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Swordsmyth
08-11-2019, 09:20 PM
A collision at sea that claimed the lives of 10 sailors has led to the Navy deciding to replace an unpopular touchscreen interface (https://news.usni.org/2019/08/09/navy-reverting-ddgs-back-to-physical-throttles-after-fleet-rejects-touchscreen-controls) in some ships with more traditional mechanical controls. “Just because you can doesn’t mean you should,” a Navy official said of the outgoing technology.
The crash in question involved the U.S.S. John S. McCain and an oil tanker in August of 2017. The sailors at the helm lost control of the ship and put it in the path of the tanker, resulting in the collision that killed 10 and injured 58 more.
A National Transportation Safety Board investigation was issued recently and found that essentially, the sailors didn’t know how to control the ship properly due to a lack of proper training and documentation. The Northrop-Grumman designed “integrated bridge and navigation system,” or IBNS, is a pair of touchscreens that incorporate a number of functions — not so different from the dash touchscreen in a new car taking over the temperature and radio knobs and buttons. (To be clear, the top image doesn’t show the exact system, but one like it)
https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/bridge_helm.png
But the complexity of the system led to one sailor thinking he was controlling the ships entire throttle, while only in fact controlling one side. This led to the John S. McCain making a sharp turn directly into the path of the oncoming tanker.
“Their misunderstandings expressed during the post-accident interviews and the misunderstandings of other crewmembers who were permanently assigned to the John S McCain point to a more fundamental issue with the qualification process and training with the IBNS,” concluded the report.
Turns out no one really knew how these systems, which were installed only a year ago, really worked, and in a crisis situation were unable to quickly perform the maneuvers necessary. So the Navy is pulling the systems out of the destroyers they have been installed in.

More at: https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/11/navy-ditches-touchscreens-for-knobs-and-dials-after-fatal-crash/
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UWDude
08-11-2019, 09:52 PM
A collision at sea that claimed the lives of 10 sailors has led to the Navy deciding to replace an unpopular touchscreen interface (https://news.usni.org/2019/08/09/navy-reverting-ddgs-back-to-physical-throttles-after-fleet-rejects-touchscreen-controls) in some ships with more traditional mechanical controls. “Just because you can doesn’t mean you should,” a Navy official said of the outgoing technology.
The crash in question involved the U.S.S. John S. McCain and an oil tanker in August of 2017. The sailors at the helm lost control of the ship and put it in the path of the tanker, resulting in the collision that killed 10 and injured 58 more.
A National Transportation Safety Board investigation was issued recently and found that essentially, the sailors didn’t know how to control the ship properly due to a lack of proper training and documentation. The Northrop-Grumman designed “integrated bridge and navigation system,” or IBNS, is a pair of touchscreens that incorporate a number of functions — not so different from the dash touchscreen in a new car taking over the temperature and radio knobs and buttons. (To be clear, the top image doesn’t show the exact system, but one like it)
https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/bridge_helm.png
But the complexity of the system led to one sailor thinking he was controlling the ships entire throttle, while only in fact controlling one side. This led to the John S. McCain making a sharp turn directly into the path of the oncoming tanker.
“Their misunderstandings expressed during the post-accident interviews and the misunderstandings of other crewmembers who were permanently assigned to the John S McCain point to a more fundamental issue with the qualification process and training with the IBNS,” concluded the report.
Turns out no one really knew how these systems, which were installed only a year ago, really worked, and in a crisis situation were unable to quickly perform the maneuvers necessary. So the Navy is pulling the systems out of the destroyers they have been installed in.

More at: https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/11/navy-ditches-touchscreens-for-knobs-and-dials-after-fatal-crash/
@Anti Federalist (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=3169)

Jesus, they were using touchscreens? What kind of idiocy is that? Would you rather fix a broken touchscreen or a broken actuator?

God these people are stupid. Guess that is what you get when you go to war for 30 years all over the world, and the people smart enough to see through your BS refuse to participate in the building and running of your war machine.

Swordsmyth
08-11-2019, 09:55 PM
Jesus, they were using touchscreens? What kind of idiocy is that? Would you rather fix a broken touchscreen or a broken actuator?

God these people are stupid. Guess that is what you get when you go to war for 30 years all over the world, and the people smart enough to see through your BS refuse to participate in the building and running of your war machine.
Why change at all?
It's not like ships are going to derive ANY benefit from touchscreens.

Anti Federalist
08-11-2019, 11:05 PM
GOOD!

I had to fight this battle a couple of times.

NO critical systems should be touchscreen actuated.

CoastieInColorado
08-12-2019, 02:53 PM
Wow. Our control center on our Coast Guard ship was all hydraulics and potentiometers and bells, built in the early 80's.

Real fun is switching to ECC (egineering control center) fro the engines, and manual control in aft steering and answering bells in the engine room like on an old movie whilst pulling into Key West because the bridge lost all control. We couldn't see, we just had to obey whatever command was ordered. We did it without incident, but it was scary as hell, especially when the "bell" is suddenly asking for All back 10's(max speed), which means we're about to crash into something lol.

I couldn't imagine that happening on a touch screen, someone freaking out ans accidentally backing out of that screen onto another one with the wrong controls-holy shit.

brushfire
08-12-2019, 03:48 PM
I'm a fan of glass cockpits with backup controls. Simplification and versatility (making incremental improvements and customization easier, and therefore more likely)

It would be interesting to know the details behind abandoning touch screen interfaces. My guess is that its the failed execution that government is known for.

Brian4Liberty
08-12-2019, 05:09 PM
“Their misunderstandings expressed during the post-accident interviews and the misunderstandings of other crewmembers who were permanently assigned to the John S McCain point to a more fundamental issue with the qualification process and training with the IBNS,” concluded the report.

Turns out no one really knew how these systems, which were installed only a year ago, really worked, and in a crisis situation were unable to quickly perform the maneuvers necessary.

SNAFU. The difference between this and a million other computer systems is that when there is an error here, it really crashes.

Perhaps they need some teenagers in there to show them how to operate the screens...