPark" ad campaign, a seeming attempt to energize its fans by literally pretending that someone is trying to censor the show.

The truth is that no one seems to have really made much effort to censor South Park in quite some time. They are no longer the outsiders fighting back against the establishment: They are the establishment, two of the world's richest comedians whose signature show cost Comedy Central $192 million to renew back in 2015. But so long as they position themselves as underdogs, they risk empowering those who seek to use their invented victimhood as a smokescreen for bigotry. This is Fox News' gambit when they talk about the war on Christmas, Trump's angle when he attacks the "fake news" for criticizing him—bullies acting like victims to spark that particular, put-upon sort of outrage that ignites their base. When South Park acts like it's still the rebel throwing rocks at the establishment, rather than a platform for the grievances of two insanely rich straight white men, it's playing the same game.

South Park can never be what it was back in its Bigger, Longer & Uncut days, because too much has changed. Today's most urgent cultural battles are less about top-down censorship and more about the ways the nuances of policy, language, and representation can hurt historically marginalized people, in part because social media has ensured that these people are finally having their concerns heard. If we dismiss these discussions as authoritarian censorship, we'll be betraying everything that made South Park great in the glory days of Bigger, Longer & Uncut. That movie is a story about a bunch of people who start off caring about something they think is a threat and then get so caught up fighting that they end up hurting everyone around them. A lot of people could still benefit, twenty years later, from taking note of the movie's message—including Matt Stone and Trey Parker.

tl;dr

Origanalist
09-06-2019, 08:31 AM
A link to the whole thing.. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywapmv/south-park-made-it-cool-not-to-care-then-the-world-changed

fisharmor
09-06-2019, 08:54 AM
A link to the whole thing.. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywapmv/south-park-made-it-cool-not-to-care-then-the-world-changed
Well if I knew it was Vice I would have replied tl;dr too.

dannno
09-08-2019, 01:32 PM
This is the real reason why this writer is butthurt - because he's just a PC baby and doesn't know what he wants, and South Park already called him out for it, after a very long and rewarding setup.

South Park's glory days are NOW.

+REP!!!

Exactly!!

The author can't put together a coherent thought as to why South Park's olden days were so "anti-establishment", other than that it was a bunch of young kids swearing and jacking off dogs offensive... but now that they are making fun of him and his friends, they are just two rich white guys who are part of the establishment?? LOL....


If anybody wants to know what is going on in South Park lately and doesn't watch the show, read the rest of that long post I quoted.. then go and watch it! PC Principal starts at the beginning of Season 19. I think you can watch most of it online at southparkstudios.com (edit: turns out you need a Hulu subscription, you can get a free trial and watch the last 3 seasons of south park then cancel, after that it's $5.99/mo)

Buckle up, buckaroos!!