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enhanced_deficit
08-08-2019, 11:29 AM
Could fakenews media be any more wrong ?





President Trump’s ideological sons

By Renée Graham Globe Columnist, Updated August 7, 2019

https://www.bostonglobe.com/resizer/F8yA9CYBBrc1cDXdJ9TLrPMzVCk=/960x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bostonglobe.s3.amazonaws.com/public/SLGBQ5FYQQI6TF7TBAX345ESSI.jpgJames Fields Jr., Robert Bowers, Patrick Crusius, and Cesar Sayoc.(File photos)


https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2019/08/07/president-trump-ideological-sons/qqlc8NYXdTBdnE6ytdyI3N/story.html





Just looking at views of two of so called 'ideological sons':


Robert Bowers:

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/750x445/1037475.jpg


(https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi7t--n5PPjAhUkpFkKHfX2AV0QjB16BAgBEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld %2F1037475%2Fpittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-latest-suspect-donald-trump-robert-bowers&psig=AOvVaw2CZxV2HNeOc1-seA3nbTi3&ust=1565369376501780)Pittsburgh synagogue shooting: 'I DIDN'T vote for Trump', insists Pittsburgh suspect Robert Bowers

A social media profile of Robert Bowers, 46, has shed light on the killer’s hate-fuelled mentality.
Mr Bowers was reported to be a regular poster on Gab, an alternative Twitter platform popular among white supremacists, white nationalists, alt-right group supporters and people who are banned from using traditional social media platforms.
Before his account was closed down, Mr Bowers was said to have denounced US president Donald Trump labelling him a “globalist, not a nationalist”, The Sunday Times reported.
He wrote: “For the record, I did not vote for nor have I owned, worn or even touched a maga [Make America Great Again] hat.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1037475/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-latest-suspect-donald-trump-robert-bowers



Anti-Trump antisemitism: The link between Pittsburgh and Poway (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?535475)

The Poway and Pittsburgh shootings are connected by hatred of Jews and hatred of Trump, who is accused of being a “Jew-lover” and hosting an administration “infested” by Jews

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/repost.png?w=503&h=531
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/robertbowers4.png?w=699&h=531







Patrick Crusius :

El Paso Shooter Patrick Crusius Admonished ‘Race Mixing’ In Manifesto
BY Chris Walker August 3, 2019
A shooter who killed at least 19 individuals and injured dozens more in a Walmart near the Cielo Vista Mall in El Paso, Texas, on Saturday reportedly left a manifesto behind in which he ascribed to white nationalist viewpoints.
The shooter was identified as Patrick Crusius, 21, of Dallas Texas. Within his manifesto, portions of which are discussed in reporting from NewsOne, Crusius spoke of his opposition to “race mixing,” as well as his support of genocide as a means to reach his ends.
https://hillreporter.com/el-paso-sho...al-media-42455 (https://hillreporter.com/el-paso-shooter-admonished-race-mixing-in-manifesto-spoke-highly-of-trump-in-social-media-42455)


Trump: I don't have a racist bone in my body; Fakenews media ignores his pro race-mixing record (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536842-Trump-I-don-t-have-a-racist-bone-in-my-body-Fakenews-media-ignores-liberal-race-mixer-record&)

Trump administration warned Sweden of 'negative consequences' if Somali-American rapper A$AP Rocky wasn't released (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537593-BREAKING-El-Paso-TX-Mass-Shooting-at-Wal-Mart&p=6838289&viewfull=1#post6838289)







Related

Trump Deputy AG Rosenstein on recent mass shootings: “white terrorism” is more precise (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537617-Trump-Deputy-AG-Rosenstein-on-recent-mass-shootings-“white-terrorism”-is-more-precise&)

Trump appointed FBI Director Wray says most domestic terrorism arrests this year involve white supremacy
07/23/19

White Nationalist leader who once supported Trump now says he's playing a 'con game' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-I55mlrJQg&feature=youtu.be&t=78)

David Duke supported Trump in 2016 and now supports Ilhan Omar (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?532391-David-Duke-supported-Trump-in-2016-and-now-supports-Ilhan-Omar&)

Coulter on Trump : "Joke presidency who scammed the American people"

Tea Party leader calls Trump a 'traitor' (https://realgopillinois.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/RhxGpE6-300x300.png)

UWDude
08-08-2019, 11:33 AM
if you observe closely what enhanced_deficit highlights as newsworthy, you will start to see he is actually a true white supremecist.

This can be best observed about him slyly time and time again warning Trump is not against mscegenation.

observe his posts from this point of view, and they all start to make sense.

Remember, real neo-nazis hate Trump.

enhanced_deficit
08-08-2019, 11:38 AM
UWDude seems confused on some issues but have to commend his bold pro-MAGA America-First stance against racism:


He would not have pardoned Alice Johnson and Jack Johnson or had Kanye over to the white house if he was white nationalist. Same with his recent A$AP tweets.

Trump administration warned Sweden of 'negative consequences' if Somali-American rapper A$AP Rocky wasn't released (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537593-BREAKING-El-Paso-TX-Mass-Shooting-at-Wal-Mart&p=6838289&viewfull=1#post6838289)

UWDude
08-08-2019, 11:52 AM
UWDude seems confused on some issues but have to commend his bold pro-MAGA America-First stance against racism:



Trump administration warned Sweden of 'negative consequences' if Somali-American rapper A$AP Rocky wasn't released (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537593-BREAKING-El-Paso-TX-Mass-Shooting-at-Wal-Mart&p=6838289&viewfull=1#post6838289)

see what I mean?

He has adapted, using tongue in cheek rhetoric to do whatever he can to point out Trump is actually not a racist, or even anti-immigrant. His posts are constant, tongue -in-cheek warnings to other white supremecists.

This tactic he uses was born of necessity, because overt white supremecy is not allowed on most boards. So he evolved memetically, as evolution is born of necessity. It would be admirable, except the guy is a link spam machine, with constant "related" links that actually have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Just read everything he posts through this lens, and you will start to see what I am saying is spot on.

Anti Federalist
08-08-2019, 11:56 AM
So, then, it's safe to assume this guy is Bernie Sanders' "ideological son"?

https://i.imgur.com/nnis5o5.jpg

enhanced_deficit
08-08-2019, 12:04 PM
So, then, it's safe to assume this guy is Bernie Sanders' "ideological son"?

https://i.imgur.com/nnis5o5.jpg



Unfortunately this narrative is not supported by current version of MSM Politics 3.0.
Please stay tuned for future releases.






Related

MSM Politics 2.0

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/90/901956ec83cb3d89be65999882b32812c9762a8d439177bbe2 99fb356ed631e3.jpg

enhanced_deficit
08-08-2019, 02:22 PM
Remember, real neo-nazis hate Trump.


Well said.
Related info above made same point (plus pre to post-election shifts in views):




Anti-Trump antisemitism: The link between Pittsburgh and Poway (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?535475)
The Poway and Pittsburgh shootings are connected by hatred of Jews and hatred of Trump, who is accused of being a “Jew-lover” and hosting an administration “infested” by Jews


White Nationalist leader who once supported Trump now says he's playing a 'con game' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-I55mlrJQg&feature=youtu.be&t=78)

David Duke supported Trump in 2016 and now supports Ilhan Omar (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?532391-David-Duke-supported-Trump-in-2016-and-now-supports-Ilhan-Omar&)


You're just more concise but have been making the exact same points on Trump not being a WN ( citing Kanye invite to WH, Johnson pardon, A$AP Rocky tweets etc.).


He would not have pardoned Alice Johnson and Jack Johnson or had Kanye over to the white house if he was white nationalist. Same with his recent A$AP tweets.



Media's 'Trump is racist' fakenews chorus repeatedly errs on the side of repetition. Above posts err on the side of extra related detail for context and some repetition also in addressing new media articles with same repetitive fake narratives.

r3volution 3.0
08-08-2019, 05:11 PM
That hardcore neo-NAZIs hate Trump because he isn't nationalist enough doesn't change the fact that Trump's encouraged nationalism.

Likewise, hardcore communists probably hate Bernie for being a "sellout": doesn't mean Bernie isn't pushing people in that direction.

UWDude
08-08-2019, 06:09 PM
That hardcore neo-NAZIs hate Trump because he isn't nationalist enough doesn't change the fact that Trump's encouraged nationalism.

Likewise, hardcore communists probably hate Bernie for being a "sellout": doesn't mean Bernie isn't pushing people in that direction.


neo-nazis hate Trump because he is not racist enough, not because he is not nationalist enough.

r3volution 3.0
08-08-2019, 06:34 PM
neo-nazis hate Trump because he is not racist enough, not because he is not nationalist enough.

There's no such distinction; nationalism is always racial to some extent.

The neo-NAZIs surely appreciate his rhetoric towards Hispanics and Muslims.

They'd just like to see it become more radical, and be directed toward additional groups (esp Jews, I would think).

UWDude
08-08-2019, 06:48 PM
There's no such distinction; nationalism is always racial to some extent.



" to some extent"

nice out you leave yourself. Hoping I might dance with you for one of your semantic run-arounds, like you entangle ol swordsmyth with over and over again.

Sorry, not playing. Maybe swordsmith has the time to correct your stupidity.

r3volution 3.0
08-08-2019, 06:58 PM
" to some extent"

nice out you leave yourself.

An "out" ...?

I'm simply stating the fact that the extent to which nationalist movements are motivated by racism varies.


Hoping I might dance with you for one of your semantic run-arounds, like you entangle ol swordsmyth with over and over again.

Sorry, not playing. Maybe swordsmith has the time to correct your stupidity.

Oh

Swordsmyth
08-08-2019, 08:27 PM
see what I mean?

He has adapted, using tongue in cheek rhetoric to do whatever he can to point out Trump is actually not a racist, or even anti-immigrant. His posts are constant, tongue -in-cheek warnings to other white supremecists.

This tactic he uses was born of necessity, because overt white supremecy is not allowed on most boards. So he evolved memetically, as evolution is born of necessity. It would be admirable, except the guy is a link spam machine, with constant "related" links that actually have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Just read everything he posts through this lens, and you will start to see what I am saying is spot on.
And he is allowed to push his trash here by the mods.

Swordsmyth
08-08-2019, 08:29 PM
There's no such distinction; nationalism is always racial to some extent.
WRONG, nationalism is always CULTURAL.


The neo-NAZIs surely appreciate his rhetoric towards Hispanics and Muslims.
He doesn't have "rhetoric towards Hispanics and Muslims".

r3volution 3.0
08-08-2019, 08:38 PM
WRONG, nationalism is always CULTURAL.

LOL

If you want to claim that your own nationalism is purely cultural, fine (I'll take your word for it, you never talk about race).

If you want to claim that modern American nationalism is purely cultural, ok (that's wrong, but the racial element isn't all that prominent).

But to claim that no nationalism is ever racial...?

...O, wait, lemme guess, you've redefined nationalism in such a way that actual NAZIs don't count?


He doesn't have "rhetoric towards Hispanics and Muslims".

Sure thing

enhanced_deficit
08-08-2019, 08:39 PM
That hardcore neo-NAZIs hate Trump because he isn't nationalist enough doesn't change the fact that Trump's encouraged nationalism.

Likewise, hardcore communists probably hate Bernie for being a "sellout": doesn't mean Bernie isn't pushing people in that direction.

Granted critics are right in that MAGA used race card to win election and energized Far Right/Deep Right before 2016 (many of them feel betrayed now and there is a shift taking place as they have been moving away from pro-MAGA camp). But media calling POTUS a 'racist' or 'white nationalist' was fakenews, UWdude's logical post (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537709-CA-U-of-C-prof-ALL-Trump-supporters-are-racist-white-supremacists-and-must-be-eradicated&p=6839776&viewfull=1#post6839776) citing multiple examples also proves the same.



From Promises and Statements (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?521272-How-much-trust-do-you-put-in-current-President-s-promises-and-statements/page3&) thread:


Pre-election:

https://pics.me.me/tweet-donald-j-trump-areal-donald-trump-sadly-because-president-11673595.png


Post-election:

10-26-2018
Trump says very soon there will be a Black President
While talking to black leaders earlier today, he said very soon one of you will be a President.. or three, four of you will be where I a




Pre-election:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/trump-birther-tweet.jpg

Post-election:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjHPDzUOe2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjHPDzUOe2U

Swordsmyth
08-08-2019, 08:46 PM
LOL

If you want to claim that your own nationalism is purely cultural, fine (I'll take your word for it, you never talk about race).

If you want to claim that modern American nationalism is purely cultural, ok (that's wrong, but the racial element isn't all that prominent).
American nationalism isn't racial, there may be individuals who include some racial element but the the national culture doesn't.


But to claim that no nationalism is ever racial...?

...O, wait, lemme guess, you've redefined nationalism in such a way that actual NAZIs don't count?
I didn't claim that, I said the universal constant of nationalism is culture and not race, you will find nationalism that is racial and nationalism that isn't but you will never find nationalism that isn't cultural.




Sure thing
He has never said that those two groups are universally bad, he has only talked about sub-groups like illegals or terrorists.
He should say something about muslims because their religion is bad culture.

r3volution 3.0
08-08-2019, 09:33 PM
American nationalism isn't racial, there may be individuals who include some racial element but the the national culture doesn't.

If you mean that the racial element in American nationalism isn't very prominent, I agree; I said the same thing a few minutes ago. But it's there. The origin of the alt-right, for instance, is in the "ethno-nationalist" wing of neoreaction. Note the "ethno" part. You're aware of the HBD movement? Now, these people aren't on FOX, but they're not a tiny niche either. The growth of nationalism in recent years here and in Europe has gone hand in hand with the growth of this racial ideology.


I didn't claim that, I said the universal constant of nationalism is culture and not race, you will find nationalism that is racial and nationalism that isn't but you will never find nationalism that isn't cultural.

I'd imagine that's true.


He has never said that those two groups are universally bad, he has only talked about sub-groups like illegals or terrorists.

You're making distinctions which your average Trump fan doesn't.

If you haven't noticed the uptick in general "Messicuns r bad" sentiment, you may need to get out more.

Swordsmyth
08-08-2019, 09:36 PM
If you mean that the racial element in American nationalism isn't very prominent, I agree; I said the same thing a few minutes ago. But it's there. The origin of the alt-right, for instance, is in the "ethno-nationalist" wing of neoreaction. Note the "ethno" part. You're aware of the HBD movement? Now, these people aren't on FOX, but they're not a tiny niche either. The growth of nationalism in recent years here and in Europe has gone hand in hand with the growth of this racial ideology.
The fact that some people want to create a nationalism that includes a racial element doesn't mean that the current nationalism contains one.




You're making distinctions which your average Trump fan doesn't.

If you haven't noticed the uptick in general "Messicuns r bad" sentiment, you may need to get out more.
The question is what he said not what you think other people think.

r3volution 3.0
08-08-2019, 09:54 PM
The fact that some people want to create a nationalism that includes a racial element doesn't mean that the current nationalism contains one.

Well, the people I'm taking about:

(a) are nationalists,

and, (b) currently exist.

So...


The question is what he said not what you think other people think.

I've said many times that I don't think Trump is a racist, nor does it matter if he is.

The only interesting question here, to my mind, is how this is affecting politics.

Swordsmyth
08-08-2019, 10:08 PM
Well, the people I'm taking about:

(a) are nationalists,

and, (b) currently exist.

So...
So their nationalism is not the standard American nationalism.




I've said many times that I don't think Trump is a racist, nor does it matter if he is.

The only interesting question here, to my mind, is how this is affecting politics.
That's ridiculous, you can't blame someone who tells the truth for what some other person does or say that the truth should not be told because of it.

UWDude
08-08-2019, 10:15 PM
Aww, see, Revolution? Who would play your stupid games if Swordsmyth wasn't here?

UWDude
08-08-2019, 10:16 PM
And he is allowed to push his trash here by the mods.

It's just ideas and words. I think the mods realized their moderating almost killed the forums.

r3volution 3.0
08-08-2019, 10:17 PM
So their nationalism is not the standard American nationalism.

I'm not going to argue semantics.

Suffice it to say, racial nationalism exists here and in Europe, and it's not nearly as fringe as it once was.


That's ridiculous, you can't blame someone who tells the truth for what some other person does or say that the truth should not be told because of it.

Scapegoating foreigners for problems with domestic causes isn't telling the truth, and it does encourage racism.

Swordsmyth
08-08-2019, 10:28 PM
It's just ideas and words. I think the mods realized their moderating almost killed the forums.

They ban plenty of other people for ideas and words.

Swordsmyth
08-08-2019, 10:30 PM
I'm not going to argue semantics.

Suffice it to say, racial nationalism exists here and in Europe, and it's not nearly as fringe as it once was.

Which is why multiculturalism must be stopped and cultural nationalism must be implemented, if that doesn't happen you will see ever more racial nationalism.



Scapegoating foreigners for problems with domestic causes isn't telling the truth, and it does encourage racism.
A problem can have multiple sources and foreigners are often one of them.

Swordsmyth
08-08-2019, 10:33 PM
Aww, see, Revolution? Who would play your stupid games if Swordsmyth wasn't here?
I only debate him because some people would be convinced by his sophistry if nobody rebutted it.

r3volution 3.0
08-08-2019, 10:33 PM
Which is why multiculturalism must be stopped and cultural nationalism must be implemented, if that doesn't happen you will see ever more racial nationalism.

It makes no difference to me whether it's racial or cultural.

The problem is bad policy, whether motivated by race, culture, or the flying spaghetti monster.

Swordsmyth
08-08-2019, 10:36 PM
It makes no difference to me whether it's racial or cultural.

The problem is bad policy, whether motivated by race, culture, or the flying spaghetti monster.
It's not bad policy.