Trump: Voter ID must play 'very strong part' in deal on election security

[Swordsmyth]

President Trump (https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump) on Tuesday said Congress should not consider any "final agreement" on election security that does not include provisions mandating voters present identification while casting ballots.
“No debate on Election Security should go forward without first agreeing that Voter ID (Identification) must play a very strong part in any final agreement. Without Voter ID, it is all so meaningless!” Trump tweeted Tuesday.

More at: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/457340-trump-voter-id-must-play-very-strong-part-in-deal-on-election

[donnay]

I agree, but we need to get rid of the electronic ballot counters, and computer voting. They are too easily hacked to rig an election.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t75xvZ3osFg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEMzw1oAusg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fob-AGgZn44&list=PL-WSSHJsoVY12wE1B3XGGlFPsxPWVvXrF

[TheCount]

Gotta get that realid in there somehow.

[devil21]

Gotta get that realid in there somehow.

All must be in the system.

Cuz' Messicans.

[Swordsmyth]

^^^Look who thinks our elections should be open to fraud. ^^^

[PAF]

^^^Look who thinks our elections should be open to fraud. ^^^

Hey Mr. BIG Government Bootlicker, ever think of working the precinct yourself, the way that it was intended?

Here you go again twisting the true freedom advocates who are opposed to RealID.

Don't try to weasel your way out it, I see the quoted replies right there.

[Swordsmyth]

Hey Mr. BIG Government Bootlicker, ever think of working the precinct yourself, the way that it was intended?

Here you go again twisting the true freedom advocates who are opposed to RealID.

Don't try to weasel your way out it, I see the quoted replies right there.

This thread isn't about REALID no matter how much you and the other pro-illegals voting crowd try to claim it is.

[Stratovarious]

Hey Mr. BIG Government Bootlicker, ever think of working the precinct yourself, the way that it was intended?

Here you go again twisting the true freedom advocates who are opposed to RealID.

Don't try to weasel your way out it, I see the quoted replies right there.

Where the hll do you get off continuing to insult members and name call, are you paid well ?

''You must spread some Reputation around before negging the fk out of PAF again''

[PAF]

This thread isn't about REALID no matter how much you and the other pro-illegals voting crowd try to claim it is.

I suggested that you not try to weasel your way out of it but you failed anyway. Here, this might help, though I doubt it:



Gotta get that realid in there somehow.


All must be in the system.

Cuz' Messicans.


And don't CON me that TPTB/Lobbyists aren't thinking/considering/planning it, because I know otherwise.



“No debate on Election Security should go forward without...

[Swordsmyth]

I suggested that you not try to weasel your way out of it but you failed anyway. Here, this might help, though I doubt it:







And don't CON me that TPTB/Lobbyists aren't thinking/considering/planning it, because I know otherwise.

LOL
One troll quotes the other two as "proof" of his lies.

I posted the OP, nothing in the OP is about REALID.

[PAF]

Where the hll do you get off continuing to insult members and name call, are you paid well ?

''You must spread some Reputation around before negging the fk out of PAF again''

If a sidewalk is a sidewalk, is it an insult if I call it a sidewalk?

I just had some horrible hot-wings last night which really pissed me off. They weren't even crispy. The place I usually get them at is on vacation for the week. How are the hot-wings in your neck of the woods?

[PAF]

LOL
One troll quotes the other two as "proof" of his lies.

I posted the OP, nothing in the OP is about REALID.

How long did it take you to figure out that Trump is a NY Lib, set aside the bones that he threw here and there? Hell, I had him pegged before the election, and even provided an On the Record well before the primaries.

Trust me when I tell you, RealID is in the pipeline.

[Stratovarious]

If a sidewalk is a sidewalk, is it an insult if I call it a sidewalk?

I just had some horrible hot-wings last night which really pissed me off. They weren't even crispy. The place I usually get them at is on vacation for the week. How are the hot-wings in your neck of the woods?

I'm a Vegetarian, haven't harmed or exploited a sentient creature in over 25 years,
I live by conviction and conscience, you should try it.

[Swordsmyth]

How long did it take you to figure out that Trump is a NY Lib, set aside the bones that he threw here and there? Hell, I had him pegged before the election, and even provided an On the Record well before the primaries.

Trust me when I tell you, RealID is in the pipeline.
If it is then we can oppose it together.

But this is about voterID.

You and the other trolls trying to make it about REALID just shows you support voter fraud.

[PAF]

I'm a Vegetarian, haven't harmed or exploited a sentient creature in over 25 years,
I live by conviction and conscience, you should try it.

I am so darned principled in freedom, liberty and fiscal responsibility,, the conviction and conscience goes along with it ;-)

You should try reading on those principles instead of playing follow the statist leader. You two are hoot :tears:

Actually, for the most part during the week, I try to stay away from meats. Though I do treat myself to hot-wings during bike night and fish when dining on the weekend.

[Stratovarious]

I am so darned principled in freedom, liberty and fiscal responsibility,, the conviction and conscience goes along with it ;-)

You should try reading on those principles instead of playing follow the statist leader. You two are hoot :tears:
...




FO,


Why again, do you lock your doors .... :facepalm:

[PAF]

If it is then we can oppose it together.

But this is about voterID.

You and the other trolls trying to make it about REALID just shows you support voter fraud.

There you go again. NOBODY said a thing about supporting voter fraud.

[Anti Globalist]

I agree, but we need to get rid of the electronic ballot counters, and computer voting. They are too easily hacked to rig an election.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t75xvZ3osFg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEMzw1oAusg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fob-AGgZn44&list=PL-WSSHJsoVY12wE1B3XGGlFPsxPWVvXrF
True, but if we use paper ballots they'll just stuff the ballot boxes.

[PAF]

FO,


Why again, do you lock your doors .... :facepalm:

So that when people have the right to travel freely in public spaces, which I would never infringe upon, I can button up my Deeded Private Property to help circumvent any mischief. Of course, I know locked doors won't prevent it, but it will give me time to pull out my yadda yadda, if the need were ever to arise. And no, I do NOT want or need government goons to "help me save me please keep me safe!".

See how help I keep taxes down for you?

[Swordsmyth]

There you go again. NOBODY said a thing about supporting voter fraud.
Jumping into a thread about voterID to claim it should be opposed by claiming it is about REALID is supporting voter fraud.

[PAF]

True, but if we use paper ballots they'll just stuff the ballot boxes.

Worse yet, they won't even count entire counties, and keep the delegates far away from the floor during procedural, as they did down in Tampa.

[Swordsmyth]

True, but if we use paper ballots they'll just stuff the ballot boxes.
There are ways to try and deal with that.

Or we could go to public voting like a caucus and deal with the societal consequences.

[Swordsmyth]

So that when people have the right to travel freely in public spaces, which I would never infringe upon, I can button up my Deeded Private Property to help circumvent any mischief. Of course, I know locked doors won't prevent it, but it will give me time to pull out my yadda yadda, if the need were ever to arise. And no, I do NOT want or need government goons to "help me save me please keep me safe!".

See how help I keep taxes down for you?
You ensure a communist regime will take everything from us by supporting the communist invasion.

[Stratovarious]

True, but if we use paper ballots they'll just stuff the ballot boxes.
Not exactly, I've been advocating for years now, 3 copies;

Verifiable online;

Voter's
Precincts
Central Archive


I would also say fo to secret voting, that is how all the manipulation is allowed to thrive.


If there is real need to protect the voters, we will use existing laws.

We were all told as usual that they were protecting us by making it all secret, bl fkg sht, its always
for our own safety, its a lie, it was just to insure that the 'right' Banker etc Candidate wins......

[Swordsmyth]

Voter fraud is real:
Los Angeles county has a registration rate of 112% its adult population
The entire state of California has a registration rate of 101%
11 of 58 counties in CA have registration rates above 100%
Is this why California is solid Blue?
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— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) April 28, 2019 (https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1122563142314127360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

[donnay]

True, but if we use paper ballots they'll just stuff the ballot boxes.

I propose we set the voting up like we do the lottery. You get a ticket with a number on it that matches your ballot. The voting commission will put out a list in every town/city, in the local newspaper, with the vote tallies and the ticket numbers of all who voted. If your number doesn't pair up, exactly, to your vote, you have a number to call the secretary of state and complain. There also should be set up and voluntary independent group that you can call and complain to as well. So if many others call they can investigate it.

[Zippyjuan]

Voter fraud is real:
Los Angeles county has a registration rate of 112% its adult population
The entire state of California has a registration rate of 101%
11 of 58 counties in CA have registration rates above 100%
Is this why California is solid Blue?
��
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) April 28, 2019 (https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1122563142314127360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



Fake news. If somebody dies and they do not notify the registrar, they are still on the voter rolls. If there were 100 people registered and one dies, there are now 99 eligible voters and 100 registered. If I move from LA to Chicago and don't notify the LA registrar of voters, there are now 100 registered voters and 98 eligible voters. Out of date voter registrations. I am not going to fly back to LA and vote there after I vote in Chicago and the dead guy isn't going to be voting. Places with higher turnover (people moving in and out of the state) are more likely to have higher "voter registration rate" percentages. Also depends on how often they update their rolls.

But you need to be careful about updating voter rolls and don't remove people who are indeed still eligible to vote there.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/06/20/calif_begins_removing_5_million_inactive_voters_on _its_rolls__140602.html


Calif. Begins Removing 5 Million Inactive Voters on Its Rolls

Los Angeles County has started the process of removing from its registration rolls an estimated 1.5 million inactive voters who have moved, died or become ineligible to cast a ballot, an effort to comply with federal election law and a court settlement with Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog.

The county, the most populous in the United States, recently mailed notices to the inactive voters in an effort to verify their residency status and whether they are still alive. It’s the first time in 20 years that Los Angeles County has cleaned its voter rolls, having previously interpreted the federal law requiring it as not mandatory.




Inactive registrations, for the most part, occur when voters move to another country or state or pass away but remain on the rolls.


While Popper said he couldn't cite a specific example of voter fraud stemming from the inactive lists in California, he argued that letting voter-registration rolls remain messy and full of inactive registrations opens the door to fraud and undermines confidence in the integrity of the voting system.

[susano]

Hey Mr. BIG Government Bootlicker, ever think of working the precinct yourself, the way that it was intended?

Here you go again twisting the true freedom advocates who are opposed to RealID.

Don't try to weasel your way out it, I see the quoted replies right there.

How does voter ID equate to Real ID? Voter ID could easily be linked to a birth certificate or naturalization to insure the voter is a citizen.

I worked a precinct and guess what? You can't see jack because the ballots go into the machine and that's that. I watched as they were pulled from the machine and the boxes sealed but it's not like I got to ride along to the county facility where they went or got to actually verify anything. Without actual humans counting paper ballots, nothing is verifiable.

[susano]

Voter fraud is real:
Los Angeles county has a registration rate of 112% its adult population
The entire state of California has a registration rate of 101%
11 of 58 counties in CA have registration rates above 100%
Is this why California is solid Blue?
��
— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) April 28, 2019 (https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1122563142314127360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



Yep. That and that crooked vote harvesting BS which flipped every election in Orange country where a Republican won and should be illegal. Now we have motor voter all over so every state giving anyone with an address a DL gets registered to vote. There's also automatic mailing of absentee ballots, even if someone plans to vote in person. California is a corrupt communist sewer and the state of it's cities is a testament to commie rule - filthy plantations.

[TheCount]

How does voter ID equate to Real ID? Voter ID could easily be linked to a birth certificate or naturalization to insure the voter is a citizen.

That's what Real ID is. That's why you have to show proof of citizenship in order to get a Real ID. State ID + immigration status = Real ID


https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/real-id-act-text.pdf

(B) EVIDENCE OF LAWFUL STATUS- A State shall require, before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person, valid documentary evidence that the person--
(i) is a citizen or national of the United States;
(ii) is an alien lawfully admitted for permanent or temporary residence in the United States;
(iii) has conditional permanent resident status in the United States;
(iv) has an approved application for asylum in the United States or has entered into the United States in refugee status; (v) has a valid, unexpired nonimmigrant visa or nonimmigrant visa status for entry into the United States;
(vi) has a pending application for asylum in the United States;
(vii) has a pending or approved application for temporary protected status in the United States;
(viii) has approved deferred action status; or
(ix) has a pending application for adjustment of status to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States or conditional permanent resident status in the United States.

[Swordsmyth]

That's what Real ID is. That's why you have to show proof of citizenship in order to get a Real ID. State ID + immigration status = Real ID


https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/real-id-act-text.pdf
WRONG

REALID includes biometrics, that's what's bad about it.

[TheCount]

WRONG

REALID includes biometrics, that's what's bad about it.

There's a link to the Real ID act in my post. You quoted it.

Please show me where the biometrics are.

[Swordsmyth]

There's a link to the Real ID act in my post. You quoted it.

Please show me where the biometrics are.
Page 4:

(3) Subject each person applying for
a driver's license or identification
card to mandatory facial image capture.

[devil21]

LOL
One troll quotes the other two as "proof" of his lies.

I posted the OP, nothing in the OP is about REALID.

Of course it is. But I suppose you think it's coincidence that IDs now have a "NOT FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION" option and a "FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION" option (REALID) at the same time Trump is pushing for everyone to have an ID in order to participate in governance in any sort. For someone that claims to hate socialism so much, you sure do appear to love supporting every single step it takes to implement it.

Oh that's right, you support theocratic world government, which is socialist world government. Never mind.

[Swordsmyth]

Of course it is. But I suppose you think it's coincidence that IDs now have a "NOT FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION" option and a "FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION" option (REALID) at the same time Trump is pushing for everyone to have an ID in order to participate in governance in any sort. For someone that claims to hate socialism so much, you sure do appear to love supporting every single step it takes to implement it.

Oh that's right, you support theocratic world government, which is socialist world government. Never mind.
You are lying again, but since you follow the father of lies that's not surprising.
I oppose socialist world government.
It is obvious that you support it since you support the open borders and voter fraud that will impose it.

[devil21]

You are lying again, but since you follow the father of lies that's not surprising.
I oppose socialist world government.
It is obvious that you support it since you support the open borders and voter fraud that will impose it.

Perhaps you should have taken my advice and read what the leaders of your church are working toward and who they consider their god. I can assume that you are either 1)willfully ignorant of it or 2)intentionally being deceptive.

IDs are for slaves.

[susano]

That's what Real ID is. That's why you have to show proof of citizenship in order to get a Real ID. State ID + immigration status = Real ID


https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/real-id-act-text.pdf


Uh, no. Only #1 (i) fits the type of voter ID I referenced. It's been a long time since I dug into it but, as I recall, Real ID is about passports, employment and other things besides voting. Nobody should be voting who isn't a US citizen and those Real ID criteria pertain to all sort of non citizens.

[devil21]

Uh, no. Only #1 (i) fits the type of voter ID I referenced. It's been a long time since I dug into it but, as I recall, Real ID is about passports, employment and other things besides voting. Nobody should be voting who isn't a US citizen and those Real ID criteria pertain to all sort of non citizens.

You should update your knowledgebase. It applies to state issued IDs now. My SO just renewed her driver license and was given the option of whether to receive a standard license or a REALID federally compliant license. Eventually those state IDs will be phased out for a federal ID. Cuz' Messicans. All the stuff posted years ago about REALID is happening now...

[Swordsmyth]

Perhaps you should have taken my advice and read what the leaders of your church are working toward and who they consider their god. I can assume that you are either 1)willfully ignorant of it or 2)intentionally being deceptive.

IDs are for slaves.
IDs are for preventing fraud and I know far more about the beliefs of my church than you do.
You have been corrected about them too but you insist on lying about them because that is what you do.

[susano]

You should update your knowledgebase. It applies to state issued IDs now. My SO just renewed her driver license and was given the option of whether to receive a standard license or a REALID federally compliant license. Eventually those state IDs will be phased out for a federal ID. Cuz' Messicans. All the stuff posted years ago about REALID is happening now...

I'm aware of RID being tied to states DLs. It has nothing to do with tying voter registration to citizenship.

[devil21]

IDs are for preventing fraud and I know far more about the beliefs of my church than you do.
You have been corrected about them too but you insist on lying about them because that is what you do.

IDs are fraud, genius. They steal rights and offer privileges, under false pretenses, instead.

[Swordsmyth]

IDs are fraud, genius. They steal rights and offer privileges, under false pretenses, instead.
LOL

[devil21]

LOL

You push the progression toward the Mark of the Beast yet call me the follower of the father of lies. LOL indeed.

You are one confused little boy.

[Swordsmyth]

You push the progression toward the Mark of the Beast yet call me the follower of the father of lies. LOL indeed.

You are one confused little boy.
Voter ID is not progress towards the Mark of the Beast, you are lying again.

You support the globalist communist invasion and the voter fraud that would bring us under the growing Kingdom of the Beast.

[devil21]

Voter ID is not progress towards the Mark of the Beast, you are lying again.

You support the globalist communist invasion and the voter fraud that would bring us under the growing Kingdom of the Beast.

Weird, I'm pretty sure it was Republicans that committed fraud in the NC9 election that I'm currently working with the LP candidate on during this re-do election. Not a Messican in sight.

[Swordsmyth]

Weird, I'm pretty sure it was Republicans that committed fraud in the NC9 election that I'm currently working with the LP candidate on during this re-do election. Not a Messican in sight.
One person doing something doesn't prove others don't.
In fact it is evidence that makes it more likely that others do it too.
And plenty of Republicans are open borders scum so your deflection is laughable.

[TheCount]

Page 4:

(3) Subject each person applying for
a driver's license or identification
card to mandatory facial image capture.




It's called a picture. All pre-Real ID driver's licenses had them.

Do you oppose photo ID?

Will your mandatory votor ID have a picture on it or not?

[PAF]

How does voter ID equate to Real ID? Voter ID could easily be linked to a birth certificate or naturalization to insure the voter is a citizen.

I worked a precinct and guess what? You can't see jack because the ballots go into the machine and that's that. I watched as they were pulled from the machine and the boxes sealed but it's not like I got to ride along to the county facility where they went or got to actually verify anything. Without actual humans counting paper ballots, nothing is verifiable.


Precincts matter because it is closest to home. I do work the precincts every election. You get the know who the folks in your local community and what their general views are. "Exit Polling" helps a lot which I do a lot of, though it is their right if they wish not to share. Once that becomes the state or Fed's responsibility, well, we know what would happen.

I don't need biometrics, Real ID or other state/fed "solution". I know the folks in my locale for the most part. That +/- 1-3% margin of error, if it exists, does not warrant overlords coming into my neighborhood.

Coming from the top on down including this president, Real ID is another excuse to push responsibility onto somebody else, in this case the State/Fed. For those who truly believe in limited government, they need to get off of their own fannies and get to work, and work the system from the bottom-up, the way that it was intended.

[Superfluous Man]

This thread isn't about REALID no matter how much you and the other pro-illegals voting crowd try to claim it is.

Source?

[TheCount]

Uh, no. Only #1 (i) fits the type of voter ID I referenced. It's been a long time since I dug into it but, as I recall, Real ID is about passports, employment and other things besides voting.

Yes, real ID is about lots of things. One of them is validation of citizenship or immigration status. Because Mexicans, as devil21 put it.



Nobody should be voting who isn't a US citizen and those Real ID criteria pertain to all sort of non citizens.

I don't understand your point. By having people submit evidence of citizenship or immigration when they apply for an ID (which is what Real ID requires), the state is creating a record in a database which says whether that person can vote or not. If you want voter ID, you also have to do that. So you're either going to 1) use Real ID-compliant ID cards, or 2) create a second Real ID database with all of the same information in it, but call it Voter ID instead so that you feel better, even though it is exactly the same.


If that's not true, I'd love to hear how your theoretical voter ID is different from Real ID in anything besides name.

[invisible]

Make no mistake, this will somehow be used to further expand the big government police state. Preventing voter fraud is certainly a good thing. But it will come as no surprise if this ends up being nothing more than another trojan horse for "real id" (biometrics). In addition, states currently make their own laws concerning voter verification, so this would also be further undermining of the 10th Amendment.

[donnay]

Voter ID is not progress towards the Mark of the Beast, you are lying again.

You support the globalist communist invasion and the voter fraud that would bring us under the growing Kingdom of the Beast.

That's the speel that those who do not understand what the mark of the beast is. It has been used for a very long time to instill fear in people. The mark is allowing this fear to consume your mind. If you believe the malarky you are doing Satan's bidding.

Revelation 9:4 (KJV)

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

[devil21]

That's the speel that those who do not understand what the mark of the beast is. It has been used for a very long time to instill fear in people. The mark is allowing this fear to consume your mind. If you believe the malarky you are doing Satan's bidding.

Revelation 9:4 (KJV)

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

What then is the Mark of the Beast? Explain...

At the current trajectory, no one will be able to conduct commerce without an ID, which is exactly what is described as the Mark. No one shall buy or sell....
Tried to withdraw money or cash a check from a bank without an ID? Get a credit card or loan? Go to a bar? Wasn't it Trump himself that said people needed ID just to buy groceries about a year ago? With cashless society being pushed to remove private and anonymous commerce and a fully trackable and ID-tied method installed instead (cryptocurrency), how can anyone NOT claim that ID is precisely a representation of the Mark? Heck, even the credit card slip has the "X" next to where you sign (sin) and the X is called the Mark in religious parlance.

[PAF]

What then is the Mark of the Beast? Explain...

At the current trajectory, no one will be able to conduct commerce without an ID, which is exactly what is described as the Mark. No one shall buy or sell....
Tried to withdraw money or cash a check from a bank without an ID? Get a credit card or loan? Go to a bar? Wasn't it Trump himself that said people needed ID just to buy groceries about a year ago? With cashless society being pushed to remove private and anonymous commerce and a fully trackable and ID-tied method installed instead (cryptocurrency), how can anyone NOT claim that ID is precisely a representation of the Mark? Heck, even the credit card slip has the "X" next to where you sign (sin) and the X is called the Mark in religious parlance.

+ Rep

Those who don’t understand what liberty is can’t/won’t miss it.

[devil21]

+ Rep

Those who don’t understand what liberty is can’t/won’t miss it.

I think it's more specifically a case of people relying too much on their "leaders" (religious figures, politicians, etc) to "explain" everything to them and never bothering to do any truth-finding and critical-thinking on their own.

Also consider how I stated in this thread that IDs are in and of themselves a form of fraud since you are lying by 1)representing yourself as someone you are not, thus unwittingly sinning by bearing false witness and 2)unwittingly representing yourself as a thing (ties into my posts on the License thread) instead of a divine creation. Religious people don't have a clue what they're actually being lead into by their "leaders". Never mind that fraud is also being committed against them by getting them to accept IDs under false pretenses. That's actually minor by comparison to the big picture.

[donnay]

What then is the Mark of the Beast? Explain...

At the current trajectory, no one will be able to conduct commerce without an ID, which is exactly what is described as the Mark. No one shall buy or sell....
Tried to withdraw money or cash a check from a bank without an ID? Get a credit card or loan? Go to a bar? Wasn't it Trump himself that said people needed ID just to buy groceries about a year ago? With cashless society being pushed to remove private and anonymous commerce and a fully trackable and ID-tied method installed instead (cryptocurrency), how can anyone NOT claim that ID is precisely a representation of the Mark? Heck, even the credit card slip has the "X" next to where you sign (sin) and the X is called the Mark in religious parlance.

You have to be smarter than the serpent... You need to be a watchmen and discern--there are triumphs, vials, and seals foretold throughout the word in the Bible. The Mark is doing the work of Satan--which is when he will appear on earth--the 6th trump, the 6th vial and the the 6th seal. Christians (who know and understand God's word) should be paying attention and know to stock up on things like food, water, precious metals--things that can be used to barter). This will be for a short period, five months (Matthew 24:22 - Revelation 9:5).

The Mark in their heads (what is in your brain, knowledge and wisdom) and in their right hand, they are doing the work of Satan because they are not familiar enough to know the time we are in. It is symbolic, it is not a physical Mark.

Just as Jesus sits at the right hand of God (58 Bible verses discussing the right hand (https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Right-Hand-Of-God))-- those who use their right hand for the wicked is working for Satan and doing his work.

The only liberty we have is through the Spirit of the Lord. No man can give us liberty.

2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV)
"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

Mark 13:23
“But take ye heed: behold, I [God] have foretold you all things.”

[brushfire]

...and what else might come of this voter id? What other creative use might we find this "length of rope" tied to?


http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/an4f5ec681.jpg

[Zippyjuan]

Voter ID is not progress towards the Mark of the Beast, you are lying again.

You support the globalist communist invasion and the voter fraud that would bring us under the growing Kingdom of the Beast.

It is about better tracking everybody. It is being done under the guise of claiming we need to be able to tell "us" from "them"- whoever "they" are.

[donnay]

It is about better tracking everybody. It is being done under the guise of claiming we need to be able to tell "us" from "them"- whoever "they" are.

They are the ones that are not citizens in this country but have been given all the comforts that a citizen who works hard gets.

[Zippyjuan]

They are the ones that are not citizens in this country but have been given all the comforts that a citizen who works hard gets.

So you favor the government tracking everybody.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLPe7XjdKc&t=4s

[donnay]

So you favor the government tracking everybody.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLPe7XjdKc&t=4s


No not at all. A system can be set up without having to use a data base to check if someone is a citizen. Everyone can bring their birth certificate to prove you are a citizen.

If only citizens were allowed to buy property in the USA then you could bring your deed to your property for proof. But we know how the system has encouraged foreigners to buy property here--so that wouldn't work now, would it?

[Zippyjuan]

No not at all. A system can be set up without having to use a data base to check if someone is a citizen. Everyone can bring their birth certificate to prove you are a citizen.

If only citizens were allowed to by property in the USA then you could bring your deed to your property for proof. But we know how the system has encouraged foreigners to buy property here--so that wouldn't work now, would it?

A property deed is not proof of citizenship. And what about people who rent?

[donnay]

A property deed is not proof of citizenship. And what about people who rent?

Zippy re-read what I wrote. :rolleyes:

[Swordsmyth]

It's called a picture. All pre-Real ID driver's licenses had them.

Do you oppose photo ID?

Will your mandatory votor ID have a picture on it or not?
LOL

"Facial Image Capture" is biometrics, they don't need a new term for a plain old picture.

This new strategy of blatant lies isn't doing you trolls any good.

[Swordsmyth]

...and what else might come of this voter id? What other creative use might we find this "length of rope" tied to?


http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/an4f5ec681.jpg

Much worse things are coming from voter fraud.

[Swordsmyth]

It is about better tracking everybody. It is being done under the guise of claiming we need to be able to tell "us" from "them"- whoever "they" are.
Which is appropriate and necessary for voting.