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KEEF
08-24-2019, 07:37 PM
1165327628825284610

https://twitter.com/jordan_sather_/status/1165327628825284610

Stratovarious
08-24-2019, 07:51 PM
Legit.

tfurrh
08-24-2019, 07:52 PM
That's awesome

jmdrake
08-24-2019, 08:08 PM
Good for them!

Occam's Banana
08-24-2019, 08:09 PM
Meanwhile in America ... (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Aronpaulforums.com+alexa+echo)

Anti Federalist
08-24-2019, 09:03 PM
Be The Americans The People Of Hong Kong Think You Are!

Anti Globalist
08-24-2019, 09:12 PM
The people of Hong Kong are freakin beasts. Americans need to follow their example.

TheTexan
08-24-2019, 09:35 PM
How would facial recognition even work in an asian country like HK?

Their computers must be ultra-sophisticated to tell their faces apart.

jkr
08-24-2019, 09:39 PM
hear
here

Swordsmyth
08-24-2019, 09:40 PM
How would facial recognition even work in an asian country like HK?

Their computers must be ultra-sophisticated to tell their faces apart.
AI DOES have a harder time telling them apart, that's one reason China has poured so much money into improving it.

invisible
08-24-2019, 09:43 PM
But the trumpettes and shylls keep saying that everyone in the rest of the world are communists.
That is just fearmongering, THIS is really why they're so afraid of immigrants.

Swordsmyth
08-24-2019, 09:58 PM
But the trumpettes and shylls keep saying that everyone in the rest of the world are communists.
That is just fearmongering, THIS is really why they're so afraid of immigrants.
They are more communist than us.

jkr
08-24-2019, 09:58 PM
MONGOLS

I
LUV
EM

jkr
08-24-2019, 10:00 PM
They are more communist than us.

I observe that that capitolism is a code fore commm you niz um

jkr
08-24-2019, 10:02 PM
This was published in 1997, here is a more in-depth CURRENT look at the 10 planks.
TEN PLANKS OF THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO (in America!)

This is Marx, Engel, Lenin
Could this be happening in America? If so, how?
Our “elected representatives” have passed laws implementing these anti-freedom concepts. The communists have achieved a de facto FEDERAL SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT in America.
In 1848 Karl Marx and Frederick Engels wrote a book outlining a political ideology, titled “The Communist Manifesto”. Marxism’s basic theme is that the proletariat (the “exploited” working class of a capitalistic society) will suffer from alienation and will rise up against the “bourgeoisie” (the middle class) and overthrow the system of “capitalism.” After a brief period of rule by “the dictatorship of the proletariat” the classless society of communism would emerge. In his Manifesto Marx described the following ten steps as necessary steps to be taken to destroy a free enterprise society!!
Notice how many of these conditions, foreign to the principles that America was founded upon, have now, in 1997 (WHAT!!! – heading into 2013 where are we at now?), been realized by the concerted efforts of socialist activists? Remember, government interference in your daily life and business is intrusion and deprivation of our liberties!
First Plank: Abolition of property in land and the application of all rents of land to public purposes. (Zoning – Model ordinances proposed by Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover widely adopted. Supreme Court ruled “zoning” to be “constitutional” in 1921. Private owners of property required to get permission from government relative to the use of their property. Federally owned lands are leased for grazing, mining, timber usages, the fees being paid into the U.S. Treasury.)
Second Plank: A heavy progressive or graduated incometax. (Corporate Tax Act of 1909. The 16th Amendment, allegedly ratified in 1913. The Revenue Act of 1913, section 2, Income Tax. These laws have been purposely misapplied against American citizens to this day.)
Third Plank: Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (Partially accomplished by enactment of various state and federal “estate tax” laws taxing the “privilege” of transfering property after death and gift before death.)
Fourth Plank: CONFISCATION OF THE PROPERTY OF ALL EMIGRANTS AND REBELS. (The confiscation of property and persecution of those critical – “rebels” – of government policies and actions, frequently accomplished by prosecuting them in a courtroom drama on charges of violations of non-existing administrative or regulatory laws.)
Fifth Plank: Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. (The Federal Reserve Bank, 1913- -the system of privately-owned Federal Reserve banks which maintain a monopoly on the valueless debt “money” in circulation.)
Sixth Plank: Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State. (Federal Radio Commission, 1927; Federal Communications Commission, 1934; Air Commerce Act of 1926; Civil Aeronautics Act of 1938; Federal Aviation Agency, 1958; becoming part of the Department of Transportation in 1966; Federal Highway Act of 1916 (federal funds made available to States for highway construction); Interstate Highway System, 1944 (funding began 1956); Interstate Commerce Commission given authority by Congress to regulate trucking and carriers on inland waterways, 1935-40; Department of Transportation, 1966.)
Seventh Plank: Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. (Depart-ment of Agriculture, 1862; Agriculture Adjustment Act of 1933 — farmers will receive government aid if and only if they relinquish control of farming activities; Tennessee Valley Authority, 1933 with the Hoover Dam completed in 1936.)
Eighth Plank: Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies especially for agriculture. (First labor unions, known as federations, appeared in 1820. National Labor Union established 1866. American Federation of Labor established 1886. Interstate Commerce Act of 1887 placed railways under federal regulation. Department of Labor, 1913. Labor-management negotiations sanctioned under Railway Labor Act of 1926. Civil Works Administration, 1933. National Labor Relations Act of 1935, stated purpose to free inter-state commerce from disruptive strikes by eliminating the cause of the strike. Works Progress Administration 1935. Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, mandated 40-hour work week and time-and-a-half for overtime, set “minimum wage” scale. Civil Rights Act of 1964, effectively the equal liability of all to labor.)
Ninth Plank: Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country. (Food processing companies, with the co-operation of the Farmers Home Administration foreclosures, are buying up farms and creating “conglomerates.”)
Tenth Plank: Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. (Gradual shift from private education to publicly funded began in the Northern States, early 1800’s. 1887: federal money (unconstitutionally) began funding specialized education. Smith-Lever Act of 1914, vocational education; Smith-Hughes Act of 1917 and other relief acts of the 1930’s. Federal school lunch program of 1935; National School Lunch Act of 1946. National Defense Education Act of 1958, a reaction to Russia’s Sputnik satellite demonstration, provided grants to education’s specialties. Federal school aid law passed, 1965, greatly enlarged federal role in education, “head-start” programs, textbooks, library books.
Found Source: http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/planks.html
(Research source: Encyclopedia Britannica.)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/are-we-headed-toward-the-constitution-or-the-communist-manifesto-this-breakdown-tells-you/

jkr
08-24-2019, 10:03 PM
ho else has a festivus?

Swordsmyth
08-24-2019, 10:05 PM
I observe that that capitolism is a code fore commm you niz um
I didn't say we were perfect, that doesn't change the fact that they are worse and the mainland ChiComs are worse yet.

jkr
08-24-2019, 10:21 PM
well

they kill humanes over evil


but yeah...I hear you

jkr
08-24-2019, 10:22 PM
I called us humane



im going with it

jkr
08-24-2019, 10:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDrPkJrW5zc

UWDude
08-24-2019, 10:38 PM
The French yellow jackets have destroyed almost all traffic cameras in France.
(There were a ton of them, France lowered the speed limit to essentially 50 mph, and then put up auto-ticket speeding camera everywhere)

It is ironic they are waving brit flags in Hong Kong, when Britain has the highest CCTV camera per person ration in the world.

scaryassea
08-24-2019, 10:48 PM
That is technology

UWDude
08-24-2019, 10:52 PM
That is technology
So is this conversation you and I are having.
And these protests are fueled by technology.

People want some aspects of technology, but not others.
And that is their right, of course.

The question is how do they win?

jkr
08-24-2019, 11:17 PM
i thought that was pretty c00l

Anti Federalist
08-24-2019, 11:50 PM
But the trumpettes and shylls keep saying that everyone in the rest of the world are communists.
That is just fearmongering, THIS is really why they're so afraid of immigrants.

Are you now denying the mainland Chinese government is communist?

UWDude
08-24-2019, 11:59 PM
Are you now denying the mainland Chinese government is communist?

The Chinese Dragon is rising in power and wealth, because China is no longer communist, it is now de-facto capitalist...

....but, when China is trying to put down a demonstration in Hong Kong, it is because they are brutal communists.

Swordsmyth
08-25-2019, 12:05 AM
The Chinese Dragon is rising in power and wealth, because China is no longer communist, it is now de-facto capitalist...

....but, when China is trying to put down a demonstration in Hong Kong, it is because they are brutal communists.
The fiction of capitalist China is about to come crumbling down.
And even if they are fascist instead of communist they are still brutal and evil tyrants.

Anti Federalist
08-25-2019, 12:20 AM
MONGOLS

I
LUV
EM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4xZUr0BEfE

Anti Federalist
08-25-2019, 12:23 AM
The Chinese Dragon is rising in power and wealth, because China is no longer communist, it is now de-facto capitalist...

....but, when China is trying to put down a demonstration in Hong Kong, it is because they are brutal communists.

The Chi-Coms understand that they will get nowhere appealing to "New Soviet Man" austerity if that means lining up for three blocks to buy shoddy Chairman Mao jackets made in Laos.

Just like the New Bolsheviks here understand that class struggle will not play out and have switched from class to ethnicity.

Anti Federalist
08-25-2019, 12:28 AM
Ethnicity (or incorrectly "race") has replaced class in the Marxist canon.

The Bolsheviks realized that "class struggle" is not going to sell well in a nation where even the most dimwitted of people can easily acquire $700 iPhones, enough food to make one morbidly obese inside of a few months and 60 inch flat screen TVs. Those a few points higher up on the IQ scale can easily afford a family sedan with more power, features and performance than that of a Maserati or Porsche from 30 years ago. They can afford a 6000 square foot McMansion if desired.

All on easy credit terms.

No, class envy won't sell.

But ethnic envy, oh hell yeah, that sells by the bucketload.

If you can't get the Bolshevik/Jacobin mob whipped up to "take the rich man's stuff" you sure as hell can get them whipped up to "take the white man's stuff".

Especially after convincing them that everything that evil white man has, only exists because he enslaved your people.

Brilliant plan, actually, in a Machiavellian way.

...

Warlord
08-25-2019, 03:52 AM
The French yellow jackets have destroyed almost all traffic cameras in France.
(There were a ton of them, France lowered the speed limit to essentially 50 mph, and then put up auto-ticket speeding camera everywhere)

It is ironic they are waving brit flags in Hong Kong, when Britain has the highest CCTV camera per person ration in the world.

They're not just waving Brit flags but also American ones and signs saying 'We need a 2A' :)

Working Poor
08-25-2019, 12:00 PM
good for them I wonder when the USA will do that?

Anti Globalist
08-25-2019, 12:04 PM
good for them I wonder when the USA will do that?
Too late for that. Americans have already been dumbed down to not do anything about it.

Working Poor
08-25-2019, 12:18 PM
How would facial recognition even work in an asian country like HK?

Their computers must be ultra-sophisticated to tell their faces apart.
I hate to tell you this but all Asians do not look alike.

TheTexan
08-25-2019, 12:28 PM
I hate to tell you this but all Asians do not look alike.

Tell that to the 2013 Miss Korea contestants

https://www.bigwowo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/itfbpt01.jpg

CCTelander
08-25-2019, 12:34 PM
So...in Hong Kong they're tearing down facial recognition cameras. Here Trump's installing Them via EO, with nary a peep of protest.

That seems about right.

Theocrat
08-25-2019, 12:36 PM
So...in Hong Kong they're tearing down facial recognition cameras. Here Trump's installing Them via EO, with nary a peep of protest.

That seems about right.

We're witnessing the circle of life, as it pertains to civilizations.

tfurrh
08-25-2019, 12:42 PM
I called us humane



im going with it

Are we humane, or are we dancer?

Stratovarious
08-25-2019, 01:13 PM
Tell that to the 2013 Miss Korea contestants

https://www.bigwowo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/itfbpt01.jpg

The one on the bottom proves that they don't all look alike, her hair is less black.

Anti Federalist
08-25-2019, 05:38 PM
So...in Hong Kong they're tearing down facial recognition cameras. Here Trump's installing Them via EO, with nary a peep of protest.

That seems about right.

Why would anybody protest?

They happily festoon themselves, using their own money, their homes, their cars, their businesses and everything else, with all manner of high tech surveillance and love it and want more.

Working Poor
08-26-2019, 06:47 AM
Tell that to the 2013 Miss Korea contestants

I guess to the unobservant all Asians look alike.

shakey1
08-26-2019, 07:34 AM
http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2014/12/10/11/eyeofsauron.jpg

Danke
08-26-2019, 08:16 AM
I guess to the unobservant all Asians look alike.


I have a very discerning eye WRT Asian women.

fisharmor
08-26-2019, 11:57 AM
Tell that to the 2013 Miss Korea contestants

https://www.bigwowo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/itfbpt01.jpg


You mean if you put a bunch of pictures of people who are all vying for the same appearance-based position next to each other at the same time, they look alike?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/60KeEONmcmPe4ExH_3O_QRWrnmYxHqHnPT8RxF0vmIwOk5oClJ Zu_C5ZD_iLKnxxNpLyPrJr7qldR2kVsWMlm_zKHqB_5MqwMV8f agSoYAUl8BatQC-DNq2WcKufriiOoS1-FGP2mDqSORrd_S65ixIX-XYR66dmZmwgA9MhJ_Kx82OpJk7gnHsOJmSedxj8FpcnG3I0AlQ VPv6x5kN7WwpeW9AVEdMPanfJPsdumU4m81wbjZtul-36S7UgEXkIo1CM9XLvHgPMou4OoGqkC1SYEUnzdQMvhO03RPI5 GqUeWWuq-KU6c537qrIEhh_FTVuZBnpoKvnVj15hAJlEV3Zfg4hTgOZe4kk pctDGg2B14PdgR5FLxdsA8QmhS7XrspoB7VNV6PPixI9h6Dd7Z atNOgf2dnbMH3oaqvgkXU_igZo65x1JZCS9tdrtB5yYRyj9uQA lwJcRrgXF1ZBBeXNPuoIgKQZsT_6VQaWvRm96zcjYnR6vl6dEK 3oRwponDuaJev3a9lFYOjC7j5YfkZ14h28b0ZMYNdw4USYJbDu feoPHSqpLmk6Dqi2Gkr8np6rDtvsq9z7lQQkZ9BZPOniPwja-4WL1MbD8L87QuAhfvcM5vOBwTMqr4QoM9DZ35XerUiC1xW34L6 euY40rhFDoETcq5Rsc=w1882-h468-no

TheTexan
08-26-2019, 03:41 PM
You mean if you put a bunch of pictures of people who are all vying for the same appearance-based position next to each other at the same time, they look alike?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/60KeEONmcmPe4ExH_3O_QRWrnmYxHqHnPT8RxF0vmIwOk5oClJ Zu_C5ZD_iLKnxxNpLyPrJr7qldR2kVsWMlm_zKHqB_5MqwMV8f agSoYAUl8BatQC-DNq2WcKufriiOoS1-FGP2mDqSORrd_S65ixIX-XYR66dmZmwgA9MhJ_Kx82OpJk7gnHsOJmSedxj8FpcnG3I0AlQ VPv6x5kN7WwpeW9AVEdMPanfJPsdumU4m81wbjZtul-36S7UgEXkIo1CM9XLvHgPMou4OoGqkC1SYEUnzdQMvhO03RPI5 GqUeWWuq-KU6c537qrIEhh_FTVuZBnpoKvnVj15hAJlEV3Zfg4hTgOZe4kk pctDGg2B14PdgR5FLxdsA8QmhS7XrspoB7VNV6PPixI9h6Dd7Z atNOgf2dnbMH3oaqvgkXU_igZo65x1JZCS9tdrtB5yYRyj9uQA lwJcRrgXF1ZBBeXNPuoIgKQZsT_6VQaWvRm96zcjYnR6vl6dEK 3oRwponDuaJev3a9lFYOjC7j5YfkZ14h28b0ZMYNdw4USYJbDu feoPHSqpLmk6Dqi2Gkr8np6rDtvsq9z7lQQkZ9BZPOniPwja-4WL1MbD8L87QuAhfvcM5vOBwTMqr4QoM9DZ35XerUiC1xW34L6 euY40rhFDoETcq5Rsc=w1882-h468-no

Nope, I'm pretty sure it's because they're asian.

Miss Ireland 2017, all of them individually distinguishable.

https://www.angelopedia.com/newspic/J4GHAO5PJQConMI2017.jpg

I'm not a face scientist, but I suspect an objective scientific study would back my hypothesis. Though I don't think one is needed, this fact to me at least is self-evident.

GunnyFreedom
08-26-2019, 03:49 PM
Irony is a bunch of ex Tea Party conservatives cheering this action while supporting anti-mask laws in the US.

Called out a guy on fedbook about this and he said if it gets to that point he’ll be shooting so he won’t give a damn about breaking mask laws. His logic was not unsound, but it still didn’t diminish my sense of irony.

GunnyFreedom
08-26-2019, 03:52 PM
Nope, I'm pretty sure it's because they're asian.

Miss Ireland 2017, all of them individually distinguishable.

https://www.angelopedia.com/newspic/J4GHAO5PJQConMI2017.jpg

I'm not a face scientist, but I suspect an objective scientific study would back my hypothesis. Though I don't think one is needed, this fact to me at least is self-evident.

if you take all the hair away there is not really much more variance in just facial structures here than there was in the S Kor image. The SK image is at a disadvantage because everyone is at the same angle to the camera, where in this image everyone is at a slightly different angle.

Danke
08-26-2019, 04:11 PM
Nope, I'm pretty sure it's because they're asian.

Miss Ireland 2017, all of them individually distinguishable.

https://www.angelopedia.com/newspic/J4GHAO5PJQConMI2017.jpg

I'm not a face scientist, but I suspect an objective scientific study would back my hypothesis. Though I don't think one is needed, this fact to me at least is self-evident.


Which one won? And did you vote?

TheTexan
08-26-2019, 04:22 PM
Which one won? And did you vote?

One of the brunettes won.

I voted for a redhead as a protest vote, as there weren't any redheads in the competition. (wtf Ireland?)

KEEF
08-26-2019, 04:31 PM
if you take all the hair away there is not really much more variance in just facial structures here than there was in the S Kor image. The SK image is at a disadvantage because everyone is at the same angle to the camera, where in this image everyone is at a slightly different angle.
To back that up, there have been plenty of studies done that show people of a particular race can distinguish between each other but not so well when trying to distinguish individuals of another race.

Here is one:
Association for Psychological Science. "Why We Are Unable To Distinguish Faces Of Other Races (and Sometimes Our Own)." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 16 August 2007. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814154259.htm>.

Anti Globalist
08-26-2019, 04:52 PM
One of the brunettes won.

I voted for a redhead as a protest vote, as there weren't any redheads in the competition. (wtf Ireland?)
Ireland must be racist against gingers.

Danke
08-26-2019, 05:06 PM
One of the brunettes won.

I voted for a redhead as a protest vote, as there weren't any redheads in the competition. (wtf Ireland?)


2019 MTV VMAs red carpet: Vote for your favorite look


For AF’s eyes only, AF voted:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/2019-hnl-vmas-red-carpet-221618199.html (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/2019-mtv-vmas-red-carpet-221618199.html)

7002

GunnyFreedom
08-26-2019, 05:12 PM
To back that up, there have been plenty of studies done that show people of a particular race can distinguish between each other but not so well when trying to distinguish individuals of another race.

Here is one:
Association for Psychological Science. "Why We Are Unable To Distinguish Faces Of Other Races (and Sometimes Our Own)." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 16 August 2007. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070814154259.htm>.



I have experienced this first hand. I was stationed in Hawaii for 3 years. One of my best friends was Korean. We hung out with a lot of Asians. After about 4-8 months I could perceive a dazzling array of variation in Asian faces that I was completely unable to before. After about 14 months I could easily pick out features that were Japanese vs Chinese vs Korean vs Vietnamese vs Laotian etc. I can’t so much do than anymore 20 years later.

osan
08-27-2019, 10:49 AM
1165327628825284610

https://twitter.com/jordan_sather_/status/1165327628825284610


Compare with Antifa pansies.

osan
08-27-2019, 10:50 AM
Meanwhile in America ... (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Aronpaulforums.com+alexa+echo)

Stole my thunder.

You bastard!

Love you.

osan
08-27-2019, 10:53 AM
But the trumpettes and shylls keep saying that everyone in the rest of the world are communists.
That is just fearmongering, THIS is really why they're so afraid of immigrants.


Meh... your words suggest all immigrants are good. They are not.

osan
08-27-2019, 11:03 AM
The question is how do they win?

Not sure they do.

Consider the reality.

Most people in the world want nothing to do with freedom.

Most people in the world could give a shit about anyone that is not them.

Most people in the world REALLY like their low-low KMart prices.

China provides nearly everything to the world in terms of a vast plurality of material goods.

China is well known for not giving a damn what their people want or what the rest of the world thinks of them.

The rest of the world is not going to do anything substantial in response to the Chinese mob (AKA "government") turning the red army whole-hog loose on the people in Hong Kong, once they have decided they have truly had enough.

This combination seems to point toward a wholesale slaughter somewhere on the horizon. Chinese government is known for never messing about where its supremacy is concerned. There is, therefore, little reason to expect them not to unleash wild force against Hong Kong, which will naturally lead to a slaughter of some magnitude or another. The world might complain, but will DO nothing.

Therefore, the future looks pretty grim for those people. I will be very surprised if Beijing backs down. I don't see it happening as it would be loss of face and the Chinese are weak-egoed in this respect. They simply cannot live with loss of face, and so I would expect the army to go in hot once patience is exhausted.

osan
08-27-2019, 11:11 AM
Irony is a bunch of ex Tea Party conservatives cheering this action while supporting anti-mask laws in the US.

Sadly, I cannot disagree.

We are either free, or we are something else.

How many times does this have to be repeated?

osan
08-27-2019, 11:18 AM
2019 MTV VMAs red carpet: Vote for your favorite look


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/2019-mtv-vmas-red-carpet-221618199.html


AF voted:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/blob:http://www.ronpaulforums.com/400495a8-88b9-48c4-8aea-877411945400


OK, that's just disgusting and completely uncalled for.

Back to retinal bleeding, damn it.

Danke
08-27-2019, 01:16 PM
OK, that's just disgusting and completely uncalled for.

Back to retinal bleeding, damn it.

sorry, fixed it 4 U.

osan
08-28-2019, 05:23 PM
sorry, fixed it 4 U.

While the sentiment is appreciated, your time sucks.

Love you.

Anti Federalist
08-28-2019, 05:40 PM
2019 MTV VMAs red carpet: Vote for your favorite look


For AF’s eyes only, AF voted:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/2019-hnl-vmas-red-carpet-221618199.html (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/2019-mtv-vmas-red-carpet-221618199.html)

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She "performed" in front of giant, inflatable ass.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2019/08/lizzo-vmas-site-636x397.jpg

The real thing:

https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/R1327_Mix_LIZZO.jpg?resize=900,600&w=440

Idiocracy, for real:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UPD0srSiOFE/hqdefault.jpg

Anti Federalist
08-28-2019, 05:43 PM
sorry, fixed it 4 U.

I, however, did not.