Meet Con Artist Andrew Yang and his Freedom Dividend

[johnwk]

See Andrew’s Story (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/)

Con artist Yang tells us how new technologies have “destroyed more than 4 million US jobs”. Con artist Yang is counting on the American people being too stupid to know that millions of new jobs are actually created when new technologies are introduced.

Con artists Yang also wants to use the force of government taxation to implement what he calls the “Freedom Dividend”, a universal basic income (UBI) for every American adult over the age of 18: “$1,000 a month, no strings attached.” [NOTE; America’s population above 18 is approximately 209 million.].

Con artist Yang proposes a new tax on those evil companies “benefiting most from automation”, to finance his UBI. But this is nothing more than a calculated gimmick ___ the old and tired attack on the wealth ___ a rope-a-dope scheme which blatantly promises to abuse the power of federal taxation, using it to buy votes at $1,000 a month for each vote, or about $ 2.5 TRILLION a year rise in federal taxation to buy his votes, which would dwarf the annual federal pay out for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid

And this Con Artist is still in the race and qualifies to be in the next debate? Could con artist Yang be right, and that a majority of the American people are actually as stupid as Yang believes they are?

JWK

They are not "liberals" or "progressives". The Democrat Party Leadership is infested with communists and socialists who delude, lure and addict our nations needy with free government cheese.

[jmdrake]

See Andrew’s Story (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/)

Con artist Yang tells us how new technologies have “destroyed more than 4 million US jobs”. Con artist Yang is counting on the American people being too stupid to know that millions of new jobs are actually created when new technologies are introduced.

Con artists Yang also wants to use the force of government taxation to implement what he calls the “Freedom Dividend”, a universal basic income (UBI) for every American adult over the age of 18: “$1,000 a month, no strings attached.” [NOTE; America’s population above 18 is approximately 209 million.].

Con artist Yang proposes a new tax on those evil companies “benefiting most from automation”, to finance his UBI. But this is nothing more than a calculated gimmick ___ the old and tired attack on the wealth ___ a rope-a-dope scheme which blatantly promises to abuse the power of federal taxation, using it to buy votes at $1,000 a month for each vote, or about $ 2.5 TRILLION a year rise in federal taxation to buy his votes, which would dwarf the annual federal pay out for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid

And this Con Artist is still in the race and qualifies to be in the next debate? Could con artist Yang be right, and that a majority of the American people are actually as stupid as Yang believes they are?

JWK

They are not "liberals" or "progressives". The Democrat Party Leadership is infested with communists and socialists who delude, lure and addict our nations needy with free government cheese.

Apparently some on the "alt right" are going for Yang too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q6sDKvwdO0&t=348s

[RJB]

Apparently some on the "alt right" are going for Yang too.
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Everyone can unite under the banner of free money.

[RJB]

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[Anti Globalist]

I would never in a million years vote for Yang.

[johnwk]

I would never in a million years vote for Yang.

To be accurate, automation does “kill” certain jobs, but automation also creates jobs. I know first hand how automation actually creates new jobs. I used to deliver ice to people with ice boxes when I was about 12 years old. Eventually refrigerators eliminated this job for countless youths in New York City. The good news was, later in life I learned refrigeration and air-conditioning repair, and earned far more money repairing refrigeration equipment than I ever could earn delivering ice.

Yang is a con artist, and looking to buy votes with federal tax revenue as are the rest of the democrats running for office. His immigrant parents should be ashamed of him.


JWK


In every oppressive country like communist China, socialist Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc., the people are disarmed and suffer the loss of inalienable rights under an iron fisted government which live large on the people’s labor. Forewarned is forearmed.

[jmdrake]

To be accurate, automation does “kill” certain jobs, but automation also creates jobs. I know first hand how automation actually creates new jobs. I used to deliver ice to people with ice boxes when I was about 12 years old. Eventually refrigerators eliminated this job for countless youths in New York City. The good news was, later in life I learned refrigeration and air-conditioning repair, and earned far more money repairing refrigeration equipment than I ever could earn delivering ice.

Yang is a con artist, and looking to buy votes with federal tax revenue as are the rest of the democrats running for office. His immigrant parents should be ashamed of him.


JWK


In every oppressive country like communist China, socialist Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc., the people are disarmed and suffer the loss of inalienable rights under an iron fisted government which live large on the people’s labor. Forewarned is forearmed.

It is possible that we will someday reach the place in AI where even human "repairmen" are not needed.

https://www.wired.com/2000/04/joy-2/

[jmdrake]

Everyone can unite under the banner of free money.

Freedom is Freebies are popular.

[Anti Federalist]

The coming technological nightmare that is right around the corner is very real and a grave danger.

Meatsack stipends are not the answer.

[Pauls' Revere]

Everyone can unite under the banner of free money.

^^ this

[oyarde]

Everyone can unite under the banner of free money.

Ya , I 've already been spending jmdrakes and Dankes freedom dividends on draft beers , 100 proof bourbon and ammo .

[UWDude]

I think the funniest thing about Yang would be, after 8 years as president, nobody would have received any UBI check.
It just would never even happen.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

An income floor is a far superior alternative to the current bureaucratic welfare state. We should have switched over to a negative income tax as Milton Friedman prescribed in the 1970s, when federal welfare was still relatively restrained.

Also, to point at past patterns of what automation does to jobs is not actually engaging with the arguments that are actually, currently being made. Andrew Yang is not a socialist, SJW or conman, whatever else you think about his policies.

[Brian4Liberty]

Is there anyone in the Democrat primary that is not a con artist? Start with Bernie the Clown.

“Free candy! Climb into the back of the van you naive children.”

[Brian4Liberty]

An income floor is a far superior alternative to the current bureaucratic welfare state. We should have switched over to a negative income tax as Milton Friedman prescribed in the 1970s, when federal welfare was still relatively restrained.

Also, to point at past patterns of what automation does to jobs is not actually engaging with the arguments that are actually, currently being made. Andrew Yang is not a socialist, SJW or conman, whatever else you think about his policies.

So do you like UBI or minimum wage? And if there is UBI, does it make minimum wage absolute, as no one would work for less than the sum total of all of their free benefits?

Not that some people would work for any amount less than 4x what they can get by doing nothing. It’s not an equivalent comparison. At the exact same rate, anyone would rather not work if paid for that. Even a slight increase in work pay would not outweigh the benefit of doing nothing vs. working.

[TheTexan]

$1000 a month is a good start but $3000 a month would be much more reasonable.

[Cleaner44]

$1000 a month is a good start but $3000 a month would be much more reasonable.

Also a free gun each quarter, it is a right after all.

[Swordsmyth]

Also a free gun each quarter, it is a right after all.

The Constitution say Congress is supposed to arm the militia and the Dick act says all adult males are the unorganized militia.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

So do you like UBI or minimum wage? And if there is UBI, does it make minimum wage absolute, as no one would work for less than the sum total of all of their free benefits?

Not that some people would work for any amount less than 4x what they can get by doing nothing. It’s not an equivalent comparison. At the exact same rate, anyone would rather not work if paid for that. Even a slight increase in work pay would not outweigh the benefit of doing nothing vs. working.
There should be a system where nobody makes zero dollars a year, but companies shouldn't be forced to pay for labor above the market rate, ideally.

The way the welfare system works now is that money is taken away from people who get a job or a raise while on welfare, which creates perverse incentives. UBI wouldn't have that problem. Getting a new job or getting a promotion would always mean making more money on net, unlike today.

There would be people who would do nothing and just collect a check, but that's true today too. Welfare isn't going anywhere, so we might as well try to make the best welfare system we can. I think a negative income tax qualifies.

[Danke]

Ya , I 've already been spending jmdrakes and Dankes freedom dividends on draft beers , 100 proof bourbon and ammo .

When you get a moment, my lawn needs mowing again.

[VIDEODROME]

Does this sum up a concern and whether instead of fearing automation like luddites, we can figure out a way for Robots / AI to work for humanity? Isn't this why we keep advancing technology anyway?




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYRQROgVAAA7_pw.jpg

[Brian4Liberty]

Andrew Yang sobbed in front of a crowd yesterday. This is kind of a requirement in the Democrat Party. It is the Party of emotion, not logic. During Democrat debates, the majority of candidates are emotional and on the verge of tears one minute, in a fit of rage the next. Emotional hysteria.

[Brian4Liberty]

There should be a system where nobody makes zero dollars a year, but companies shouldn't be forced to pay for labor above the market rate, ideally.

The way the welfare system works now is that money is taken away from people who get a job or a raise while on welfare, which creates perverse incentives. UBI wouldn't have that problem. Getting a new job or getting a promotion would always mean making more money on net, unlike today.

There would be people who would do nothing and just collect a check, but that's true today too. Welfare isn't going anywhere, so we might as well try to make the best welfare system we can. I think a negative income tax qualifies.

Nice theory. Now it’s time for real world problems:

- How do you pay for it? Are cuts going to be made?
- Who gets this money? Non-citizens? Anyone? Recent immigrants? People who no longer reside in the US? Global?
- How do you prevent fraud?
- Inflation. How much will it create?

In the real world, all of those things will be unsolvable.

[Pauls' Revere]

$1000 a month is a good start but $3000 a month would be much more reasonable.

LOL and three times the freedom!

[Pauls' Revere]

Does this sum up a concern and whether instead of fearing automation like luddites, we can figure out a way for Robots / AI to work for humanity? Isn't this why we keep advancing technology anyway?




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYRQROgVAAA7_pw.jpg


I think that intent was probably true. I think a good measure of that is that is to see how the middle class has been destroyed where once more people enjoyed the fruits of their labors. Not so much nowadays.


Another thought: Are machines the new middle class?

[oyarde]

When you get a moment, my lawn needs mowing again.

I am going to need to sub contract that out as I am too busy . Do you have a preference of Somalis , Mexicans , taxpayer , non taxpayer , illegal , overstayed visa , canadian , no distemper shot , labor party , heathen , Catholic , Sunni or Shiite ? There is a vast array of choices in your city.

[Danke]

Andrew Yang sobbed in front of a crowd yesterday. This is kind of a requirement in the Democrat Party. It is the Party of emotion, not logic. During Democrat debates, the majority of candidates are emotional and on the verge of tears one minute, in a fit of rage the next. Emotional hysteria.

Andrew Yang Brought To Tears By Mother's Question On Gun Violence

https://s2.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/Mzl1DnwPG2LrP8byjyFTcw--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3E9NzU7dz02NDA7c209MTtpbD1wbGFuZQ--/https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5d5010a32400004a4c937ea0.jpg

[johnwk]

Andrew Yang is not a socialist, SJW or conman, whatever else you think about his policies.

He is either a con artist or dumb as a rock. His Freedom Dividend would cost about $ 2.5 TRILLION a year and would dwarf the annual federal pay out for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid COMBINED.

He needs to take an elementary school math class.

JWK

They are not "liberals" or "progressives". The Democrat Party Leadership is infested with communists and socialists who delude, lure and addict our nations needy with free government cheese.

[johnwk]

Is there anyone in the Democrat primary that is not a con artist? Start with Bernie the Clown.

“Free candy! Climb into the back of the van you naive children.”


I can't believe how stupid some Americans have become.

JWK


Socialist democrats running for office will promise food on the table, free public housing, health care for all, guaranteed income, free college tuition, and other niceties by taxing the so called rich; and if by chance they ever do gain political power because of such promises made, their socialist iron-fisted dependency will enslave the very fools who elected them.

[Anti Federalist]

Andrew Yang sobbed in front of a crowd yesterday. This is kind of a requirement in the Democrat Party. It is the Party of emotion, not logic. During Democrat debates, the majority of candidates are emotional and on the verge of tears one minute, in a fit of rage the next. Emotional hysteria.

The Woemen Party.

[Brian4Liberty]

The Woemen Party.

Or in Myers-Briggs terms, the “Feeling” Party (as opposed to “Thinking”). Based on Myers-Briggs statistics, that would make it 75% female, 25% male.


More:

Thinking VS Feeling

When it comes to thinking and feeling we need to first replace these words with something more accurate: T = things, F = people. Thinkers are into things while feelers are into people. This is probably one of the most obvious differences between men and women. And the data completely supports it.

Men are much more into things like cars, engines, mechanical stuff, technological stuff and so on. Men like this kind of stuff. Women are more into people. Women would rather spend time with people than spend time working on a car. Women would rather spend time trying to organize some type of business built around helping people or even animals. Men would rather spend time trying to organize some type of business built around building something. The end result of Ts usually deals with some-thing while the end result of Fs generally deals with some-body.
...
More: https://www.slayerment.com/mbti-gender


While gender proves to play little role in most of the breakdown, there was a significant difference in the T vs F role, where 75% of all female responders were “feelers”.
...
http://hereverycentcounts.com/2012/05/myers-briggs-types-gender-and-leadership-potential.html

[Brian4Liberty]

The good news for Andrew Yang is that he is now qualified to be in the next Democrat debate.

That leaves Tulsi Gabbard and Julian Castro as the only candidates that qualify based on number of donors, but not enough in the “polls”. They will try to get Castro in there. No one could have predicted that the cut-off would land right on Tulsi Gabbard. :rolleyes:

[VIDEODROME]

Andrew Yang Brought To Tears By Mother's Question On Gun Violence

https://s2.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/Mzl1DnwPG2LrP8byjyFTcw--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3E9NzU7dz02NDA7c209MTtpbD1wbGFuZQ--/https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5d5010a32400004a4c937ea0.jpg



I kind of like Yang, but this is not cool.

I think he could have a place in someone else's administration.

[eleganz]

Bets on how quickly 1000/mo "freedom dividend" would be considered unlivable welfare and demand higher minimums? Stupid Yang\


But like it or not, Yang is the Ron Paul (or Bernie) of 2020. The guy came out of nowhere and has a ton of online support (from idiots).

[TheTexan]

Bets on how quickly 1000/mo "freedom dividend" would be considered unlivable welfare and demand higher minimums? Stupid Yang

It really needs to be at least $5000/month to deserve the name "Freedom dividend". Freedom means something in this country, damnit!

[kahless]

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/value-added-tax/
As President, I will…

Implement a Value-Added Tax at 10%, half the European level. Over time, the VAT will become more and more important to capture the value generated by automation in a way that income taxes would not.
This VAT would vary based on the good to which it’s applied, with staples having a lower rate or being excluded, and luxury goods having a higher rate.
Use the VAT revenue to pay for the Freedom Dividend of $1,000/month per adult, Universal Basic Income.


Yikes.

[Krugminator2]

So do you like UBI or minimum wage? And if there is UBI, does it make minimum wage absolute, as no one would work for less than the sum total of all of their free benefits?



I think a lot of proposals would eliminate the minimum wage under UBI.

The biggest problem I have with UBI is that it presupposes people would actually use it rationally. If you eliminating the welfare state and had UBI, you would still have a huge swath of people who wouldn't buy health insurance or housing and instead spend it on crack and then some politician would propose more welfare for them. Also the dollar amount of UBI will constantly be raised.

In theory UBI is cheaper than the current welfare state. Charles Murray talks about all the money that will be saved. In practice, it will probably be never ending.

[Krugminator2]

Does this sum up a concern and whether instead of fearing automation like luddites, we can figure out a way for Robots / AI to work for humanity? Isn't this why we keep advancing technology anyway?



Stephen Hawking was an economically illiterate buffoon.

https://mises.org/wire/why-robots-wont-cause-mass-unemploymen (https://mises.org/wire/why-robots-wont-cause-mass-unemployment)

[oyarde]

The good news for Andrew Yang is that he is now qualified to be in the next Democrat debate.

That leaves Tulsi Gabbard and Julian Castro as the only candidates that qualify based on number of donors, but not enough in the “polls”. They will try to get Castro in there. No one could have predicted that the cut-off would land right on Tulsi Gabbard. :rolleyes:

She has not been polling at enough for quite awhile . As I predicted.

[oyarde]

I think a lot of proposals would eliminate the minimum wage under UBI.

The biggest problem I have with UBI is that it presupposes people would actually use it rationally. If you eliminating the welfare state and had UBI, you would still have a huge swath of people who wouldn't buy health insurance or housing and instead spend it on crack and then some politician would propose more welfare for them. Also the dollar amount of UBI will constantly be raised.

In theory UBI is cheaper than the current welfare state. Charles Murray talks about all the money that will be saved. In practice, it will probably be never ending.

Ya , real savings in the future is laughable.

[oyarde]

Yikes.

Yes , this guy is insane .

[AngryCanadian]

$1.000 No strings attached? i would probably assume the actually amount of that would be less then 1k probably 200 to 300 per month.
Per Family/Person.

You have to do the math to see where i am going with this.

[eleganz]

$1.000 No strings attached? i would probably assume the actually amount of that would be less then 1k probably 200 to 300 per month.
Per Family/Person.

You have to do the math to see where i am going with this.


There.

Is.

No.

Math.

Involved.

With.

UBI.

[johnwk]

Yang, who also supports a pathway to citizenship for illegal entrants, uses the bait and switch con artist’s game when it comes to dealing with illegal entrants who are here. He States:

"Outside of increasing our guest worker program and making sure that those who receive temporary permission to come to the US to work leave when their time is up, we also need to find ways to address this massive community of undocumented immigrants who entered the country illegally.

Rounding up and deporting that many people is a nonstarter—it would be prohibitively expensive, disruptive, and inhumane to many communities, so a pathway to citizenship must be provided (after securing our southern border, so that we don’t end up right back where we started)."

No one I know has suggested “rounding up and deporting” illegal entrants. What is proposed by concerned Americans are various measures which would encourage illegal entrants to self deport:

Step up the prosecution of business owners who hire illegal entrants and pay them off the books, and below the going wage, in order to increase profits.

Encourage employers to use e-verify when hiring

Deny illegal entrants any tax payer financed medical/dental care (excepting life death situations.

Deny the children of illegal entrants access to a State’s public school system and all public assistance programs, i.e., deny them any privileges created by a state for its citizens;

Forbid state issued drivers licenses or other forms of identification to illegal entrants;

Direct the appropriate federal government agencies to identify aliens who have overstayed their visa and prioritized their expulsion from our country whenever their name comes up when applying for a driver’s license, stopped for a traffic infraction or other crime, etc.;

Enforce public housing laws which make it a crime for illegal entrants to live in any public housing unit or section eight housing, and evict American citizens from their public housing for harboring an illegal entrant.

Cut off all federal funds to sanctuary cities, especially New York and California.

And making it a point of law to never allow a person who has entered our country illegally, or is here illegally and caught, to re-enter our country legally in the future __ giving existing illegal entrants a two month period to leave our country on their own before implementing this rule.


Instead of proposing remedies to rid our country of illegal entrants, especially the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled and disease carrying illegal entrants, Andrew Yang has confirmed he welcomes them with a path to citizenship.

JWKThere is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.

[TheTexan]

Yikes.

But a 10% VAT is only half the European level!

That's 50% savings!

[oyarde]

But a 10% VAT is only half the European level!

That's 50% savings!

OR just ten percent more than I pay now.

[Brian4Liberty]

The good news for Andrew Yang is that he is now qualified to be in the next Democrat debate.

That leaves Tulsi Gabbard and Julian Castro as the only candidates that qualify based on number of donors, but not enough in the “polls”. They will try to get Castro in there. No one could have predicted that the cut-off would land right on Tulsi Gabbard. :rolleyes:

And today they announced that Julian Castro will be in the debate. That leaves Tulsi Gabbard as the only one who qualify based on donors that is not invited. Who could have predicted?

[Republicanguy]

See Andrew’s Story (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/)

Con artist Yang tells us how new technologies have “destroyed more than 4 million US jobs”. Con artist Yang is counting on the American people being too stupid to know that millions of new jobs are actually created when new technologies are introduced.

Con artists Yang also wants to use the force of government taxation to implement what he calls the “Freedom Dividend”, a universal basic income (UBI) for every American adult over the age of 18: “$1,000 a month, no strings attached.” [NOTE; America’s population above 18 is approximately 209 million.].

Con artist Yang proposes a new tax on those evil companies “benefiting most from automation”, to finance his UBI. But this is nothing more than a calculated gimmick ___ the old and tired attack on the wealth ___ a rope-a-dope scheme which blatantly promises to abuse the power of federal taxation, using it to buy votes at $1,000 a month for each vote, or about $ 2.5 TRILLION a year rise in federal taxation to buy his votes, which would dwarf the annual federal pay out for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid

And this Con Artist is still in the race and qualifies to be in the next debate? Could con artist Yang be right, and that a majority of the American people are actually as stupid as Yang believes they are?

JWK

They are not "liberals" or "progressives". The Democrat Party Leadership is infested with communists and socialists who delude, lure and addict our nations needy with free government cheese.

No he is correct, only qualified employment is the result of new employment, not like it was decades ago. So many people can't grasp what he expresses, Americans generally have really shit, miserable lives, they don't want better for anyone, they only see their own resentment.