Mitch McConnell: ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban ‘Front and Center’ in Senate

[Origanalist]

https://media.breitbart.com/media/2019/08/majority-leader-mitch-mcconnell-6419-ch-getty-640x480.jpg

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) indicated an “assault weapons” ban and other gun controls would be “front and center” when the Senate reconvenes in September.
The Courier-Journal reports that McConnell was a guest on the Louisville, KY, Terry Meiners Show where he said, “What we can’t do is fail to pass something,” adding, “The urgency of this is not lost on any of us.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/08/mitch-mcconnell-assault-weapons-ban-front-and-center-in-senate/

[Brian4Liberty]

“What we can’t do is fail to pass something,” adding, “The urgency of this is not lost on any of us.”

No Turtle, you can fail to pass something. And there is no urgency.

This “do something, even if it doesn’t work or is unconstitutional” mentality has to go.

[Occam's Banana]

“What we can’t do is fail to pass something,” adding, “The urgency of this is not lost on any of us.”

No Turtle, you can fail to pass something. And there is no urgency.

This “do something, even if it doesn’t work or is unconstitutional” mentality has to go.

Lawmakers gonna make laws. It's what they do. That is, after all, the entire reason for their existence in the first place.

Legislatures and liberty cannot coexist. Inevitably, the latter will increasingly yield to the former.

[Swordsmyth]

Lawmakers gonna make laws. It's what they do. That is, after all, the entire reason for their existence in the first place.

Legislatures and liberty cannot coexist. Inevitably, the latter will increasingly yield to the former.
And yet anarchy always gives way to government.

We are doomed to the cycle and all we can do is try to lengthen the good parts and shorten the bad parts.

[fedupinmo]

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[Occam's Banana]

And yet anarchy always gives way to government.

We are doomed to the cycle and all we can do is try to lengthen the good parts and shorten the bad parts.

:confused: Anarchy hasn't got anything to do with it. If, as you say, anarchy always gives way to government, and if a government to which anarchy has given way institutes a legislature, then any liberty extant under that government is surely doomed (and sooner than it otherwise might have been).

A minarchic society that burdens itself with a legislature (a group of people whose express and continuing purpose is to create new and more rules - i.e., to legislate) will not and cannot remain minarchic. Such a state does not fluctuate in "cycles" around liberty, but maintains a persistent trajectory away from it. It may move along that trajectory with more or less velocity at any given time, and there may even be brief spasms of retrograde; but it always, on net, moves away ...

[Swordsmyth]

:confused: Anarchy hasn't got anything to do with it. If, as you say, anarchy always gives way to government, and if a government to which anarchy has given way institutes a legislature, then any liberty extant under that government is surely doomed.

A minarchic society that burdens itself with a legislature (a group of people whose express and continuing purpose is to create new and more rules - i.e., to legislate) will not and cannot remain minarchic. Such a state does not fluctuate in "cycles" around liberty, but maintains a persistent trajectory away from it. It may move along that trajectory with more or less velocity at any given time, but it always moves away ...
Occasionally new laws will be needed and occasionally old laws will need to be altered.

But I do agree that having people whose only job is to pass laws is problematic.

I have proposed a system in which the person with the power to enact laws has a lot of other things to do to make their reputation and keep them busy, perhaps you would like to comment on it in the thread for it:

A new system of government (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536723-A-new-system-of-government)

[brushfire]

Occasionally new laws will be needed and occasionally old laws will need to be altered.

But I do agree that having people whose only job is to pass laws is problematic.

I have proposed a system in which the person with the power to enact laws has a lot of other things to do to make their reputation and keep them busy, perhaps you would like to comment on it in the thread for it:

A new system of government (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536723-A-new-system-of-government)




Why not start with a bill of rights, and a constitutional amendment process. Then make all other laws expire, requiring them to be re-passed, every 5 years. Kinda like they do with the debt ceiling. That way law makers will be constantly busy re-passing sh!t that has expired - sticking with the heart of what matters.

The accumulating mess of laws we have now is unsustainable from a liberty standpoint.

[Swordsmyth]

Why not start with a bill of rights, and a constitutional amendment process. Then make all other laws expire, requiring them to be re-passed, every 5 years. Kinda like they do with the debt ceiling. That way law makers will be constantly busy re-passing sh!t that has expired - sticking with the heart of what matters.

The accumulating mess of laws we have now is unsustainable from a liberty standpoint.
That's a very good idea.

[Occam's Banana]

Occasionally new laws will be needed and occasionally old laws will need to be altered.

Yes, certainly.


But I do agree that having people whose only job is to pass laws is problematic.

I have proposed a system in which the person with the power to enact laws has a lot of other things to do to make their reputation and keep them busy [...]

But the fundamental problem - or one of the fundamental problems - is that vesting the power to conjure ex nihilo additions, emendations or annulments to the law exclusively in the hands of one person or several is injurious to liberty and will eventually be fatal to it. Over the long term, it will serve only to "institutionalize" an excellent means of eroding such liberty as may yet exist, rather than safeguard liberty against such erosion.

Rather, such additions, emendations or annulments as may be salubrious should be allowed to evolve organically in the application of established customary "old and good" law (born from out of tradition and precedent), not in the ad hoc creation of arbitrary[1] statutory "new and unproven" law (born from out of nowhere, as it were).

[1] By "arbitrary" I mean "due to the predilections or desires of one or more particular persons" rather than "randomly, or seemingly without cause or reason." There are always causes and reasons (though often not good ones) for such laws, and they are never random ...


[...] perhaps you would like to comment on it in the thread for it:

A new system of government (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536723-A-new-system-of-government)

I will cross-post our comments from this thread to that one, as they may be less off-topic there (though I don't think they're too much off-topic here ...).

[kahless]

The question is why are Republicans in complete surrender mode to far left Democrats when the majority of the country does not support the far left or Demoncrats on gun control for that matter. WTF are they doing? The country is absurdly being led by a few ignorant junior senators and congressmen put in office by a very small minority. It makes no sense.

These Republicans and moderate Dems sound like they are in a bubble and are trying to represent themselves in a better light in far left DC social circles. They are totally out of touch with the rest of the country outside the inner cities. It is like old men behaving for acceptance like they are in high school as if it is some sort of bad 80s Sci-Fi movie.

We missed the mark between 2008-2014 to complete take over the Republican party and gut these scumbag piece of shit authoritarians and statists. The country has officially jumped the shark, it is over. Just dissolve the federal government already and allow the country to split up into regions to that support liberty and those that want their Socialism/Communism or fascism. Give it enough time the people in Socialist/Communists regions will be so dissatisfied they will be putting the media pundits that put them on the wrong path on pikes. Maybe then the country could unite after learning a hard lesson.

[Swordsmyth]

The question is why are Republicans in complete surrender mode to far left Democrats when the majority of the country does not support the far left or Demoncrats on gun control for that matter. WTF are they doing? The country is absurdly being led by a few ignorant junior senators and congressmen put in office by a very small minority. It makes no sense.

These Republicans and moderate Dems sound like they are in a bubble and are trying to represent themselves in a better light in far left DC social circles. They are totally out of touch with the rest of the country outside the inner cities. It is like old men behaving for acceptance like they are in high school as if it is some sort of bad 80s Sci-Fi movie.

We missed the mark between 2008-2014 to complete take over the Republican party and gut these scumbag piece of $#@! authoritarians and statists. The country has officially jumped the shark, it is over. Just dissolve the federal government already and allow the country to split up into regions to that support liberty and those that want their Socialism/Communism or fascism. Give it enough time the people in Socialist/Communists regions will be so dissatisfied they will be putting the media pundits that put them on the wrong path on pikes. Maybe then the country could unite after learning a hard lesson.
What I am being told is that the idea is to push the Demoncrats to demand ever crazier gun control and then end up doing nothing and then let it die.

I don't like it even if that happens but if nothing actually gets passed I won't freak out about it.

[Pauls' Revere]

No Turtle, you can fail to pass something. And there is no urgency.

This “do something, even if it doesn’t work or is unconstitutional” mentality has to go.

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[Brian4Liberty]

Lawmakers gonna make laws. It's what they do. That is, after all, the entire reason for their existence in the first place.

Legislatures and liberty cannot coexist. Inevitably, the latter will increasingly yield to the former.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had legislative leaders who repealed a whole bunch of laws in their secretive Omnibus bills instead of just filling them with handouts for their lobbyist donors?

[Matt Collins]

The question is why are Republicans in complete surrender mode to far left Democrats when the majority of the country does not support the far left or Demoncrats on gun control for that matter. WTF are they doing? Because most Republican elected officials support "reasonable" restrictions on the 2nd Amendment. And they are scared of the gun grabbing crowd voting them out of office so they bow down and institute "lite" gun control.

[shakey1]

McConnell... spineless mf’r.

[shakey1]

No Turtle, you can fail to pass something. And there is no urgency.

This “do something, even if it doesn’t work or is unconstitutional” mentality has to go.

^^^^^^^^^!