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kahless
08-09-2019, 12:17 PM
This pathetic spineless coward still does not get it that no matter what he does his quest to be liked by his enemies and the news media will never be satisfied by them.

He does not deserve the support of his base. He deserves to lose and at this point I do not give a damn if the Democrats impeach him through whatever ridiculous false accusations they make up. If the Dems win, let them destroy the country and just let it break up already.

This rather than cuckold Republicans caving on everything to satisfy the enemy and the entire country stuck under a police state.

Trump full steam ahead on more background checks
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-full-steam-ahead-on-more-background-checks

Anti Federalist
08-09-2019, 12:41 PM
Yup.

Would have been better off with Hillary.

jkr
08-09-2019, 01:15 PM
Yup


A lifelong liberal Democrat dresses up like a Republican and we expected something else not I not Ron Paul none of us but he tried... Maybe

Or maybe it's bone spurs got in the way

Anti Globalist
08-09-2019, 01:18 PM
This honestly doesn't surprise me. The mans been a Democrat for most of his life.

Anti Federalist
08-09-2019, 01:19 PM
This hurts even more as a damn good NH gov. just stuck his neck out to veto a "Red Flag" law last Friday.

Superfluous Man
08-09-2019, 01:20 PM
He didn't cave to his enemies. He caved to his own long held views.

dannno
08-09-2019, 01:23 PM
Coward Trump just caved to his enemies on guns

No he didn't.

Senate doesn't come back from recess until mid-way through September. By then half of them will probably be under investigation.

Superfluous Man
08-09-2019, 01:23 PM
By then half of them will probably be under investigation.

Riiiiiiiiight.

CCTelander
08-09-2019, 01:24 PM
Yup.

Would have been better off with Hillary.


At least there would have been united resistence to anything she had tried and she wouldn't have provided cover for Republican pols to do what they really wanted to do deep in their shrivelled black hearts but felt constrained from doing by fear of the consequences, namely disarm even more of us.

Sammy
08-09-2019, 01:27 PM
I'm sometimes really angry at Trump.:mad::mad::mad:
He want's to get praise from the MSM that's a fundamental mistake.
No matter what he does the left will attack him.

timosman
08-09-2019, 01:29 PM
By then half of them will probably be under investigation.

You don't really believe that, do you? :tears:

otherone
08-09-2019, 01:31 PM
All of you purist libertarians don't understand 3D chess.

Origanalist
08-09-2019, 01:48 PM
If people aren't marching in the streets they're going to ram this down our throats and officer friendly will be more than happy to enforce it.

https://cdn.minds.com/fs/v1/thumbnail/1006377951031877632/xlarge

UWDude
08-09-2019, 02:31 PM
so, a law was passed or something?

UWDude
08-09-2019, 02:32 PM
maybe an executive order?

UWDude
08-09-2019, 02:32 PM
anything?

UWDude
08-09-2019, 02:36 PM
Was it a law that bans registered democrats from having guns? I'm all for that. makes the civil war even quicker... ...or as the military says, the law will save lives.

Swordsmyth
08-09-2019, 02:40 PM
so, a law was passed or something?


maybe an executive order?


anything?
Words lead to actions.
What Trump is doing is very dangerous even if he intends to not actually do anything.

Have you done anything to make sure nothing happens?

UWDude
08-09-2019, 02:53 PM
Words lead to actions.

You mean like OP claiming something has happened when it hasn't?


Like "fire and fury?"


Hillary would have been better is laughable bs.

This whole thread is b.s.

dannno
08-09-2019, 02:55 PM
https://i.imgur.com/0KNNwQZ.jpg

Swordsmyth
08-09-2019, 02:58 PM
You mean like OP claiming something has happened when it hasn't?
I'm not saying that, I'm saying we had pro-gun momentum before the bumpstock ban and this is moving the momentum the wrong direction.



Like "fire and fury?"
There are bills in Congress and Trump is encouraging action on them and so is McConnell.




Hillary would have been better is laughable bs.
I don't think she would have been............................................YE T.


This whole thread is b.s.
This thread may be a little premature but it isn't entirely wrong.

Trump needs to quit feeding the enemy.

3d chess is real but you never sacrifice your king, guns are the king, if we lose them it's game over.





https://i.imgur.com/0KNNwQZ.jpg

See above.

Brian4Liberty
08-09-2019, 03:24 PM
Cross posting this...


Red flag laws defy logic. Similar to other prohibited persons.

The theory here is that an individual is so dangerous to society, that they must be prevented from legally purchasing weapons. What is wrong with that?

- First of all, if a person is truly that dangerous, why are they out walking the streets at all? Illogical.
- People and criminals will always be able to get weapons, thus this will not work,
- A person that is too dangerous could kill people by other means. Guns are simply tools, and their are plenty of tools in the toolbox. Thus, this will not work.
- Falling through the cracks. This already happens. Prohibited people have bought weapons and committed crimes because the system is by no means perfect.
- Abuse. Like SWATing, this system can and will be abused. Somebody has a grudge? They can report you. Angry ex? They can report you. And like SWATing, people will die when being raided in the pre-dawn hours. It has already happened.
- Due process. This system destroys due process. It is unconstitutional.
- Second Amendment is violated. Unconstitutional.
- And finally, how much will this illogical and futile system cost? Probably quite a bit.

UWDude
08-09-2019, 03:25 PM
Trump the neocon has wargasm, starts bombing Iran.

spudea
08-09-2019, 03:53 PM
He literally said the same things after the parkland shooting. So how is this "caving to his enemies". Some over emotional babies in this thread.

Swordsmyth
08-09-2019, 03:57 PM
He literally said the same things after the parkland shooting. So how is this "caving to his enemies". Some over emotional babies in this thread.
He shouldn't have said it then either.

enhanced_deficit
08-10-2019, 08:46 AM
Yup.

Would have been better off with Hillary.


Hillary could have been even more polarizing than MAGA on issues like LGBT equality (she opposed Gay marriage earlier) and race :

https://i.somethingawful.com/u/elpintogrande/2016/quote_hillary.jpg





Trump supported Gay marriage and is more social liberal than Hillary.

invisible
08-10-2019, 08:52 AM
And the suckers will still double down on their TDS (trumpette delusional syndrome) and vote for him again.

Anti Federalist
08-10-2019, 11:46 AM
At least there would have been united resistence to anything she had tried and she wouldn't have provided cover for Republican pols to do what they really wanted to do deep in their shrivelled black hearts but felt constrained from doing by fear of the consequences, namely disarm even more of us.

That's my point exactly.

"Our" side would have had the energy, we would have been "The Resistance".

nikcers
08-10-2019, 12:36 PM
That's my point exactly.

"Our" side would have had the energy, we would have been "The Resistance".

This is what happens when we let the mainstream mafia control the narrative. Legalized propaghanda was given a green light during the Obama administration. They even got caught with the fake ISIS videos. Even if we take this shooting at face value, the left gets to control the narrative anyways. The El Paso shooter if we take it at face value claimed that he did it because the border was insecure, well thats the governments fault for not bulding a wall and securing the border, not guns. The El Paso shooter said that it was an invasion, per your sig Ron Paul said immigration might be like an invasion. Is this Ron Pauls fault? I even think all of this Epstein shit is a distraction from this fact that the whole reason why they are going to censor the internet and restrict gun ownership is directly related to the border not being secure. They probably even gaslighted this kid into doing this shit, the same people that are supposed to protect us from terrorist attacks always have really big distractions to distract you from the fact that they either instigated the terrorist attack or didn't stop it because they were incompetent. I thought Trump was going to be better, I really did, under Obama with the whole movement against climate change I started eating so much meat because I thought that would be the thing that they would take away from us, kind of like the people who buy guns when they push the gun bans. I thought Trump was going to get rid of the fake news that Obama greenlighted with the propaghanda laws because he ran on a platform against fake news. Apparently Trump can't get anything done if the Mainstream Mafia control the narrative.

jmdrake
08-10-2019, 02:48 PM
This pathetic spineless coward still does not get it that no matter what he does his quest to be liked by his enemies and the news media will never be satisfied by them.

He does not deserve the support of his base. He deserves to lose and at this point I do not give a damn if the Democrats impeach him through whatever ridiculous false accusations they make up. If the Dems win, let them destroy the country and just let it break up already.

This rather than cuckold Republicans caving on everything to satisfy the enemy and the entire country stuck under a police state.

Trump full steam ahead on more background checks
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-full-steam-ahead-on-more-background-checks

You ain't seen nothing yet.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-president-trump-has-said-about-gun-control-in-the-past/
In his 2000 book "The America We Deserve," the president said he supports a ban on assault weapons.

"I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun," Mr. Trump wrote at the time.

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban enacted in 1994 expired in 2004 prohibited the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms. Fully automatic weapons that reload and fire continuously with the single pull of the trigger have long been banned for civilian use.

Often, people refer to semi-automatic firearms, particularly semi-automatic rifles, when they mention "assault weapons." In his 2015 interview with AmmoLand, Mr. Trump said the AR-15 doesn't qualify as an "assault rifle."

Anti Federalist
08-10-2019, 03:08 PM
He literally said the same things after the parkland shooting.

Yeah and it got us "Red Flag" laws, that violate the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th Amendments.

He said the same thing after Las Vegas too, and that got us a very dangerous, precedent setting, ban by Executive fiat.


So how is this "caving to his enemies". Some over emotional babies in this thread.

You never give the enemy an inch.

"There was a mass shooting. Horrible tragedy. I firmly believe that more guns equal less crime. Therefore I intend to instruct Congress to pass <insert pro liberty bill here> without delay. "

nikcers
08-10-2019, 03:19 PM
Yeah and it got us "Red Flag" laws, that violate the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th Amendments.

He said the same thing after Las Vegas too, and that got us a very dangerous, precedent setting, ban by Executive fiat.



You never give the enemy an inch.

"There was a mass shooting. Horrible tragedy. I firmly believe that more guns equal less crime. Therefore I intend to instruct Congress to pass <insert pro liberty bill here> without delay. "

I'm all for torches and pitchforks if Trump does this, because if he does this he will go down in history for being the one who killed America I don't think he will. I think its more likely this is more art of the deal. He will offer it in a deal that is unacceptable to the left and then blame the left for not doing the deal and doing what their constiuents want basically poison pill.

Anti Federalist
08-10-2019, 03:27 PM
I'm all for torches and pitchforks if Trump does this, because if he does this he will go down in history for being the one who killed America I don't think he will. I think its more likely this is more art of the deal. He will offer it in a deal that is unacceptable to the left and then blame the left for not doing the deal and doing what their constiuents want basically poison pill.

That is a dangerous fucking game to play with the people's essential liberty as ante'.

Origanalist
08-10-2019, 03:35 PM
https://cdn.minds.com/fs/v1/thumbnail/1006313045930729472

nikcers
08-10-2019, 03:37 PM
That is a dangerous $#@!ing game to play with the people's essential liberty as ante'.

This is generational warfare, this isn't a game.

CCTelander
08-10-2019, 03:41 PM
That is a dangerous fucking game to play with the people's essential liberty as ante'.


Not to mention the fact that waiting until the infringement is a fait accompli is way, WAY too late. The time for torches and pitchforks is long before they manage to pass anything, as the last sylable of the very suggestion leaves their lips, when you MAY have some slim hope of actually affecting the outcome. The best defense is a swift and aggressive offense.

jmdrake
08-10-2019, 03:42 PM
That is a dangerous $#@!ing game to play with the people's essential liberty as ante'.

The problem is one can't be sure which side Trump is on.

nikcers
08-10-2019, 03:44 PM
The problem is one can't be sure which side Trump is on.

Trump is on Trumps side, which means he will be on the side of the poeple with guns, but that could change if they take the guns and only the mainstream mafia gets to have them.

Occam's Banana
08-10-2019, 03:57 PM
"I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun," Mr. Trump wrote at the time.

"Nothing someone says before the word 'but' really counts ..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeAeL0K86DI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeAeL0K86DI

nikcers
08-10-2019, 04:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeAeL0K86DI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeAeL0K86DI

Just like nothing someone says before they get elected really counts, only actions count. Dude was trying to become president no matter what, he even said he would run third party at one time, after that he was going to run for the democrat party, when he figured out that was rigged he ran for the Republican party.

nikcers
08-10-2019, 04:02 PM
They can only take the guns if people consent to it, even if Trump said he was going to do an assault weapons ban and gun registry if enough republicans said no and said they would primary him he wouldn't be able to do anything, unless he just doesn't want to be president anymore.

Anti Federalist
08-10-2019, 04:57 PM
The problem is one can't be sure which side Trump is on.

Exactly, trying to pin this man down to anything is like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall.

nikcers
08-10-2019, 05:06 PM
Exactly, trying to pin this man down to anything is like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall.

Trump is not a policy wonk, but that was his winning strategy so I don't blame him. The fact that he goes golfing and listens to Rand Paul is enough for me that he atleast understands a good idea when hears one.

Swordsmyth
08-10-2019, 05:10 PM
I'm all for torches and pitchforks if Trump does this, because if he does this he will go down in history for being the one who killed America I don't think he will. I think its more likely this is more art of the deal. He will offer it in a deal that is unacceptable to the left and then blame the left for not doing the deal and doing what their constiuents want basically poison pill.


That is a dangerous $#@!ing game to play with the people's essential liberty as ante'.

And it hurts the overton window.
It also encourages more crazy leftists or deepstaters to do more shootings.

Swordsmyth
08-10-2019, 05:12 PM
https://twitter.com/SayWhenLA/status/1160022554502938627

1160022554502938627

enhanced_deficit
09-16-2019, 11:06 PM
Words lead to actions.


^^^ this.

Swordsmyth
09-16-2019, 11:17 PM
Prospects for a bipartisan deal on gun control legislation have dimmed significantly as President Trump (https://thehill.com/people/donald-trump) and Democratic leaders appear to be far apart on the key issue of expanding background checks.
Republicans expect Trump to put forward a proposal addressing gun violence later this week, but Democrats predict it is likely to fall far short of what is needed and that they may not vote for it.


Sen. Chris Murphy (https://thehill.com/people/christopher-murphy) (D-Conn.), a key negotiator who has had discussions with Trump on gun control, told reporters that the president needed to give them an affirmative sign by the end of last week in order to keep momentum from dying in Congress.
“My worry is that the forces inside the White House that are representing the gun lobby may be prevailing,” Murphy told reporters Monday. “I think that’s a shame.”
“They told us we would hear back by Thursday and we didn’t hear anything on Thursday or Friday or Saturday or Sunday,” he added. “Silence is probably indicative that they’re not willing to move.”
Manchin also sounded a pessimistic note.
“I haven’t heard back from their staff,” said Manchin, who panned the idea of creating a new smartphone app to conduct background checks.


Conservatives are already warning the White House and GOP leaders of a backlash from gun rights advocates if Trump endorses a proposal to expand background checks to all online and gun show sales, as envisioned by the Manchin-Toomey bill.
“If Republicans abandon the Second Amendment and demoralize millions of Americans who care deeply about Second Amendment rights, that could go a long way to electing a President Elizabeth Warren (https://thehill.com/people/elizabeth-warren),” Sen. Ted Cruz (https://thehill.com/people/ted-cruz) (R-Texas) warned last week, referring to the liberal Massachusetts senator, who is running for president.
A senior Republican aide on Monday expressed skepticism that Trump will endorse legislation that would significantly expand background checks, such as the Manchin-Toomey bill or the universal background check measure passed by the House in February.

More at: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/461656-prospects-for-trump-gun-deal-grow-dimmer...

enhanced_deficit
09-26-2019, 01:20 PM
September 19
Trump questioned on whether he'll stand up to NRA, vows gun reform will not hurt Second Amendment



As Democrats continue to call on President Trump to put forward sweeping gun control legislation, the commander in chief said his administration will do nothing to hurt the Second Amendment, during an exclusive interview Thursday with Fox News' Ed Henry at the southern border.

Henry asked Trump if he would "stand up" to the National Rifle Association (NRA) and the president said he would, so long as constitutional gun rights are not infringed upon.
"I am [going to stand up to the NRA] if it's not going to hurt a good, solid great American citizen from keeping his weapon because they want that," he said.
"And they are entitled to that. We have a Second Amendment," Trump continued. "I don't want to have crazy people have guns. I don't want to have bad people have guns. But, we're going to do nothing to hurt the Second Amendment. And what we want to do is see if we can come up with a compromise, and that's what we're working on."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-second-amendment-nra-guns